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Dinosaurs Probably Didn't Have Six-Packs
Technology's double-edged sword slices through our daily lives, connecting us while simultaneously isolating us from authentic human experience. In this captivating episode, Tyler and Will dive headfirst into the digital age's profound impact on how we process information, interact with each other, and view the world around us.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when they explore the strange phenomena occurring in the Blue Ridge Mountains – mysterious aircraft without sound, military presence in remote locations, and unexplained activities that suggest something beyond ordinary operations. What secrets hide in these ancient mountains, and why do government officials know this small town by name?
From there, the hosts tackle our collective obsession with space exploration while Earth's oceans remain largely unexplored. "We don't know what's out there," Will notes, "but what bothers me most is we don't know what's here." This observation about the ocean being only 30% discovered raises profound questions about human curiosity and why we're drawn to distant mysteries rather than those in our own backyard.
The episode also examines how technology has desensitized us to tragedy, transformed our perception of global events, and created information overload that affects our mental health. Remember when Columbine shocked the nation? Today, similar events barely register emotionally because we've become numb to the constant barrage of troubling news.
Whether discussing the unexpected challenges of men's league baseball, the absurdity of political division, or the questionable existence of dinosaurs, Tyler and Will deliver thought-provoking perspectives that challenge conventional thinking. Join the conversation by reaching out on social media or email with your own thoughts and topic suggestions for future episodes.
Welcome back to the non-means podcast here this week for the first time. Tyler and will Dave is not here this week, not feeling the greatest greatest, so we said the show must go on. So luckily, you know, Will's been kind of an addition that we've had and this is his first time having to pull a little bit of weight, actually being super present and not just kind of talking once in the background. So I don't know if you're ready for that or how excited you are, but it should be fun.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm very excited because this show has been carried on my shoulders every time I've been on it.
Speaker 1:God, you sound like your mom I mean the emails that I've gotten this week from your mom have been nuts like I'm going. I've had this email since, like high school.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have to get rid of it well, I mean, the lindsays are tough, tough people, and so we pull a lot of weight in this role.
Speaker 1:Tough is a. That's a very light word for the, the colorful language. I've received this week Like restraining orders are coming. Just let her know like she's going to have to be a little nicer.
Speaker 2:She loves her voice To a fault. Yeah, and there's not much to love with you but but real quick.
Speaker 1:I just want to remind everybody Not Amused Podcast, as always sponsored by 4U Golf in Brevard, north Carolina. I'm going to say it every time. There's just so much fun, cool stuff happening out here. It's such a cool place to hang out Once again here hanging out recording the podcast, as always, because it's just such a fun place to hang out and be. 700 Old Hinchville Highway. Please come see us If you haven't or you're not close by, check us out online 4UGolf828. That's F-O-R-E, the letter U, g-o-l-f, 828.com. Now it's been a hectic week. We have all been like extremely exhausted. Supposed to record last night and I call Will. I'm like, hey, man, you ready. And he's like dude, I just woke up Like I'm out. I was like all right, see you tomorrow. I'm like, well, we'll just reschedule, no big deal. So you awake, you like you with me tonight.
Speaker 1:You good, yeah, I think you with me tonight you good, yeah, I think Okay, gotcha, gotcha this past week.
Speaker 2:We don't give enough attention to transition periods, I feel like, in our lives. Who has time for that? I know. And so this weekend, baseball season finally coming to an end on Friday night this weekend, it felt like all of that emotion and stress that built up over the year, just completely like those few months of just exhaustion. Yeah, it just finally all came out at once. I got you. Yeah, I slept a lot this weekend. I would have been a bad addition to the podcast yesterday. I probably wouldn't have slept. I probably would have been asleep, hang on.
Speaker 1:But that implies that you're a good addition.
Speaker 2:On other times. I feel like that is not just, I guess, public opinion that I am everyone's opinion is that you just suck.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's kind of the only thing I've heard, so but yet other than your mom. Nobody has been like. Oh, I love, I love wheels on.
Speaker 2:David wanted me to be a permanent.
Speaker 1:He's sick he's on a lot of medication.
Speaker 2:Like he, it could be just so me agreeing with him about nascar two weeks ago went a long ways. It really did go a long way.
Speaker 1:It's like in the moment it took you 20 minutes of nascar talk and yeah, and it was like man man he's, he's just great, we gotta have him exactly so, no, we're super excited to have you.
Speaker 1:I'm glad that you've kind of jumped in and are really just willing to go with the craziness that comes with it, because it's kind of all over the place and scheduling to record and all the mess, like it's tough. But I'm excited to have you and you're here for five minutes. You're already breaking stuff Like you're killing me, but I'm excited. I'm excited to see where it goes, because I know we kind of all have some ideas and we've been discussing, well, one. We have to have another business meeting, because business meeting for us means we go to dinner and Will for him is like, oh yeah, free food, we're going. We may not talk business, we may not talk business, we may just stuff our face. But we'll have the meeting we can talk about whatever you want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't care. At that point You're like y'all are picking up the tab.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can talk about whatever you want. So plenty of NASCAR talk. If David brings it up, you're just like yeah, we'll talk for hours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll talk about Dale Earnhardt. I was just thinking during this intro. I've listened to a few podcasts. Do you know how hard it would be and people do this to do a solo podcast where you're just talking in front of the screen, the video's on and you're just having a conversation about? For some?
Speaker 1:people do it for hours. I don't know how they do it, because I can take on a conversation and kind of jump with something, but at some point that ends right like I don't know how to transition myself into other things, like when you have somebody to bounce stuff off of. It's kind of easy, really right it is, but talking for, like you said, some of these guys are doing three hour podcast, yeah, by themselves. I don't know how you have one content but two like are able to. I mean so for me, like it's kind of similar to like YouTube.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The guys are doing to the camera, but you know that's their, their crowd, you know whatever, but there's something that they are doing that goes, or like they have the chat that they're talking to, or you know, for the streamers it's not like that in a podcast, if you're sitting there talking by yourself, do you just open up a book and read it, because I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's so. Much of my rhetoric is based off or based through humor.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You've got somebody else to knock it off, right yeah, and I can't sit there and laugh at my own stuff and then transition from that.
Speaker 1:I mean I could at my own stuff and then transition from that.
Speaker 2:I mean I could, it's just probably not funny, right, and it'd be super awkward and I'd have a hard time doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't, I really can't picture that, and I've listened to a few that do it and honestly they're pretty solid at it. But it's hard to think of myself. Yeah, just segue yourself into this, right, you know, at that point, what am I doing? Am I just telling stories? Am I? I don't know how to to navigate that. That would almost feel a little bit more I don't know news like I guess it'd be really hard to just it would have to be we're, we're our. I mean, obviously, if anybody's listening to our podcast for any given time, it's just basically us talking our opinions on stuff, our thoughts, you know, discussing who knows what, because everything is in play. So to do that and not have the conversation aspect, I don't know how to be hard.
Speaker 2:It'd be really hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But and I was also thinking about has it not been so terribly windy here recently?
Speaker 1:I feel like worse than usual, so, and I feel like I've said that every year, but I also feel like an old man when I say that.
Speaker 2:Well, I would say like I'm noticing it and and you still consider yourself young, I do consider myself, you're not but you feel that you are Thank you Um so I did some research.
Speaker 1:What you're like 23 now I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm 26. Okay, sorry Child, so I did some research about.
Speaker 1:You're researching wind patterns.
Speaker 2:Just to see, because it was Wow, it's so bad.
Speaker 1:You are bored, yeah well.
Speaker 2:Baseball season ended and you're like I don't know what to do, and that there is a couple of explanations, one being global warming, which is making wind uh, just in this region be more so than it has been which we can really dive into.
Speaker 1:That I was gonna say I know you saw the look on my face when you said it because I'm like global warming is such a hot topic for so many people, but it's not the, in my opinion, is not the problem that people see it as Right, like the amount that this has happened is the exact same amount that it's done. When you look at the scientists, they're like oh, our world is millions of years old, which you know. That's a whole other conversation. It's millions of years old, which that's a whole other conversation. It's millions of years old.
Speaker 1:And when you go back and look at the tracks of how the temperature has changed. It's right on track with every other time, so it's like we're worried about something that's been a natural fluctuation.
Speaker 2:My biggest thing that I thought was true from this article I read was that seasons change. Obviously more wind, yeah, but all the downed trees from the hurricane, that's true.
Speaker 1:I didn't really think about that Coming over the mountaintops that are having less canopy.
Speaker 2:There's way less stuff blocking than it used to be, that it could have a slight impact. Now I would feel like, though, it would have to be a lot of trees, and I'm not sure how many trees fell. I do know I came up from Anderson up through Table Rock area. Right, yeah, yeah, and that was what a couple days ago. Yeah, and not only the destruction from the fires, but the amount of downed trees was unbelievable.
Speaker 1:So that's something I guess guess we hadn't really thought of is. You know, we had the hurricane in into September, early October, then just all the fires in the same areas. The few trees that were left are now Right, kind of gone. And the table rock fire was what? 10,000 plus acres at one point, yeah, maybe 12. I mean it was really really big. It was one of the biggest I can ever remember being close to us, right, like usually the big ones were.
Speaker 1:That was California. Yeah, we don't get the big ones here. We'd have like the. Oh, there's like 300 acres Like grand scheme. That's not really that big, but you know, 10 to 12,000 is that's a massive, massive fire for here. So yeah, I never really thought about there's way less trees at the peaks because the amount of wind, the amount of storms, the amount of stuff that's just really taking it down, something you don't think about. I guess. No, it's not, cause we always just think, oh, we're kind of shielded by the mountains. You know we always threats, we get the stuff like that, but like it's typically the mountains block a lot of stuff, even like the really bad storms, like the mountains block a lot of stuff and we've had some bad ones, but not to the degree that you know.
Speaker 1:Just down the road even hendersonville or greenville or any of those areas really get hit. So you know we're very lucky in that aspect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're super lucky but, yeah, I never thought about how much the landscape has changed that. Obviously, you, you know the that affects the wind, yeah, so I guess, really, depending on the direction the wind's coming, it would be worse, because certain areas that you know, especially coming from the South right now, yeah, all of that got burnt all the way up the mountain. So what you're saying is got to call Mr Beast and do another plant some trees, yeah, cause we're gonna need them. We're gonna need them this summer, we're gonna need them, which there's? There's a. That's a topic I didn't think I was going into. Mr beast, what's your thoughts? Because that's like one of the biggest people in kind of this whole world of influencers. Slash youtube, slash, like do you have any thoughts on the man or do you? Are you, uh, are you a subscriber? Are you watching his stuff? Do you really care?
Speaker 2:I don't really. I see it impacting a lot of teenagers. Good or bad?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I have a hard time wrapping my head around this era of YouTube influencing or social media influencing, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess that's a bigger thing, you know, because between TikTok and all the difference.
Speaker 2:We have just allowed our lives to become so accessible to others that it makes me feel like, when I'm holding my phone, I'm like holding a loaded weapon, Like I will be, like your life can be impacted so fast and my whole thing is I believe that I should worry about my community and my family and people I love. I don't need to be worrying about someone from Tucson, arizona, who's going through something hard. I don't, that's not my problem and it's becoming my problem because I'm watching it all the time.
Speaker 1:That's something we used to have, this discussion in my previous employment, about all the tragedies and about all these things, and it's like, all right, are things actually worse? Right Cause we're really quick to be like, oh yeah, it's the worst it's ever been. It's like, well, hang on, is it actually worse, or is it now just the fact that we can see it, and even what was happening across the world not just, you know, local news, what happened in our little county area. We're seeing every cause. That's the news. Tragedy is what sells for the news, like that's big, big news for them. You know, I hate that, that's the case, but that's just the case. So if there's a massive earthquake, a big fire shooting, you know, whatever it may be, that makes the news. You know, 50 years ago the news locally was not reporting on what happened in other states, like so here it was like North and South Carolina, cause they did some upstate stuff, but that's cause we're, you know, a border town, but we weren't talking about what happened in, like you said, arizona, new York, california.
Speaker 2:None of that was important. Well, and think about how desensitized we've become. Uh, just in general as a society. Think about how much r-rated movies have changed over time. We are seeing more graphic things. We're seeing more gory things.
Speaker 1:We're hearing but look at the rise in like the whole horror genre, right like there are. So I mean there's, there are conventions like horror conventions. Now I mean that's a nightmare to me, like that would be horrible, that that is not a fun thing to me whatsoever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a complete, decent temptation to this idea of fear. And so think about, probably when you were growing up, every time a gas station was robbed it would be kind of like a big deal. It would be like, oh wow, I didn't know the Citgo could get robbed.
Speaker 1:But it happened. But it was like so few and far between Right, but then it started happening, so much that when I would see it.
Speaker 2:I'd be like, yeah, duh. And then guess what? First school shooting Columbine. Remember how the entire country was panicked. Now we see Alabama had a school shooting.
Speaker 1:Everyone's just like, wow, that stinks. Yeah, so it's not that you just are completely blow it off. You mean, you still have the thought of like man, that's awful and terrifying. In an hour you've already forgot about it whereas columbine I mean we're talking about still talk about right.
Speaker 1:So, yes, that, but that was the first I'm not gonna say the first school shooting, because that's obviously not the case. There's been school shootings a very long time. That was the first major one where it was like a thought-out plan and where they really saw that the response by the officers was not a good way to do it. But no, that was the way they were trained. Those guys did what they were trained to do but it was just wrong. That's the way that training goes now, like this is what we used to be trained. Now we realize that's wrong. We can't do that. So, yeah, so from all aspects of that, it's like we have to do better. Same thing with 9-11. Like, think about which.
Speaker 1:I didn't really fly much as a kid, like that. We didn't have those kinds of trips. But you know, my parents talk about it because they they'd been all over the place and I mean I remember as a young kid, uh, the job my dad had they could win, like these trips. Well, they went to england at one point on a trip paid for by the company and they were talking about like flying overseas, tsa, it was through it so quick. And then post 9-11, it was no longer quick. Tsa was post 9-11. Tsa was at it's peak of like.
Speaker 1:When they say, get there 2 hours early, that's not early enough you need to be there like 3 hours early because it is going to take you forever, because they are checking everything and now they still do but they've just gotten the equipment to handle it. The x-ray machines are so much better. The everything you're walking through the metal detector is so much better. It's like they've gotten it much more streamlined, which we all knew would happen. But it's kind of I mean the whole cell phone topic and the whole influencer slash. You know, whatever you want to call that that's. I mean you want to call that that's.
Speaker 1:I mean it's kind of something we've discussed before, but I had made the comment technology advancements are not always good. Like we have good intentions with them. Yeah, we have good thoughts with them and, don't worry, it's great. Like we were just talking about a little bit ago what was the answer to this, and you just go look it up real quick, right, like you, you have a computer way faster than people ever imagined in your pocket at all times. But at the same time, you have a computer in your pocket at all times and it's hard to turn yourself off from that. Yeah, I mean that's for me. I know I'm I'm on my phone way too much. It is just one of those things like it's it happens at this point. I don't even think about it I don't think our design.
Speaker 2:I don't think we think our design. I don't think we should have phones period. I don't think we were made to ever hold technology like this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, honestly, I don't know, Because there's always going to be. I mean, you think 2,000 years ago, regardless of the discussion, you think 2,000 years ago you're back to the BC like you think 2,000 years ago you're back to the, you know BC AD, transition Stuff was still moving forward at that time. Sure, I mean there's some plenty of talks and plenty of things that there's some very high-level technology that was actually back then that we have since lost, you know the whole topic for another day, right, like that could be its own separate show.
Speaker 1:But so like there's always been the advancements, but at what point did the advancements become like you weren't actually you shouldn't have had that Like? You may have figured that out, but it probably wasn't in your best interest to figure that out.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I don't know what the answer is to that.
Speaker 2:but I just know I've never met someone that said I wish I spent more time on my phone.
Speaker 1:No, so I don't think you ever will. But you think, like my kids now know how to use technology, computers, phones at such a young age, right, but then even in school everything they do is on a computer. Like I mean, third grade turning in assignments on computers, yeah, like they have to know how to do it and that's kind of the way the world is Right, which is crazy. I did see a thing a couple weeks ago that was talking about how it used to kind of be the stock market guys and you know that was like the, you know kind of the, the big wigs, the, the money marketing, like those were the kind of important people to where now it's it guys, right, and they're like you know, the nerds have never been more important, and it's like those guys literally control everything, like do they want to shut your stuff down? They can't heartbeat exactly and then you got to call them to fix it. They have so much control, which is the same thing like government contracts, like there's so many things that become a problem and I sit back and think who created that problem? Cause that wasn't a problem you know, 15 years ago, the whole like EMP situation Like we talked about.
Speaker 1:If there's an EMP at any one of our major power bases, that's shutting off power for a quarter of the country. That's really not that difficult of a thing anymore. Those are a much more common military aspect. Then you have these companies that come in like, oh, we can stop this If we really look deep enough. Were you one that kind of helped design that? Because it's really good to solve a solution for a problem we never had until you made that problem and now you're the solution? Because then you can say we want $100 billion.
Speaker 2:How do you?
Speaker 1:say no. You can't say no. That's the whole thing, like this whole government spending thing. It's like there are so many situations of that right there where these guys are like there's only two companies that can do this. We specialize in this, they specialize in that. You kind of got to pay us both, yeah, and they just write a blank check because they make the market.
Speaker 1:So this whole you know, oh, you can't have monopolies in our country. We're really upholding that Really great. I mean even locally, like I'm not trying to bash, but like internet, locally. For the longest time there was one option Period, right, like that was it. So you know, we don't do monopolies, but we do them everywhere, exactly. So, yeah, again, technology is awesome in so many, so many ways. Like we wouldn't have this podcast if it weren't for technology. Oh yeah, like we'd have no way to put this stuff out. But at the end of the day, if it was like the world would be better if your podcast stopped, it's going to have to suck. Sorry, we're going to keep going. I can't, I can't cut it off at this point. It's, it's just, I'm too in it. So, so now we are what? A week, two weeks post draft, there are a lot of teams I feel like are still doing nothing. There are a lot of teams I feel like are still doing nothing. Like nfl season is not that far around the corner.
Speaker 1:We're in may, yeah like you got to think, the hall of fame game. That's july august and then it's like we start into it into late august, early september, other than the browns having 47 quarterbacks on roster.
Speaker 2:That'll stink.
Speaker 1:That's its own situation. I mean, you know you got Shadur there, so they're saved, but nobody feels like they're doing much. Like some of the signings that I was looking at today, I'm like does that really help? You? Like when we signed an undrafted wide receiver, you've got 17 on roster, right, right.
Speaker 2:Well, none of those are working. I don't think we're seeing a lot of star mobility right now.
Speaker 1:No, and we're not, and those are definitely gonna be free agent stuff way more than than trades or anything like that. We're not going to see much, so I say that, but there, there's currently nothing that seems to be in the works. No, it kind of does feel like an nfl down period right now, though the summer always does, which sucks, though, because, like, football is such a big portion of the year, whether it's both nfl and college, and there's just so much money moving with it and it's it drags so much attention, so it's it's tough and because you know, like you look at it, right now we only have a few more weeks of NBA season, so, like basketball is getting ready to be over, well then it's just going to be baseball only, for I mean I know you're super excited about WNBA.
Speaker 1:It's, it's back. I am. So I am You're right, um you know that ended quickly and that's about how we feel Um yeah, feel um yeah, so we're. We're right here to the point of like baseball is getting ready to be it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like that's about all we're gonna have and you know I could really do without football, do without completely. Yeah, really, I don't need it. Why is that I never liked football growing up. I never watched football religiously. We never had like a home at my house. We never had a team that we were just like cause you guys were all basketball baseball, basketball baseball.
Speaker 1:I understand that.
Speaker 2:And so I watch NFL, I play fantasy, I do the whole, the whole stitch.
Speaker 1:but like you're, pretty deep into it to not like football.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Like, I love football and I'm all about it and I can't stand fantasy. That is something that does not interest me. I really don't like college football, really Uh-uh. So now I will say this we are big college football fans, but that's just kind of how we grew up and we watched a lot of that I just don't like the whole entertainment part of it.
Speaker 2:I just don't like it and I don't like the game itself enough to sit down and watch. Right, I can't just sit down and watch Wyoming play Boise State on a Saturday, not saying that many people can Maybe the blue field drags you in.
Speaker 1:I mean like that's a little different, but no so with basketball I don't care who's playing, I can sit and watch it. It could be teams that are just nobodies. That it's like I think I might know where they're from. I just nobodies? Yeah, that it's like I think I might know where they're from. I can sit there and watch it just because I love basketball that much. Like you said, the way you are with baseball, you can just sit there and watch baseball, yeah, but football no.
Speaker 1:Like I, it's way easier to me when a game feels like it's important or it's at least like power five.
Speaker 2:Or it's a huge rivalry. That are really good players.
Speaker 1:I mean I can watch more than just that, but that to me it just makes it. I'm going to actually pay attention. It can be on and I'm not really watching it for some of those games. So no, I'm. But again, my brother's the same way. He loves football, but he only likes the NFL, right.
Speaker 1:He doesn't really have any college. He just doesn't enjoy it the same way. Now he is also wrong in the fact that he's a dolphins fan. That's hard, uh, he's always been a dolphins hard life. I can remember as a kid, you know he kind of grew up learning about dan reno through him. Yeah, um, who? Again? I think dan reno is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play, probably the greatest to ever play that never won a championship, sure. But yeah, I mean you've got to look at how long the Dolphins have been around. They have not, true. Like they're kind of relevant in the fact that they're making playoffs. They're not truly relevant because they're not making it deep, right. So like they've been really bad for a really long time, right. So like they've been really bad for a really long time.
Speaker 1:Like the panthers have been to a super bowl, made a deep playoff run more recent than than the dolphins, which is crazy and the panthers are awful poverty, like I mean even the cam newton days, like that was such a flash in the pan style style thing, like he was good for like three years, yeah, and then it was like he's really only good for a year so he was really really good for that year, but like they were solid, yeah there for that two to three years span post. Jake delhomme which gosh. There's so many people that are like, oh, he was so great and I'm like terrible my grandma could make those throws.
Speaker 2:She didn't have any arms like I mean. It felt like that like it was just so bad.
Speaker 1:He had Steve Smith. It made a whole lot easier. You throw it up there, let Steve go get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But no, I mean Cam Newton. Obviously he was, for a lot of people, the only thing they'd seen like that, because a lot of those people weren't around or watching when Mike Vick was there. Exactly they'd seen like that Because a lot of those people weren't around or watching when Mike Vick was there, exactly Because that was truly who Mike Vick didn't make that position. I mean, you had Warren Moon, you had a lot of guys that really did a lot more of that mobile stuff, but Michael Vick was the human joystick, like he was the one that like we don't care if he ever throws it, like just run, just run, just have fun. And they can't take it, entertain us, it's so much fun to watch him. But Cam Newton to do what he did, I mean that kind of paved the way for him. But we saw it with him, we saw it with RG3. These really, really brief, which is what everybody was afraid with Lamar Jackson, that you were going to see two good years and just nothing.
Speaker 2:But boy, did he figure it out?
Speaker 1:Lamar Jackson has absolutely figured it out. Yeah, could have very, very, very easily won MVP this year.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Like Josh Allen. Just he had a year. He did, and I'll tell you that he had a year, so that's really the only thing that beat him out. So it is impressive to me, though, that you're just kind of like fall for you doesn't, doesn't do anything for you. Then you're you're kind of like falls on the way to get me to basketball yeah which I mean I guess you still have. You've got baseball playoffs at that point, so you're still oh, you're still good there, because that's, that's october october, you're pretty deep into best.
Speaker 2:It's the best month no, are you?
Speaker 1:are you that way with like college as well, like college world series? Does that do it for you too, the same?
Speaker 2:way. Well, I'll definitely sit down and watch it, really yes and do you so?
Speaker 1:who's your? Who's your? Do you have like a college baseball, like that's my team?
Speaker 2:go trojans really anderson, trojan.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know who you said, I know who you meant they're not winning anytime soon and they haven't ever exactly, but that's just alma mater, so it is alma mater. Do you have a real team? And I hate to say it that way, but like, like somebody that's a legitimate contender, like, do you have somebody that you're like?
Speaker 2:yeah, I kind of want these guys to um, no, not really, you just like watching it. I've been super fortunate to have been around and coached some players that have made it to Power 4 or 5 schools and so whenever they're on, or if there's a coach that I know that's coaching for a team that is Power 5, then I'll sit down and watch and tune in. And then you know, brother plays, has played with uh and against just these families that we know that are playing, you know, acc baseball and so it's a cool.
Speaker 2:It's just cool to sit down and watch and see the spider web of connectivity well, oddly, we've had quite a few in recent years.
Speaker 1:Major league talent come from kind of our surrounding area, which is really weird to think about. Yeah, like being on that level from here, because we always just kind of take it for granted here Like yeah, we've got good athletes but not that level Right, because that's a whole. I mean, it's a whole different. The jump from. People really take it for granted because there's so many people that play high school sports from. People really take it for granted because there's so many people that play high school sports the jump from high school to college.
Speaker 2:Unbelievable the jump from western north carolina to college.
Speaker 1:Yes it is a. So I will say this I was fortunate I was out of western north carolina my senior year, yeah, so I got a little bit of taste of that like faster paced, bigger style, like for basketball, that game, and it was still a massive jump in college. Yeah, because like everybody's just in shape, everybody is is just they're there to do a job and the game just moves super fast. It's so much different. But then to go from any level of college I mean even the biggest of the big I mean we're talking, you know, you know you're a Duke fan, I'm a Carolina fan Like to go from there to the NBA, like that jump is unbelievably large, like there's a reason so few people really make it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And even baseball. Like baseball, there's probably more people considered pros than probably any other sport, because of all of the minor league system.
Speaker 2:But making it to the show, to what?
Speaker 1:90, 90 of those guys probably never make it, if not more, if not more, like make it to the show. That's just. That's such a crazy. It's a crazy thing to think, which I. I saw a thing recently and I kind of heard of it, but I didn't really understand how you got it the major league gold card yeah that's such a cool concept yes, that is.
Speaker 2:This is why baseball is the best sport I knew.
Speaker 1:I knew you'd go there.
Speaker 2:I'm serious, because there are traditions within this game that you can never take away, that no one else does so there's.
Speaker 1:There's one thing about the gold card I don't like. Eight years is a long time, yeah, but you earn it, but like so, and I'm not saying like after a year In my mind, I'm like all right, like when you sign that second contract, maybe then, because that's usually like five to six years, it's a pretty large jump for some of the early guys.
Speaker 1:Now I do get it, because some of those guys to get to year eight, that's like third contract. It is like a rookie second contract, then your third contract. So it's like all right, if you've signed a third contract you belong exactly you know, you weren't just like a really couple of years, awesome, you know. Hey, we're gonna send you back down. No, you, you were there, you belong there exactly so's a really cool.
Speaker 1:for those of you that don't know what a MLB gold card is, I'll let we'll take that he's going to know a little bit more about it than I will yeah.
Speaker 2:So MLB gold cards after eight years in a league. Well, I think it's if you're still there, the start of your eight um, you get a portion of of your contract for forever, right, um, and it's just a really it's a great honor.
Speaker 1:It's also a big deal, and I've seen ball clubs they have signed players that have made it seven years right, they've just signed them for a 10-day contract, just so they could get because that that classifies them as you were on a roster and you're in that year and you get the gold card but even something so small that they add with that it's a little card they give you like it's something you keep on you you can show up to any ballpark in the country and get two free tickets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, every major league ballpark, minus playoff games. Right, they're like, all right, you obviously can't do playoff, which I get, cause that's that's money, it just is but the and they are required to give you the two best available tickets that were not sold. I'm like that's just such a cool thing it is. And I'm like if you spent like 12 years in, like that you go, like 12 years you retire and, depending on your situation, like if your kids are older, at that point, or it's just you and a wife, you know, or if it's just you, you know, you never know, right, I'm gonna try to go to every ballpark. Yeah, like I'm gonna have such great spot. Like at that point, the game is your life, like that's. You've done it for so long, exactly, I mean through little league, through middle school, high school, college, 12 major league seasons. If you were at that point, or content being done, you're still rather young.
Speaker 1:If you're not, it's like I'm going to Japan, I'm going to Mexico, wherever you're going, if you're like, no, I'm good, I had a really good career, whether you're working for a team doing some minor league stuff, those guys do so many things post career. But yeah, I would want to go every game I could at that point just to be around it, exactly, like I mean even now, like so far out of even just the level of basketball I played and like I still love being around it. Sure, like I want to go to games, I want to watch, I want to critique, I want to think about like game plans and all those things, like it's such a. So I'm sure that's hard for you because, like you said, your season's over now but there's still so much baseball being played and it's the best baseball of the year being played.
Speaker 2:Right, you know, right, high school season it is. It does give me opportunity to go watch, um, but I do wish our team was in there Because you did just go to senior day for Anderson.
Speaker 1:right, I did. Yes, that was your last recruits.
Speaker 2:It was, it was their senior days and it was really special. Yeah, it was really cool. I don't go down there much, but when I do, it's usually good things happen.
Speaker 1:I mean, how much season do they have left Because they should be? They're done. Because college should be going into, they're in postseason now.
Speaker 2:They are now Okay.
Speaker 1:Let's say it had to be somewhere right around here. I know it's usually pretty close because they usually postseason starts about the same time. Of classes ending Yep, it's pretty similar. Of classes ending Yep, like it's pretty similar. Now we'll say this Major League, I feel like the season's barely even started. I know right, it is such a long season. Is 162 games too many? Yes, what should it be though? 100. Because, like I guess in my mind I'm always like, give me 80 to 100. I feel like I can digest that better. 100 to 110, I think 160 is just.
Speaker 2:It's a lot. It's over half the year. You really figure out who the best team is though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean we see a lot. So we've talked about this many times. I'm a brave Sam's been. That was local for us. Yeah, growing up here like didn't have the connections with it really another way. So praise fans, you know.
Speaker 1:Growing up, chipper jones, andrew jones, the whole, you know maddox small you hear about all the time because you lived here but not being a fan of that, you're like, oh, like, I don't, I don't want to hear that anymore. Like shut, shut up, but that's, that's what I grew up watching and knowing. So then, to think about like the Braves this year, two thirds of their team is on the injured list. They've got guys playing positions They've never played before, like not saying, like never played in the pros, like literally never played before, and they are so bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's so hard to watch right now because I really so I'm not really into baseball yet, because I'm like, all right, I still got some basketball yeah, you do hang on to, so I'm like yeah this is kind of when I start to watch the nba. They play so much different in the playoffs than they do regular season yeah we're not seeing 130 to 130, we're not seeing 140 to 140.
Speaker 1:It's like 105, 95. Like it's a much more condensed game to me, which is a whole lot better game to watch. I don't like the hey. We had four guys score 40.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:That's really just no fun. I do agree with that, so I love playoff basketball. I mean, these are the most talented guys in the world. Noah Lyles has no idea what he's talking about.
Speaker 1:Like NBA guys are world champions and shout out Noah Lyles, that dude's fast Dude is super fast, yeah, and seems like a fairly decent dude, but like those teams are not beating these guys in a seven-game series, no, like it's just not happening. So the few times that we've seen like the Cavs championship team went and played somebody, they played the national team. The national team doesn't count.
Speaker 2:No, it's a legit Like go play.
Speaker 1:They're like oh, they lost by six to the national team. Yeah, most of the guys on the Cavs can't make national teams Because, like, especially like the American one they're not good enough.
Speaker 2:No, go play FC Barcelona in the Spanish league Right.
Speaker 1:Who is probably the next best team after whoever wins so outside of NBA, like that's probably the best team in the world and the Cavs beat them by 30. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if not more.
Speaker 1:It's just, it's a different, different, so now I will say they play a very different game over there. Yeah, it's much more technical. It's, I won't say slower, because the game of basketball is just so fast as it is, but they play a much more technical, like it's not as high flying, it's it's very much more, cut it's yeah where a little more the old high school college way, but at a much higher level, nba nowadays is so much pick and roll, iso above the rim.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, the guys now are more athletic than they've ever been. I don't think there's any question about it.
Speaker 2:No question.
Speaker 1:We talked what two or three days ago. So we have this idea we'd love to do and it's just going to kind of take some time to do the research and kind of really come up with it, because the two days I've been looking at it it's going to be impossible. It's so hard, so hard. So we kind of want to go through, because there's always the debates of you know the goat well will and me disagree on who we have is the goat. Both those guys are in our top five for sure. Like that it'd be stupid not to. But we want to go position by position. So point guard honestly through like six man, because that gets no love. Like six man, greatest six man of all time, never gets any love. And I think probably my man is going to be like the the easy, go-to easy but, like we were looking at point guards, the list is so extensive.
Speaker 1:But if we're really going to talk about any of these guys who is the best, most talented, is there really gonna be more than a handful from pre-2000?.
Speaker 2:There's not.
Speaker 1:I mean, the game is just so different. These guys are so much more athletic, so much just smarter. It's a very different game. So it's hard to sit there and say again, not taking away from what.
Speaker 2:Dr J. Did Dr J in this era?
Speaker 1:he's good, but I wouldn't call him great.
Speaker 2:No, Like it's just a very different he doesn't win All-NBA first team.
Speaker 1:He'd be tough Like I. He doesn't. So again the same comment I made the other day it's like if those guys had time to acclimate and they were training the same way, the guys aren't like. But if it was literally, just take those guys, put them in a game, yeah, there's no shot no, I know I'll say one of the few people that'd be like, yeah, he'd make it larry, larry, magic.
Speaker 1:Those two guys I'm like they had the size, they had the skill. Like, especially larry, he's a shooter. Yeah, like. He's like I don't have to be as athletic. Right, the moves I have, you're not stopping. Yeah, and he would tell you that, like Larry, he's a shooter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like he's like I don't have to be as athletic Right, the moves I have you're not stopping. Yeah, and he would tell you that I know.
Speaker 1:He's very clearly like hey, I'm about to do this and you can't.
Speaker 2:Good luck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good luck, so yeah. And before the podcast we even talked about like something as many good point guards, so many good ones, like one that I said probably won't make the list but could probably easily put it on there Chauncey Billups, exactly.
Speaker 2:Stephon Marbury.
Speaker 1:Stephon Marbury, steve Francis Like there are so many guys that so easily could get left off these lists. Marbury had his own shoe. He did, he did. I mean he was Starbury, yeah, like he was a huge star. I think still is in China. Yeah, like they, literally like paid him crazy amounts of money to get him over there after his NBA career just because he draws views? Yes, and Chinese basketball is not good? No, but they love.
Speaker 1:Outside of Yao Ming Right, like which still 12 is not good, no, but they love outside of yaoming right, like which still there's the things that he may have been created in a lab, like like that's chinese typically, that's not how they are, are built or how they play like it was very, very different. I do love, though, that story that shack tells about yao, where he's like played this guy for like three years, didn't know he could speak English, like says something to him and he's like, oh, thank you. And he's like hang on, yeah, you understand. He's like, yeah, you just never talked to me. He's like, he's like I've never felt like such a jerk like which I get it I mean even today way more which most of these guys come and know in English, like, yeah, they about have to in the business world. That's such a common thing, but there are more foreign guys now than ever. I won't say necessarily foreign guys, but foreign stars, like the guys that are legitimately true high level players.
Speaker 2:A lot of these guys are European and baseball and basketball yeah, a lot of these guys are European and baseball and basketball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and speaking of that, though, I did see Deon Sanders. They had they had an interview with him and they were talking about you know, obviously, his baseball stuff and and was like why do we not see more black people in baseball? And I'm like I never really thought about it. I mean, you look at really, any of our sports dominated by black athletes. Like it just is, it's not a, it's not an opinion, that's a fact. Like look at the statistics, it just is.
Speaker 1:So his comment of why there's not more in baseball, he's like our culture doesn't fit baseball. He's like girls don't like baseball players. He's like if you're in the hood, they want the aggression. They want football players, they want that's what they go for. Like it's not cool to go tell your buddies, yeah, I got a baseball tournament this weekend. Yeah, like no, you get made fun of. So those kids are naturally not playing it. I think it's the same way with a lot of sports. Like you, you see what two, three black guys in golf, yeah, which, again you know that's a much fancier sport.
Speaker 1:One was the greatest of all time but other than that it's like that's not again not a common thing well, hockey I mean any of those minor sports.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but also look at the cost of these sports too. I mean baseball's turned into a country club sport it really slowly has. Yeah, golf is 100 a country club sport that.
Speaker 1:So that will never be broken. That stigma, um, it's a thing that I think has gotten a lot better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do, but it'll never really break that. No, I mean that mentality the same way, like tennis is that way. You're just never going to break that. And again you look at tennis the greatest women's tennis player of all time in Serena Williams and her sister Venus, probably fairly high on that list as well. So it's like there are the exceptions to the rule, but typically you're not seeing much of that and I don't think that's going to change. That's. I mean, again, like dion said, it's, it's a culture thing. Like obviously we don't understand that, it's not. We didn't grow up in those areas, so we're not seeing. Yeah, you're, you're lame for playing this sport or that sport. Like you know, neither of us were football guys. Love the game.
Speaker 1:Never really enjoyed playing it oh, I hated it david played it pretty well through high school but like that's, that's it, like he's got that, that thought of it. But for us it's like I love it, but I like the other side of it. I like the watching the stats. That side it's different. Like you talk about basketball, like yeah, I physically can't do basketball like I used to, but I would still love to do it. But I'm 35 now and like those next couple of days are going to suck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like the recovery is not there, I still play a lot.
Speaker 1:It's gonna suck. Yeah, I think the recovery is not there. I still play a lot. It's fun, I so I still was in my 20s, like, even like later 20s, and then it got to the point with my job and then with kids. It's like, even if I just something as simple as roll an ankle, like I can't, I can't be out playing with my kids, I can't right do my job functionally, like it just becomes like all right, I really have to be careful what I do, which I hate. That like. I hate that jobs and in parts of life dictate the fun that I want to have. But unfortunately such is life like that's just the way it is yeah, you'll figure that out, that'll.
Speaker 1:That'll change one day maybe responsibilities change. We will see I mean well, so your your job. Obviously you're a teacher.
Speaker 1:You can have a broken arm, you can have you can have all kinds of injuries and it's like, hey guys, open your book. Yeah, well, open your chromebook, because nobody does anything on books anymore. But yeah, I mean there's, there's not much that really changes for that, but for a lot of these guys, I mean there was, there were some guys that come in there, like straight off the construction site, and I'm like one guy was playing with towards achilles, like dude did asphalt for a living and I'm like what?
Speaker 2:are you gonna do now? What now? Like I drove him to the hospital.
Speaker 1:I'm like, are you gonna be all right? And he's like, yeah, this will heal. I went, no, no, like, what are you gonna do? Like, like, are you gonna be all right? And he's like, yeah, this will heal. I'm like, no, no, like, what are you gonna do? Like, how are you gonna live? He's like, well, I can probably get short-term disability. I'm like I hope so because, like, you now can no longer do your job.
Speaker 1:So that's where it's like, that's when sports isn't worth it anymore. No, it's not. Yeah, well, so that for me is when I got into golf, right, because it was like physically on your body there's very little, very little if you're doing it correctly, especially right. Like obviously so many people when they start, are not doing it right and they're like, oh, my back hurts, it's like it really shouldn't. No, it shouldn't like it really, like you really shouldn't have those kind of issues. So, yeah, it was the time. It was like I can go play golf and it's time consuming, but it's not physically draining or hurting me, exactly like I'm tired afterwards, but it's more like I was in the sun, you know, just being active, but not because my body is now like falling apart, right and especially and you kind of get this too playing as much as you did into a higher level and how much demand came with it. It's like your body's seen some stuff, it's been through a lot, so the recovery is even more important now than it was. So they preach recovery.
Speaker 1:High school, college. You're like I feel like a million bucks. I'm in the best shape I'm ever going to be in. I'm playing all the time. It's like, yeah, I'm not so worried about ice baths and stretching so many things I did when I was a kid and I'm talking high school age. You go out and play basketball. I'm like I ain't stretched a lick. Just go out there and kind of do a little like turn, turn. All right, we're ready, yeah. And now I'm like gosh, I would have to like really get my body going like first game.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be like that little light jog, yeah, get you know, kind of get the get all the muscles activated. It's just not, and I think that's hard for me is when you, when you know what you used to be able to do and you can't do it anymore, it's like I don't want to do that. I don't want to feel like I have to change it so much just to be involved, like I. At that point I'm like I can do something else within the sport. Yeah, so you do. Do you do like any men's league baseball, or is that really big in this area? Because I know it's gotten much bigger across the country, but I wasn't sure about here. Yep, just joined a team.
Speaker 2:Did you yes for the summer. I'm going to regret it, You're already thinking that. Yeah, I already know I'm going to regret it.
Speaker 1:Why is?
Speaker 2:that With baseball, specifically when I played in college, I loved every aspect of the game. Yeah, as the years went by, I always had to work really hard to be a decent hitter. Okay, that's just something that didn't come naturally I had to work absolutely 100 times more harder than I did defensively.
Speaker 1:Is that mentality going to come back? Are you going to put that effort in to be a hero? No, I'm not, so you're just going to be frustrated that you're not a good hitter and I don't like hitting.
Speaker 2:Okay, I got you. All I want to do is play defense. I want to throw ground balls I want to pick, I want to do all this stuff. Now, what position? I was the middle infielder, okay, gotcha, and so I love that. I love glove work, I love doing all that that that comes with defense, thinking, defense, moving, being in the right place, right when it comes to offense, I'm I would rather come up in a situation to where I have to bond because at least I'm doing something productive, you feel like?
Speaker 1:you were productive at that point not like I'm not the guy that just I'm gonna be on base. I'm this like right, let me, but let me move runners. Like I don't care if I get out.
Speaker 2:Like let me feel like I've done something strategic right, and so that is the one thing I know I'm not gonna love is standing in the box again and so now line up in college.
Speaker 1:Are you like seven, eight, nine hole?
Speaker 2:so I fluctuated a ton. Uh, when I first got there as a freshman um, I was really fortunate to play a lot. I was a nine-hole, I was undersized, left-handed, hitting.
Speaker 1:Always nice to have some lefties in the lineup. That helps too.
Speaker 2:And then, as I got my sophomore year, which was the best year I've ever had in my life, I actually led the team in hitting.
Speaker 1:We just talked about how bad your hitting is. You're like yeah, I just led the team casually.
Speaker 2:There's a reason. It's because I was sandwiched in between two All-Americans. Okay, I got you. So at the leadoff, in the three hole were two All-Americans, so they had to pitch to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't pitch to those guys. Pitch to the guy that lack of a better term, the guy that sucks right compared to those guys like yeah so you're getting so much more good pitches, yes, and right, it was just a lucky year, and then life came back to normal.
Speaker 2:My junior and I hit 200 and okay and then I just you know, ended up getting passed on. By the time I was a senior and they brought in a kid.
Speaker 1:That was better and which is college sports exactly, it's so hard, the guys that legitimately play four years and keep their spot for four years. It's so impressive in any sport because it's just constant. We are trying to recruit somebody to take your spot.
Speaker 2:That's it, that's the business.
Speaker 1:It's what it is and you just have to understand that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so yes, men's league baseball, I play it, We'll play it.
Speaker 1:Is this like a Hendersonville team? It's.
Speaker 2:Asheville, asheville team okay, yeah, play all their games out in Candler. Okay, so we'll see. I think it's going to be. Is this like a one night a week type deal? Yeah, and I think it's going to be pretty watered down, gotcha. Something that's like kind of easy to manage and don't feel like you have to be so like devoted college baseball again. Well, I think the the thing I'm having the hardest time with is all these guys that won't come out and play, that are gonna take it way too serious.
Speaker 1:There's a lot but those are usually the guys that high school will speak well, and I just like there's nothing fast I don't know how to handle it.
Speaker 2:Do I say something? So I'm really bad about.
Speaker 1:I know I've been around you on a few things and I've seen it.
Speaker 2:I will bark back. I don't know if I don't think I'm in a place in my life where I can do that, because then it's real. When you're in college and you're in high school, you're kind of protected by this almost unseen bubble of, in a way yeah. I agree. And now you know I'm out there fending for myself. Someone says something to me and I bark back. Next thing I know I could be in a really bad place. I mean, they meet you at the truck.
Speaker 1:It's different.
Speaker 2:It's different, like on campus.
Speaker 1:It's like we go back to the bus. I go back to the clubhouse with all my boys. It's over, it's a different situation. But now it's like, because there's a lot of guys, that it's not just a sport thing, right, it's not just a comment that was made on a field or on a court, like because there's so many things, even as an adult, people say stuff and it's like, all right, that's on the court. Like this is in my mind.
Speaker 2:It ends like we we cross the baseline, it's over, it was done over.
Speaker 1:Like I don't, I mean people I have no issues with you, but there are so many people now that don't have that mentality. It is literally like yeah, nah, he said I suck, I'm gonna show him right like he thinks I can't swing and now I'm gonna hit my, my bat's gonna hit his taillights, like like stupid stuff, like that.
Speaker 1:So I could see that you're also not one to just be like say whatever you want, like nope, there'll be comments back, I know. So, yeah, I, I could see that being. Uh, I imagine getting a few phone calls.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I definitely imagine so I'm gonna have to come to games or something I know you might have to sucks and and Vinny is on the team too. Oh, that'd be fun then. Yeah, that'd be fun to have Vinny there. Yeah, what does Vinny play? I think he and I are both going to play middle and field together.
Speaker 1:Middle and field Okay, yeah, I could see that for him, I guess. Yeah, he's a little taller than me, though You're built like a second baseman. Yeah, thank you, I don't mean that negatively, just stature-wise second base just seems to fit. It's better than being totally built like a catcher though. Very much so yes. I can see that. When it comes to baseball.
Speaker 1:I am built like a dugout manager. I am not the. I loved baseball as a kid, played it and stuff. It just didn't come as naturally as other sports. I could do it and I was kind of like you. I loved the field. I played third base as a kid. That to me was a blast Hot corner. I could always throw it really well. I got the long throw, so that was fun. But then it came to hitting. Now I suck, this isn't fun. But then obviously I made the transition to tennis and it's like the same time. So then I was actually good at tennis. That one came way more natural for some reason, because that's not a natural sport people don't say that they're just naturally gifted tennis typically no, no, no.
Speaker 1:But for whatever reason, that one came much easier. Um, I don't know why, don't know how, but yeah, it was kind of like I got into that world and it's just. Yeah, here we are, like it wasn't, it wasn't the same effort, like I could do things with with way less effort. You know, played at a pretty pretty high level as far as travel tournaments and you know that was such a big world back then. I mean you, you talk about anything under 18. There was probably 5 000 kids just in the state of north carolina ranked like it was such a big deal it is. And, and my, my like, all the guys I played with locally, all of us were top 500. Right, all of us. So I'm always playing against that level. And there was two or three of the guys that I had no shot of beating. They were just that good.
Speaker 1:My doubles partner for a while he actually went to Florida State on a full ride to play. So it's like I don't play against him, I practice with him, but I don't play against him because there's no point. He was like a three time state champion in singles. So I'm like, yeah, I'm good, I'll, I'll work out with you I'll do those things, but that was a different level. But yeah, I mean we'd go, we'd go to a tournament and six of the eight that were into the quarterfinals was all my team. So it was like I know who I can beat and who.
Speaker 2:I can't beat. I know how far I'm going and I don't have to really look at it so that was, but that was fun times.
Speaker 1:that was a lot of hard work and you look back at it now it's like it's a lot of hours. For what like sports is such a lot of hours? For what Like sports is such a thing Like you put so much time and effort into it and so few people actually can make it. So it's like what do we really do it for? Right? Well, sports is a great metaphor for life, isn't it? Confucius say he's over here being a philosopher tonight. I mean his season. He's got a lot of time to think.
Speaker 2:A lot of time to reflect on why?
Speaker 1:On the big questions of life.
Speaker 2:Why I do the things that I do.
Speaker 1:Well big questions of life, though.
Speaker 2:No, go ahead. I can see the look. I can see the look you go ahead.
Speaker 1:I'll be quiet. No, go ahead. I'm really good at talking sometimes, so bring it on well. So big questions of life. Did you listen to the podcast from last week? So I know you couldn't make it. Yeah, you were tied up with final week of season.
Speaker 2:You know the mess that was I was actually going to bring this up. Yeah, what you're about to bring up okay transitioning to good.
Speaker 1:So I saw in your face that there was something, and then I was like I think it's the same thing.
Speaker 2:So that's why I was trying to get you to go man, the blue ridge, mountains.
Speaker 1:Huh, I mean no like there's a lot here, dude, so it's really simple though have you ever been over in ashville like downtown, sadly, yes and have done any of those like tours that they do? No, so they do. They do a ghost tour. I'm not really a ghost person, but they really. It's like they go around to like some really of the historical stuff of downtown Asheville. They always have like a story that goes with it, but to me it's it's more of the like just weird things, like how things connect, like actual connecting to Johnson city, connecting to johnson city, connecting to, you know, north georgia, and I'm like those connections are not being looked at and it's so weird. Um, but yeah, so we talked about it I can't remember now like three weeks ago, like david talking about the helicopter that didn't make noise, the light that's like hey, I see it there, but like I know it's dead quiet. Yeah, we saw it here at the range last week while recording I'm like you can't make that up, it was just so perfect.
Speaker 1:I watched it come across the cell tower back here and I'm like, huh, that's weird, because the light wasn't right. It didn't have the commercial flashing lights on the side where you have the red and the green. It didn't have all the lights that you were. So I have my FAA 107 for drone pilot, so like federally certified for drone pilot stuff, so like I can even do it commercially. I can do all those things. There are so many things that are the exact same there as it is for pilots like planes, helicopters, all those and they talk about the lights that you were required to to do how far, how far they have to be visible and all these things.
Speaker 1:and, yeah, it's like, hey, you turn these off. This is a huge no-no, like they will find you crazy, crazy amounts of money. Yeah, so we're watching this light come by Zero sound, and so the hospital is just around the corner from us. We hear that helicopter come in All the time, all the time. So it's called Mama. We hear that all the time. It's loud but it's easy to recognize. Well, hey, it's a helicopter, this light's coming by. It's not a plane, because of the height it's very clear, like the way this is flying. It is not a plane. It's not a drone that we can see, because it's way too big, way too big right and moving way too fast, but it's just dead silent and it just. It took me back to that whole thing. Like, dude, these mountains up here, like there's so many weird things and again, for both of us, like we're not looking at the supernatural, we're not looking at aliens, it's like the military stuff that they test up here, like I just want to see it.
Speaker 2:Like I just want to know a little bit, like I know you can't tell us.
Speaker 1:I know there's nothing we can do, but like I just want to know a little bit, because that stuff is so cool, I think these woods here hold a lot of secrets, I think, way more than people realize. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I really, really do. I think more than I even want to realize.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's more than I want to realize, because I want to know a lot, because they're just so like you got to think. So our county is like 360 square miles and we don't have that big of a county, to be honest with you, like compared to, like, henderson County, buncombe County, around us, like those are way I would say, I mean, but over half over half of ours is uninhabited forestry, right, so you're talking like 180 acres.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of easy to hide some stuff in that kind of because then you think those do butt up to Henderson, those do butt up to South Carolina, they do butt up to so many different areas. It's like, yeah, you could really hide something out there. So for them to do so much training that they do, I want to know where that comes from, because it's never flying in the angle. Like they came from Asheville Airport or that they even came from our little tiny airport. It's like they're they're taking off from somewhere where, like, I want to know that even because, like, even most people don't realize, dupont has a landing strip.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like there used to be a lot of stuff coming out of there that was for service things that was also used when perry was taken down they used that landing strip because it was not open to the public after hours so nobody could be on property. So it's way easier to come in and out and they still keep the landing strip.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, it is immaculate, so maintain um.
Speaker 1:A lot of the local law enforcement used to do driver training on that landing strip because of the space that I had, because there's really not many great places here for that, especially like after acoustic, all that clothes like all those lots are gone, so they used to do some up there until someone. They didn't really give it an exact how high that went that the order came from. It was like yeah, you can't use this anymore, Like we don't need anyone having access, and it's like huh, how high did that come up from?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because you always think about it. It's weird Like we're such a small area.
Speaker 2:DuPont is a state-ran forest.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:It is the highest it could go is the governor that you know of.
Speaker 1:I guess, so I mean, yes, it's a state forest, but the state is inside the country. Well, I know, but that's how they look at it. It's like, yeah, you're a state and you have control, but you also receive federal funding. So here's what we're going to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So like there's so many ways around that, unfortunately, it's true. So yeah, there's no telling. But, like I said, we are a really small area but there are so, so many high level military, like Pentagon types that know this area by name.
Speaker 2:Yes, like clearly know this area by name.
Speaker 1:Yes, Like clearly know this area by name. Like it's not, like hey, like when I meet somebody in another state or like for a vacation, we're far away and like, oh, where are you from? You tell them Brevard, north Carolina, and they're like yeah, where's that South of Asheville? 45 minutes Asheville.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, cool, or they won't know that and you have to say I'm like two hours from Charlotte, correct Towards Tennessee.
Speaker 1:Correct, because then they typically don't know Charlotte because the airport, the sports teams, all the stuff Right, and so they're like, oh okay, yeah, I kind of get it and you're like, all right, we're in the mountains, so we're west of that, like okay got it, but then. But then you talk to some people and they're like oh yeah, I've been there several times and you're like excuse me, I know.
Speaker 1:Why have you been here? So yeah, it's rather interesting. And then also like we have some senators that live here, we have former uh governors, we have four presidents that come here.
Speaker 2:Current president that comes here. Current president that comes here.
Speaker 1:Current president that comes here I mean, yeah, he was here not that long ago. He's got friends, like just up the mountain. It's like friends. Why so, though? Yeah, I know that area, like I could see it, because it's a very wealthy high-end area. But yeah, I mean, we've also had that discussion. We think there's way more up there than we're told, so that just goes to think like.
Speaker 1:Obviously we're not the only place in the country that this is happening, no, but it still makes me wonder because, like it is happening here, how much of it is like is way deeper than meets the eye.
Speaker 2:Or is any of this that we're talking about even remotely possible, or true?
Speaker 1:Well, so the military stuff we know is because we literally see the military planes and the training and the personnel. We see them here all the time.
Speaker 2:But what if that's all they're doing? Well, that's it. What if there's nothing? More to it. I don't want that to be true.
Speaker 1:So obviously I don't want that to be true, but I just can't imagine the amount of stuff and the type of stuff we see here.
Speaker 2:It's like you know better than I would.
Speaker 1:There's just so. There's so much questionable stuff Like so if this was overseas and the way they operate overseas like yeah, obviously. Or sea is like yeah, obviously. Or if you're closer to an air force base, you're closer to any one of the bases, like you're seeing stuff come in and out all the time. We're not close to any of that no, we're not. We're actually far away from it exactly like from any direction you go to get to a base there's not.
Speaker 1:We are not close to it like you have to make a point to come here. Yeah, the same thing. Like I say, if you, if you get lost and you come here, you are really lost because we're not close to the interstate, really we're not. There's no true main highway that comes in. No, we are off.
Speaker 1:We are by ourselves, small town as you can for the most part yeah yeah, without going up towards, you know, mitchell and hayesville, and right, right, but even then, like they have interstate fairly close, exactly they do honestly they have interstates that are much closer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for us we have nothing like the closest is 26 and you're talking 30 minutes like, so you are not going to accidentally end yeah so for the stuff that we see here, it's like gosh, there's got to be more, which has to be more, and I know like the the thing is always. Well, it resembles very much what's happening in, you know, middle east and iraq and iran and in all those things it's like, except it's a lot more green here it's a lot more green here a lot more water here, like that's a desert climate, so it's it's a little different.
Speaker 1:So I I really don't know. I don't either. Sorry, I'm trying not to sneeze all over my mic because that would just be gross. It'd be gross. Let me sneeze on your mic I don't want to sneeze on. It's disgusting. It's better yours than mine. That's kind of how I see it. So no, so I think there's going to be a few more blue ridge stories that come up, mainly because I've already started looking, because I think there's some research I think there's some really interesting things.
Speaker 1:Um, people, I mean, so I I'm. I think it's very interesting like you start looking at like ancestry stuff, like where you come from, yeah, who you're involved with, and then to really think about, like obviously america, unless you are native american, you came from somewhere. Well, yeah, like like you were from some european area or you know hispanic, not that far down the lineage, like it, just it just is yeah, that was like one of the coolest things my mother gave us was the ancestry so where was yours you?
Speaker 2:really want to know. Yeah, so I, I really went so you went deep I can see that's your personality, though I could 100% see that oh yeah, so I am a direct descendant of King Henry from the Middle Ages. Okay, more recently, direct bloodline like straight down the tree, patrick Henry Gotcha, and so founding father in the blood, yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's cool, but we knew that going into.
Speaker 2:But my wife is related to Richard Simmons so you know she's.
Speaker 1:So that's cool, but we knew that going into but my wife is related to Richard Simmons, so you know she's kind of got your beat.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I make that joke all the time, but it's not false. Like literally like. It's like fairly far down the line, but I I still like, and it's even funny that Dave is not here and I'll say it to him too, cause I've said it before. But like they even talk, they're like yeah, we don't, we don't talk about that. Like it's a, it's very taboo to speak about that.
Speaker 2:Well, I had a grandmother. She she's like my eighth grandmother was um an accused witch in Salem Massachusetts during Salem witch trials and she was hung Obviously not a witch. Not a witch.
Speaker 1:So again, that is such a crazy thing to me. No, it's not. You're only not a witch if you die.
Speaker 2:And if you are.
Speaker 1:We're still killing you.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Once you're accused, there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 2:No because one of the things that they would do is they would take you up to the lake. An accused witch, yeah, they would tie a cinder block to your foot.
Speaker 1:If you sink, you weren't a witch.
Speaker 2:Right, but if you so, you're just dead.
Speaker 1:So if I die, I'm not a witch. If I don't die, you burn me at the stake Right, and I die Right.
Speaker 2:So and for whatever reason, and you know when it stopped.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 2:There's this, the guy, the governor, john Goffrey.
Speaker 1:He was, his wife was accused of being a witch, and then we got a pretty good deal. He's like you know what Enough of this I'm done. This is crazy. We can't be doing this.
Speaker 2:What are we?
Speaker 1:doing. But even so, like that's. That is one of those things where it's like individuals are so smart, like we have so many so smart people, people, groups as a whole are as dumb as they get. It's just human behavior To fall into that like we really think that that made sense, human behavior is crazy and it took nothing. It took nothing to accuse somebody. No, nothing.
Speaker 2:And it's like you didn't even need evidence, no, and just thinking back to all these events that I've witnessed personally and that you can look back and is dated. The human brain is unbelievably powerful, but we are sheep at times. Oh, 100%.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I think it's a scary thing to think about when all it takes is a mass group to do something and everyone's all in. Yeah, we saw it during the hurricane. We saw it obviously during COVID we in. Yeah, we saw it during the hurricane. We saw it obviously during COVID we did.
Speaker 1:We saw it. Oh, we've seen it at times. Obviously, I think in our lifetime, COVID was the biggest time that we saw it, y2k. Y2k was massive.
Speaker 2:Think about you know. Obviously I remember Y2K Duh. How old were you? I remember it, so I didn't ask that.
Speaker 1:I said how old are you?
Speaker 2:I actually don't remember it exactly.
Speaker 1:I was one year old because I was getting to say there's no way, because I was 10. Yeah, I remember it. So I was at two. I was at a buddy of mine's house and we were just having a big new year's party. It was these people we all went to church with. So, like it was good, good group parents were, I mean, they, um, and you know, we, we didn't understand anything. We were 10. So well, I was almost 10, because my birthday is january. So nine time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can remember sitting in his uh, their little computer room. We turned the lights off. Because we're like I mean our parents, we were that age, they were letting us stay up. So we're like I mean our parents, we were that age, they were letting us stay up. So we're like, oh, that's the coolest thing, ever. So like we're watching like a tower, just like this, and the light flashed and we're like what if that turns off? Right, I know right. What if these lights don't turn back on?
Speaker 1:Because, like that's what everybody's preaching. Like hey, the computers don't know how to turn to 2000. They are programmed.
Speaker 2:It's like looking back now you're like how dumb is that, that they were programmed to go 1999 and couldn't understand how to go farther, that everything was going to turn off, and so you have Y2K. I remember 2012.
Speaker 1:That was what? Aztec calendar? Or Mayan calendar, Mayan calendar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's supposed to be the end of the world. They made a movie about it. They did.
Speaker 1:That's how popular it was.
Speaker 2:They did I remember where I was when they said that, like at this time, that's when the waves were going to come over the world.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I was at Mass. I'm not even Catholic. I remember sitting there and I was like I was going to say.
Speaker 1:you just said Mass, I'm like, but you're not Catholic.
Speaker 2:Why were you there?
Speaker 1:I was with my neighbors and I was like, maybe I should go I was like I think I'm in the right place. I think I there could be worse places to be than here during this time.
Speaker 1:Well, so, speaking of that, though, there's a theory, is what I'll say on it that my phone lit up. It thought I said Siri. I was like why are you yelling at me? So there's a theory about the popes, because obviously we just had a pope pass away First Hispanic pope, or Mexican pope, I guess it was and he just recently passed away the popes, because obviously we just had a pope pass away, yeah, uh, first hispanic pope or mexican pope, I guess it was that, and he just recently passed away. And the theory is, is that the theory is there's only supposed to be one more?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, he's supposed to be named john, and after that's the end times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they're saying that's basically going to be like a four to seven year period, because typically the pope is not really there that long. Again, this is very to me. In my mind is very much like the whole Mayan calendar, the whole like we don't know when times are coming. That's the whole point of it.
Speaker 2:And who is saying this?
Speaker 1:Because so that has been something. Now I will say this when it comes to the pope stuff, it's been predicted correctly every time for like the past, like 12.
Speaker 2:yeah, it's like okay, that's weird it's weird, but you know, biblically it says but again they were like god knows all that they correct.
Speaker 1:they would correctly predict a first name and like another, like something. It's like no offense, but in that religion those are pretty common and also popes pick their name Correct.
Speaker 2:If they knew this is what our prediction is, then I'm like, well, I'm just going to pick that.
Speaker 1:Well, but then you think about it too If you have dreams of being a pope, because these are all cardinals that then have to get elected. It's a political thing more than anything like. It's way more political. We saw that 100, and so if you're a guy that has dreams of being it, I'm picking that name. Go down the list like hey oh, they're probably gonna vote for me because it's been ordained that. I'm supposed to be, so it's like yeah, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2:And we haven't had a good end times prediction in a while. I guess this.
Speaker 1:but no, not really there's not been, but I don't think there are as many because a lot of the stuff stopped in 2012. And there's a couple like 15 16 based on something happened. Yeah, 15, 16 to um, but obviously then during covid we had something, but like we've kind of gone almost five years and haven't really had that, like hey guys there is.
Speaker 1:There is a moon headed for us okay and it is going to destroy is that the asteroid or whatever that's supposed to hit like 2027, yeah, yeah, so I I read some on that and they're like, hey guys, it's bad, it's gonna hit us. There's a three percent chance. Yeah, it's like I know, we're like I know. Obviously, 3% is still a good chance because it's not zero Right, but there's a 97% chance that it doesn't and again you kind of made the comment biblically. It doesn't In the way we believe. We are not going to know the end times.
Speaker 2:No, and you know what? Thank God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I, that is definitely something people shouldn't know. No, Like hey, on this day, on this year, at this time it's over. Yeah Well, so for some people it would be good. For most people wouldn't be, because there's some people that would live very differently if they knew, but there'd be a lot of people that would live a certain way for a certain amount of time and then right before they get right, yeah yeah, which again that's.
Speaker 1:That's no better, but no, so you're. But you're right, we haven't had a true like I'm kind of ready.
Speaker 2:hey guys, this is an guys, this is an end time. Where are they at? Let's go, let's talk about.
Speaker 1:Well, so there's been the rumors of like we're going to have another, basically plague of some type we're going to have, and it's like. All right, you guys already tried that, I did.
Speaker 2:I don't. I'm a reader that is basically claiming that we started COVID in the United States.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's any question to that in my mind, and it started in North Carolina. In North Carolina really. So I always imagined Atlanta, because that's where the CDC is, yeah, headquarters.
Speaker 2:So like that to me just makes sense it started at a university towards the middle of the state that, um, you know, I'm not gonna lie to you, I'm not surprised. Oh gosh, here we go. I'm not surprised it would start here. Yeah, um, I don't know who they let walk their halls as students or professors, and you know, it makes so much sense, just keep going.
Speaker 1:No, just keep going.
Speaker 2:The article reads this is such a predictable article that coronavirus started at Chapel hill with their researchers. However, the first outbreak was in 2015, but because coach k won a national championship, it stopped.
Speaker 1:It stopped coronavirus. That was the antidote. So, if so, what you're saying is because duke failed to continue winning championships.
Speaker 2:That's why it happened people act like winning is so easy. Do you know how hard winning?
Speaker 1:is oh my gosh yes, I agree.
Speaker 2:And you know what this is such a good segue? Oh gosh, here we go To talking about us as fans, as parents, as coaches. Even we take winning for granted much that we value every season.
Speaker 1:And the higher the level gets, the harder that gets. Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 2:We put all of our value into winning and, man, it is so hard to win basketball games, it's so hard to win football games. It's so hard to win basketball games. It's so hard to win football games, it's so hard to win baseball games. And I think that we as a society need to do a better job of just understanding that it's so, so here's.
Speaker 1:Here's what I propose. Okay, you still got time to work on this. You're only 21. So, yeah, what 26, 7? Yes, when you turn 27? October. I see you got it, so you still have time for this. All right, you feel very strongly about this. I can tell Like it's going to be your lifelong passion. At this point, it is up to you to change it.
Speaker 1:I'm going to put that on you so either you've got to figure out how to get Listen. I'm 35. Technically I'm eligible to be president, but I didn't start early enough, so I don't have the following. You got time.
Speaker 2:To run for president. Is this what you're trying to get?
Speaker 1:No, I'm not, not president I'm just thinking politically, you think I?
Speaker 2:could I appreciate that I didn't say I'd vote for you.
Speaker 1:I just said you should start now to see if you can fool some people in voting for you.
Speaker 2:I think I could. Maybe I should start a life in politics you know what? No, I can't, I would not I was actually thinking about this earlier. I was like, do you know how I? I can't envision politicians.
Speaker 1:I can't wrap my head around them as people, almost like they don't seem real they feel very, very far removed from humanity yes like why are we the life that they live is not the life that we, as normal, everyday people, are living very far removed?
Speaker 2:from humanity, yes, like the life that they live is not the life that we as normal, everyday people are living. I think it is comical, absolutely comical, that we, as humans on a planet, we lose friends, we lose jobs Over political affiliations. Over politics of American democracy. That blows my mind. What are we doing?
Speaker 1:That blows my mind. Yeah, like, what on earth are we doing? Like the fact that, if you say so, like for me, I am basically classified as independent. I am basically classified as independent. I lean way more Republican because anti-abortion I can never get behind that one. So, regardless of what is said Now, I'm not saying I'm full-blown as far as you can get, but that's the one thing.
Speaker 1:I'm never going to waver on period as you shouldn't like, that's just, it's, it's never going to happen. No, so that's where I'm always going to be considered. I'm more conservative, more republican than I am anything because of that alone. But the fact that if you tell most people that it's an immediate well, you're a chumper, you're this, you're that, and it's like no, I just don't believe in murder Like it's a pretty simple, simple thought, like it doesn't have to be just cause you are and I mean, I have some friends, and it's not many, because typically you don't have friends across party lines, which is such a weird thing, but I have some friends that are literally registered democrats, but it is like, as borderline as borderline gets, yeah, it's not for neither of us like, and the reason we can get along because neither of us.
Speaker 1:And the reason we can get along is because neither of us are so far in one direction. Because right now it is led by extremes on both sides which we knew we were going to see what we're getting now, like everybody's surprised at what we're seeing now. It's like no, this is exactly what was going to happen.
Speaker 2:It feels like we're trending back to the middle, though now.
Speaker 1:I think it has to.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I just think it has to well, I mean, I mean, I just think it has to, if, if it didn't, then this country's crumbling.
Speaker 1:We're about that mark 250, you know what I mean. Like yeah, that's typically where you see, you know so-called great societies.
Speaker 2:I think that number is actually skewed. Yeah, I mean, I agree, because they factor in the Holy Roman Empire into that number and I don't think that that is a fair estimate of empires. Hre was just different and you take that out. I think the average lifespan was something like 110.
Speaker 1:Really yeah. So we're well past that already.
Speaker 2:Now, the founding fathers actually didn't believe that this country would last as long as it has. There's many journal entries from founding fathers.
Speaker 1:How do you though realistically? Well, I mean, yeah, there's many journal entries from. How do you though, realistically, you found something like that, which was so radical at the time, to be like, hey, this is going to last we're doing our own thing.
Speaker 1:When you're like fully financially backed by a country or countries and it's like we don't want you anymore, we're going to do our own thing also easier because of the distance. Yeah, Like I think a lot of people take that for granted it's like it was much easier for us to pull away because it wasn't like we were next door. You had months worth of travel to get over here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Like at the time it wasn't like you hop on a jet and you fly over. You know, see in six hours. It was like we're starting our way. See you in three months, or hopefully.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, I was gonna say or maybe we won't see right, because that was the thing like that was a treacherous trip.
Speaker 1:I mean, I can't imagine um that trip in in that era, like I had a family member on it, the Mayflower. Nice, see my family came over later. We are Irish. Yeah, so, from what we can best tell, during the potato famine, when most of the Irish came over, that was about the time, but it was literally like our irish did not go through the cities, literally like settled in the mountains of north carolina, because then, like there's this tiny little percentage that is like native, it's like that's such a weird, weird thing to have weird, like literally like we left ireland and we're in the mountains of western North Carolina, just by happenstance.
Speaker 1:That's not a they didn't know where that was, it's kind of where they just ended up. Yeah, probably couldn't travel any farther.
Speaker 2:No, or whatever it was.
Speaker 1:So that's where I attribute and I've always kind of thought it had to be something like that. But I have so much red hair, especially in the summer, it really will get very much red in my beard and in my head, which now a lot of that's turning white because I feel like an old man, my hair's white too. I feel like that happens earlier now too.
Speaker 2:People getting white hair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's happening earlier in life than it used to. I think the stressors of our life is way more than what they were 60, 70 years ago. It is why I think that I don't have this whole like.
Speaker 2:I was going to say are we about to go down some? No, I literally just think it's like.
Speaker 1:I mean, you think about literally we talked earlier the stressor of having so much information at hand.
Speaker 2:It's really difficult, man.
Speaker 1:Everything you have like is a stressor now. So it's very, very different, which is why I think the same thing you have so many people struggling with, with anxieties, depression, like at that thing, like how could you more? Like it doesn't even mean anything. Yeah, it's like. Well, everybody's like, is that really anything? Because everybody's got these issues? Yeah, so it's really hard to to look at it that way, and I think that contributes a lot. I mean, screens are horrible, horrible for your eyes, horrible for your your mind. Like then the fact we keep a, we keep it in our pocket like guys, it's like all right. So when does the cancer in my leg start?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:There's so many, I don't even want to go back to that topic. That's just too. I know it's too much. It's such a hard thing as you pick up your phone.
Speaker 2:As I pick up my phone.
Speaker 1:You just naturally you do it, you don't even think about it anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't I don't even think about it.
Speaker 1:What was? Um, it's like a little slide. See, my first was a flip phone. Yeah, I had like a. It was a samsung. Yeah, like a little flip phone, because I remember going to the mall, a little kiosk, and buying a new face plate for it. That slid on, yeah, and I thought that was the coolest thing in the world. And looking back now I'm like gosh, that was like fisher price, like that was a piece of junk. Yeah, like, again, somehow we've managed to talk about this like four weeks in a row. It's 2025 and I thought about this today. The service here today, especially verizon, was horrible. I lost connection so many times. Our Our card reader at the range. It went down like two or three times a day. It runs off horizon like cell service Awful, we can't get cell service here. But then all the claims of things that we have done throughout, throughout time yeah, primarily the moon landing. Yeah, get out of here. We, we live landing. Yeah, get out of here. We had live feed.
Speaker 2:Get out of here. Also Go ahead sorry, no go ahead.
Speaker 1:You're deep in a thought right now. You go with it.
Speaker 2:I don't think dinosaurs were real.
Speaker 1:Ooh, so what are we finding?
Speaker 2:nothing, nothing fossils. What even is that?
Speaker 1:no, but I mean like, because that's what so many scientists like. Have we found bones? They say it's fossilized bones whatever well.
Speaker 1:So my thought on that is have you ever seen like a hippo skull? They did the whole. Have you ever seen like a hippo skull? They did the whole thing. It was like just a hippo skull and they're like we're going to use our technology and recreate what we think that looks like and they make this thing and it's like this beast of a like scary, scary looking creature and they're like. But here's what it actually is and it's this hippo.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And you're like in my mind. I'm immediately like we have no clue.
Speaker 2:What even is science? Oh gosh, Science is human made.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:And humans have error, yeah, and we're wrong a lot. I mean, unless you want to start.
Speaker 1:I mean people are saying so it depends on where it came from though, cause if you go back to, like, the tower of Babel, where that was given, there was a lot of science, technology given by divine creatures that shouldn't have had technology to give, but they did so. If any of that's still around, technically that would be we shouldn't have it. It's very advanced against god for us to have it, but, yes, it would be way high level, right, yeah, yeah, so trusting the science is such a hard thing because it's like and again you'll see that as a trust the science when it comes to a vaccine, but then trust, trust the science when it comes to to abortion, then trust the science about global war, and it's like you have all these things and it's like we only use that when it's something super controversial, right, that's where that comes in, right? That to me is more marketing than anything. Yes, so I see what you're saying with it.
Speaker 1:So my thought going back to, like the hippo, because fat, muscle cartilage doesn't stay around, those things deteriorate. The only thing that technically would stay is bones. We don't know what these creatures look like or even remotely look like, because this whole oh, here's the T-Rex we're saying it's this absolute killing machine, muscle, nothing but, and it's like it could be this fat thing that moves around that couldn't do anything. Yeah, like maybe it was a scavenger, like there's so many little things. It's like we're really making a lot of assumptions. Yes, we are People making these assumptions have such a I'm right, you're wrong, don't question it. It's like why are you right? What makes you right in this? Because you studied, but what made those people right? That taught you?
Speaker 1:I'm saying it's such a weird rabbit hole to go down because it's so questionable, but there's so many people that don't question things like that. It's literally. They told us this, that's what it is. Okay, they told us this, that's what it is.
Speaker 2:Okay, man, I'm just telling you we like to believe everything our government has told us.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:My dad couldn't tell us the truth about everything when we were growing up. What makes you think the government is going to tell 6 billion people the truth about everything? Yeah, where are we losing it where our spouses or our, our teachers or whoever right bosses don't tell us the truth? What makes you think that this dude sitting in an oval office is going to just be all of a sudden honest, ab Abe Well?
Speaker 1:that's the thing, and that's not even talking about this president.
Speaker 2:It's every president.
Speaker 1:It's every bit of government.
Speaker 2:So were we losing that? That we're just mindlessly following and mindlessly just saying yes.
Speaker 1:We're so far removed, though, from our original government. We're so far removed from what the republic was supposed to be. Yeah, because that was. I mean, they designed that to be a very small-scale government, which, again, they were designing for a much smaller country too. I will say that.
Speaker 2:Big governments for the birds.
Speaker 1:So we knew the government had to grow Just because the size of the country grew. Nationally it's going to grow, but it didn't have to grow to what it is Like. There was a guy I was talking to the other day and he's like, well, big government's bad, but we have to have it. And I was like we really don't have to. We have to have government. Yes, I don't think there's a question about that. You have to have government.
Speaker 1:You don't have to have big government. Doesn't work in any country. It's just it's corrupt, like there's too many moving parts, you can't keep track of anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like when we were buying $2,000 toilet seats with military spending and Iraqi war.
Speaker 1:Right, well, but that's, but that's little things, well, and we saw this a few years ago and I, you know, I think Nancy Pelosi is crazy. She's psychotic woman. She's spending half a million dollars a year on liquor on her private jet. It's like who's paying for that? Right, we are, we're, we are, because she, salary wise, doesn't make anywhere near that. So, but then that that leads into the whole, like the stock market moves that they make before anybody else knows. It's like, hey, that's insider trading, yeah, but we don't do anything because it's like, oh, they're government, right? No, it's still wrong. It's still wrong, like I don't care who does it.
Speaker 2:Well, Phil Nicholson got yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he's not government though, no. God Phil, he's so polarizing though I love him, the amount of money he's lost gambling.
Speaker 2:I know it's crazy.
Speaker 1:He's lost more gambling in his life than I will ever see. Yeah, like not ever seen. Yes, yeah, which blows my mind.
Speaker 2:Me too the amount of millions.
Speaker 1:They would bet Literally millions, like over a six hole span. It's crazy. Like I so typically what we always do, go play golf you get to a par three every $1,000, close to the pin gets it. Typically there's four on a round of golf. I know the most I can lose is $4. So I'm like and even then I'm like, man, that sucks. Yeah, I lost with four bucks. I can't imagine Cause I mean I know guys they play like $20 a hole yeah.
Speaker 2:It's crazy.
Speaker 1:And I'm like why? Where are you getting that money from? Yeah, because sure I would love to win it, love to win it. Sure as heck don't want to lose it. Exactly, I'm like I don't know what I would do if I lost it. Right, I don't have that disposable like that. But I mean a good buddy of mine I was talking to today, like the amount of money and time they spend in a casino, like they love it. That's just something they enjoy doing. He's won thousands upon thousands of dollars. But I'm like what have you lost? There's so much that you've lost. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1:I've talked to him about his thoughts on how he does it and he does it pretty well. He's like for me, I treat it as, instead of going to a show, I'm going to have fun. That's my entertainment. I take whatever amount of dollars I've decided that's all I got. So I either make or lose based off of that. And he's like if I win, that covers that, that goes back in. So now I'm out zero. Now I play on anything plus.
Speaker 1:I'm like alright, that's smart. So like, yes, you probably lost a ton of money, but you lost it as, basically, I went to a show, right, like that was my entertainment for the night, right, I'm like all right, that's a smart way of doing it. 99 people don't do it that way. They are at the atm a hundred times that night. And I mean he was telling me he's like there's a game when you first walk in. It's like a wheel of fortune type thing. It's a hundred dollars per spin, like. I saw the look on your face when I said that you're like about to faint, I know a hundred dollars per spin yeah and he's like when we walk in, we always see people on it.
Speaker 1:he's like we sat there when we first walked in, hadn't even like gone in to get like really cash in or anything. He's like when we walk in, we always see people on it. He's like we sat there when we first walked in and hadn't even gone in to get really cash in or anything. He's like these guys probably did eight spins, didn't win anything, and I'm like that's $800.
Speaker 1:Immediately Just gone, no way. I'm sitting there thinking, all right, well, who am I calling to pay my mortgage this month? Like seriously, that's that's crazy. Yeah, no way. And that's that's another thing. Like how to? How did we make casinos such a thing? I don't know, because the amount of money they move is crazy. Crazy because you think about like, oh, there's such and such one, tens of thousands, cool, good for them. Tens of thousands of people just lost tens of thousands, so it's like they have so much coming in and out. The amount of money that moves in our country, though, as a whole, is just, you think about just our business. Here we were talking about some of the budget stuff, like the stuff that's moved in the past five days. It's crazy In such a small area, and you're like think of a place 10 times our size.
Speaker 2:Like I know that blows my mind. No, I agree.
Speaker 1:Money that can move as quickly as it does, cause I mean you think about it like you get paid, it feels like it's gone before it hits your account. Oh, gone before it hit your account oh it is, it's like what like? What the heck like? Why I? I just, I want my money but it's not there so yeah, I mean, I don't know, we've been a little, a little everywhere we have been but um, so one, one final thing.
Speaker 1:You went to dinosaurs and that took me a different direction. But I was thinking because I was thinking about the whole moon landing thing I was thinking about how obsessed not just our country but our world is with space. Does that bother you at all that we're so like we want to know what's out there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it does bother, me, I think.
Speaker 1:What bothers me the most is we don't know what's out there. Yeah, it does bother me. I think what bothers me the most is we don't know what's here.
Speaker 2:I mean the ocean's only been like 30% discovered, If that yeah.
Speaker 1:Like literally, I was waiting on you to show up tonight. I'm just kind of scrolling, you know, mindlessly like we do, and there's this guy that jumps off of a. Obviously I can tell it's a fake video. Yeah 100%.
Speaker 1:No doubt about it. He jumps off of it's like 30 foot of a platform into the ocean and I'm already thinking like nope, Nope, Nope. And they've edited this reel really well, so like it flows well as soon as it hits the water, there's a great white sitting in front of him. I'm like I will have nightmares?
Speaker 2:No, there's no way.
Speaker 1:I'm just thinking like I was telling you about the story from a podcast this past week I listened to. They were talking about the discovery of a giant octopus and they're like, hey, like they believe this is why people were talking about like the kraken and all these things yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like, hey, these octopus could potentially be like tentacles, a hundred feet, like the, the main head body portion, like the size of school buses. It's like that's hard to fathom. So when everybody talks about like bigfoot and loch ness and and all these things because you know, especially loch ness, that's a lake, like it's a much smaller area I have a way easier time thinking of something that exists, like still the fact that a megalodon is around like a full grown one there, definitely is that there are still plenty of giant squid, that there are some super freaky stuff in the ocean that we don't even know what it looks like, because not even that Like the areas that we so-called say is discovered.
Speaker 1:These things move and can move quickly in very vast distances, so it's like, and they have the senses in the water, so anything that they sense it's like, yeah, I'm just not coming near you, right? And it's all the time we're like, hey, we discovered a new species of something that we never knew was there, exactly. And this happens literally all the time, all the time.
Speaker 1:so I'm like I'm, I'm to the point, like, all right, I don't care about space, because I really don't like as a whole, like space now I think and you made this comment, the more I thought about it I'm like, yeah, probably so we go to space because it almost feels safer. I know like we obviously have no control up there and it's obviously not a safe space, but it feels safer than some of the stuff of going down does, because I mean you start talking like mariana's trench the pressure, the, the cold, like there's so many things.
Speaker 2:It's like those people that died. What lives down there?
Speaker 1:right, like there's so many things that live in areas of the ocean that were like, oh, nothing could live there, and then we find a species of something it's like yeah, if that's there, that means there's a food source there exactly that means there could be plenty of bigger stuff there exactly so that that's to me the ocean.
Speaker 1:It's like the fact that beaches are as popular as they are and people don't think like I'm not even talking about like sharks the size of jaws, like near the land. But if you've watched that movie, how do you not have that in your mind? I know, I know, I agree, like that is terrifying. It's terrifying Because all the time like, oh, I saw a reel about a month ago. Off the coast of North Carolina there's a like 15-foot great white and I'm like Guess who's not going to those beaches.
Speaker 2:I'll stay in the mountains, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like I'm good he can't get me here. No, I mean all short of Sharknado. Like I'm good, I don't have to worry about that, I know, but that's I mean, that is like great, why is?
Speaker 1:no, I've said it on here outside of like killer whale Cause obviously killer whale like we always. We talk about great whites like no. Killer whales top Like they. They play with the sharks Like they, they control it, but they also don't hold much threat to human Like they could if they wanted to. They just don't really Sharks much more. That's what you hear about. So it's like, yeah, that's the one that's coming to get us, yeah, when in reality they don't want us either. But it's like Food's food man Exactly.
Speaker 1:And we aren't in control, and that's what bothers me, like being in deep water, like me. Like being in deep water like now, what, like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1:yeah, so any story you hear of like shipwrecks or plane crashes in the ocean my worst that they survive, that they're found and I'm like like how how this whole tiny life raft for like seven days out in the middle of the ocean and like the amount of stuff that had to come be like who's that Right? Like. But like not even anything at predator wise like dolphin whale turtle, like there shouldn't be anything out here, Like that's weird and I know this is going to draw you to like, uh, bermuda triangle stuff, cause we, we kind of had a little bit of that discussion.
Speaker 2:I want to discuss that, so I'm going to get your take on that next week.
Speaker 1:I don't want to go to it this week because that will probably turn into a long discussion because there's so much weird stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, I need to do a little bit more research. I agree with that.
Speaker 1:But again, there's so many things that's here that to me feels easier to look at than space Like it. To me it's way easier to launch a boat or the submarine technology that we have than it is a rocket.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:And, in my mind, way cheaper way cheaper I mean you saw the whole, uh, blue origin.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like this whole, like, oh, all these women. I don't care.
Speaker 2:No, don't care, You're not astronauts.
Speaker 1:You didn't fly, you weren't the crew, you were a passenger, exactly Like. That's very dumb to me. But the amount of money that cost to send them up there for 10 minutes, like start to finish 10 minutes, not even like we sent you there for a week and you came back. I could have more thoughts on it if you were there longer, but the fact that it was like we went up there and came right back down Millions of dollars spent.
Speaker 2:Who signs up for that?
Speaker 1:Rich people. I don't know, I will never have that kind of money to really have to care about those kind of things. Maybe either I will never have that kind of money to really have to care about those kind of things Me either. I'm not a lottery player. Would love to win it, but you can't win if you don't play. I mean barring some crazy something happening coming into a lot of money, that's not happening for me.
Speaker 1:I mean not those kind of numbers Like they won't release how much that actually costs, but the low ball is $500,000 a ticket. That's the low ball and to me that seems way too cheap. Way too cheap for something like that Way too cheap, yeah, so it's believed to be much higher like north of like one and a half.
Speaker 2:Yeah, per person.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. Like you have that kind of disposable. You could do so much more with that money.
Speaker 2:You could change a lot of people's lives with that money. Yeah, you could change this guy's life in Brevard, north Carolina. It really needs it. They could just use 1.5 mil.
Speaker 1:So you think about what you make now, not asking don't need you to tell me nothing like that, trying to make me upset. No, but it's so. I had this thought and it's it's like kind of depressing in a way, when I first started my previous previous employment. And they're like all right, barring any any you know pay, raises, any you know cost of living stuff like your number stays the same. 30 year career, which is typical in those type of employment jobs yeah, doesn't even equal a million.
Speaker 1:And then you think about athletes, not even like your high level ones, who make that like you're like low level guys making three times that in a year and it's like man, like the workers that literally keep the the country running. That's not where the money is, so there's not that kind of pay. Yeah, and it's just business, unfortunately, like it sucks, but it's just the way it is, went pro in something other than sports yeah, I remember those commercials.
Speaker 1:I know NCAA did them. Most collegiate athletes go pro in things other than sports but of course, on the commercial it's all like surgeons and lawyers, these high level jobs, half these people getting communications degrees that are like working at burger king, like that it's not.
Speaker 2:That's not how it works it could have been you.
Speaker 1:I mean, you could have been a burger king, except I was closed down, I know well, maybe you could have saved them.
Speaker 2:yeah, I probably make about the same amount of money as I am now. You might make more. I know I hate to say that, but you might.
Speaker 1:I'm fading, I can tell. So next week we'll probably have some Blue Ridge Mountain stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I'm already like yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm already going.
Speaker 1:I've been very intrigued in some of the little stuff that I found already. I think there could be some interesting stuff, but I also want to look like, like I said, I have a hard time with like the whole Bigfoot and the whole thing, but there are some stories of some like local creatures that I'm like yeah, I kind of want to look into those too, just because it's it's here supposedly here, supposedly here, I like it.
Speaker 1:I mean now what we're told right now, the only like predatorial thing we have is coyote bobcat. There are still plenty of people that believe mountain lions are here. They are here. There's plenty of people that say they're not. The state says they're not. Yeah, but I have proof. I'm not questioning you, I'm just saying that's what a lot of people say. Well, uh, I mean, there's plenty of people that are like no, we, we've seen them.
Speaker 2:We see them fairly often, like dupont has montreal cameras all the time.
Speaker 1:Here's a mountain lion sunbathing on the rock well, that wasn't actually here, if you really look at it. Yeah well, the sun, this was actually colorado. Like that's what happens. Like that's the facebook comments at it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the sun, this was actually colorado. Like that's what happens, like that's the facebook comments like it's the stupid stuff, but what we're told.
Speaker 1:Like I said, yeah, bobcat, coyote, wolves are on the way, like we all know that, like they're all around us. Yeah, like wolves are on the way, like they bring them on, they'll follow the food, just the way it is, which, again, there are so many deer around here.
Speaker 2:Don't go to my house.
Speaker 1:We don't have to worry about them much. Yeah, like it's not going to be a human threat because of the amount of deer that we have. Like it's outrageous. Like I'm okay if they take a few. Like I've almost hit one like three times this week I'm sure, like going home and it's like around this one corner I bet here comes a couple. So I'm okay if they take a few of those, but with that I think that's going to be it for the week.
Speaker 2:Next week should have David back barring any crazy sickness, unless we get a ton of comments that say we don't need david no more listen.
Speaker 1:I already know of one email that's coming in. Yeah, will's mom. Oh, it's so much better that my baby gets to talk more.
Speaker 2:Yeah just give it more screen time, like I'm listen, I'm already in hot water.
Speaker 1:She already doesn't like me like I'm not getting a Christmas card. I'm not getting invited to birthdays. I've come to terms with it over this past week.
Speaker 2:I get it. It's a small list of people that make that cut. I'm definitely on that list.
Speaker 1:I'm on the list of you getting nothing. I'm not even getting the prayers at this point. I'm off of every list. Sometimes I don't get the prayers. Depends on how well you act. Yeah, did you clean your room? All right, I got you. So, yeah, I fully expect she's going to be so much better, like, go ahead and get rid of the other guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Like I don't even think she knows my name at this point no, probably not, but and she definitely is going to be like, yeah, will could do it by himself.
Speaker 2:I might get that suggestion. You should just start your own.
Speaker 1:Start it up, man, just don't call me to edit.
Speaker 2:I got to do as much as it is. I don't want to do more.
Speaker 1:That's too time consuming. But, as always, thanks everyone for joining the mess craziness that we are and the fun that we have with it. And, as always, if you have suggestions, please tell us. Find your nearest trash can and put it in there. No, I'm just kidding. We love to hear from you guys like Facebook, instagram, email, carrier, pigeon, I don't care. Like, if you want to reach out to us, do it. Like. We love the comments. We love the potential talking points. You know we've gotten a few from people like hey, what's your thought on this? And it's like I'm probably gonna bring that up to the guys Cause like that's interesting, so why not?
Speaker 1:So, yeah, anybody that's got anything like we, we love to see it. So, um, and you know, kind of moving forward, if you give us a topic, I will gladly shout you out because, like, I think that's a cool thing. If, if you're willing to kind of take your time, like, hey, I want to reach out and see if they want to talk about this, like I'm going to say hey, thanks to such and such for giving us this idea, because that, that, to me, is, I'm appreciative, that you're willing to kind of take your time and give us, give thoughts. But, as always, thanks for being with us and we'll see you next week.