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Aliens, Golf Drama, and Throwing Balls: Just Another Thursday Night
Conspiracy theories come alive as the Not Amused crew delves into the mysterious happenings in the mountains of Western North Carolina. Tyler, David, and returning guest Will share personal accounts of witnessing silent aircraft with bright lights moving at impossible speeds, connecting these sightings to the former Department of Defense installation that once tracked Russian communications during the Cold War.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn toward space exploration skepticism, with the hosts questioning how NASA transmitted live video from the moon when they can't get consistent cell service in parts of their county today. Their playful yet thought-provoking analysis of the political motivations during the Space Race makes for an entertaining segment that will have you questioning what you thought you knew.
Sports discussions dominate the second half of the episode, with passionate debates about inconsistent officiating in championship basketball games, NASCAR's approach to driver development, and the magic of Augusta National during the recent Masters Tournament. The crew celebrates Rory McIlroy's emotional victory while discussing whether watching golf's greatest events on television offers a better experience than being there in person.
Throughout it all, the chemistry between the hosts shines as they propose innovative ideas for team golf competitions, make friendly wagers on their abilities, and share stories about late nights at their 4U Golf facility. Their authentic camaraderie creates an engaging listening experience that feels like you're sitting around the fire with good friends, discussing everything from Area 51 to the Ryder Cup.
What strange technologies are being tested in the mountains of North Carolina? Why do officials seem to change how they call games from one half to the next? And could team golf competitions revolutionize the sport? Join the Not Amused podcast to explore these questions and much more in this captivating episode.
welcome back to the not amused podcast. Here again with tyler and david, and we are I don't know if it's really fortunate enough or unfortunate enough we've got will again with us. Um, no, really, we're happy to have him, it's.
Speaker 2:It's always fun having will around I heard he was a fan favorite, so we had to bring him back I told you.
Speaker 1:I think the only person that told us that was his mom.
Speaker 4:I don't really know, is that who sent all those emails.
Speaker 1:That's where those emails are from. You know she created like 10 different ones.
Speaker 3:It was my burner email account.
Speaker 1:It was just you sending it all like hey, you got to have that guy back on.
Speaker 4:I was really good.
Speaker 2:I mean, Will was really good. That's. That's exactly how that was. I just thought that was a typo. I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it all starts to make sense when you really step back and look at it. So yeah, but no again. I don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing, but we've got Will with us so we'll have some fun with it. But it's been what? Three weeks in a row now with a guest.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Will Brian Will. So, that's always fun. I like having people on, but real quick, before we get too much into it, not Amused podcast is always sponsored by 4U Golf Brevard, north Carolina, only top tracer range in all of Western North Carolina that is public, available to everyone, open 7 am to midnight year-round. So if you haven't checked it out, please do so. 4ugolf828, which is F-O-R-E the word golf828.com, so I'm on a streak with that.
Speaker 2:So I'm very proud of myself. You just misspelled it, but I'll let it run.
Speaker 1:I know I've got really distracted at what's happening over here because we're recording on site.
Speaker 2:Again.
Speaker 1:We're out here by the fire it's actually really nice by the fire and it's a group of like 30 to 40 something year olds and they're playing go fish and he got really excited over something he just caught so that's why it really distracted me, so a little add in that moment.
Speaker 3:Can I speak about the range for just a minute please go ahead yeah, um only good things yeah, if you were to come to the range in the next week. Um, the closest to the pin is not good you only say this because you're currently winning, please you Please steer away from it. But thanks for bringing up close to the pin because currently not amused podcast is sponsoring this two weeks of close to the pin and I need $50 more than you guys know.
Speaker 2:So how close are you right now?
Speaker 3:Not that close.
Speaker 1:I'm one foot 11, but it's. It's only 120 yards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you better keep swinging, cause somebody's going to say that.
Speaker 3:I got it pretty quick, so I'm hoping to come back out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so come try out Close to the pin contest. There's no entry fee for it. Basically, come by Basketball's, hop on to the Chop Tracer board, register for the event and you can join in. It's a 120-yard shot, so it's pretty simple for most people.
Speaker 2:It's not, it's not gonna be like it is last day of the month last day of the month, fifty dollars to the closest and if you happen to get a hole-in-one, two hundred dollars and that's every person that makes a hole-in-one.
Speaker 1:So if we have like five hole-in-ones we're gonna be broke.
Speaker 2:But we're still gonna until not a user runs out of money pretty quick, so we gotta be careful with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, will will be here a lot over the next couple of weeks trying to make sure that he keeps that.
Speaker 3:Yes, he's going to be tracking every morning, when he wakes up, he's going to refresh the app and check out where I'm at.
Speaker 2:Just keep going and get the whole little one. You don't have to worry about it Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you're talking about $50. What about $200?
Speaker 3:No, that is the goal.
Speaker 1:I mean about 200. No, that is the goal.
Speaker 3:I mean you've got competition because there's a certain someone you know will be here. I know and I'm planning on being here just as much as him and he wins.
Speaker 1:He's won like five of them at this point between last year and this year and I've won two you've won two. You went back to back trending. Yeah, I'm trending in the right direction finally, after some horrible golf you played a few weeks ago, it's glad to see you can actually get it off the ground again, I know. So that's very nice.
Speaker 2:That's the game of golf you never know what you're going to do, especially if you're an amateur.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing David has new clubs. We haven't talked about this.
Speaker 2:I've hit four balls. I know.
Speaker 1:I was so busy, I haven't swung.
Speaker 2:But David's. I was so busy I haven't swung.
Speaker 1:This has been a crazy busy week, so he's going to be swinging soon, which you have to be because we have a tournament coming up, I know, In just a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2:The bag's going to look good. That's all I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, but we're bringing a particular person with us that I always tell our other partner, paul, that's going to play with us. We're just going to keep his clubs clean and make sure he's hydrated because he's our win con. That's the guy that's going to do it for us. We're looking forward to upcoming golf season. Like I said, david, getting new clubs is a big deal because we waited three weeks after mine came in.
Speaker 2:Made some changes this round when I got fitted so I'm hoping to see some improvements Because.
Speaker 1:I can't improve.
Speaker 2:So I'm hoping the clubs help me improve.
Speaker 1:I just want to see you be able to chip again. Is that something you used to be able to do and then you could not do with your last?
Speaker 2:set, that last set of clubs. Something about them. I could not. It just wasn't there. It wasn't there.
Speaker 1:But it'll come back, so is that why you lost the wedge, because you just hated it so much somebody has.
Speaker 2:I keep waiting to see somebody like hey, I found this here.
Speaker 1:It's awesome. It's going to be yours yeah, you're gonna know by the grips it's 56 56, I think.
Speaker 2:It's a half inch short, quarter inch or something it's got a nice grip on it. Yeah, barely hit the grooves are like I mean, maybe I hit something with it I didn't like and I just threw it.
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't remember throwing it, but you know, maybe it was a fit of rage, and yeah, but if you did it here, you threw it in the field and I would have found it, or drove over at one. That's a good point yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somebody's got that in their bag, but that's okay so, no, you're back to back to a full set.
Speaker 1:Good to go now. We got to get you back out there and it's mainly because I really got to get you on the discussion we had before of food at the turn at these courses.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm all about the food.
Speaker 1:So you can start rating them. I'll rate the course. You rate the food. Will's along for the ride.
Speaker 2:Listen, you guys play At the turn. Just drop me off. I'll bring out the burgers and the dogs and I'll take care of you on that part. I don't know many courses anymore that do burgers.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's all hot dogs or sandwiches at this point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Because the one never existed. I'm not getting in that conversation.
Speaker 2:Bill, did you ever play at Broadmoor?
Speaker 3:I have. I've played there a few times.
Speaker 2:Okay, did you ever see a guy?
Speaker 3:grilling out on the balcony. Grilling out on the balcony.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see.
Speaker 3:Did you ever eat there? But when I went, the Region 8 put on for head coaches. They put on a big tournament, so that was a specialty, it's different and it was like a captain's choice tournament, and so we went and played in it and that's where I saw them. I don't eat at golf courses, though, really no, why.
Speaker 3:Well, one, I'm broke and two I just like golf to me seems like an athletic event, and so when I was playing other sports at halftime, I wouldn't just go chow down a burger, I'll bring a Clif Bar or a Nutri-Grain Bar and eat on it.
Speaker 1:So you'll snack, but you won't eat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't, Because usually when I play golf it's weird times of day. I'm never playing. It's either late afternoon, between 1 and 6, or in the morning, and those are the times I don't eat.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing If you have like a 10 or a 10.30 tea time, right, which I just don't, because it's morning Front nine to back nine.
Speaker 3:switch is lunch Right but those tea times in the morning are significantly more expensive than in the back nine.
Speaker 1:So basically what you're saying is it's all about how you can save money and eating at a course, is not going to save you money.
Speaker 3:My goal is to spend less than $50 on fast food this year.
Speaker 2:This year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, where are?
Speaker 1:you at so far.
Speaker 2:I'm at like 12.
Speaker 1:I spent more than that today Well it's a little different though, individual or family.
Speaker 2:I know, so you've got to really be careful even where you pick to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, it's a little different though, individual or family, so like I, so you gotta really be careful, even where you pick to go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I mean, I don't have to stop at fast food like. I have, like you know, food at home.
Speaker 1:So I forget as a single man. You have time?
Speaker 2:I gotta say, for me it's convenient yeah, I don't want to eat fast food. I'm so sick of all the fast food but I never have time. I'm always on the go with something, with the kids or me or the wife or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pretty much I mean there's so much in life, it's hard to have time.
Speaker 2:The golf course you're missing out because I can always find myself. Either I can eat right before I tee off at the turn or grab something right as I'm leaving.
Speaker 3:But like a Clif Bar at whole. Nine will hold me over until 18.
Speaker 1:So here's my thing though Typically, if we go play now, we make it an outing, whether it's with the range or we like, we turn it into a a full on thing. So if, basically, we are paying, oh then the a hundred percent. Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 3:As long as it. So. If basically we are paying, oh then yeah, 100%. Okay, gotcha, as long as it's someone else's card.
Speaker 2:Cool that's all I need to know I get it. Hey, I eat more when it's someone else's card too. I don't know about that, like when we went to El Chapala.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, you feasted With Connor.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you feasted I would never have gotten that ice cream was like well, I mean all right if he's paying. I guess I knew I was getting one and I was like hey, bring him to the table and that thing was good.
Speaker 1:It is. That's so. That's how we typically do like our business meetings. Yeah, like it's, we will go to a restaurant because we know it's around that point there's no, there's not as many distractions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like your food is your distraction, but you're there and you can, but you can sit right in front of somebody Like I said nothing going on at the range, you're just talking Like us four was there. We were all at one table. Yeah, it's much easier that way.
Speaker 1:That's great, yeah so we'll definitely do some of that as we move forward, Because it's probably about time for a business meeting Actually we talked about this.
Speaker 2:I know what you're going to say Because we didn't pay to have somebody put this stuff together.
Speaker 1:We said we're treating ourselves to a business meeting, probably going back to longhorn, because that's been the longhorn's been the best yeah, well, our in local, our longhorn that other one was no, yeah, but yeah. So I don't know, maybe we'll sneak will out there with us. Yeah, we can do that. Treat him to a meal, yeah.
Speaker 2:He's a potential client or something We'll bring him.
Speaker 1:Investor. I'm a potential investor, but it's going to be like 30 years out.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:He's going to invest, we might get something out of him later.
Speaker 2:Sweat equity is what he's going to bring.
Speaker 1:He's helped a ton, as it is already Unplugging balls out here when it was 20 degrees.
Speaker 3:That was the coldest night.
Speaker 4:That wind was howling through the first night.
Speaker 1:I drug you out here and you're like yeah, I'll come help.
Speaker 4:I was like I don't think you know what you're getting yourself into.
Speaker 3:I had my heated jacket on and it was cranked. I had two sweatshirts on and a ski jacket.
Speaker 1:I was definitely dressed for it. At one point we couldn't hear each other talk closer than we are now, because the wind was coming through so much.
Speaker 3:We picked a lot of balls though.
Speaker 1:We did.
Speaker 3:There were a lot that was in January, wasn't it? It was.
Speaker 2:January is usually when we have to do a lot.
Speaker 1:We do a lot in January, early February. Yeah, when we have to do a lot, we do a lot January, early February. Yeah, yep, it's the first time we've had that.
Speaker 4:I know, it's surprising.
Speaker 3:I like it.
Speaker 2:It's authentic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, authentic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sounds like we're somewhere. You know dangerous Cops are coming. What's going on?
Speaker 4:That's definitely an ambulance 100%.
Speaker 3:There's a different cadence to that Former cop knows.
Speaker 2:There's a different cadence to that. Somebody still got shot. I mean, I don't care who's coming. Listen we have such an old community.
Speaker 1:Someone probably fell down. Like that's typically what's going on, like the amount of calls that they used to get for lifting assistance. It's literally because someone fell and can't get up.
Speaker 2:Like that is all the time. Well, you brought it up because I got this question for you. You said someone fell down.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:So we were talking last time Will was here about skydiving. And he's like no, no way, and we kind of talked about it a little more. But I saw this question come up and it made me think about it'm gonna get y'all's opinion. It's nothing, nothing bigger than sure when you skydive and you see it all the time. Obviously we've never done it, but why do they make you wear a helmet?
Speaker 3:exactly you see what I'm saying, like uh, what's?
Speaker 2:gonna happen to you like, because it ain't gonna help you if you hit the ground.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing, though, as you're falling, if something, some type of debris, anything was to come, but like, say, something comes off of your pack and hits you, they want you to be protected.
Speaker 2:I guess. But I'm like that's kind of the least of my worries If something were to hit me in the head and knock me out going down.
Speaker 3:It would be doing me a favor.
Speaker 1:You're going to be out cold if you do that. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3:I also think this I think it's almost just to make you feel better like I've got some type of protective equipment on well, so like it's a placebo at that, it's like the same thing as like you go on these cruise ships and they have like the, the safety boats and all the life jackets.
Speaker 1:So the first day you go sit through this meeting with the captain and he's like, hey, if this happens, you take the tables out and you do this. And here's your life jackets and you yank on this and it's like, yeah, 99% of these people. You are going to have to either do that for them or they're dead, like there's nothing. What good does anyways? Exactly, just keep the mail the night. I mean at that point. But if you look at most of those cruises go, they're not going far from land far enough.
Speaker 3:Far enough, they're not.
Speaker 2:I've never been on a cruise.
Speaker 3:I don't know that I can.
Speaker 1:I'm the same way. I don't know if I can. It's fun, it is. I've been on two.
Speaker 2:The one I got on. If I had decided to do one, it would be the one that the storm comes up out of nowhere and this thing's rocking and waves hitting.
Speaker 1:We had a storm come through on our last one but where we were at, you have land on both sides, so it was actually worse, because the water's basically bouncing off all the land. So you're getting shook, but at the same time, you look this way, you see land. You look this way you see land.
Speaker 2:You look this way. You see land like it. I get car sick easy if I'm not driving. I would never make it. That's why I drive everywhere, yeah the first cruise we went on.
Speaker 1:I was a kid, so I mean I was 12 ish, but we had smooth. Like you didn't even know you were on a boat, like it felt like you were just in a hotel, yeah, like there was no motion, no, nothing.
Speaker 2:I could handle that if it was guaranteed, but that's never yeah, of course you can't guarantee that didn't you and in your family go on a uh fishing boat or something and somebody got sick or took medicine or something?
Speaker 1:no, so we were actually on a mission trip in mexico and we did a whole thing throughout the week, and then your last day, they basically all were just like hey, this is a free day, let's hang out, kind of enjoy where you're at, and so this was friday.
Speaker 1:We fly out saturday friday uh, I don't know, I was maybe 16 or 17 and dad was there. He was kind of leading the whole trip and he's like, hey, I got us a fishing expedition, like a deep sea, like deep sea fishing, and he's like, but I don't know how most people are gonna react, so you at least have to take half a dream of me. We took an eight hour nap on a boat.
Speaker 3:Like nobody caught fish.
Speaker 1:Like we had one on. It was a huge Marlin Dad jumps in the chair, it jumps, spits the hook. It's the only thing we had all day. We literally I.
Speaker 2:I fell asleep, kind of laid back, so because of the medicine. Well, yeah, knock you out. Yeah, which for me, like I, should have never took it.
Speaker 1:I only did because dad warned me to.
Speaker 4:But knowing I shouldn't have taken it because I never, I'd never have an issue with that, like I don't get motion sick.
Speaker 1:I don't have anything like that, so I can. I would have been fine but at that point, looking back, I'd have been the only person awake on a boat and I don't speak what the captain and his, his crew speaks, so I'm like I just been hanging out I think we talked about this two weeks ago, but I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't do beaches, I don't like the ocean. The lake's okay, but I just don't do what is it?
Speaker 1:okay, I just say so the lake's okay yeah, so it's not that you can't see in the water.
Speaker 3:Then no, it's not that so what is so?
Speaker 1:because here's the thing, I'm with you. I hate the ocean, absolutely hate it. I'll go swim in a lake all day long. Yeah, could care less about that yeah, me too I'll get in both.
Speaker 3:I do think about it more in the ocean yeah, well, I feel like the ocean is like I'm not in control, yeah, we know, we know nothing about it.
Speaker 2:But you really think you're in control in the lake.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing.
Speaker 4:Okay, current.
Speaker 2:I guess I'm thinking more.
Speaker 4:But not even that.
Speaker 1:Creatures. Give me a lake local.
Speaker 3:Yeah, snake's the only thing I'd worry about. Yeah, we have nothing. I get that Like in the ocean. It's like if there's so many things and it's so big. There's so many things. People die out there all the time.
Speaker 4:Literally all the time.
Speaker 3:I feel like I can control my environment at a lake on a boat or a ski jet, I get the point, my wife.
Speaker 2:She won't get in a lake or nothing, because she knows there's stuff in there and she can't see it.
Speaker 1:That's the thing. If you are locally in a lake, literally your only thing is a snake Right. There's nothing else in our lake.
Speaker 2:It's not necessarily the creatures that get you, it's just all the other nastiness that's in there.
Speaker 3:Like rivers. I'm good I can get in any river.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's moving water, though too. It stays so much cleaner Most.
Speaker 4:I'll say most, I'll say rivers around here, local rivers. Here We've got some pretty good ones.
Speaker 1:There's one in particular that's not great, but some of the others are fantastic.
Speaker 3:Well, if you get above the fish hatchery then you're fine. Yes, from the fish hatchery to town. It's a little gross.
Speaker 1:You get down below that it can get a little gross, but yeah.
Speaker 3:Or if you're in the Davidson gross, you know it's shut down right now. Did you know that?
Speaker 1:uh, I had heard that yeah from the flood and everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I knew they took a lot of damage up there.
Speaker 3:It took a ton we were there today, which is crazy to think that there was flood damage that high.
Speaker 1:yeah, well, which I mean you really talk about all of western end of the state that got hammered, it's all high elevation. They got destroyed.
Speaker 3:We were up just two days ago. We were up way past the fish hatchery, like deep into Episcopio, yeah, and you can just see all the trees down. Like it's unbelievable, like the trails have just like had to be remade Right, like machines have had to come in.
Speaker 2:We've talked about that a little bit on here, but the effects that you still see. You know this. What are we six months after now? Or something?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that was end of September. Yeah, there was still a lot.
Speaker 2:I think it was the most traumatic thing I've been in.
Speaker 3:I would say it's the most like. Not that anything happened to me, but like.
Speaker 1:No, but I mean, you got to think about the people that you're around, Like you know, people that were directly affected.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. I mean it was here in.
Speaker 1:Brevard, like we weren't affected the same.
Speaker 2:So I didn't even lose it. We know people directly affected, but it was odd that next morning getting up and like no cell service, you can't get a hold of anybody. Yeah, you come through town.
Speaker 3:There's no electric, all lights out. I mean just kind of no internet, no cell service, no that was what was?
Speaker 2:I mean? Just difficult, my parents being in horseshoe right, and that's not that far away.
Speaker 3:No, it was 30 minutes, 45 minutes and couldn't really get there. I couldn't get there. We, like, I tried to drive there, like, and you couldn't even get within 10 miles from where I'm at.
Speaker 1:There wasn't really. There was one tree across the road. Somebody had already cut before I got there. I could go about anywhere from my house to town Once you start to get some of the outskirts even back towards your way there are so many trees down?
Speaker 2:I'm basically just off the main road and there are just trees everywhere. You couldn't get anywhere. Well, but I mean again, like you said, we didn't get the hard stuff.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I'm not sitting here saying we were super affected, but even here at the range, the amount we got hit by like. I can't imagine some of the swan and oa and all that. I feel like it impacted us all in some way, shape or form, Like yeah, well there's, there's a lot of people just like mentally storm itself Like it was just hard to hear people talk and I the.
Speaker 3:you hear the wind go by and they're like looking out the window.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just start to question it. And then we had that really bad but there's so many people that haven't been through really I mean honestly anything in their life that was difficult, so then that's the first thing they've dealt with and they went like a week with no self-service, like you had to go to Etowah at one point to get anything, or well even river, you know a mile or less from us. They're still tearing down mobile homes and houses yeah, so there's one just up the road here.
Speaker 3:They finally finished clearing the last house of and I mean it's so weird because, I mean I've in my previous job I'd visited those places, and now it's just flat there's nothing there, well, and that's like I was in nashville a couple weeks ago for a meeting and there's still like cars turned over in rivers oh, there's so, there's so much stuff they didn't even touch. No, like it looks like it just happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, six months yeah, if somebody's not been here and they just heard about it, saw it on the news, they probably done forgot about it. I think it's all better now. It is not. Oh, it's 100% not, no, too bad well, but that's I mean.
Speaker 1:Even some of our friends just back in kentucky and they're talking about it like, hey, how bad is it? Because the news is not really giving us the full the full breakdown because, I mean honestly, the news wasn't really working.
Speaker 3:No, he couldn't even get out here.
Speaker 1:We had local radio stations that were just like hey, if you can call us, we'll let other people know you're okay.
Speaker 3:It was bad enough to where the president was flying over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we actually got to see him fly from here. It was pretty cool, that was a previous administration, but they had apparently flew into Raleigh and then him and the governor, because we saw him coming through formation and I was like we see a lot of military stuff.
Speaker 3:That one's different. We know who that one is. We can really get into the military stuff we see in Brevard, North Carolina.
Speaker 4:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:If you guys want to go into that. So the stuff that we know about, right, because there are so many things that they're doing here.
Speaker 2:That is outrageous. I don't know if Tyler remembers this. It's probably been maybe a year ago. I show up out here one night and I said, hey, I just saw something over here and I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1:I know exactly where you're going with this, because I've, I've and he.
Speaker 2:He actually got in and went down to see if it was still there.
Speaker 1:I followed it, did you? I couldn't catch it.
Speaker 4:It was gone. It was moving so fast.
Speaker 2:I thought it was a helicopter, but it was these big bright lights and it was pretty low and I roll my window down and I'm getting closer and closer to it and I hear nothing. It has no sound whatsoever and it's just gone.
Speaker 4:But do you know?
Speaker 1:what that sounds like too, what exactly what was happening in new jersey for months? It could have been like and again, I don't think you're a alien person, I'm not at all, but and again, to me that's all it's some type of whether it's lockheed creating something new, or government that has some kind of technology, like, but there are so many things that get tested in our area because it's just like afghanistan, iraq, I mean, it's the same terrain, our mountain, specifically north carolina, west carolina mountains, is the exact terrain, yeah, of which is crazy to think, at least um now, do you ever come across some mountain biking and stuff in the forest and well, we see like government vehicles driving up the parkway towards like perry, but
Speaker 1:but here's the thing. Think about this how many trails you've been on, you don't know they're there. That's true, because I know some of these guys from all my previous stuff. I know that they're like oh yeah, we're here all the time.
Speaker 3:They've way out in the woods and people have no clue. They They've probably heard me crash.
Speaker 4:Should we?
Speaker 1:check on him.
Speaker 3:Nah, he's okay, they can't know we're here. And just a couple weeks ago we were at the ball field late, yeah, and I think we had just gotten back from a away game. Me and Dad were standing up top towards the press box, talking and coming from I guess it would be rosman area like this low flying with lights. It was low flying and we're like it's a helicopter right, but it was silent that sounds exactly like what I saw came like right over us.
Speaker 3:You could see like the metal of the like. It was that low and it didn't make a sound, like there was no sound and it was like am I? I guess this isn't you start wondering at that point like something wrong, like can I?
Speaker 2:hear right now like what's actually right, because I should be able to hear when I roll my window down.
Speaker 3:I was like, oh, it's a helicopter and I was like no, it's not, there's no sound, but it was like bigger than a drone, like much bigger than like what a drone would be. This thing was massive. It was like a huge helicopter, well, so here's the thing we're episode 21, 22, something like that, something strange.
Speaker 1:And we've never talked about what I previously did and we'll let it slip tonight, I know. And I thought it was hilarious because we've never once talked about it, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:No, it thought it was hilarious because we've never once talked about it oh, it doesn't matter and it's no, it's okay.
Speaker 4:Like I'm not, I mean, I say that like it matters to me, it's no. So there was a cia, come for me because I don't have that kind of knowledge.
Speaker 1:Uh, so I did 10 years of law enforcement locally and it's funny like you talk about drones and stuff, because like we've messed with a lot of drones I have a personal one, like I like to fly and stuff like that and like down towards where David lives, we used to get calls all the time there's something over my house, there's lights like kind of similar like what you're talking to, usually not as close that they were seeing it. Yeah, so I got the bright idea one night, two o'clock in the morning, we get one of those calls. I go down there and I'm like all right, I see something flying, like I could see it, my car could go pretty quick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I never caught it.
Speaker 1:It pulled away from me.
Speaker 4:I mean, I'm talking like yes, we've had this discussion.
Speaker 1:I'm like I was going rather quick, thinking like, all right, there is something, let's see what I can find. It could never catch it and it's just like that's some cool technology. Okay, so do we for you to be able to do that? That's cool.
Speaker 3:So all these stories we have here in this area, right? Is it like? What is our hypothesis Like?
Speaker 2:what do we go as it's coming from the department of defense area.
Speaker 3:Like is it coming from that old I think so Military research Institute that's up there?
Speaker 1:Like is that where it's coming?
Speaker 3:from Because.
Speaker 1:I think it's a mix. I think it's a mix, though I think there's a lot that comes from there, but I think there's a lot that comes out of South Carolina at some of those spots that they they fly from that you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:I think there's some of those that they just fly up the mountain because it's easy. Yeah, so they come up here for it. But yeah, I think there's a lot that happens at that old research facility that they're like oh, that was shut down many years ago, it's definitely not.
Speaker 3:They're like, yeah, that's no longer a government site, it's all declassified, it's all it has to be like operational, because why would there still be blacked out SUVs flying through Brevard all the time, like going up that way?
Speaker 1:Why is there still sections they won't let you go to, exactly?
Speaker 3:Cause they do. They do tours up there now I know they allow people in certain parts of the buildings but not all. But there's big sections that are like oh yeah, we it go that way. It's like a 300 plus acre. It's huge. Yeah, yeah, there's no way, yeah, and so for I guess like background.
Speaker 4:It was department of defense used to be in the cold war.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it was one of two bases in the world that tracked information from russia during the cold war, and it was in rosman brevard, north carolina, and then in argentina which is one of those like completely random things like why did we house that? And then argentina was, which is one of those completely random things Like why did we house that? And then Argentina was the other one. And those are the only two places that tracked information from Russia.
Speaker 1:And again, that's not speculation, that is a known thing. They have declassified that and said yeah, that's what we were doing there.
Speaker 2:So I think clearly it's all military stuff we're seeing. Does anybody believe it's something more?
Speaker 1:I have a theory. There's a ton of people, there's a ton of people that believe something more. I mean between us here does anybody think it's so?
Speaker 2:the stuff that I've seen here locally, the stuff that I've dealt with locally to me feels government-related.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I feel too. That's what I feel.
Speaker 3:Now Will's got a thought here. I want to see where this goes. Everyone knows that Nevada is home to Area 51.
Speaker 1:Okay, before you really get into that, I want to know what do you think Area 51 is?
Speaker 3:Well, okay, historically, we are producing technology for the next 20 years, correct? And so, like in the obama administration, we had, like those fighter jets that came out in 2013. Those were actually created in like the early 2000s, in area 51. So what area 51 is is like technology-based, like government-funded, like just scientists coming together and all they're doing is like testing these things to try to get our military like to a higher level technology wise and so so that's not aliens, it's not no, no, no it's technology correct and so my theory is, and I think they do some nuclear testing too with weapons and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:But it's almost like the perfect cover because, everyone thinks it's in Nevada. My theory and this is like it's the Death Star. I think that, and actually a woman wrote a book on it. I need to go back and find it that Area 51 is actually in Brevard.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's a jump, but okay that perry is home to the technology and to the nuclear testing, because she said in this book she's gone up there and she has found nuclear readings in our mountains, right, um, that there has been multiple eyewitness accounts to nuclear testing and that there is actually a presidential bunker in Western North Carolina to where, if we were ever in a nuclear fallout, the president isn't going anywhere but to Western North Carolina. And think about all the times that we've been like close to like, when DEFCON's been less than three than three, right, which was a lot. During the iraqi war, correct? Where was obama? Especially early, early stuff. Where was obama? He was here, it's true. Think about how many times he was in nashville area he visited a lot there, a lot think about how many times trump's come here?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, specifically the lake Docksway area.
Speaker 2:Exactly which is right down the road, right down the road.
Speaker 3:So I think that there is more to it than what we know. Actually, I'm almost 100% positive there is.
Speaker 2:But do you think there's any alien aspect to it, or it's just all technology?
Speaker 3:Aliens in my mind is so beyond this world. I don't even want to comprehend if aliens are real or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm with you?
Speaker 3:I don't think so. I hope not.
Speaker 2:I think there could be something. I mean, there's so much out there. It could be.
Speaker 3:But do we know that there's actually that much out there? Because that's the thing.
Speaker 1:That's the thing, we don't know our own planet, we don't off planet.
Speaker 3:Because we definitely didn't go to the moon, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I agree. Ask the people on.
Speaker 1:Facebook, though They'll tell you otherwise. They go into this whole argument of this is how we did it. It's like alright, then let's do it again.
Speaker 3:Why haven't we gone back? That's my biggest argument.
Speaker 1:According to NASA, we learned everything we needed to know the first time.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which has never been how science works in the history of science, yeah, which has never been how science works.
Speaker 3:In the history of science In the late 90s, we learned everything you keep studying over and, over and over, because you're going to find something new. It's just the way it works and, like space, okay. When we landed on the moon, how were we able to transmit a live satellite feed that y'all watched in class?
Speaker 2:Not y'all. I ain't that old.
Speaker 3:I forget, you guys are not that old. We are nowhere near that old. Okay, I watched 9-11 live. I did watch 9-11.
Speaker 2:As a kid I didn't watch the moon land. That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1:That would have been my. That was Now. I've actually I've asked mom about it. He remembers that being on TV.
Speaker 2:How, listen, I can't get cell service in part of this county right now. You're telling me that from the moon.
Speaker 3:We can get live television feed. Come on.
Speaker 2:I don't know who set the camera up before they landed.
Speaker 1:Then there's the people that are like, well, we actually went, but the video was staged.
Speaker 3:I'm like, if you're getting to that point, you're just wanting to believe what they tell you, but think about where we were as a country during that time. We had to go because we're in the space race.
Speaker 4:Sure.
Speaker 3:In the Cold War we had to beat Russia and China to the moon. But we had the best cinematography at the time Exactly, we were light years above everybody else when it came to that, and there's theory that we actually didn't make the nuclear weapon when we said we did.
Speaker 2:I don't think we did that time. I think all that staged.
Speaker 1:I don't think we've ever sent people.
Speaker 2:You don't think we've ever sent people back.
Speaker 1:Not a shot.
Speaker 2:I don't think so either.
Speaker 3:Think about Apollo.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 1:All those teachers just died, yeah, like boom, well, but they make this whole big thing of well, we just lost the technology. Yeah, that's not how technology works.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Once we figure out something, we figure out a hundred things after Not in our, I guess, lifetime, or even before our parents' lifetime, grandparents' lifetime. I could see you losing ancient stuff. But now the way we keep records and the way we do everything Don't get me into ancient technology.
Speaker 4:No, we can't go down that road we may get into the Watchers and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:We don't have time for that tonight. I don't want to get you into that. Gosh man, that's its own second podcast.
Speaker 1:That's a deep world.
Speaker 3:Very deep world Space to me. I don't think we've really searched as much. Think about how many times Musk has tried to launch rockets into space and they've just collapsed.
Speaker 1:That's the thing he's sent. He sent rockets. We've sent technology out. I don't necessarily think that we haven't done that.
Speaker 2:So sending the, like, the, the Mars Rover? Do you think it's real on Mars?
Speaker 3:I don't know. Okay, I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I.
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't think so. Like all these times you're like oh, we've got pictures from Jupiter Again. We have satellites that are working that well, but, like you said, we can't get cell phone coverage because the roof on my house is wrong.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I mean, I think you can get a telescope and look at stuff, especially high-powered ones, and see there's something out there, but that's from whether or not we can get to it I say that's the thing that's from here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying I think we can. We can kind of say there's something out there, but as far as getting to it, well, even like the global space station, isn't out of the earth's atmosphere no, no, it's still in the atmosphere yeah they say it's in space, it's the space station, but the thing about it they said, the international space station is gonna fall like in a few years.
Speaker 1:Like it's slowly already coming back. So that's not actually space then? Because it would be, it would have its own orbit at that point. So, yeah, very, very different.
Speaker 2:I think we're definitely just going to have to do like specials of all these conspiracy things.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think so too, don't get me going.
Speaker 2:We could spend a lot of time on a lot of different conspiracies.
Speaker 3:Oh, 100% Just.
Speaker 1:Well, because the thing is like you have the whole conspiracy itself, you have your belief on it and then the other opinions, like that just keep going. Well, but real quick. Going back to, like you said, local could be Area 51. My thought on it is so one Lockheed Martinin, one of the biggest aeronautics companies in the world.
Speaker 1:They have said on multiple occasions we don't tell anybody what we're working on, because once you tell the government, they want it in five years yeah like if we say, hey, we have this, they want it 100 fully operational, like we want a thousand in five years, and they're like that's not how it works. So, yes, they work on stuff for 25, 30 years. So the stuff that they've had for since early two, thousands that we're just now seeing, that's what kind of blows. My mind is like they've had that technology since we were kids, yeah, and it still looks that crazy today. That's what's nuts. But I also think, going back to Nevada, area 51, perry, all these things, I think there's so many of those stations that we just don't know about.
Speaker 1:I agree with that there's so many spots that you could hide that stuff, the same way that they supposedly hide nuclear missiles across the entire country. There's so many ways to hide that stuff.
Speaker 2:It's probably better that way. Normal population doesn't need to know I have to stuff going on. I 100% agree.
Speaker 1:We can't handle it there are things we should not know I agree.
Speaker 3:I just want so badly for it to be here, but I do want to know.
Speaker 2:Like we should know things, but I want to know yeah. I know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but doesn't that put you know other countries got to know? Yeah, but I say no, though, because you look how big this area is like this set of mountain ranges. I agree with that.
Speaker 2:I agree because I mean, you think about all the bombing they've done in afghanistan, like they don't know half the time if they're just buying land or if they're actually bombing something well, when my life's over, I'm gonna have a few questions regarding what's going on there, because I just want to know, please just tell me well, I don't want to change here too much, okay, but I do have something that we haven't talked about, and it's not a conspiracy theory okay duke did not make it to the championship game but will's gonna say I didn't think they would I kept saying they weren't going to keep saying that he did, that was a fallacy.
Speaker 1:That's just because he wanted to believe otherwise.
Speaker 2:Or was it a conspiracy that they didn't make it, because, I mean, there was a fallacy in the game that that was a bad call, I think we've been saying, for I mean, we've talked about it for months.
Speaker 4:The officiating has been pretty terrible Every level.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the first half of that game was really physical, because Houston plays a really physical style of defense and Duke, I thought, handled it really well.
Speaker 1:But then again, not to get away from that game, go to the championship game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was unreal First half there was four fouls in the entire half.
Speaker 3:And then the second half.
Speaker 1:it's like the second half there was 25.
Speaker 3:So, as a coach, how do you scheme at half?
Speaker 1:you don't, you can't, you can't because if you scheme for, oh, we're gonna play physical cool, which I prefer, that, I like that style better, but then you go to every little tic-tac file in the second half, what are?
Speaker 2:you supposed to do? You? You go in halftime of that championship game and you're telling your players all right, they're gonna call it physical.
Speaker 3:You gotta man up, let's go and you step out next half, and it's different. And that's just like a gamble, because, in the event, what if they didn't? What?
Speaker 2:if they just decided not to.
Speaker 3:And like I still think Duke had the best team in the tournament, probably so I believe that they were the most talented.
Speaker 2:They were a very good team.
Speaker 1:I thought they were the most well coached, that's what I and that's March Madness I can say I love the tournament, but most of the time the best team does not win.
Speaker 3:I'm just going to go ahead and say it I don't love March Madness why? I think it's just the baseball in me. I believe that there should be the true winner. The best team should always win.
Speaker 2:I've said that I want a series or something.
Speaker 1:I think there should be a series you look at every type of playoff scenario, even baseball, we have seen it. Teams that make runs. If you get hot at the right time, it doesn't mean you were the best team all year. No, I do agree with that Because, honestly, most of the time in baseball the team that has the best record does not win.
Speaker 3:And I believe across the board, single elimination tournaments shouldn't be a thing. I think that North Carolina's high school playoff is, I think, really bad For baseball. Yeah, because it should be two out of three.
Speaker 1:Single elimination baseball is very tough, oh for sure, in baseball.
Speaker 3:It's really hard.
Speaker 2:I don't like it in any sport, even football, which that's. I don't know how you would, even I was going to say- you play a series in football.
Speaker 1:But, baseball for sure. You're adding a whole other season at that point for a sport like that.
Speaker 4:For all the other sports they play so much as it is.
Speaker 3:It's a little different. I, most other states have moved to the series.
Speaker 2:At least two out of three.
Speaker 3:At the beginning.
Speaker 2:yeah, I do agree that the best team can still lose out, even in a series, but they have a better shot of getting the best team the champion.
Speaker 3:Because, when it comes to Final Four, I don't want to see 12 seeds St Mary's play number one over all of Florida. I don't want to see that I agree.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing, though this year we did it. This year was the second time ever we've seen all four number ones. It was great.
Speaker 3:Because of that. I thought the hype around it was better. I don't want to see the Cinderella that just finally pokes through the tunnel.
Speaker 2:I'm okay the first or second round.
Speaker 3:But when it gets to the Elite Eight, I want it to be the best Even.
Speaker 1:Final Four, though If I see your lowest seed, that's there. You've got a two and a three that make it. I'm like, all right, these guys are really good. Like you said, it wasn't a nine.
Speaker 2:I'm okay, even probably top five seed. I can see a five and still feel okay, I think.
Speaker 1:But after that, if there's four or five seeds, you're still seeing a top 20 team, exactly.
Speaker 2:A top 20 team. I'm okay with that. I get that. I like the tournament. I think what I like about it is just all the games so much action. I don't love the competition so much, like from what you're saying. And then this year we did see four number ones go and, like we said, I feel like the officials ruined it. We could have had some really good games.
Speaker 1:I think the officiating across the whole tournament was bad.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's just basketball, though I think it's every sport right now but again, I think baseball's in good place Baseball umps are not good right now.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of calls that are getting. Just in the past two weeks they're challenging every call.
Speaker 4:Well so the pitch challenge isn't happening yet. Like that's minor league.
Speaker 1:That's coming, it. It's coming to the pros.
Speaker 3:And I don't like it.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's a way it doesn't at this point, Cause every other league has something to the equivalent. I think they're going to. But just in the past two weeks, like we've had supposedly good officials missing 10, 15, 20 calls a game. It's like all right, that's a bit too much. We've got to do better as officiating groups. But in other sports not counting baseball, because baseball it's a little more stagnant, they have lines of sight. It's very much more still. Other sports athletes have never been as athletic as they are now. We said it a few weeks ago, I'm to the point, just to add more officials, the game's too fast.
Speaker 3:That doesn't mean I want more calls.
Speaker 1:It means, I just want more eyes.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's take basketball, for instance. Would it help to have ex-basketball players officiating that game?
Speaker 3:No. Because they're athletic they officiating that game no no because they're athletic. They're gonna keep up. They know the game. Most of those guys don't really know the rules.
Speaker 1:They're gonna think as a player, I believe, and I wouldn't want that call, so I'm not gonna call it. Yeah, it becomes opinionated and not actually by the book.
Speaker 2:I would never make a good official. I've said that numerous times. I want to pick a side, I want to be on a side.
Speaker 3:I want to win or lose it's all about flow too, right and so? And basketball, like, if the game is moving in a good pace, you can get away with not calling something at the front of the rim Correct, just because the game is moving at such a high pace, like you don't want to ruin the flow of it. That is like officiating. That's the human nature that I really enjoy, especially in baseball.
Speaker 2:Well see, there's some that would say foul's a foul, it doesn't matter the flow, If it's a foul you should call it regardless. But you're okay with kind of letting little things go if it's helping the game.
Speaker 3:I enjoy the human nature part of officiating.
Speaker 1:But my take on the whole officiating, especially thinking basketball, well, really basketball and football are the two things you see it the most because it is so quick nowadays the guys are way faster, way stronger, doing way more things than they ever have. Just period. I don't think anyone is questioning that.
Speaker 2:If you are questioning, that you're not watching the same thing, I think. Intelligence, Well yeah, the game. Iq is way higher.
Speaker 1:I mean, I even think that's coming from coaches. I think coaches, the chess game was way, way higher, yeah, and I mean I even think that's coming from coaches. I think coaches have become smarter.
Speaker 2:They're understanding the game the ins and outs, what they can and can't get in with, right to the edge of the rule as close as possible Correct.
Speaker 1:But I think again I'll go back to basketball, cause that's what I know the best, personally. These guys are like we said, the national championship game you can't go. Four calls, one half 25 the next. I'm not saying we should only see eight, that we should just double it, because you're going to get some more things, especially as it gets close. Late game you're going to get some fouls, it's going to happen, but they're just not. It almost doesn't feel like they are the one making the calls. It feels like someone else is saying, hey, we need this to be adjusted, we need this. It feels like outside forces are controlling what the game should actually be so, like in the championship game?
Speaker 2:do you think halftime they go in or talking with somebody else saying, hey, you only called five fouls, you've got to fix this second half.
Speaker 1:But to me I'd say, go back and look, what did I miss? Did I did I miss things that you think should be called?
Speaker 2:in that game. What do you think happened? Did they? Was there a lot of fouls? The first half they could have called, or they just ticky-tack everything I think it was physical.
Speaker 1:But I mean by definition. A foul is gaining an advantage. Physical doesn't mean you've gained an advantage, that just means like there's more contact.
Speaker 2:I think both could have been somewhere in the middle. I think there should have been a few more fouls in the first half, maybe a few less in the second half.
Speaker 1:I have to go back and watch because it's hard to sit here and say, well, yeah, you should just call more fouls, because then it just goes into the whole thing of then. Are we calling them just to call them Like, yes, the rules are the rules? I get that and I think and again I'm with Will I still like the human error of it, like you're still going to make some mistakes, but when we're making mistakes and we've seen games like close to 50 fouls, no, like you can't even have a flow of a game.
Speaker 2:I'm okay with the error. They're not going to be perfect, but if they see a foul, a foul is a foul. I don't care when it is in the game, I don't care what's going on.
Speaker 1:They're going to miss some. But if they see it call it, then you get to the NBA and it's not a foul unless they miss the shot.
Speaker 2:Because you see it, nba, though, they can take 20 steps.
Speaker 1:The gather is ruining basketball.
Speaker 4:I know Will doesn't agree with that.
Speaker 1:Me and Will have this conversation. I know where he goes on that, but they're to the point of like, if you have a live dribble, do whatever you want. Do whatever you want into a gather. If your gather takes five steps, it's, I'm gonna say you're seeing like five steps.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it's just I don't get it but not even that there.
Speaker 1:There's so much in the NBA that if you would just call it those guys, they'll play that way. They don't care, they can play anyway. If you tell those guys, hey, you're only allowed one step and we're going to call it, those guys are that good, they can do it.
Speaker 3:So it's not the players that have ruined the modern game, it's the officiating that's ruined the modern game.
Speaker 1:No, it's the commissioner.
Speaker 2:I was going to say I don't know that, I put it on the players. The players are playing.
Speaker 1:I think he has ruined the.
Speaker 2:NBA. Nope, nope nope, nope, awful, so you're a fan of the commissioner. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think he's awesome. Okay, go Duke. That's why, that's why he's a Duke grad. The. All-star game has never been worse the game is bad and that's an Adam Silver.
Speaker 1:He's admitted that, yes but he's the one that keeps making the changes, and he doesn't know how to make the changes. It needs to come out of his hands. He needs somebody else, but with your comment about the players. He's also let the players run the league.
Speaker 2:The players are only playing by the rules. It's kind of like with kids they say they'll do whatever you let them get by with. That's kind of what the players are doing. If you tighten that up, they would still play that way.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what I'm saying. Those guys could play, no matter what rules you put there.
Speaker 3:They'll play that way. They don't care. But I don't want to see a basketball game of Bill Lambert clotheslining someone through the lane. To me that's not basketball.
Speaker 1:No, so I'm not saying that we go back to that point, I just think I want to see an actual screen set, like the pick and roll game in nba is awful, because every, every person that sets a screen, you either are grabbing the guy or you run with him for 20 feet it's like well, that's not a screen.
Speaker 2:At that point well, most screens are moving screens. Anyway, that's what I'm saying like, and that's that to me.
Speaker 1:That's not a screen at that point. Well, most screens are moving screens anyway. That's what I'm saying. And that, to me, is I'm not talking about changing the game huge, I'm just like I just want to enforce the rules. That's all I'm asking. It's not even the fact of enforcing the rules. It's like that's not even part of basketball at that point. Not even going on rules or fouls. You're now just moving a guy out, Like this isn't an offensive line, Like that's not how it works, but that's what's happening and it's every single night, but that's happening in college too.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say the NBA is the worst. College is getting that way too. But I think it's a lot of sports like we talked about are seeing stuff like this happen and I don't know if they're trying to get more excitement. Are you seeing that in baseball? Obviously they try to get more scoring right. It's more exciting if you score more. Are you seeing kind of bend the rules a little bit to help that?
Speaker 3:Not really.
Speaker 1:It's not the same that you're seeing in other sports. I think it's harder to do in baseball too though.
Speaker 2:Because a lot of to say back because it's always been here, but making another push and, tyler, you made the comment the other day about seeing a lot of it in youtube and things like that that's really helping drive it.
Speaker 1:Well, I so again. I'm big into golf and golf is never going to be inside the top, the big four, like we know this.
Speaker 3:I feel like golf is in the best place has been.
Speaker 1:It's ever been. It's good it's it is bigger now than it was in the tiger boom.
Speaker 4:It just, it just is.
Speaker 1:But what I've started to see is, like David just mentioned, YouTube-wise YouTube. Golf has been so big for the sport there are now so many baseball content creators following the same thing. Golf has been doing Exactly and it's pushed really, really big and started to get really big in the youth again, which, again, you make it big in the youth, it gets big in the adults.
Speaker 2:We're seeing it local Like youth baseball and softball here in the area has grown like crazy.
Speaker 1:It's the biggest it's ever been. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:So the kids are getting involved and they're now going to games and they're excited and they're watching TV, and that's where it starts.
Speaker 3:Yeah, our games have never been as packed as they've been this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just keeps growing and growing, mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:How are you Good man?
Speaker 1:How's it going? You always get the few that just want to come see what's going on.
Speaker 2:Give him a mic, bring him on.
Speaker 1:I don't think you want that one to have a mic Just being honest, he ain't that far away right now, just so you know.
Speaker 2:I know I'd tell him that. I've known him, my whole life.
Speaker 4:Like I said, I didn't know who it was. I've known him, my whole life.
Speaker 1:There's some people that just don't need a mic in front of them All right. So I'm going to change topics to get on it because I got some notes, I got to talk here. You got some things.
Speaker 2:I'm good with it, dion. What is Deion doing? Have you seen the latest?
Speaker 1:Deion's always doing something. What are we upset about now?
Speaker 3:Wait, do we not like Deion? Is this a podcast that does not like Deion?
Speaker 2:So I love Deion as a player. I'm not sure I'm a coach. I don't like some of his antics.
Speaker 3:I think he is the truth.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, that's funny I know exactly where Will's going with this. Okay, going with us, um, okay, but okay, so real quick. We've talked about dion a few times. I think a few of the things he's doing now is a little annoying in the fact of retiring jerseys.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm talking about is a little, it feels a little excessive okay, his son and travis hunter played last year. Yeah, now what? Who Hunter won the Heisman right?
Speaker 1:So, hunter, I don't really argue as much.
Speaker 2:But not the year after no.
Speaker 1:So the timing, I don't think is right. I think it's too soon. His son is way too soon to retire a jersey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's what I'm talking about. He's retiring his son, shredder Sanders, and Travis Hunter's jersey they just played last year.
Speaker 1:They haven't even been drafted yet and they're already getting there.
Speaker 2:They had a decent season.
Speaker 3:Are they not the two best players to ever come through Colorado, though?
Speaker 1:So, but to me, if you're going to retire a jersey, it's got to be a few years down the road.
Speaker 4:I was going to say it can't be a thing. But I think for anybody.
Speaker 1:I don't even think it's talking about just those guys.
Speaker 3:I think for anyone you just give time Timing aside, they are the number one and number two players to ever play at that university.
Speaker 1:Is that the best records and best they've ever done.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2:They didn't have a very good record last year overall.
Speaker 1:Eight and four.
Speaker 3:I mean not like crazy, but okay, Eight and four is right, I think. For example, if I have a high school pitcher who breaks every pitching record in our high school and we're 500, his jersey is getting retired.
Speaker 2:Are you going to give it some time or are you okay with that?
Speaker 1:Again, hunter, I don't argue, I'm honestly saying Hunter because of the statistics. I don't argue Now. I don't think Hunter deserved the Heisman personally.
Speaker 3:I do.
Speaker 1:I don't think he was the best. He was not the best receiver in the country, he wasn't the best corner in the country, but because he played both.
Speaker 2:I think it hurt him playing both he needed. If he was at one of those two positions he might so the thing is for what he does.
Speaker 1:It put him on the map to play both. Like media-wise. It was way better for him to play both because it's visible, like you are always visible.
Speaker 3:We've only seen like two players ever be able to play both sides Correct, Correct, no, no, no and he was good at both.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:He was good at both.
Speaker 1:Good at both, but he was not great at both.
Speaker 2:There's a gazillion players that could have been great at both, but picked one. Either they picked it or the coach wanted to do it. Whatever, except most of the time, it comes down to coaching. Most of these athletes can do that, which I do get that, though, so that's what I get it. So that's hard for me to say, because all of these athletes, most of these athletes I only saw most of these athletes could, could do that and be very good at two positions, both sides of the ball. They just choose not to. So for me, that part is not even in the conversation.
Speaker 1:So I mean personally, I think he's a way better corner than he is a receiver. I think that Receiver-wise, statistically, he didn't have great numbers Like maybe within the top 10 of across wide receivers. So to me it's hard to say, well, he's the best this and he's the best this, because that's the narrative. Push Again. Am I saying he's a bad player? Absolutely not. He's a fantastic player, he's a great player. He's going to get drafted high and should, because he's a freak athlete. I think he's going to be a good pro. I think he is too. I just don't think in the NFL you should play both sides.
Speaker 2:I was going to say which position Is he going to try to play, both in the NFL?
Speaker 1:He just came out the other day and said if I don't play both, I don't play.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like I'm playing both or I won't play. So far, the only team that's agreed to it is the Giants.
Speaker 2:I don't think you can do that in the NFL.
Speaker 1:It's a different speed he's going to benefit to play corner in the NFL. I don't think he has a size play receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, look at where the NFL is, though All they do is run five-yard outs. Oh yeah, yeah, he can do that, but physically on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1:I think he'll struggle To do the five-yard out or a five-yard in which is all they do is ins and outs, but he's not coming across the middle against NFL linebackers, Unless you know he does decide to he got hurt against Colorado State. Those guys don't even hit.
Speaker 3:But what if he just takes his conditioning and all that super serious.
Speaker 1:But I think frame-wise I don't think he can put on that size and play both sides like he wants to.
Speaker 2:We'll see I mean, if I'm coach, owner, NFL, there's no way I'm doing it. I'm paying you all this money and I'm putting you at risk your health to get injured. There's no way I'm doing it.
Speaker 1:I think that to me comes down to the business side, though.
Speaker 2:Agreed.
Speaker 1:If you spend this much money on a guy, it's hard to then say you're basically playing two seasons in one. And think about the.
Speaker 3:Giants drafting to play both. Think about how much more media coverage you get, more clicks.
Speaker 1:But I said, the Giants will be on TV every week.
Speaker 2:Whether they're winning or not, they'll be on TV. Dion will be there. It'll be a big thing.
Speaker 1:No, so I mean it's smart for that side of it. I just think like as a business, I can't invest that amount of money and make you play twice the snaps as everyone else.
Speaker 2:I think it hurts him. I think he could have been a better player at one position and if he goes to the NFL and plays one position, I think he could have a much longer career than trying to do this Now.
Speaker 1:Maybe he's like I'll do this Potentially, but I mean, who's to say he ever made the NFL if he only played one position?
Speaker 2:True Maybe.
Speaker 1:But that's the thing, is a guy like him being a Swiss Army knife, you see in baseball especially a guy that you can throw at any position. They'll find room for you on the team because they always need somebody somewhere.
Speaker 2:So I think you all both say he's good enough to get his jersey retired.
Speaker 1:Yes, statistically, and what he accomplished I mean, he won a Heisman at Colorado. Yeah, they should retire him.
Speaker 2:Okay, so taking out of it, because I don't know if he has or not, Are you okay with him retiring it already? Yeah, I am. What are we two, three months out of the season I'd like to see?
Speaker 1:more time between, really just so he can enjoy it more. Like I mean, at this point he's not even drafted yet. He's got so much he's doing Like it more. So that, for me, is where the timing comes in. Like you said, if it's an all-time, great, yeah, you're going to get retired. I just think you should let him enjoy it. Because here's the thing In two years he goes to the NFL, has a career-ending knee injury or something. God forbid, I don't want that to happen to him. But then he's like, at the very least he's got something to look forward to, Like that three-year mark, the retirement jersey. I get to really feel something again.
Speaker 2:It's different. You seem to be a Deion fan of what he's doing. Are you okay with him retiring his son's jersey? Also, do you think he deserved it?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Best quarterback to ever come through.
Speaker 2:So I guess it's a little different if you're comparing it to this isn't like a nationwide thing, it's just a school. Exactly right, it's just a school. So I get your point there.
Speaker 1:It's just a college. It's not like college football is retiring.
Speaker 2:There's probably not a lot of jerseys retired there.
Speaker 3:No, there's probably like the first two. Yeah, my college coach's jersey got retired after he had resigned and he'll be the first to tell you he didn't win a lot of national championships, but it was just the service and what he did for the community and all the things that come with being in charge. And I think that, with the media coverage that those two got what they brought to the school think about how much money flooded Colorado University. That alone take out who should have won Heisman or not that alone shouldn't be granted a retired jersey.
Speaker 2:Okay, no, I get that point. I mean, when I first saw it I'm like this is crazy. But you make a valid point with why I mean I get it.
Speaker 3:There's more to it than just the football part, I believe, with retirement I think it's hard when you see a guy retire his son's jersey the very next year.
Speaker 2:There's going to be all these questions because it's your son.
Speaker 3:But I also love Deion for the entertainment. Give me entertainment.
Speaker 4:As a player I loved him prime time We've talked about.
Speaker 1:Deion a bunch on here, especially back talking through college football. I have not fully changed my stance on dm, but the one thing I I have changed on it is a lot of his antics. Like you say, you don't necessarily care for his antics.
Speaker 1:I loved it as a player I don't, but as a coach, yeah I mean, I was kind of with you there before, but at this point, like I've seen everything he's doing, especially modern time, everything you do, I mean the same reason we created a podcast. It's just more coverage and I don't think there's anybody better at it than him right now. Oh, I agree, he's like we're talking. I mean, we're literally talking about dion in brevard, north car Carolina, on a Thursday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 1:He's become relevant across the country, which, in turn, means. Colorado is relevant, which in turn means Buffalo football. People care about.
Speaker 2:All the way back to playing for the Cowboys. He had his own brand and he still has that and he still carries it with him wherever he goes and anywhere he goes, he's still going to have that.
Speaker 1:Some of the things he says I don't love. So this evening when I went to dinner, I walk in and the first thing I see is the guy sitting in the corner with a Colorado football hat on. I'm like you're not going to see that for any other reason. Like you, either played there or now. It's because they are nationally recognized, because of Deion no such thing as bad press. No, no, and honestly Deion's a little over the top on stuff, but it's not like he's really done anything super negative.
Speaker 3:No, he hasn't. All he cares about is he's not done anything negative.
Speaker 1:And honestly his players really hasn't done anything negative, it's just stuff that you may not care for, or we as society may not necessarily care for, but don't do anything bad.
Speaker 3:I can never go against someone that cares so much just about his players.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but not even talking about his son or Travis Hunter who's the best player on the team, Jimmy Horn who they talk about. Every single week His dad's in prison. Deion's been a dad to that kid Like does he have to do that?
Speaker 3:Absolutely not. Well, think about when he was at Jacksonville State, right, he made sure that they all had their names on the back of their jerseys, because which they didn't?
Speaker 1:do that before. No.
Speaker 4:Because, like we want their moms to see them.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, I want your parents to see you on the field. Yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he seems to be a good person. Yeah, yeah, I don't doubt that. I just don't love some of the things he says he could be quiet on.
Speaker 3:I want him to call out everybody, call out Alabama and say we'll beat you. We'll come to y'all's place and beat you, because that's what it's about I don't think they'll take the game. I love that he is talking smack, he gets involved speaking of that.
Speaker 1:Have you seen like Louisville has been looking for games and no one will take it? They tried to get with Georgia. Georgia was like no, we're good, they've tried. Who was the other two? They tried with two big schools. That was like hey, we're trying to up our resume and up our schedule so nobody can say we didn't play good teams, but you guys keep backing out. Ole Miss was another one that was like yeah, we'll come to you and they're like we're going to play Georgia Tech and we're going to play no names.
Speaker 2:It's a lose-lose. How do we get better for some of those bigger?
Speaker 1:schools.
Speaker 3:How much record went into that playoff oh?
Speaker 1:100% 100%.
Speaker 2:I think we're going to see it shift, where they were starting to play bigger schools, bigger games because they wanted to show it. Now, after this year, they're gonna start going back to the Cuphead games I don't want it, though I don't either.
Speaker 1:I don't want big games. I like, I like to see it. I want big games every week but I'll put a one loss team in over a no loss team in if you played a good schedule.
Speaker 3:Indiana should have never been in it.
Speaker 2:I agree 100%.
Speaker 3:It was like UCF all those years ago. Ucf that claims their own national championship because we were undefeated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but your toughest team is Memphis on the schedule. That's not going to matter.
Speaker 2:Did you see by the way I actually saw it on Not amused facebook the rule changes um. They're trying to get rid of the players faking injuries, basically the main one.
Speaker 1:I did see that yeah, so they're.
Speaker 2:Um, I guess it's after after the two minute warning or within the last two minutes of the half, the player goes down. You're basically getting a timeout or and five second runoff or something like that. So I'm glad that they're trying to get rid of some of that.
Speaker 3:I kind of love it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm not against it, I just think it's hard. Like we just said, these guys have never been more athletic Like. With that comes the territory of more injuries, more cramps, more little things.
Speaker 3:I love the fake injury. It's a chess game.
Speaker 1:I'd say it's part of the chess game.
Speaker 3:It's a chess game.
Speaker 2:So now you just got to adjust to the rules, because I think the rule now is, if you like, once you line up, if you go down, okay. So now, just after the play, just stay down.
Speaker 3:That's all you got to do If the other team's driving and flowing, break it up.
Speaker 1:Again, like we said, coaches nowadays are I'm not necessarily going to say way smarter, I just think they're way more into all the aspects of it than what they used to be. They pay attention to so many more things In other sports, batter can call time to disrupt flow.
Speaker 3:Even in basketball you see it all the time. Where shot gets made, time's running off. All of a sudden, the player's going to be like fake, communicating with someone down the floor while the ball's just dribbling down. Correct, so more time's going to run off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's part of the shift game. I love it. That's athletics to me. But again, you're going to change the rule. Fine, go ahead and change the rule, they will still figure out ways to do it, it's not, it's not going to stop it fully, which again it's part. It's part of it, I get that, and especially with the what, the last 10 years I guess, the modernization of no huddle and hurry up offense and run as many places humanly possible defense had to find a way to come back happen yeah, but at the same time they've also done stuff to help the defense.
Speaker 1:Offense can no longer just start subbing people in and out to have fresh people. All the time you make a sub, they pause it and give defense time to get a sub.
Speaker 2:I will say some of those injuries are comical when you watch guys just kind of fall over.
Speaker 1:The ones I don't like is it's. They're lining up and all of a sudden, oh yep, I rolled my ankle. It's like you should just stay down.
Speaker 3:That's what they're trying to get rid of. They should teach acting better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so part of your intro is you just have to do a finance class and an acting class. We've got to have a little bit here, guys, because, yeah, there's especially defensive linemen.
Speaker 2:That's where I feel like I notice it the most, they go down. It's like you weren't even part of the play, right? Why did you? Why did you fall? We don't like flopping in it in like basketball, right? I mean, it's basically a flop.
Speaker 4:So it's the same thing. Don't go there. Yeah, I know those comments on that too.
Speaker 2:Uh, so there was another rule. If you saw that come from the ohio state oregon game, yeah, where they're. Yep, uh, I guess you can put time back on the clock if they intentionally put more than 11 on the field for the play yeah but again, you can find ways around it. So that.
Speaker 1:That one to me is a little different. At that point you were trying to completely play the game different you are like that. That's not even to me a chess game that that is let's throw 15 out there, get the penalty, and then that's a bit too much.
Speaker 2:But again, the rule said something to the effect of if the player is trying to get off the field, then it's a five-yard penalty, but you don't get time back. So there's still. I mean, at what point does the player start running?
Speaker 1:off the field Okay, but after the play has started. You, okay, but after the play has started you're in coverage and then you try to run off. That's different than I'm actively trying to get off and they just snapped it. That to me is a little more easy to tell what's happening.
Speaker 2:That to me is way different. But that's what we talked about these coaches. In every sport they're getting smarter and smarter with the game to beat the rules and to beat officials. I think basketball is getting that way. We talk about officials. I think players are getting smart with how to go about certain things to get fouls, certain angles, things like that, but I think that's again.
Speaker 1:You talked about flopping, that's why they do it. Officials are. So it's all reaction calls now because they can't keep up Right, so they see any kind of movement. It's like reaction calls now because they can't keep up Right, so they see any kind of movement. It's like, oh, and I'll be the first to admit, it's not In every sport.
Speaker 2:Us watching on TV we can see it so much better than any of those officials out there. We get all the views and angles.
Speaker 1:We get different angles and nobody in front of you. It's very different. I mean even coaching on the sideline. There's times that you're like man, probably should have called that or shouldn't have called that, just because we have a different site. Then we go back and watch film where it's completely different and it's like oh yeah, we can 100% see this. I see why he called it or why he didn't call it. Very, very different TV is. It's really hard to take the casual fans serious when they talk about that, because it's like you don't really know.
Speaker 1:You were never really there to know it's not as easy as everybody's like well, you should just be able to do it. The same way everybody's like well, why do kickers ever miss a kick? They should be able to do it.
Speaker 2:Don't try to kick it, try it, it's not the same. No, kickers are good. The fact that we usually think especially extra points, we just assume those are automatic.
Speaker 1:That's not easy, they just make it look easy, but to me a kicker in the NFL, under the old kicking where you're kicking from the three-yard line, if you're not 100%, you should get cut Right. You should, Okay, outside of a block. I'll say that Because if somebody gets through, that's different.
Speaker 2:But it's not easy. It takes a talented kicker to hit every one of those.
Speaker 1:I feel like from the three-yard line it didn't take that much, just kicking the ball up in the air in that timing from that quick with guys coming at you. It's a whole other no but then watch an NFL game Most extra points, points, those guys don't leave.
Speaker 1:Well, I agree with like some of that they're not even coming after it unless they still miss, unless it's a super important period. Yeah, now, different. They're kicking from what? The 20 yard line at this point, like it's a 30 yard field goal, like that's different. But I'm saying especially under the old rules, when they were kicking a 17 yard field goal, I goal, I think we need to arrange something on the football field with Tyler kicking extra points. From the old one. I can do it 100% what?
Speaker 2:three-yard line. Yeah, we're giving him. What 10 kicks.
Speaker 1:I did that on the Cowboys field.
Speaker 2:That's different. I just want to see you today like 10 kicks from the three-yard line.
Speaker 3:Could you make 100% 10 out of 10?
Speaker 1:As a non-kicker, I could be more than 70. All right, we'll do it, then I could do 7 out of 10.
Speaker 2:I think we should do it.
Speaker 3:I think you'd be at 50.
Speaker 1:But as a non-kicker, to still be at 50 at my current shape. But are you going to practice?
Speaker 2:No, no, practice Okay. No an NFL kicker, we'll video it, I'm all for it. I'm up for it too.
Speaker 1:All for it. We'll have to stretch.
Speaker 2:I don't have to practice, but I'll have to stretch. There's a difference.
Speaker 1:I say that's different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, first kick, he's going down.
Speaker 1:Make the first one, I might fake the injury.
Speaker 3:I'm 100%.
Speaker 2:Can we get you to hold it and you just pull the ball?
Speaker 4:We're going to Charlie Brown.
Speaker 1:This Don't Lucy me here I really would get hurt at that point I'd be out for a month.
Speaker 2:No, I would say 100%. I'd be lucky to make a couple, because it's harder to get the ball off the ground and everything than people realize.
Speaker 3:I agree, I can't do it.
Speaker 1:So again, I'm not sitting here saying kickers should be automatic, Especially nowadays they're kicking 50, 60-yard field goals.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're getting longer and longer it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:It's super impressive. To me, an actual field goal is different than the extra point, and I'm not even talking about the current extra point. Current extra point is way than the extra point, and I'm not even talking about the current extra point. The current extra point is way longer than you said, but also they're not going after it, but college is still that close. Yeah, but again I think you're at that point still talking amateur status, College kickers. There are so many teams that how they can't get a kicker, it blows my mind.
Speaker 2:All right, let me ask you you just brought up Immature, and this brings me to another topic that you love, nascar. So I want to see how this comes back. So in NASCAR there's three series and well, you know a little bit about NASCAR. There's Truck what they now call Xfinity, and then the Cup guys. Cup guys are the best guys and used to. The Cup guys would race the other series all the time. They'd win all the time, whatever, okay. So nascar got tired of seeing those guys win those and limit them to only a few races.
Speaker 2:This past weekend at bristol, kyle larson runs those other races. It's only a couple he gets to do. He runs xfinity race and he beats those guys the entire race, like 10, 15 seconds ahead of him. The entire race non-stop. And afterwards somebody asked him about it. He said I really wanted to embarrass nascar. He said I wanted to show them that they're hurting these younger guys by not allowing us to go out there, show them how to race. And then they come up here to cup series thinking, oh, we can do it because they don't race against us all the time like they used to do. You agree with that? First of 100%. So you think the good guys I mean the best guys should be racing the lower series. Yeah, okay, so I don't think always.
Speaker 1:I think there should be a certain amount that they should be able to do, because if you're always doing it, then you just get used to losing, then you're just teaching that all you should ever do.
Speaker 2:So I agree with it in a sense, because these younger guys are coming into the Cup Series and not doing good at all. Right, because they thought they were good.
Speaker 1:I think you should be able to do some. I don't think that every race should be that.
Speaker 3:Like that to me is too much, even if you, I mean the very little.
Speaker 2:I know they're not racing in every single race Correct A few of them every time maybe, but not always the best guys, Right.
Speaker 3:I think that's fine.
Speaker 2:But if your goal is to become the best and get to the top, tier series yeah, you need to beat those guys. Go race with them.
Speaker 1:See what it's like See what they do To an extent. But like, say, you talk about locally grown up, any travel basketball we did. The reason that's which, again, travel basketball now is so much different. I'm not a fan of what it has turned into, but the reason that they played it in you would skip certain tournaments If the tournament's too big you're playing this competition you can't play with, like I'm not saying that's the case for NASCAR, but if you get on the court with a team that you cannot score, you're not getting better by doing that.
Speaker 2:So that's a little different, I think, because you're not trying to go to the NBA per se, but if you're a college basketball player trying to get to the NBA, but as a kid I could be. Well then, you should be playing against the best teams to see what you need to improve.
Speaker 1:At that point you have to grow to that point Like you can't just throw a kid out there that's trying his best, but if you don't have ten of those guys you can't play. So you're saying like the one guy should be able to do it and it just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3:I think in this scenario I think I'm with David they should race in any event that they want, because if that helps that one racer, make it and be better, that helps the sport. Because how often have we seen guys go to the cup series and be dominant early on?
Speaker 2:You need some WD 40 over there, by the way, for that chair.
Speaker 3:They both do so bad.
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 3:I think that if allowing them to go race in these smaller events against lesser opponents, it could help two or three of those drivers that are in the minor leagues that when they actually come to the Cup Series then it's like passing the torch.
Speaker 2:Well, you said minor leagues, but I think of baseball. You see, some of these major league guys get hurt whenever they go down.
Speaker 4:They get raised all the time, yeah.
Speaker 2:Does that help baseball players and minors, seeing these guys come play with them and what they got to get to?
Speaker 3:No doubt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see, I'm the same way and I think I get what you're saying. As a kid you know playing, travel and stuff like that. But once you get to college, like no college kid looking at the NBA should be afraid to play any NBA player in college, and I don't know how you would do it. I would love to see some of that exhibition stuff, some NBA guys, you see it in USA basketball all the time.
Speaker 1:All the time, all the time, cooper Flay, no so I think when it comes to talking about NASCAR, you're so first off. Your top few guys are probably not going to race in that much because really they don't need to like they, they have no need to go back and do that they so.
Speaker 1:Kyle bush was one of them that done it a lot and he won all the time tony stewart did a lot, yes yes, but you're talking about one, like you're not taking all like your top 10 guys every week going to do that no, no, no, not like that, not 10 of them.
Speaker 2:You would see three, four, five probably every week in it and it'd be different guys, wouldn't be the same guys every week usually but?
Speaker 1:but it's the same way like I don't have an issue, especially with some of your lower guys that have made it, that are decent but they're not great, yes, bounce back and forth the same way the nba does with their two-way contracts. Like I don't have an issue with that. I just think you it's, it's good in ways, but I think you just have to be careful at how much and who you actually allow into it, because then you are just you're still pushing the same few guys. A couple of guys might get good, but you're not making 30. Guys have potential to be good.
Speaker 3:It probably helps the sport.
Speaker 2:I think it helps the sport a ton Financially.
Speaker 3:More people will tune in.
Speaker 2:Sponsors yes, more ticket sales, more everything, and I really think it helps the sport overall because you get better drivers who can come up and be that next one as guys retire.
Speaker 3:Well, in this scenario, it seems like he was wanting to go help them. He's like I want to go show them how to race.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:So the sport's not left in a bad spot when I'm done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that was kind of his comment, you know um these guys, because and actually the very next day we saw one of the guys from extended come up and race cup. He finished like five laps down yeah and he's one of the top guys in the, the lower level. So clearly they're out there running every week winning races, thinking oh, I'm good, and they have no clue what it's like going next level.
Speaker 3:Next level you have to shrink the gap. You have to shrink the gap, and I think that's the only way you can do it.
Speaker 2:And I thought that because you said I don't think it's the only way to do it?
Speaker 1:I think it's one way to do it, but you also have to look at those guys don't have the same team.
Speaker 2:They don't have the teams and the money and the backing.
Speaker 1:It's there, but as a business, you're going to push your biggest stuff. You're not going to put the same amount into your low level.
Speaker 2:See, I disagree with that because that's their next guy up, so they put the money in them to. They want them in Cup when their big guy leaves, but in every sport.
Speaker 1:Your lower level does not make the same, doesn't get the same amount put into them in every single sport.
Speaker 2:NBA into the G League, I think baseball into the minors.
Speaker 1:You're not going to put the same amount into it because it's not making the same. You're not getting the same off of sponsors. You're not getting the same off of TV rides. You're not getting the same. As a business, you cannot put the same money into it because you're not getting it back.
Speaker 3:NASCAR is one of the only sports that really treats like baseball farm system, where they're not like trading, going out and getting different guys, they're not contracting them to certain, you know, without another team grabbing them. I think that NASCAR does a pretty good job of we're picking our next young racer and we're going to teach them and we're going to bring them up and you put the stuff behind him.
Speaker 1:I just don't think you're going to put the same amount behind him.
Speaker 2:See, I think they do. I think they lose. They probably lose money in those lower levels because they pour so much money into it, knowing if we get this guy there, we're going to get it back when he gets to the top series. So I think they do that. How many of those guys? I mean you got to keep 30, 40 drivers, I mean yes but make it.
Speaker 1:And then, how many times have you actually seen these guys win?
Speaker 2:I mean every Like on a season?
Speaker 1:how many different winners have you had so far?
Speaker 2:In what? In the top series In the top, yeah, I don't know. So a normal season is well, the regular season's 26 races, I think, before they go in the playoffs, right, and 26 races, I think, before they go in the playoffs, right, and 16 drivers get in. If you win, you automatically get in, typically 14 to 15. Win a race of those top 26.
Speaker 1:And then how many are in a field?
Speaker 2:36, I think now, or something like that.
Speaker 1:It's the most they do is 36.
Speaker 2:Around there.
Speaker 1:yeah, Okay, so less than half the field actually makes the playoffs correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 16 makes the playoffs, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so do they do any kind of relegation?
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:So you finish bad enough, you get sent backwards.
Speaker 2:No, well, I mean, it's all up to the teams.
Speaker 1:Like there is no. But I'm saying as a team, like can a team get sent backwards? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:No, a team cannot no.
Speaker 1:But a team, send a driver back down and say we're going to go with somebody else. This year you didn't quite cut it, but it's the same thing with any other farm system. You're not going to continually lose money on these guys because you're not guaranteed.
Speaker 2:Oh no, If the guy isn't performing, you're going to move on to somebody else.
Speaker 1:Correct. But that's why, again, these teams are going to get one, two maybe every few years. So are going to get one, two maybe every few years. So you can't put that X amount of dollars the same that you're doing the big time every single year, because you're at some point outside of your top few teams with the money, because there's a few of those teams that have more money than they know what to do with.
Speaker 2:But what you're missing with NASCAR is so different. The teams foot a bunch of money, but it's all sponsors paid for.
Speaker 4:So they're not how it's.
Speaker 1:the sponsors paid for the smaller you go, the smaller the sponsor. Like you, don't have the same amount of money coming in, correct? Because, even then those sponsors, even if it's a big name they're not paying the same amount of money on your minors as you are for your big team.
Speaker 2:NASCAR is just unique.
Speaker 1:NASCAR is unique in that because they're building guys up to make money on them later Correct, but what I'm saying, though, is a lower level car spot for a sponsorship does not cost the same as no, I agree, but that doesn't mean the team is not putting in as much money to them.
Speaker 2:Is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But all I'm saying with that is you cannot consistently lose money and say that you're okay with it.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I agree with that. They're going to move on. I don't think they're.
Speaker 1:I don't think that they're putting that amount in it. That's what I'm saying. I don't think it's dollar for dollar the same.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's irrelevant to the conversation, but regardless.
Speaker 1:I think that's the point I was being made higher level. You're not going to have the same quality of team, you're not going to have the same top level guys, because those top level guys are going with the top level guy. So you're you don't have the same platform to stand on.
Speaker 2:No, I get your point, but I'm with will that I think the cup drivers should go down, race them, show them how to do it, and I don't care if they beat them by 15 seconds. It was still fun to watch.
Speaker 4:To me, Let those guys see what they need to go for it was fun to watch the one guy.
Speaker 2:No, the whole race was still fun.
Speaker 4:I watched it. You don't even like NASCAR.
Speaker 1:I know, but everybody's 10 laps behind. What fun is that.
Speaker 2:I didn't say 10 laps, I said 10 seconds.
Speaker 1:Yes, but in motorsports 10, 10 seconds is a lot. Yeah, the second's a lot.
Speaker 2:I watched the whole race. I still thought it was fun. I thought it was kind of cool to see him put on the show, you know.
Speaker 3:I liked watching Tony Stewart go race the trucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fun, tony.
Speaker 1:Stewart will race anything with wheels.
Speaker 2:He's doing drag cars right now.
Speaker 1:I would say he's still racing. I know Like he switched to Switch to what's the top drag. Yeah, he's doing that now. Well, it's because his wife was doing it and she had a baby, so he took over her car.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dale Earnhardt Sr raced in all of them.
Speaker 2:He did yes.
Speaker 1:Junior didn't, but there's a few of those guys, though, that are so eat up.
Speaker 2:He'll go back some now.
Speaker 1:A few of those guys that were so eat up with racing. They don't care, they'd race a go-kart If it has a motor and wheels.
Speaker 2:they will race it. That's a lot of these. Well, until recently a lot of these teams would put in their contract these guys couldn't go race dirt track cars and things like that, because they didn't want them to get hurt, tired, I guess, whatever. Now they're kind of letting them because they see it helps.
Speaker 1:Did Tony Stewart ruin some of that too. He that's what I'm saying like did that ultimately kind of hurt it like, yeah, which again that was his fault.
Speaker 2:Guy shouldn't have been out of his car. Yeah, there was a lot to it, though he's still driving the car yes, correct, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that he's not at any fault, but that whole situation was terrible.
Speaker 2:I don't think he meant to kill him, did he mean to scare him, probably injuring, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm not his head, but yeah, but I think to me on a racetrack, don't get out of your car I agree with that like on the freeway, don't get out of your car, you're gonna get hit these guys, especially on these dirt tracks.
Speaker 2:They get so mad, I mean, but there's nascar races. From back in the day you see videos of guys throwing helmets at cars going down the track next to them. It was pretty fun. When's the last time you've seen that though? Oh, you can't anymore.
Speaker 1:But that's what I'm saying. There's nothing happening like that anymore.
Speaker 2:No, it's safety right now, yeah.
Speaker 1:Safety is the big thing. But I'm all for safety. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to say it like that, but you almost go too far, and I think every sport they almost go too far with certain things. I mean, you go to safety for NFL. You can't touch quarterback, you can't do anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I get that you go too far in one direction Like let them fight.
Speaker 1:Let them fight for the entertainment.
Speaker 3:Let me see something great. If that's dale and heart, jr winning 12 straight truck races.
Speaker 2:I'm in me too well, but what that does too. If you're a dale jr fan, you love it yeah if you're not, you hate it, so you're still watching, you know. So it's like it's the same reason I watch kyle bush all those years. I hate kyle bush. Yeah, right, see, you still hate kyle bush junior still racing much, uh, right now. So he's a part owner of, like the Cars Tour. That's like a top tier. I don't want to say local track guys, but some of the smaller stuff.
Speaker 3:It's like the Champions Tour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and he'll race occasionally on those. But I mean he owns Xfinity cars, dirt cars. He's still very involved In NASCAR. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't think He'll ever not be.
Speaker 1:Some type of involved, just the name alone.
Speaker 3:It's so sad Because Junior just Was never that great.
Speaker 1:Everyone wanted him To be so good Following, but following your parent Anything is yeah.
Speaker 2:So Well, he's talked about it A lot. He never put in the effort, no Like talked about it a lot, he never put in the effort. No, like he just was having fun. Yeah, and he didn't realize until he was way older and having concussion issues. Yeah, oh, I could have done this better, you know. So are you getting cold there?
Speaker 1:it got cold. It did. Yeah, I don't know. I can see some of the air setting it got very cold, very cold.
Speaker 2:Anybody hitting golf balls still?
Speaker 1:No, the last few had left.
Speaker 2:Everybody said too cold.
Speaker 1:I mean, we did just finish up the Masters too.
Speaker 2:I thought we'd have a lot of people here.
Speaker 1:Actually so me, and Will watched it from here Did you. Yeah, and it was a full day of waiting on the meltdown of Rory and he tried.
Speaker 4:He tried his hardest.
Speaker 3:I felt like it was the golf gods knowing how badly he wanted it, like okay, if you're going to win one, you're going to go through every trial of this course possible. And he did it and I'm so happy he did.
Speaker 1:Well, but we sat here and watched this and the back and forth of he's up by four strokes, he's down by a stroke, he's even and Rose played a fantastic back nine. Yeah, he did Just to get back even.
Speaker 3:It was the best Masters since Tiger won it. Well, so by the numbers, it was the most watched since Tiger won it, since it was the most watched since 2018.
Speaker 1:Read one wow, and that one actually had more views than the tiger win, because I think everybody was kind of down with the fact. So, yeah, I'm probably.
Speaker 2:I know I'm in the minority in this. I'm not a big rory fan really never have been. I don't have anything specific I don't have anything specific?
Speaker 4:What's the?
Speaker 2:turnoff. I don't have anything specific, I just he's never appealed to me, I feel like most people are the other way.
Speaker 4:Most are, and maybe that's why Not that they're a huge fan, but it's like I like him.
Speaker 1:I'm not a huge Rory fan, but at this point I'm like, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:He's not one that I'm Watching, that I was rooting for him to lose and when he missed that putt I was like oh, here we go and he come back and won it. And his reaction afterwards and him talking I'm so glad he won it, like it meant so much to him. This was the 11th try on the career-grand slam. Yeah's hard Again. He's not like my favorite golfer, but it helped my opinion of him a little bit and again there was nothing like I hated him.
Speaker 1:Was that just because he doesn't play for Atlanta?
Speaker 2:No, no, it had nothing to do with that, because that's your team for sure.
Speaker 3:The only hang-up I have on Rory is that he plays for Europe in the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2:And that might be part of it for me. I'm always rooting against him there.
Speaker 1:It's hard to cheer for Europeans In golf. It's really hard because they've still got that America versus everybody else.
Speaker 2:But now I used to love cheering for John Rowe. Now he's gone, I don't even think about him anymore.
Speaker 3:If Rory was American, I'd be his biggest fan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't have any pinpoint thing of what.
Speaker 4:That's their tiger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that is Europe's tiger. Yeah, for sure. Everything has to be put behind him, because he is all they have. Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, he helped my opinion a little bit. He's still not my favorite golfer, but I was rooting against him.
Speaker 1:But a better person could have won that, so sitting here watching it me, and Will kept going back and forth saying he birdied 17, got himself a stroke up. We're like all right, 18's a tough hole. We've seen 18 of the Gustav a million times.
Speaker 1:It's all about the tee shot and he hits the most perfect tee shot you can hit and we're like all right, well, he's won. Unless we made the comment unless he shanks one and it almost came out of my mouth or unless he goes short in the bunker. Yeah, and he did it.
Speaker 2:But all he had to do was make the putt.
Speaker 3:I know it's a hard putt, though.
Speaker 1:It's easy to say, but like it's Augusta going for the green jacket, like the amount of pressure there. Like Will Will said, I think 15 times I cannot imagine the pressure there.
Speaker 2:Who's more nervous? Him standing there trying to make the putt or Rose over there?
Speaker 1:waiting to see if he made the putt Him for sure, him 100%.
Speaker 2:Because it was in his hands. I guess Rose at that point.
Speaker 1:He was on the driving range.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He's hitting balls like like I may have to be ready, so I'm gonna stay ready for him it's, he's still distracted.
Speaker 2:I would be a nervous wreck over there on the hitting balls on the driving range, though like oh gosh, what's, what am I gonna have to go do?
Speaker 1:this to me. I think I would be less, because at that point you're like I got it all the way back here. I gave myself a chance. Yeah, like it's out of my hands at this point yeah like ferrari. It was, it was in his control. He makes the putt, he wins it in regulation.
Speaker 2:We didn't have to go to extra no, I was glad he basically got another shot at a putt so he could make it yeah I mean he had a tap in, yeah on the playoff yeah, I could have made that one I don't know that I could.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I could make any putt at augusta because those greens are so ridiculous, but that's one of those like yeah, I want to try it. Like, give me that three-footer Let me see we actually have which obviously don't have the pressure the same.
Speaker 2:I didn't know. There's somebody that I know that their kids come out here and stuff, and I found out like the night before he had master tickets and was going. I was like I'm so jealous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sunday would have been so cool. Yeah, I don't know if he was there on Sunday or not, that would have been. I mean, I know a couple of guys that were there Whitmires, yeah.
Speaker 2:Would it be as fun, because you're not going to have the same coverage, obviously, that you get on TV, because you're going to be kind of chasing everything.
Speaker 1:I don't know. So final day might be because you're going to follow the leaders. Like me, personally, I'm I would have followed rory and dechambeau all day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like that to me would have just been like I would have followed somebody early and then circle back for them. I would have followed speed or uh, jt, yeah, for a little bit, but you could follow that earlier and then skip over and catch up with the leaders especially for back nine.
Speaker 1:Almost everybody else is done. You're following JT or you're following.
Speaker 4:Rory Shambo Rose a couple of holes ahead.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, I think it would still be. It'd be fun to see that live. Yeah, Like that playoff live would have been so much fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, the playoff would have been well again. I guess it would have been, but I wouldn't have got all the information that the announcer gives me and all the different angles and the different shots and that I would have missed.
Speaker 1:I think it's just like any live sport, like it's just it's not the same as the TV program, but you're still getting it very different. It's still really cool, but I feel that way.
Speaker 2:I went to one NASCAR race. I think NASCAR and golf both for me. I enjoy more on TV than I would in person.
Speaker 3:I could see that.
Speaker 2:Now basketball football.
Speaker 1:I mean, I definitely think golf as a whole because you're only going to get to see a few people. Right, you don't get to. I mean for Augusta, espn, cbs, all the guys. They do a great job. You're seeing a shot every 20 seconds.
Speaker 3:You're seeing a shot every 20 seconds. Yeah, you're seeing something, though, if I had the option to go to sunday at augusta or sit on my couch.
Speaker 2:I'm probably going to augusta oh I, I think I would too, but would you feel the same, like for the pga or the or the opening?
Speaker 1:yeah because I think augusta just has a different allure than but see, but see kind of what you're talking about there.
Speaker 2:If it's just some random tournament, I would almost prefer to go to that, because I don't care as much about the story and everything going on. I can just go watch some guys play golf. It's not as important.
Speaker 1:So if it's a major, does it change your mind?
Speaker 2:Like any major, does it change your mind than it does just a regular one, I would want to go to be there, but I think I would enjoy it more watching it on TV than being there. Like I want to say, I was there. That would be the only reason I'd want to go.
Speaker 1:I think Augusta is just different, because it's it's Augusta, it's Augusta. I agree, it's hard to describe it's Augusta.
Speaker 2:I mean as a kid, because job of keeping that kind of covered everything in town price went up that week, like hotels, like everything you saw, you know the amount of traffic there it was, yeah, and so that's what I remember as a kid, because I knew nothing about golf, didn't really know what masters was, I just knew, like that first week, april, whatever it was, everything was going to be expensive.
Speaker 1:It'll be crowded, it was, you know well, a friend of me and will for a long time, has had hunting property right there and he's, he said, even like that week I'm tempted to rent out my little hunting camper. Yeah, because I could make 10 grand that week, yeah, which is crazy to think.
Speaker 2:Well, I lived there early to mid-90s and you would see hotel rooms. Your generic hotel room $50 a night. Go to $400 a night.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we're talking 90s, Wow.
Speaker 3:It was crazy. The clientele is different.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine now what those are like.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure Everybody's probably Air's now, you're not getting a $50 hotel room anymore. No.
Speaker 1:That's probably a $600, $700 hotel at that point. But yeah, the Airbnb and all of that, that's become so big. I think that's what you're seeing huge now. But, yes, again what you just said the clientele.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's not like it's like what you're getting in Super Bowl. It's like what you're getting it. You know the national championship, like it's, it's the biggest of the big. So I'm a little different and people, they're gonna go to have money.
Speaker 1:I Mean it's golf and for like you gotta have money off.
Speaker 2:Anyways, they make millions in merchandise and those like four days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's unreal. I can't remember the stat, but it was like so many thousands every second. Yeah, like I mean it was crazy I don't even know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't imagine no, that's.
Speaker 1:That's one that I apply every single year.
Speaker 2:I get denied every single year yeah, what does it take to finally get in?
Speaker 3:it's just a lottery. I mean, it's a lottery, I know, but so is it?
Speaker 2:I don't mean to say this really. Is it people dying off and now their tickets are available, or because nobody's giving them up right?
Speaker 3:right? No, I do. I think that.
Speaker 1:I don't know. So there's, there's a certain allotted that there's, there's certain people that are just going to get tickets. Yeah, it's just chance, like it's just up to chance.
Speaker 2:Because I think if you had the tickets here before you get first shot at them again like every year. So I can't imagine, unless something crazy happened, you're not going to get them, and if you can't go yourself, you're going to get them for your buddy or somebody.
Speaker 1:So I just don't know how they ever come available Like through their standards. You can't sell the tickets. You can't sell the tickets. You can't do that, but again you hand them to your buddy and it's like they're not that expensive for what it is, for what it is. No, it's not a crazy price, it's really not.
Speaker 3:They're less expensive than Ryder Cup tickets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Ryder Cup's also. It's a different thing.
Speaker 2:I would enjoy going to the Ryder.
Speaker 3:Cup. If I had the option between Ryder Cup and Masters, I think I'd go to Ryder Cup. That's how much I love Ryder Cup I think.
Speaker 1:I would too so if it was Ryder Cup away.
Speaker 3:I'm still going.
Speaker 2:That might be more for me to go. Let's go check it out.
Speaker 1:To me. I want to see it, but I would love to see it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, but I would love to see it, but I would love to see it, but I would love to see it on the home turf, because how electric.
Speaker 1:That at Bethpage is going to be so rowdy it's going to be so fun. I'm looking forward to that so much.
Speaker 3:But tickets are like two grand for a day. They're high, no way.
Speaker 2:We know you're not doing that. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1:But they also have way less rules on how they do those tickets. But it's a huge event, which that's one thing I think other sports have not capitalized on is doing something like this. No, I think the Ryder Cup's the best event that sports has. That's a hard thing to say that it's the best of all sports.
Speaker 3:But I, I think it is, I think it's definitely up there.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's one of those things that. But why hasn't golf learned and put out more stuff like this? This is what we want.
Speaker 3:It is what we want. I think that's why we want it though. Well, but golf doesn't listen to the fan much.
Speaker 1:No, golf is not a fan-first kind of sport, first kind of sport, they need to fix that, I agree.
Speaker 3:I think that's why we love it, though, because we get it so rarely and it's always great. It's always great. Even when the US loses, it's always great.
Speaker 1:Well, so here in the past it's patriotic man Gosh quite a while. Whoever's home wins yeah, Home turf wins, Like at some point we're going to see that break. Really don't want it to be this time.
Speaker 3:It could be, though it could very well be this time Europe's in good place.
Speaker 2:See, that's why I loved watching TGL, why I really got into it.
Speaker 1:A lot of the big Americans are gone. It's that team aspect. So a lot of the big Americans are gone. I know, and some people have been afraid to pick the live guys. I don't think he's afraid.
Speaker 2:He needs to pick the best players.
Speaker 1:Then Bryson and Brooks have to be on the team.
Speaker 2:Exactly. I don't care where you're, at what you're doing.
Speaker 3:You need the best players, and Spieth and JT shouldn't be on it if they're not playing well, jt, I wouldn't have as much of an issue this year.
Speaker 1:No, I wouldn't. Last year's JT he should, should have been on the team.
Speaker 2:I really enjoyed JT in TGLT. He's great. He's great for media golf.
Speaker 1:His golf game hasn't been as good as I would like it. The PGA has got to get over this whole thing of well, Liv does team, we don't want to do it Team golf.
Speaker 2:TGL was fantastic yeah, like the team aspect of it turned out to be great, but you could have took TGL to the course and I still would have loved it. It had nothing to do with the stadium and all that.
Speaker 1:I like the team part PGA Fall should turn into team golf and I would watch every second. I would, too, every second. It's post-season, so you're already done with that. It's cool. It's a different thing. Turn into team and let's just go with it. I agree, make the teams have something that is a uniform Like. At the very least the live guys have the hat.
Speaker 2:I think they'll have to do that at some point. Give something.
Speaker 1:It's hard to sell merchandise that you don't wear. Yeah, it is. Those guys don't ever wear that look.
Speaker 2:Can we just start team golf right here at 4U Golf and we're just going space there we go, get me the people I'd love to do it last are you gonna be a captain of the team?
Speaker 1:yeah, let's go who's your first pick, like out of guys? You know here. What do you mean? I have guys not here no, I don't care I just want to have fun. I don't even care if I win yeah, yeah, if I'm too competitive, I gotta try to win I mean I want to win but I'm gonna have more fun than anything.
Speaker 2:But that's what team golf does. That's what live does. I don't watch a lot of live because nobody does. When is it on? It's on cw and the thing about it.
Speaker 1:Well, so they're fox now are they? Have a fox deal okay, but it's still just it's watered down there's so few tournaments, there's so few of so much. Everything is trying to be waste management. It's like it's okay to be different, don't make it be something that PGA is not doing Well.
Speaker 3:I don't think the lift guys are really that good outside of DeChambeau and Prince I was going to say not overall. Yeah, they're not near as good as the guys on tour.
Speaker 2:A lot of guys that have went there have tanked. It feels like Dustin Johnson, jon Rahm, I mean there's more, so you look at Dustin Johnson.
Speaker 1:He went because he didn't want to play golf anymore.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he really didn't want to play golf anymore.
Speaker 2:Like in his mind he's like I want to play as little as possible. I want to go fishing. I think Jon Rahm feels that way To make his name bigger.
Speaker 1:He was a big name, don't get me wrong, he's huge, but I feel like he needed to do more at PGA.
Speaker 2:But he got the money and now he doesn't have to.
Speaker 3:And that's what. I don't blame anybody for going to Lakers.
Speaker 2:I don't either.
Speaker 1:But look at still a young guy, joaquin Neiman. He plays more tournaments now than he did on PGA. He didn't have a great Masters, I mean finished top 20, yeah but he is playing more tournaments now than he was before, so for him money's great, but I think he still wants to be a part of stuff some of those guys I feel like still want to be like.
Speaker 1:They just need to combine and just get it over with I want to see what's it going to take, though at this point, like we are, a few years out I want to see old school wcw.
Speaker 2:I want to see pj tour. Bring in the Live the NWO and we're one group and we're against each other and we're some team matches.
Speaker 1:I'm fine if they keep it as a separate thing, but it should be intertwined and they should get points towards. I don't think they're ever going to get points. As a three-day tournament, I think basically what they're ever going to get points, so it was a three day tournament Like. I think basically what they're saying is like it's hard for us to get equivalent points for less work.
Speaker 2:Let's make everybody three days. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3:I am too.
Speaker 1:Four days too many, it's too many. If you're going to switch it across the board like it's fine, it's just. I hate, like right now.
Speaker 4:I hate, hard for me to say hey, you did great you played a whole last day.
Speaker 2:I think it's hard to say it word for word is equivalent two rounds. I want a. Uh, I'm good with two rounds. Two rounds, I said a while back, cut after one. Yeah, when I play golf 12 to 15, I'm ready to be done. I don't need 18 holes, I don't need it.
Speaker 1:It's too much I could play 27, it's not enough.
Speaker 2:No I will go t off again if you want to, but I don't need 18 for the same match. Yeah, like that's just, that's too much.
Speaker 1:But that's one thing I've not really looked into, like in other sports. Like you kind of know why they do certain things. Why did golf do it that way? Yeah? I've seen some stuff in the past, but it wasn't exciting but yeah, I mean, none of the really rules of any sport are exciting.
Speaker 2:I'm just curious, like but on the live pga thing, I want to see a rider cup style live versus the pgs me too.
Speaker 1:You want to talk about ratings?
Speaker 2:yeah, that would be unbelievable but they're too stubborn to just work together and make it? Well, it's not they, it's pga well, okay, the pga is too stubborn.
Speaker 1:It is Monaghan and the crew.
Speaker 2:Again worst commissioner in all sports.
Speaker 3:So maybe we need Adam Silver to go run.
Speaker 2:PGA. I agree with that. I'm waiting for some kind of comment from Tyler, I think we're going to have some kind of all-star game.
Speaker 1:It's nothing but trick shots and we're not going to have it.
Speaker 2:We've said that PGA live. Whoever some golf, there needs to be some kind of fan appreciation all-star event.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we have talked about that. Every sport does it.
Speaker 1:Let's make it fun and golf is easy. You do a long drive competition. You do a small little team event. You do a closest to the pin you do a drive chip putt thing.
Speaker 2:Again, these are all it is. You do some little things. We just started right here at 4U Golf and we'll handle it for them. I mean, we could send an invite to Scotty Scheffler to come out here and play in our event.
Speaker 1:I don't foresee us getting Scotty but, I'd try.
Speaker 3:We'll get Connor.
Speaker 1:We could, I'll try.
Speaker 3:we'll get connor we could take connor over him any day. Connor over scotty yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:But then, like, here's the thing if, if team atlanta shows up, we're getting nothing out of david I'm just hanging out with those guys.
Speaker 2:He's gonna just be like following around everywhere they go and it wasn't like they're my favorite golfers, they were just fun to watch.
Speaker 1:They were at the time, but they probably are now.
Speaker 2:But, like I said, so they even went and won, but they were having fun and that's what I would do as a captain. Yeah, I'd want to win, but I'm going to have fun doing it. If I do, I'm not going to be all uptight and you know, got to stay focused, focused.
Speaker 3:No, but I think that's not in that event, I would have rather have seen Atlanta LA final.
Speaker 2:I think it had been more fun, um, probably.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think it was going to win regardless. I do too. I think Atlanta was going to win no matter what, but New York was a boring team. We said that cause they were the first match ever.
Speaker 4:And we said that after that first one.
Speaker 1:It's like oh my gosh, they're so dry. How do we watch this for two hours every week? And then Atlanta shows up and you're like oh, that's how you watch it for two hours every week.
Speaker 2:Those guys had it figured out, rory's team wasn't the most fun to watch Tiger's team?
Speaker 4:definitely wasn't the most fun to watch, unless you're like. That's what we look forward to, but I mean tiger.
Speaker 1:Tiger's not a huge personality guy like that it's not what you watch him for, so that's different too no, but he's like we said.
Speaker 2:He's always been that focused mindset when he stepped on the golf course and that's why he was so good. That's not what you need in that type of event no.
Speaker 1:So to me the best way to watch some of tiger's stuff now is watch some of the Team TaylorMade stuff, because it's on a driving range, they're doing little challenges, they're looking in each other's bags and you just hear Tiger talking equipment. It's not the focus. Like, don't talk to me Tiger, it's just him hanging out with his buddies. That one's very different.
Speaker 2:I agree. I think we've got all the ideas. Maybe we'll just run it. I think we've got all the ideas. Maybe we'll just run it.
Speaker 1:I think so listen, start, start the assignment. Get the people. We can get the people to do it.
Speaker 2:I'll do it well, that's your job. You gotta get the people. I come up with the idea I can't do it all. I mean, come on, will's gonna oversee it.
Speaker 3:I can oversee it.
Speaker 2:I need a small compensation. Will's the commissioner.
Speaker 1:Are you the?
Speaker 3:commissioner, if I get money? Yes, if I get money.
Speaker 1:How about Depends?
Speaker 2:on how much money you bring in.
Speaker 1:I'll buy your dinner on the nights we have it, that's enough for me.
Speaker 2:It's not going to take much, he's not breaking into his $50.
Speaker 1:He's good I know, but dinner is like value menu.
Speaker 2:He'll still take it.
Speaker 1:I say he's thinking now Listen.
Speaker 3:I saw the look on his face. What if I?
Speaker 1:could pay you an information, what kind of?
Speaker 2:information. What does that even mean?
Speaker 1:I know certain things that he would like to know and I could probably find people that would know these things. Like what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, where are we going here? He wants to know more about Perry.
Speaker 1:Probably find people that would know these things like what, yeah, um, where are we going here? He wants to know more about perry. I mean, I know some people that could probably give him some information I would say he'd be in for that.
Speaker 2:I'll get the spreadsheet rolling he's gonna have a reddit thread yeah, literally oh, he probably would.
Speaker 1:That actually would be one I would. I would deep dive, please that thread.
Speaker 2:I want to come. Hey, listen, we'll put it on our website.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 2:You can start a thing about not amused. I will, that's what we can do.
Speaker 1:Actually, that would be a really good thing for him. It would be Like let you just do some blog style stuff on the back, for sure You'd have fun with that. Oh dude, yes, we could do it. David's going to be like what is all this Star Wars crap on here?
Speaker 2:Then we'll just bring you on and be like, hey, what the heck is this? Listen, I've heard Death Star referenced two or three times a night.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what you're talking about, so you don't even know what the Death Star is.
Speaker 2:I do not know what the Death Star is. You can't go down this.
Speaker 3:too late for this Wow. I do not I'll be here until 3 am so.
Speaker 2:Wow, but I'm okay with it. I don't need to know. It's what the moon is.
Speaker 3:It's literally what the moon is. It's just the Death Star. But here's the thing he knows.
Speaker 1:Darth Vader. Everyone knows that.
Speaker 2:I know who that is harry potter.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I know we really have to start recording, because the look he just gave you was everything like the disdain and hatred and that look was like I'm still trying to figure out.
Speaker 2:He said something like the moon. That's what the moon is, I'm like.
Speaker 1:The Death Star is basically like a moon.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 4:And our moon is the.
Speaker 3:Death Star oh gosh.
Speaker 2:Okay Could be, we've never been Exactly.
Speaker 4:Sure, I don't know You're getting a little nerdy here.
Speaker 1:So every week, will's going to show up and he's going to have something printed off. Dave, just look at this. All I need you to know is just look at it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to start getting random texts with two-minute clips of this.
Speaker 1:The X-Wing was created and the designer was this guy. This is what it does.
Speaker 2:That would be the only way to get me to learn any of it, because I ain't watching the movies. Two minutes here and there, I can handle.
Speaker 1:Well, but that's like we talked with Brian last week. At this point it's been so long you almost feel like you just can't.
Speaker 2:I'd be, betraying myself at this point, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You're just so far at this point. At your age at this point it's like I can't go backwards. It would almost feel like you're going backwards.
Speaker 2:Is there something equivalent to you that's like you've never seen or don't care about that? Maybe a lot of other people do, or maybe I would care about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely, I actually had a conversation the other day, couldn't?
Speaker 1:have been that important, because you don't remember I was going to say I'm just tired.
Speaker 2:I never watched Sandlot We've talked about that I've only seen bits and pieces of it, but Star Wars is this huge.
Speaker 3:It's a huge thing.
Speaker 2:Huge thing. I don't know if there's anything else out there that huge that people would like. It's one side or the other.
Speaker 3:There has got to be something. Never watched Star Trek. I never watched, but that's not an uncommon thing.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, I think a lot, not you, but a lot of people that are really deep in like stories, that kind of stuff are not sports guys. A lot of times you start to get to that.
Speaker 1:I think you put Harry Potter in that realm because of how big how much money? That's made. I read the books three times. That isn't surprising.
Speaker 2:So I don't know the last time I read a book.
Speaker 1:Let's not get in that conversation, because I couldn't tell you either. It's been a long time.
Speaker 2:I asked for two for Christmas a couple years ago. I got through a couple chapters with one of them.
Speaker 4:And they were sports figures.
Speaker 1:I've never hugely enjoyed reading, but again, I think it comes back to time. I don't have time to sit, I agree.
Speaker 3:Documentaries are so big, now too. It Documentaries are so big. Now too, it's almost pointless. That's true. Yeah, there's a documentary.
Speaker 1:There's a new one out about the Boston Red Sox. I've heard it's great. Oh my gosh, it's awesome. I haven't got to really mess with it, but I've heard it's great.
Speaker 3:It's similar to Full Swing Right, except for they follow one team.
Speaker 1:But you've never really watched Full.
Speaker 2:Swing. I never swing, I never have. I keep hearing about it, but it's a time thing again for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I do think you would like it because it it's got a lot of that like tgl style in. Okay, you're just seeing guys in a different light, yeah like you're actually no, I, I do enjoy that it's. It's actually. There's some really funny parts, there's some really like yeah, I think you would.
Speaker 2:You would actually when, when I have a few minutes usually it's late at night or something I find myself watching a comedy sitcom for a few, just to kind of check out for a minute or a grinding Call of Duty, which we haven't done yeah, we haven't done that in a while, that's been. I think they're all I think they're all season 3.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we never even played season 2.
Speaker 3:So I think we the last time any of us played was that same night where we all got off, and that was it I think everything just hit everybody at once, I guess so think about that like go back to it.
Speaker 2:You never know when it's going to be your last that's, but do you thought you mentioned earlier, do you know what started the stop? I guess you'd say of it out here picking balls at night and I'm plugging balls and freezing and yeah it's kind of like we started have to doing that you start getting busy with other things and then baseball season started and I just wasn't free.
Speaker 1:I couldn't get on yeah, but you go to bed at 9 30, so it's like one thing will has been looking forward to, though for probably like five months, is when it gets hot at night. He's already looking forward to late nights out here, like he's already talked about that, because it's just, it's a blast, it is like we do some of the dumbest stuff, like I mean having isaac up here and we're literally hitting glow-in-the-dark balls at each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like oh no we had. We had the mule out there we'd go down the field and film them. Coming at you like trying to hit the mule it's like pitch black and those.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we gotta buy some more of those. Those are cool yeah I forgot about those but yeah just stuff like that.
Speaker 2:It'd be 1 am out here, Will was one of the first ones in the simulator. Out here with us Was yeah, Until 1 o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1:We were playing Orchard Trace.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:We were playing that until like 2 am.
Speaker 3:That was fun.
Speaker 1:That's when I was still driving 45 minutes. I had to get my truck after that and go all the way to the other side of Henderson. I was going to say you're still all over there, yeah it was a late night. But think about it now how many things do we have to play?
Speaker 2:Well, this top tracer, yeah, I mean it's game changer.
Speaker 1:It's changed. It's so much easier. That's why we got rid of the simulator. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We didn't need it, but here's the thing.
Speaker 1:You walk up, you click a button. It's easy, it's really easy. So yeah again, if you haven't tried it, if you just want something to do, come try it. Yeah, it's fun my four-year-old today has beaten every level of Angry Birds. I mean, he is having a blast.
Speaker 2:I was out here a week or so ago, maybe two weeks now, and I'm assuming it was a couple I don't know, I think it was a guy and a girl come up and they were not old but older, maybe 30s or something. I don't know. You know, not kids is what I mean by that, sure, and they're like oh yeah, somebody told us about this place and we wanted to come try Angry Birds.
Speaker 1:We heard about Angry Birds, birds we heard about angry birds like of everything we have here. You heard about angry birds a little bit. It's actually fun, like I played it.
Speaker 2:I played it with my little one a couple days ago and it's it's actually angry birds supposed to be on my phone or on a computer just like that, like I mean you have to do something, but it feels very, very similar to that somebody was playing it the other day out here I was talking I can't remember who it was and they oh, I think it's the guy that brought us a vending machine, yeah, and he kept shooting it over the top. He's like I can't get this ball down. So, uh, it still takes a little bit.
Speaker 1:Well, I say, it depends on what level you have it on okay so the high, the more difficult level, the farther they are actually away. That's where it's different. That means it's 12-15. I can see the look on your face.
Speaker 3:He's already dreading it you have nothing to do tomorrow, I know, but I'm just thinking about Monday, when my alarm goes off.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:That's like three days from now you have time to catch up. Have you had to go in? I know you've had baseball, but have you had to kind of go into the classroom at all or anything over spring break? Does it have to work a little bit? I?
Speaker 3:have a lot to do. Yeah, tomorrow's going to be a big school day, when you finally get there, have you done?
Speaker 1:anything this week.
Speaker 3:No, so that's why this is what I would do in college.
Speaker 2:I would cram it at the end. Procrastinator.
Speaker 3:I'd have a paper due Sunday night, I'd be like Saturday.
Speaker 2:I'd be like I should probably start. I should probably start. It's probably the best grades you get when you just throw something out there.
Speaker 3:I don't know, because that's all I ever did.
Speaker 4:I don't know what it was like you don't know the difference.
Speaker 3:I actually like planned it up, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's genetics that just 100% blame your parents regardless. I was one of those guys that never technically went to college. I did a little bit of online stuff, but I was that way in high school.
Speaker 1:I did that in high school. I wanted to do everything else that I could for as long as possible and then I'll finally do that.
Speaker 2:I always had good grades, but I was not bringing work home no, I can't talk about it.
Speaker 3:So many teachers nowadays have made the switch. They're not sending work home. No, no, I don't. Even I can't talk about. Yeah, but so many teachers nowadays have made the switch.
Speaker 1:They're not sending work home because it wasn't getting done. I hate homework.
Speaker 3:There's still a lot that do but there's a lot that I don't send homework home because it's just more for me to do. I could see that makes sense it's just more papers for me to grade see, as a dad, my daughter.
Speaker 2:I'm like she's there all. When she comes home she's got softball going on. She wants to spend time with her family. I don't want her to have to go do homework. That's the way I feel about it.
Speaker 3:Amen to that. I'll teach your daughter. Yeah, she's going to love my class.
Speaker 1:Gosh when she gets to high school, I'm going to be like, no, you can't have him. Worst possible, have him Where's possible class.
Speaker 2:I'm saying you're going to Will's class and you give him a hard time nonstop. Yeah, but most of your hallways that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are Like, they're all very, that's actually a really good hallway.
Speaker 4:to be honest with you, it's the best hallway.
Speaker 1:They're not the. Let's send you hours of work. Yeah, If they send something home. It's because a here's 15 hours. I need you to finish.
Speaker 2:Well, there's one For the last 20 minutes. I feel like Tyler's, like a rotisserie chicken.
Speaker 3:I know he's just like rotating around the.
Speaker 1:Go sit in that chair for a minute. I don't know if it's where, it's through that other breezeway, but that wind was hitting and I couldn't do it. I was over there to it. I mean, if I had different clothes, maybe Fire-retardant stuff, I'd try it.
Speaker 2:I got you it's cold. Yeah, my toes are getting cold. That's kind of the time where I like it Well, so that's what it's been.
Speaker 1:So when it gets really hot out here, we're not going to wind it, we won't. Yeah, it's a little different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if it wasn't so cold now, we'll be back out there hitting golf balls in a minute.
Speaker 3:Listen, he's already threatened to cut the cables so that nobody else can come due the close to the pin, seriously, because he's like I'm winning this thing, I'm winning that. $50 means a lot to me.
Speaker 1:Ten bucks, you don't win I.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm winning that. $50 means a lot to me. $10 you don't win. I don't have $10.
Speaker 4:Hence why?
Speaker 3:I'm so focused on closest to the pin I love it.
Speaker 2:He's going to win one to be able to pay you the $10. Exactly.
Speaker 1:It's true. All right, you win this one, I'll bet you the next one.
Speaker 3:All right deal, I bet I will win this one. I bet I will, All right, you win this one. I'll bet you the next one, all right deal.
Speaker 2:I bet I will win this one. I believe in you, Thank you, and I think you're going to get closer, though I don't think what you got now is going to win it, but I think you're going to get closer.
Speaker 1:No, we both had that conversation. He doesn't think what he has now wins it Over Monday the end of the month.
Speaker 3:Oh, is it the end of the month?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I have time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you still have a couple weeks.
Speaker 3:I'm sure like throwing them from the.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I'll pick it up Some. It depends on the angle that you throw it. If you come out, a little bit of sidearm action it'll 100%, that's what I throw anyway. Yeah if you go like over, it doesn't. I've tested it, so underhand toss You've got to do underhand toss.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can do that, see if that'll work 120.
Speaker 1:120 yards underhand toss. You've got to take a knee on the mat.
Speaker 2:Take a knee, put your hand down the ball and kind of shove it out there. Yeah, like it looked like it came off a golf glove.
Speaker 1:That's chucking it.
Speaker 3:I couldn't throw a baseball 120 yards in the air, so there's no way I could throw a golf ball.
Speaker 1:Way lighter.
Speaker 3:Way lighter, wouldn't carry as far.
Speaker 1:What do you think you could throw?
Speaker 3:A baseball. No no, golf ball 80.
Speaker 2:I mean, we have a way to find out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm curious 80. 80.
Speaker 2:80 yards Over under you, going over under you're going over under. I'm trying to think 80 yards. I'm comparing it to baseball here, just think about a smaller ball. I'm thinking smaller ball.
Speaker 1:I'm saying over.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking third baseman to first. Yeah, I'm going to say over okay.
Speaker 3:I would I used to be able to throw a baseball the length of a football field.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking of what I can throw out here, because what I have thrown out here testing it and I know you can throw it farther than I can like- that If you let me run into it and grow up, I could probably hey, we're going to go find out here in a minute. No, no no One step throw.
Speaker 2:One step.
Speaker 1:There's a step.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but what's know? I mean it's a shot.
Speaker 1:But that's so. I'm thinking from Matt to Green Pole. It's 75.
Speaker 2:It's probably further than you think, like you. Just you look out there and you're like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, I could throw it further than Green Pole.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. Like I've thrown it to the Green Pole. That's why I know I can do that, so I could probably throw. I mean, I think you okay.
Speaker 2:Update on next podcast. We're going to find out in a minute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll find out a hundred. Get that arm ready, start getting, start getting the joints going.
Speaker 2:Tyler's got to kick some field goals.
Speaker 1:You said you were looking forward to late nights.
Speaker 3:We're giving you a late night.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, what field are we going to do that on? We'll find one. It's going to have to be in Rosman.
Speaker 2:We can do that.
Speaker 1:We can do that Actually. Yeah, they're under construction, aren't they? Yeah, there it looks. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 3:I'm tapping out.
Speaker 2:Combine them be done. Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 3:I have nothing else to talk about. I got to fight about NASCAR for like 20 minutes. That was awesome.
Speaker 2:You would love that part. That was my favorite part. Listen, Tyler and I fight about NASCAR. We fought about NASCAR a couple times. For somebody that doesn't watch NASCAR, he sure likes to give me a hard time about NASCAR for some reason.
Speaker 3:I generally do agree with Tyler on a lot, but I do disagree with you on that.
Speaker 4:It's about time I get somebody on my side around here You're, brian, listen, brian was on your side.
Speaker 2:Brian was on my side on most stuff too, except the baseball thing. You guys are just killing me on that, but regardless, as long as you stay on my side, you're welcome back.
Speaker 3:Thank you, I'm playing the game too. Oh, of course I know that David likes what you said and I'm welcome back, so yeah, he's got as long as I whatever David says is the gospel about NASCAR.
Speaker 2:I'm allowed to come back. Just agree with me on NASCAR.
Speaker 1:We don't care about nothing else boom, get in your truck and leave. I don't care, there were 10 minutes in, I'm kicking you out, yeah no but it's, it's been another fun episode. Thanks will for being here and, uh, we'll see you guys next week. Yep, thanks everybody for listening.