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From Bubble Teams to Bracket Busters: Who Will Surprise Us in March?
The NCAA Tournament field is set, and David and Tyler have thoughts – lots of them. The bubble team debate takes center stage as they dissect North Carolina's controversial inclusion and question the committee's decision to make them play in the First Four. When the conversation turns to the SEC's unprecedented 14 tournament bids, skepticism abounds. Are these teams truly deserving, or has media influence tilted the selection process?
Bracket prediction season is in full swing, with both hosts identifying vulnerable higher seeds while sharing their upset picks. Wisconsin-Montana and Oregon-Liberty emerge as potential bracket-busters, while a fascinating debate unfolds about whether Kansas should fear Arkansas in what could be a classic 4-13 upset scenario. The conversation weaves through officiating inconsistencies, tournament formatting flaws, and whether the "first four" games actually make logical sense.
A thoughtful discussion about NIL impact reveals how dramatically the college basketball landscape has changed. "You will never see a team like Cal Perry put together with Wall and Cousins... you will never see that again," they observe, noting how talent distribution has created more parity and unpredictability. This naturally transitions into youth sports development, where they express concern about early specialization and the balance between competitive development and burnout.
The episode wraps with entertaining tangents about golf, from the PGA Tour's complex scoring system to innovative formats like TGL that might attract new fans. Throughout it all, the hosts maintain their trademark banter and lived-in friendship that makes listeners feel like they're joining two buddies discussing sports over drinks at their favorite local spot.
Welcome back to the Not A News Podcast here once again with David and Tyler I said them the other way around this time, just for you.
Speaker 2:You know, I thought you said my name first because I was more important, maybe, or something like that.
Speaker 1:What was? It, you were going to say tonight you weren't going to speak.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right, I'm only here, so I don't get fined.
Speaker 1:Too bad. His contract doesn't have any money in it, so I can't really fine him, but we're actually here live again From 4U Golf Doing our recording.
Speaker 2:It's a little windy.
Speaker 1:It's a little windy, but it's a lot warmer than last week.
Speaker 2:Oh, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:Last week got really cold by the end of the podcast. We really didn't pack anything up, we just gave up and kind of went home, said we're out of here.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, cobra is not one of those names that a lot of people think about when they think of golf clubs. It's always, you know, the big brands, not in America they're huge in Europe, which makes no sense to me.
Speaker 1:So it does make sense to me because they're really good. We've partnered with them for a couple years now, a couple years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it, we've started playing cobra clubs and so I love it, I love.
Speaker 1:I feel like everybody knew of cobra drivers and woods because of bryson. That's true, but when you go to irons it's like who is playing that besides ricky fowler yeah, and it was like that's the only guy that's had him for many, many years. And then you start hitting them and you're like, oh yes, it's actually really really good, good stuff. So that that's, uh, you know, one of those partnerships we've gotten to build with them, and it's been a lot, a lot of fun you know, I feel like I simply started this.
Speaker 2:The wind picked up. The wind did. It's been whipping right through my microphone right here. I know, I know.
Speaker 1:So I apologize for the wind, but that's what happens when you're on site like, yeah, I mean so we were literally I clicked the button getting ready to do the intro, and we got a group, four young guys.
Speaker 1:We're out here kind of finishing up cleaning up, and one of the guys walking by and you just tell like he's he's interested, he's trying to figure out, he's amused for lack of a better term and he's over here watching and it just took what's up man and he's over here watching and it just took what's up man and he was like, oh, I could talk to them, like of course as we continue. If you see us out somewhere, come talk to us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even if we're recording, I don't care, interrupt us.
Speaker 1:It's okay because it'll be fun. Yeah, because, ultimately, if you say something I don't like, I'll just edit it out.
Speaker 2:Like it's not that hard. Not that hard. We had a fan club behind us for a minute.
Speaker 1:We did, yeah, and it's one of those just cool little things of just getting the name out there, continuing the growth and continuing all the fun stuff that goes with it. But we're actually here on site watching some guys practice and watching Xavier Texas, which, honestly, the score feels closer than what the game is. Xavier's not looked good.
Speaker 2:Last play in game. For what? 11th seed or whatever it is, don't start.
Speaker 1:I knew why you said it. I was trying to get it going, but let's go right into that, okay, because we've got an 11 play in game, let's do it. We had a really big one last night because there's so going around all day today is, you know they they're like, oh, but we shouldn't be here, watch this yeah and it's a picture of, you know, the dream team from the 90s.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's what you want if you're the, you know the great coach they have your players just wasn't good enough oh my gosh, you're on one already. You're starting really on it's this great coach and the players just weren't getting it done.
Speaker 1:I'm just here, so I don't get fined. All right, we get to this topic.
Speaker 2:The players weren't getting it done and then they almost didn't get in. Everybody's mad and the players said okay, fine, we're going to show you.
Speaker 1:So I'll say this RJ Davis came to play for the first game all year.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It felt like that's the first time all year we've seen him just shoot.
Speaker 2:I mean that's the best time if you're going to do it.
Speaker 1:Agreed? Yeah, because you lose. Now it's over. There's no more games, it's it. Once you're in the NCAA tournament, they don't call you to come to the crown out in Vegas. You're not getting that phone call.
Speaker 2:Put your fandom aside.
Speaker 1:Oh, fandom aside Should I have been very hard on them all year. The problem is, when you look they're a 20 plus win team, they don't really have any really bad losses, but they also don't have any really good wins either. That's what I think everybody's arguing is that's the key. They've only beat two teams in the tournament and one of those those is also in a play-in for the 16th team.
Speaker 2:I think they were what 1-13 against squad one wins, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I understood the argument against them. But then if you're going to take them out, you've got to put somebody in. And who's more important to put in? Because the argument then goes to West Virginia, indiana, ohio State kind of that range and it's well we beat such and such, we beat such and such. You know, west virginia said well, we beat kansas, we beat ohio state, but look who you lost to. Also, you didn't like you mentioned. They didn't get to 20 wins.
Speaker 1:One of them was 17 and 15, I think, or something like that so you're barely over 500 I have a hard time putting a team in the in unless they win the conference championship. If you don't have 20 wins, yeah, that's hard to.
Speaker 2:All three of them lost in either the first round or the second round of their conference tournament.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ohio State was first round, indiana was second round.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so for those two it's like that's hard. I think West Virginia was second round, maybe.
Speaker 1:That's a really hard thing for me to say. Well, you didn't go far in a much easier tournament.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, and yet you want to go to this tournament and I know it's a little. It's a little different basketball because you have a lot more teams that get in, but we made the argument with football and it's kind of the same argument. If you don't want to be in that position, first of all don't be on the bubble, and it helps you a ton. Yeah, let's win more.
Speaker 1:I mean there's 64 teams. It sounds so simple. It's like we'll just be better, but ultimately you just got to win games, okay.
Speaker 2:We're taking oh sorry, I said 60. We're taking 68 teams. Yeah, there's 68 teams. Just be like 60th and you're fine. There's no question. No, so there's two things.
Speaker 1:Don't show up all season and win your conference tournament. Yeah, or that's the other thing. Or get to 22, 23, three wins in a big conference, and they can't deny you yeah, we said that with football we'll go in your conference tournament or your conference championship, you're guaranteed it. I mean, you're in, there's no argument, nothing so everybody's got the same ability.
Speaker 2:And we said the other day what I think, we said 32 conferences, I think, like that, yeah, so so basically half the field's already guaranteed.
Speaker 1:It is. So if you want to be guaranteed, just go win the tournament. That's that's. The hard part is you get a team like West Virginia who is trying to make this argument to the point that they've got the governor wanting to investigate the NCAA. That's silly and I'm like we're talking sports, Like guys chill out. It's not that real. I understand you want your team there and you're proud of them and you want to do this, but that's just getting a little ridiculous.
Speaker 2:I guess that is a hit against the community. As far as financially, maybe Maybe you'd bring in some revenue. I don't know.
Speaker 1:But it's not football. The thing is like basketball doesn't make the same revenue football does, so you're not getting the same numbers.
Speaker 2:You're not playing at home either.
Speaker 1:No, absolutely not.
Speaker 2:So I don't know.
Speaker 1:Obviously, the school loses these first four games, which it's stupid to call them the first four, like either the tournament started or it hasn't like figure that out. The first four is in ohio, so the only like basically xavier's playing a home game basically they're right there. None of the other teams are getting any good revenue from that like no, that's so, I don't know why. The coach for his resume it's well we made the tournament.
Speaker 2:You know, because a lot of a lot of smaller teams or not super successful long-term teams gauge, if we make the tournament, we've done great so, looking at it, when I first saw north carolina got in because I I was so excited to watch it and I had to be at a softball practice and I was going to record it and I forgot. And so I got home home that night and I was like, oh yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, but then I texted you and I was like hey, we're up by 40.
Speaker 2:This isn't a game. Oh, you did yes.
Speaker 1:Like what is going on here.
Speaker 2:But I saw North Carolina was in and I mean it was like, oh no who did?
Speaker 1:they leave out the first four also, so I was like other play. Okay, I'm fine. So texas and texas xavier san diego state and carolina were all on the same boat, do you?
Speaker 2:think they were that last four. Carolina only made it because how well they did in the tournament and I know they still got beaten. What the semifinals?
Speaker 1:they lost in the semifinals to duke yeah to duke and they played them again, honestly, other than the withers kid doing a lane violation, not as the shooter, which I can't figure out what he's trying to do.
Speaker 2:I don't know either. I told you I kind of felt bad for the kid, I don't. He was ready to sink, I'm like send him home. He doesn't need to be here, right now, that would have took it to overtime. I don't know if they would have won still.
Speaker 1:Momentum-wise, though, that's big Like for a team like that to be like. All right, we're still here.
Speaker 2:They were down 21. 21 at halftime, 21 at half.
Speaker 1:So to make it to overtime is a huge deal in that point Because momentum-wise you're thinking we clawed our way back and we didn't give up. At the end we got here.
Speaker 2:I still think it's funny. That's tough On the podcast last week conferences who help a team get further than they should to get them in the tournament and all of a sudden but I don't think that's what happened with this, because if you look, if you look, if they would have beat duke and then ended up winning the conference championship to where they're guaranteed in, I could say maybe okay.
Speaker 1:But I said but the teams that they beat was teams they've already beat this year.
Speaker 2:So, like some of them, multiple times- but my argument was you don't like make them win, but you put them in the game and give them a chance. Okay, they're down 21-and-a-half. Duke's best player is hurt. All of a sudden they're back in it and if the guy doesn't do lane violations, they might have won. Well, because he hit the free throw to tie it so maybe they did set it up for them to win and the guy just I don't know what he was doing.
Speaker 1:That, to me, is a hard part. I didn't get to watch much of the second half, unfortunately. So that's what I wanted to watch first half, and I watched second half, didn't really get a chance to watch as much as I would like to, and I'm not saying this is what happened, but there are many, many games that are blowouts, that all of a sudden get close, because officiating makes a huge shift.
Speaker 2:It does.
Speaker 1:And again, I'm not saying that's what happened in this game, but it's just, you do see that quite a bit, where officials get lax and all of a sudden it's really physical and the team that likes the physicality is like hey, we're right here. And for Duke, a team that doesn't have, arguably, one of the best players in the country, it's a much different rotation.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to sit here and say Cooper Flagg was out because they're helping North Carolina get in like that.
Speaker 1:But when I first heard it. If you watch the game that he gets hurt, he was out because he got hurt, but when I first heard it, I remembered what we said on the podcast and I was like, yep, here we go. Yes, and I do see that. So my argument that I had said two, three, four weeks ago I can't remember if Carolina wins out, except losing to Duke at the end of the season and makes it three rounds deep or more therein.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you did say that that was the statement I made and that seemed to work, and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1:That worked, but if you really look at the last portion of their season, they weren't even close. Every game they played was a 20-point game against teams they should be beating by 20.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The only game they lost was duke, which was kind of expected in your mind.
Speaker 2:Was there anybody that stuck out, that kind of got the wrong end of the deal?
Speaker 1:because I've got one that sticks out my mind as far as ranking as far as like a yeah, they're not making it. Well, either way, I have to say 100 louisville, louisville that's who I was gonna say too. So if you look at the sec, which the SEC right now getting 14 teams in unheard of. Oh, that was crazy so we've never had conferences this big, so you couldn't get that many in before. A lot of the conferences used to be 12 teams.
Speaker 2:There's only two left out.
Speaker 1:But 14 of 16 getting in is absolutely absurd. But you look at some of those and it's like not even as good of a record and those guys are at three and four in Louisville. Who's beat all the teams? They should beat everybody that was in their path, the exception of you know. I think Clemson wants Duke and it's like, hey, you get an eight. It's a little if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2:Every team like in the final ranking of like top 10 was like one, two. I'm mistaken. Every team in the final ranking of top 10 was like 1, 2, 3, and they're 8.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody was like a 1, 2, or 3, and they were an 8. Yes, that to me is the one that stuck out.
Speaker 2:Now I will say they did them a favor.
Speaker 1:Oh, they got the best 8 possible. So, I don't know if you saw if they win this first round.
Speaker 2:The second round is played. Well, both rounds, but they would play in Lexington, kentucky, which is 65 miles from Louisville. It's down the road.
Speaker 1:There's not much of a travel.
Speaker 2:It's Auburn, right, they'd play.
Speaker 1:But I do also think they got the best number one. I do think the South is not super difficult. I think as you get middle of the pack in the South, it's kind of just so-so. I think as you get middle of the pack in the south, it's kind of just so-so. I think Michigan State's a good team.
Speaker 2:I think Iowa State's solid, even though Louisville got Auburn, they did Auburn no favors.
Speaker 1:If they play Louisville, it's going to be a home game for Louisville, no they did Auburn no favors, but at the same time they didn't really do Louisville because, honestly, creighton's a good team. Creighton's got a seven-footer. That's tough. It's going to be interesting, and I've fooled around with brackets, just messed around. We've got the big one going on for you golf, the group one that we're giving away some prizes for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you need to get in on that, but it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1:I started clicking through some and I'm like I could go a hundred different ways here, like this season's just been so wild.
Speaker 2:This year? I don't know, I don't know what to do?
Speaker 1:Louisville could upset Auburn Very especially with it, like you said, being where it's at.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's effectively a home game. It's right down the road. I don't personally think they do. I think I actually have Auburn in my final four, but it's very possible.
Speaker 2:I haven't filled out a bracket yet, just been busy. And then we've got these first four games going on and so we'll get that out of the way tonight and I'll do some brackets. But yeah, I don't know. You know you never want to go like with the one seed usually because some of them get knocked off, typically Right, but this is a year that the ones are pretty good, so they are.
Speaker 1:But if you also look at the 8-9s that they would play round two, they're pretty good too. So this is the year that I'm sitting here looking at You've got Auburn and Florida, the first one. I'm looking on the South and the West. You win round one. You play either Louisville or Creighton, two solid teams. Creighton's played really well against UConn this year. They played really well against St John's. They played really well pretty much against everybody they've played. But then you go down to Florida. You win. You get either UConn or Oklahoma. So they either get a conference game so there's plenty of film, you know what they're going to do or you get a UConn team that's won back-to-back national championships. That's still like. Those guys know how to be there.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying they're great this year, but they know how to be there.
Speaker 2:That's still the thing I want to see is the SEC. I want to see what they do.
Speaker 1:The biggest thing that's hurting the SEC is they got 14 in and you can only spread them out so much. Oh, they're going to hit each other at some point.
Speaker 2:I mean again does all 14 win first round or does 10 or 12? You know, to me, if 10 wins their first round game, I feel that's a success.
Speaker 1:I think it depends on who they play, because there's some of them. I mean, obviously every year you look, there's four quadrants.
Speaker 2:There's always one that everybody deems well that's the easy quadrant, like it's just the way it is.
Speaker 1:But for any, I just kind of want to see where it's at, because you look at, okay, if old miss wins against a carolina team that just played fantastic last night, if they play half as good as that and old miss can beat them, okay they're dangerous yeah, but north carolina hasn't been that all year, so which north carolina team's gonna show? Up.
Speaker 2:They've shown up like that maybe two or three times all year for one conference, though, to have even just have 10 teams in the second round I don't care who they played like that's pretty, uh pretty good accomplishment I I'm still not sold on them.
Speaker 1:I think it really helps that sec has really good partnership with espn. Yeah, I think that goes a long ways, and I said I'll say for football too, I don't think it's just basketball.
Speaker 2:What is more likely? Okay, 10 teams move on to round two at the SEC, or seven, or let's put the over under. Where's the over under at Eight?
Speaker 1:No, I think. I honestly think we're closer to five.
Speaker 2:To the second round. Yeah, okay Just because you got to look at where they're at Okay, historically, 11 beating a six pretty common.
Speaker 1:12 beating a five pretty common 13 beating a four pretty common. They're all in those really bad, dangerous spots.
Speaker 2:So right now you give me the over-under SEC teams in the second round. Over-under six.
Speaker 1:Well, so you wouldn't do it at six. It'd be either five and a half or six and a half.
Speaker 2:That's just where they would throw it. Five and a half, then. Since you said five, you're going under.
Speaker 1:I think I would take the under on that. Okay, I'm going over. I really do, because you've got to look at Georgia plays Gonzaga Gonzaga's tough and they're playing really good right now. I don't know that they can win that game yeah you've got an oklahoma team that doesn't know how to play in the tournament because they haven't been there playing a yukon team against a coach that's won the last two, I'm gonna say we get eight or more in the second round I just think that's gonna be really tough looking at who they're playing.
Speaker 1:Texas a&m has a trap game. They play Yale.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I get it, but Nobody's watched the Yale game all year.
Speaker 2:I believe in the SEC. I really do.
Speaker 1:Now maybe not 14 teams, but that top 8 Well, I believe, depending on what happens here, they may not even have 14.
Speaker 2:Well, that's true.
Speaker 1:They gotta play in game Just to get that 14th Into the draw.
Speaker 2:I agree with that, but I think the top 10 or so I believe are legit 8 to 10.
Speaker 1:I've not been sold all year though, Like I told you, that middle of the pack of the SEC I don't think is any better than anybody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like their middle of the pack.
Speaker 1:I don't think is better than Louisville or Clemson. We had the same In ACC or Iowa State.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you're talking top two and three in ACC versus the middle of.
Speaker 1:SEC. But if you look at the ACC this year those are middle of the pack teams other than Duke.
Speaker 2:The good thing is that's we could sit here and everybody's doing it. We can argue about SEC all year but, but what's great about basketball? We get to see it. We did not get to see a full sample in football good thing, because they all got beat but we only got a couple in. I would still argue the best ones didn't get in.
Speaker 1:The one that that everybody's like oh you know they're gonna be tough honestly didn't stand a chance because they played a high state I agree, tennessee and then like I don't think it mattered who played them at that point, I think they were lost yep, but the other ones like but for the most part, didn't look good.
Speaker 2:good, it's going to make it fun. You know I heard an argument. You know a lot of people are that's a lot of older crowd, I think that's against NIL and they're getting ready to pass the law where the schools are going to take over. It don't have to be from a different thing. Correct and people are against it, but I heard an argument that that's what's made basketball so good this year, because it's spread out talent. And they might be right. I mean because it's been pretty good.
Speaker 1:I'm excited for it. I'm not against the NIL, I'm just against the way that we currently do it.
Speaker 2:Well, that's where.
Speaker 1:I don't have a problem with the kids making money. I don't have a problem. I mean, here's the thing these kids, whether it's football, baseball, whatever sport it may be.
Speaker 2:They are making just a school millions upon millions, upon millions of dollars.
Speaker 1:They have been for years. They are making the NCAA millions upon millions, upon millions of dollars. I don't like the NCAA. I don't think they're a good organization. I don't think they do a good job at running really anything. You know, they have these things that they impose these rules, and they impose these, these rules, and they impose all these things and I'm like, all right, well, these are rules that you made, that you were imposing two years ago that now they don't count because nil, like well, that's stupid, like well. That's where I know times have changed, but it just it's such a we're gonna do what we want type thing and they have no governing body over top of them well.
Speaker 2:Well, that's where this giving it to the schools instead of these separate organizations to do NIL I think it's going to be better. Let the schools pay them. You can again. We've talked about contracts and all that. I think it actually cleans it up. I did too.
Speaker 1:I mean really, I think it's a better idea.
Speaker 2:The NCAA says they want that too, because they can regulate it better.
Speaker 1:And that might be true because it's coming through the schools now instead of just random people giving money whenever. Well, I would say yeah. For me, I think, when you really look at if the school takes it, it's easier to get access to all the trail of money. It's easier to see why did this money get shifted, why did you know some it's? To me it's a little bit easier to see the oddities.
Speaker 1:It's where, if it's an outside thing kind of whatever you want still, yeah, it's just saying, hey, it's almost allowed to do whatever you want instead so I agree with it.
Speaker 2:Do you think that's played a part in college basketball being the way it is this year?
Speaker 1:I think it's played a part for the past several years. Yeah, um, there's no reason for, like we said, you will never see a team like Cal Perry put together with Wall and Cousins, and I mean they were sending bench guys. I mean, daniel Orton made it to the NBA as a first-round pick, kid barely played.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:And not that he wasn't good. I mean, he didn't make it in the NBA, which you know fine, a lot of people don't. But you will never see that again. I don't feel.
Speaker 2:Well, especially if they make a cap.
Speaker 1:A kid like that is going to just go take more money to go start somewhere else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if they make a cap, like they're saying they're going to do, I don't think you're going to see deep teams because there's still guys that developed late and they went to you know some JUCO and all they're like, wait, where did this kid come from? And you just kind of missed it, because development's a tricky thing. That to me is such a hard job, that recruiting trail, where your job counts on getting these guys in and then they have to produce. They got to produce but you're putting your. I mean it's like a lottery. I mean it's an 18-year-old kid that you're hoping comes in and doesn't act stupid and Some of these scouts are good.
Speaker 1:Oh, they are, Trust me, they are.
Speaker 2:They can see talent in somebody that we don't think is good.
Speaker 1:You look at some of these teams that will pick up guys, you're like, why, why would you get him?
Speaker 1:And he gets there and you're like, oh, okay, that's why you see that in football a lot oh, football way more like guys that get completely overlooked and then all of a sudden they're stars. Or you'll get a guy that comes in as like a one star. Next thing you know he transfers to a power five and he's putting up numbers that you're like well, how did we miss it? And and I'll say this because I've been talking to will about some baseball recruiting stuff here recently and he talks about, well, brevard, baseball got some good players, but they don't get looked at because one, where we are, yeah, it's a small town, but then two, they just don't have that heritage of it. But you go over to TC, which is Asheville, right up the road, they have nine kids going D1 this year and he's like, it's not that they're just a top team in the country, but they have that pedigree that everybody wants a TC kid because of their work ethic.
Speaker 2:That's where they've come from, they build it so much.
Speaker 1:Apparently, those kids play baseball together from day one and it's like you're not allowed to go play somewhere else. We're going to play travel together, we're going to play season together and we jump right back in. So it's just all they know is each other and playing. And I mean TC's produced pros. I mean they've put several guys in the pros that have done well. So it's just a lot of. It sometimes depends on where you're at why we're seeing more kids move through high school than we used to see. I mean you'll have kids transferring or going to a fifth-year prep school or whatever it may be, because then they're going to get noticed. So it's very different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. You know from high school. Well, I mean, all kids are starting even earlier ages. Now I said I'm doing travel ball with 12 of you, right?
Speaker 1:now We've done 10 of you last year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, you know, like these kids and the level of talent you see at this age. It's nuts, it's crazy, but they're starting so much younger, they're building this program so much younger, like you said, they're staying together.
Speaker 1:Well, but we talked about that one day too Pretty sure it was off podcast. But in sports especially and I think it's really with all kinds of skills, but in sports especially they are starting so much younger, on a bigger scale. Not that we weren't playing those sports when we were kids, but not to the scale that the kids are now.
Speaker 2:No, and if you want to play as you get older, you have to start young. You've got to start now and you've got to take it serious.
Speaker 1:Very.
Speaker 2:When I was a kid, if you were 10 years old.
Speaker 1:You just had fun with it.
Speaker 2:I don't necessarily like that I just feel like you're.
Speaker 1:It's not, that's kind of my thought. As far as being a kid, because too many of them. It may not even be what the kid wants to do, because it's the parent like I'm going to push them to this and they're going to work hard and they're going to do this and then all of a sudden get to high school, college, and they're not doing that and they don't really have any other skills I worry about burnout.
Speaker 2:Oh, 100%, you know being in something my daughter loves it, and we're doing Little League and she still has a little bit of time in that and we're doing travel ball.
Speaker 1:But I also know she just came out of basketball season. She did. But the thing is, as long as you're doing other things, the burnout isn't as likely to me in my thought, because me growing up I played a sport. Every season I had something, so obviously I had my things that I really tried to perfect and tried to be best at, but it was all about having something different. Just keeps you from feeling like my entire life surrounds this one thing.
Speaker 2:A lot of college coaches say that's what they want. They want kids who play several sports.
Speaker 1:They want well-rounded people.
Speaker 2:yeah, but at the same time. You can't be as talented if you don't focus on one or two main sports, so it's a little tough right now so to me like playing a sport every season.
Speaker 1:I was playing two sports basically year round, and I would throw in a third during that season. Basically that was the only time off I had, whether it was weather issues or whatever, but then you'd be inside, you'd it's still your workout, you're still keeping your lungs the right way, you're still. You know all those things.
Speaker 2:But wind's picking up. The wind is picking up strong. It's about to blow me away.
Speaker 1:But I do think, though, you've got to have some diversity. It's really hard to you know, all my life, all I've ever done like for your daughter, all my life, all I've ever done Like for your daughter, all my life, all I've ever done is softball. Mess up your shoulder. Now what? Like you don't even have anything else you can do for the fun of it. For me it's hard.
Speaker 2:I loved football and that's all I focused on when I was a kid and then I got hurt in high school and I was kind of done and I look back so I ran a great track, you know uh runner Till you got the state.
Speaker 1:I know the story. No, no.
Speaker 2:I mean, we did decent at state. We wasn't great or nothing, but um.
Speaker 1:But that again preface that's a tough state to do it in from the area you live in and then all of a sudden you're going against the Lexington and Louisville kids. Yeah, a little different.
Speaker 2:Well, not me, but the thing was like we we won our region and and lots that. I won tons of races but I didn't care about it. So I done it one year and quit because all I want to do is football yeah, if you're not, if you're not invested, it's just like what am I doing? No, but then I look back now and it's like, man, I wish I'd played a little bit of this you should have done more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I should have done more, just for the fun of it, nothing else. Then I wonder how would I have been at that sport? I look back and go. You know I bet I could have done that sport pretty good, but it just wasn't on my mind. I didn't care about it. I was focused and locked in on one thing, and so I could see where that's an issue. But again, the way you start so young, you're behind. If you're not all in on something Like you can do some other things with it, but you got to be all in on something well.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing I played two sports in college. I was very, very fortunate I don't I don't take that for granted like to be able to have made it to the level I did, which is very, very small, but to be able to make it there, and I was much, much better at one sport but I didn't care for it the same. Yeah, it's kind of like just what you're saying. Like it, like you have to love it. Decent at basketball. I was not a great basketball player, like I was good enough to make it there, but basketball has just always been the thing. So playing tennis I mean the amount of time I devoted to tennis was unreal. I mean I didn't have fourth period at school so I could go work with a coach and play. Like that's literally all we did was travel in tournaments and all those things, and I loved it, but not like I love basketball.
Speaker 2:That's it so I could just never.
Speaker 1:I could never really devote myself to that level. And so then when all of a sudden you know had a shoulder injury in college and kind of, both of those things were gone, it's like, well, crap, now what? Now what? Like I've put so much time and effort and again I don't look back like I'm upset that I put all that time and effort because I have so many great memories from just travel tournaments or traveling to tennis tournaments in South Carolina, and I mean there's one I can remember I went to and it was supposed to be like 50 or 60 degrees, it turned out to be 40, with 30 mile an hour winds and it was freezing, I'd be like, yeah, I'm going home guys.
Speaker 1:We literally had to go to the mall and buy clothes Cause I had shorts and shorts and t-shirts and then all of a sudden it's like I need pants and a jacket, like it was. It was horrible, but I mean I have a lot of just.
Speaker 2:I don't play sports in that way, so I don't. Yeah, it was freezing most of the time we played football, yeah, football that's what you want in that sport. I wasn't far up north, but I was further than I am now.
Speaker 1:Oh, much more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, much more, and it was cold, but it's something about it. I didn't care, I mean, I was just you know.
Speaker 1:But even during football season, like when it gets to that weather, you're like ooh, it's football weather.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something about it, the nice sunny. We don't want the wind, we want to enjoy the, the surrounding, that's. You know you did a little bit too. You know I got to to play a little bit of football here for years ago. And again, as much I hate the cold weather, it does not bother me if I'm playing the same, what? The same as long as I'm playing football, I don't care. That's the only thing I'm going to do in the cold.
Speaker 1:Anything else don't come talk to me, yeah I mean we've had the discussion like, hey, hey, I'm going to go play in a couple days and you're already looking at the weather. It says 50. I'm like, yeah, but it's going to get to like low 60s.
Speaker 2:Do I have to wear pants? That's always your question. Do I need to wear pants? And if the answer is yes, you're a no, If it's warm enough in the morning that I can start in shorts and I'll be a little chilly, but it's gonna warm up.
Speaker 1:I'm okay, I can play, but what did you see?
Speaker 2:the the thing. I sent you a ryan earlier. No, on facebook. No, I don't know what you said you gotta miss it.
Speaker 1:You gotta go look at it, because it was it literally, was I see this and I'm thinking of you. Actually, I think I was driving here, not the video I sent you? Oh, not that one, that one I just sent to you this one I sent in our group message.
Speaker 2:You know I did notice tonight I timed it up a little bit better because I had to go figure more softball practice tonight. But I got here and everything was kind of mostly set up. I was like, oh, this is so nice.
Speaker 1:This is funny that you said that, because I literally was sitting here thinking I'm going to leave it and make him do it. Yeah, but now I mean it's You're going to see me pull in.
Speaker 2:I'm going to see if it's not up yet and I'm going to turn around and go back down. This setup is so much easier. Oh, it is. This mic setup is so much going to drive around the block Just wait, You'll get here like an hour later.
Speaker 1:It's still not set up. Like at this point I'm going to have to get up there and like turn it away Like I can't let him see that it's not up yet. Or I'm just going to like throw the bag and be like we'll start when you set it.
Speaker 2:I'm not even touching it this week. Dang it. No, thought that's how it was. I just show up. Well, I thought my presence was enough, but I guess not gosh this is the worst part you're gonna look up here in a minute and I'm gonna be like tumbling over there across the grass with this way. Don't take this wrong, but you ain't asking I knew, I knew he was gonna have a fat joke.
Speaker 1:I mean, listen, I'm not a small guy, so I'm not sitting here saying that about myself. But I mean, come on, let's be a little bit real. Here round is a shape. I didn't say you weren't a shape, I just said you, you're not that small is what I was saying listen, vertically challenged does not mean that you're also listen 100 pounds vertically, vertically challenged.
Speaker 2:That's a. That's a fact, jack, I don't look at it as a challenge reaching high places. That's a challenge I'm okay you can only jump, so as I get older and more out of shape.
Speaker 1:I don't have to reach as far down to get stuff, see, so it helps out you have a reaching down and the issue you gotta get a ladder to get to the top of the refrigerator like that's, that's a problem hey, you don't put stuff on top of the refrigerator well, I feel like every time I come over Haley's like you see anything up there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I can look, I can see. Yeah, it's just easy, don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 2:It's less to clean. You don't even know what's up there All right.
Speaker 1:So going back to college basketball real quick. Do you have anybody? We've seen what a lot of it looks like. Is there anybody that stands out to you that that could be the upset that we see first?
Speaker 2:I'm just here, so I don't get fined.
Speaker 1:Oh, dear Lord, you are useless.
Speaker 2:You are useless. No, I haven't done a bracket yet. So do you think it's somebody? I think is going to win?
Speaker 1:No, I think somebody that you think is on upset alert. Oh, upset alert Like a higher seed that you're like, I just don't know.
Speaker 2:Clearly I did not listen to your question.
Speaker 1:You don't listen to anything, and I'm the one that can't hear, but you just don't listen. That's the difference.
Speaker 2:It's been a long day. Upset alert, upset alert. I don't know what do you consider upset? They got to be pretty high seed.
Speaker 1:I mean anything that's not 8-9, I kind of see as an upset. I mean 8-9 is the only one. That's not an upset to me. You're basically the same. You could switch them and you wouldn't even know. But I mean you've got 5-12, 4-13.
Speaker 2:To me Okay, let's see what you got. I think Wisconsin could be in danger.
Speaker 1:Wisconsin played really good the past couple of games in their conference tournament but didn't really look great all year, and they play a Montana team in that 14-3, which is always that's a scary spot to be. We've seen a lot of those upsets. I don't really feel the same way about Iowa State, lipscomb, but I do feel that way. Wisconsin and Montana, and then my other one that kind of stood out to me was Liberty Oregon. That's. That's really the two that I've kind of been thinking about um.
Speaker 1:Liberty is when Liberty makes a tournament. They are typically a bunch of juniors and seniors that just know how to play basketball.
Speaker 2:I can think about right now is the Liberty Mutual commercial.
Speaker 1:Where are you?
Speaker 2:I'm off today.
Speaker 1:Like we're on basketball and next thing we're talking about you know who knows what. It's a mess tonight.
Speaker 2:No, you see what I got to work with. So you want a first round episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, who do you think in your mind is somebody that really stands out, that could get beat? I mean VCU. Byu is another one, but that 6-11,. We start to get closer.
Speaker 2:I don't know, because this year I don't feel like.
Speaker 1:I'll have to give you homework for next week.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just Nobody's standing out. That's why I had to look again, because nobody comes to mind. I mean, Robert Morris beat Kentucky a few years ago. Can they knock off Alabama? I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I don't think they listen. Alabama could be in the Final Four. They're one of those teams that if they get hot shooting, they could be in the Final Four. I've said it before for Alabama they play hard-nosed defense. Nato's is fantastic. If they're hitting from deep they could be dangerous. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there's going to be a few, because there always is, but I'm going to say right now, I think there's less upsets this year than normal.
Speaker 1:I think we might see more, Do you? I'm just not.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at the bracket like not first round.
Speaker 1:But the talent pool is so much more spread out, yeah.
Speaker 2:I agree with that, but looking at that bracket, I'm just not seeing it Well.
Speaker 1:so I'll say this too, though I know for a fact I watch more basketball than most people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm sure you watch more I've. I didn't even know they existed, so some of that comes to play Now. I'll be the first one to say I've not watched the L play, Yale Tech's A&M, you know, at 14-3. Nobody's watching Ivy League basketball. Some of the old prints and stuff with the back cuts and things were fun, but Ivy League basketball anymore, not really.
Speaker 2:I was even trying to look at, you know, the higher seeds and like, okay, who do I see that's like vulnerable. Like you know they've got some weaknesses.
Speaker 1:Like a 10-7,. Are you not picking your SEC Vanderbilt over St Mary?
Speaker 2:But is that an upset 10-7?
Speaker 1:To me. You start to get upset when you've got a double figure over a single.
Speaker 2:I mean, okay, if you're going to get into that, yeah, I would agree with that one To me.
Speaker 1:The only one that I don't see as an upset is an 8-9. Outside of that, I still feel like it is a little bit of an upset, yeah. But, now St Mary's has been ranked pretty much all season, made it to their conference championship, lost to Gonzaga, which I feel like they do every year because you know, I agree with 8-9, but I think Louisville shouldn't have been an 8.
Speaker 2:So if Creighton beats them, I think that's a pretty good upset. Even though it's it's, I do think that.
Speaker 1:Louisville shouldn't be an 8. The other 8-9s feel more like 8-9s where you've got UConn, oklahoma, gonzaga, georgia, like that does feel much more 8-9 than than Louisville being that, but at the same time Creighton could probably argue that they shouldn't be a nine. I mean they've had a really good year. But I'll also say this Clemson and McNeese State that one could happen too. So I think if Clemson's not used to being in the tournament, they don't usually make it.
Speaker 2:The biggest one I see is if North Carolina plays like they did and they come out and beat Iowa State.
Speaker 1:I think it is no, they play Ole Miss.
Speaker 2:Or Ole Miss. Sorry, Ole Miss.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:If they come out and beat Ole Miss, that could be a good one, the other one but here's the thing right now.
Speaker 1:Carolina's the 11th seed. They're a one and a half point favorite.
Speaker 2:Are they.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the only one right now that I believe is a lower seed is the favorite.
Speaker 2:The other one that stuck out to me, and every time I've looked at the bracket I thought the same thing. I could see John Calipari, Arkansas, beating Kansas. I really could, because I don't think Kansas is that great.
Speaker 1:We talked about this like two days ago. Kansas was like number one. I don't know what happened to them.
Speaker 2:Do you think they fell off, or was they never as good as we thought?
Speaker 1:I didn't see them as number one worthy early on, but at one point they were also playing that I was like I don't know that anybody can beat them, and then they just completely fell off. I mean teams that they lost to this year.
Speaker 2:You're like I don't think Kansas ever lost to them when I see that I have to think it's a team chemistry thing or something Like over the year. They're just not.
Speaker 1:Well, there's one in particular. You know that I don't like.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't like him either.
Speaker 1:Hunter Dickinson I've never been a fan of. I think he's got a great skill set. I don't know that he really fits a Kansas style offense, because they usually have some smaller bigs that they kind of play a little more stretch with and he's a much more back to basket feed them down low. He's just that kind of guy which doesn't translate to the NBA anymore. So I don't know. You're right, I do think Arkansas could upset Kansas but at the same time, if we see Kansas from the first three games of the season, they could win it. They could. You don't know what you're going to get. So that, to me, is where I think we could definitely see more upsets because, again, the talent pool, because of NIL, is so much more stretched.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like the teams aren't as deep as they used to be. They still have some depth, but you don't have another three and four star sitting in the wings. You've got, you know, just good ballplayers.
Speaker 2:I know you say eight, nine is not one, but another one who I think is a better team probably than the ranked.
Speaker 1:I think Georgia could knock off Gonzaga.
Speaker 2:How many times has Georgia been in the tournament in the last like five years? Oh no, I agree, but they're one of those. They're going to play very physical and it's probably gonna depend on what the officials allow, because so.
Speaker 1:I do. I do agree. I think Georgia is a very physical team. But the problem for Georgia is you don't have a coach's plate. That's coached much in the tournament. Mark Few's been there a lot.
Speaker 2:He's been there a lot there a lot, a lot. But I don't think Gonzaga is quite as good as years past, but I still think they're probably better than A-seed they were another top five team and then they became unranked for a good portion of the later half of the season.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I don't think this is the Gonzaga that was in the national championship a few years ago or that we are seeing. Historically Well, gonzaga's going to be number one to number four pretty much all season, because typically they're a number one through three seed.
Speaker 2:This is a low seed for them.
Speaker 1:To get an eight's. A little bit different Georgia may, but it's a physical team that I don't see scoring a ton of points.
Speaker 2:No, they're not. They're going to try to keep it low scoring game.
Speaker 1:It's really going to depend. Gonzaga comes out, hits some shots, Georgia gets behind. Feel like they've got to come back. I think it's going to become a running gun.
Speaker 2:I think like a lot of games and I can tell you I feel like this in a minute. But it's going to be what the officials allow. If they allow a physical game, georgia's going to be able to be in it. If they don't, they're going to get ran out of the gym. And I will tell you and this ain't just my team I've watched so many games this year and have the same thought. I do not like college officials in college basketball. They're so inconsistent. They're all over the place. They're making guest calls. Half the time they're wrong. I feel like you can look at replays and stuff and tell they're not fouls. It's gotten to where ESPN announcers are calling them out nonstop in games saying, well, that wasn't a foul or this was, or what are they doing? It's getting annoying.
Speaker 1:I almost don't feel that. That's college basketball officials. I think it's all. I think fans are just kind of getting tired of officials in literally every sport. We are Because we said the same thing when we were talking about the playoffs and college football. It's like the referees are just so inconsistent or you don't know what is the like, what is pass interference at that point, what is targeting, what is? And the same thing with basketball is you know, one second, guys drive down, he gets tackled and they're you know they're waving him up and the next time you touch his shorts and it's a foul.
Speaker 2:Or the ones that get me is it looks like he hit his arm or something and so they call it. But you go look at the replay and he never even got close to touching him, and it's just one of those. Well, they kind of think he did, so let's call the foul.
Speaker 1:And unfortunately that's in every level of basketball, because we've seen it a bunch, especially in the NBA, more so for stars than anybody. But to me that's just more bad positioning and that's something you could fix.
Speaker 2:That's a fixable thing Is the speed and talent of the game growing faster than the officials can keep up.
Speaker 1:Are they?
Speaker 2:not keeping up with the game.
Speaker 1:No, because you look at especially college officials, they've gotten way younger. College officials across the board are a much younger age than they used to be. A lot of those older guys.
Speaker 1:I think it's just more of an inexperience They've got to do something, I think also it's just some of, like I said, I think it's some inexperience, but I also think it's just some of bad positioning. Like if you, if you were at the bad or wrong position, a guy looks like he got hit on the elbow on a jump shot. But if you are in your quadrants, the way you're supposed to be, and really watching the position that you were supposed to be watching, because you know there's only three on the court but everything gets cut into into sections. They're supposed to be in certain spots for a certain reason and too many times.
Speaker 2:Again, I'm not saying I'd be a good official, I know I'd be bad because I want to get, I want to watch the game oh, I did too many times, I feel like official gets kind of stuck watching a game and then you almost have to make a call because you feel like something happened, but you really weren't there, you weren't really present on what should have been looked at, I heard a comment, if I remember this correctly I don't remember who it was, it might have been Jay Billis or Jimmy Dykes or somebody on one of the games, and I think the way he worded it was officials watch the defender, I think, if I remember correctly, and they go from there and that's why you see a lot more calls on defenders than offensive fouls and stuff like that, which I guess I get a little bit. But I'm to the point. If we need to add a fourth, if we need to add a fifth, I don't care, let's do something to make it better.
Speaker 1:I'm not against, necessarily, if they feel you have to add, but at the same time I also don't want it to slow the game down so much that everything then becomes a foul To me. I'm more on the side of I like the more physical play than I do the ticky-tack fouls.
Speaker 2:I don't care which way they go, I just want them to all do the same, and in both halves. That's what I want and that's the problem they have. So that's where, I wonder, is it training? I?
Speaker 1:don't know that it's going to all be the same, because across the board, things are viewed differently. Things are, across the board, things are viewed differently, things are, you know, whatever. But the thing that stuck with me is what you just said both halves Be consistent, the whole game, even if it's different than what we saw the last game a few minutes in, you figured it out and you know what to do the whole game.
Speaker 2:But if they all go through the same training and the training is good, it should be similar.
Speaker 1:It's not cookie cutter because the thing is just like for a person you may be better at something than something else. Some guys just see certain things better than they see other parts. So, regardless, I mean until you are gonna say, hey, we're gonna clone one official and it's gonna be the same guy across the whole league.
Speaker 1:You're always gonna have some of that different. Some guys are better at seeing hand checks than others. Some guys are better seeing foot positioning on charges. Some guys are better at seeing hand checks than others. Some guys are better seeing foot positioning on charges.
Speaker 2:Some guys are better, it's just kind of naturally they have a different skill set. Don't get me started on charges. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. It's a guess. They guess at that thing every time.
Speaker 1:I don't think every time, because there's some that are blatant as blatant gets. But I also don't think most casual fans really understand a charge because everybody's like, well, you can't be moving, well, that's, that's wrong, you can't be moving. It's depending on where you get hit, how you get hit, the angles that you get hit like there's so much more into it than just the you know, because as kids you can't be moving, like that's what they teach. You can't be moving, yeah.
Speaker 1:So then everybody grows up thinking, well, you can't be moving, like that's what they teach you can't be moving. So then everybody grows up thinking, well, you can't be moving.
Speaker 1:It's like well no, that's not right. I mean, if a guy lowers his shoulder and you're moving, it doesn't matter. It's a foul on the offense. It can't lower the shoulder. It's about where the contact's initiated. Especially, you get into college NBA with the circle. It depends on where you're at there. So it's just, it's really tough to. Some of these guys are really good, some of them are not. I think we've got to figure it out to an extent and consistency is my biggest issue.
Speaker 2:I realize it's easy for me to sit here and criticize them when I don't have to do it.
Speaker 1:And so I realize I appreciate what they do and everybody's human. I feel that way. In every sport You're going to hear the comment. If you don't like it, you should go do it. I would suck at it, I would.
Speaker 2:That would be a horrible official. They're not paying me to do it. That's why they're not. If they was paying me to do it, I'd be trying to get better and hopefully these guys are. Yeah, we're watching this Xavier Texas game here I a few minutes ago and I thought they were going to get back to it.
Speaker 1:It was like Xavier's a fantastic shooting team. If they start hitting some shots, they'll come back, because Texas isn't a great shooting team. They get to the rim. They're just not a great shooting team.
Speaker 2:We said we're going to do a special episode sometime where we just do commentary for a game, but it's going to be a lot of silence. We're just going to be sitting here.
Speaker 1:The same way I'd be doing it as an official. I'm watching something happen. It would be very hard Now. I take things very serious, so if I got into it, yeah, I'm going to be all in, but I enjoy the sport, or I know you've made this comment before. It's hard to stay impartial. At some point you're like I kind of have this. I want somebody to win and as an official you can't do that.
Speaker 2:You can't do that. You can't growing up playing football and I loved it and I got hurt and I get to keep playing and then I coached some youth and some different. You know I thought about coaching more with a family. It's hard to get into high school coaching. There's just so much requirements there till they get a little older yeah yeah, but there was a part of me at one time I was like, hey, I could go, you know, do some refereeing football games. I'd be still.
Speaker 2:No, I couldn't you're like I'm still involved in football, but it's like no I want the competition, I wanted one team to win, I want to be on one side, you know, and so I can't do that right? Um, but I forgot to tell you. Yeah, my agent called and espn's looking at us about doing some commentary stuff. So we gotta practice.
Speaker 1:So one who the heck is your agent, unless it's brian?
Speaker 2:oh, I don't know. I got things you don't know about.
Speaker 1:An agent.
Speaker 2:That's an awfully big thing. That's a random thing to not know.
Speaker 1:And two, if you got money for an agent where have you been holding out?
Speaker 2:I'm just here, so I don't get fined.
Speaker 1:Is that what your agent told you to say? Yeah, or your lawyer? I'm not sure which one at this point, yeah.
Speaker 2:I got all kinds of people I really hope.
Speaker 1:Everybody knows where that comes from.
Speaker 2:You know, some might not, we might have to explain that A younger age might not.
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously, how long ago was that Last time the Seahawks were good? Oh Lord, it's been a few years. I have to start counting my fingers here. Yeah, I mean Marshawn Lynch Seahawks. You're talking.
Speaker 2:So you're going to refresh my memory.
Speaker 1:So Kansas, so Kansas City. Almost three-peat it would have been. Brady was still on the Patriots, so it's been a while.
Speaker 2:So for those that don't know, marshall Lynch showed up to a press conference and everything the he didn't answer anything. He just said I'm just here so I don't get fined. And clearly if he didn't show up to the press conference he would have been fined.
Speaker 1:Well, the NFL had already fined him for not showing up to a smaller one. And these are press days at the Super Bowl that you were required to go to.
Speaker 2:Okay, I can remember if he was upset about something or he didn't want to be there.
Speaker 1:It's Marshawn Lynch, if you know anything about him. Like he's not the, sit there and answer question type.
Speaker 2:Like that's not him, seen it.
Speaker 1:go look it up, because oh it's, it's one of the better, it's so to me it's on that same level of interview as alan iverson talking about practice yes, like, and that's, that's been a long time ago, that's super long ago. I mean alan iverson had been relevant many, many years, that's true. But you go back and you know the whole. You know we talk about practice, like that whole interview. That to me is kind of on that same level of just interesting.
Speaker 2:I want to go back and watch that one too, because that one's been a lot longer, because you don't get a ton of really good moments from interviews.
Speaker 1:Like you may have like a couple of seconds, but these are like 10 minute long of just really good, just funny.
Speaker 2:I can think of one interview that's probably sticks in my mind. Probably sticks in my mind, and it wasn't too long ago. Do you have anything that like comes to your mind?
Speaker 1:like it was funny, you just enjoyed the interview, or? Um. So, steph, when his daughter was younger, those were fun and he cut she'd come out with him and she was just I need some attention, but I'm not gonna say I want attention. So she just do little things and it would obviously nobody's listening to him at that point yeah, they're always watching his daughter, be it's just watching his daughter be an absolute goofball.
Speaker 2:It's funny because he was hilarious. I mean he still is, but he was a big star then for sure. Like he was going around and singing, yeah, I mean this is when the Warriors were winning championships.
Speaker 1:And she's very, very young and you know she's tapping on the mic and she's tapping on him and she'll say stuff. You know, just little silly things Like those were hilarious. I watched a clip of those the other day.
Speaker 2:My mind goes to the kid at one of the colleges and they asked he was a senior, what he's going to miss most about college? And he puts his head down and he's got tears in his eyes and he says something like going out to eat. Oh gosh.
Speaker 1:I do remember that. I think probably the other good one, if you remember LSU baseball. I think probably the other good one, if you remember LSU baseball. They let a pitcher pinch hit and he's like the coach is like hey, have you ever hit before? Because they basically had no more subs and the coach needed a hitter. He's like have you ever hit before? And in the dugout he tells the coach. He's like oh yeah, I used to hit dingers.
Speaker 1:I do remember this when I was in high school, I was hitting bombs. He's like all right, I need a batter, go up there. And in the interview afterwards he's like coach, I got to tell you something and the coach is always like all right, and he's like they never let me hit.
Speaker 2:He's like I've never hit before. I've never hit before.
Speaker 1:I hit in BP a couple times. They never let me hit in the game. But he hits a walk you did what you were supposed to do. You won the game.
Speaker 2:Man that takes guts to go out in a game like that, when the coach needs somebody.
Speaker 1:It's a kid, he has confidence. He's like, let me do it, I can do it.
Speaker 2:He's like no, I don't normally do it, but put me in, I'll do it. And he did.
Speaker 1:Like he said. He's like I've never bat in game. I've done batting, so he wasn't.
Speaker 2:Speaking of LSU baseball, what about Paul Skeens? Have you been seeing him? What do you mean? The man can pitch.
Speaker 1:Are you just now figuring this out?
Speaker 2:No, but like some of the clips you're seeing this year, Listen this is Goodness gracious.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing he got brought up right before midseason last year and the man made the all-star team. I know, but it feels like he's getting better and he was already great. So here's the thing Paul Skeens, with the power that he has, pitching, with the absolute filth that he can throw.
Speaker 2:That's what the movement that he's getting.
Speaker 1:Which it's very different. Me and Brad had these discussions. None of the so-called greatest baseball players of all time could hit above 200 against these guys, yeah, that's how? You're probably right. None of them, babe, ruth, would not do anything. The amount of movement that you were seeing on 95, like they were seeing 80 with next to no movement, partially because the type ball they use, partially because they, the guys, weren't all about spin rate.
Speaker 2:Everything now is about how much spin can I generate for movement so I think about change-ups, like their change-ups are still so fast because their fast balls are so fast.
Speaker 1:Well, but when you're unreal, when you're throwing 102 and your change-up is 90? Yeah, like used to be.
Speaker 2:We'd see a change up 83 to 85 so I remember change ups like 76 and stuff, even some of those there for a long time.
Speaker 1:I mean, you go back to the days of, you know, where we remember as braves fans glavin smoltz, maddox smoltz through hard, glavin through 90 yeah maddox through 85.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like he he was a. He's gonna pinpoint it, which is fine, but it used to be when you would measure those metrics of a player if you're throwing 92, you're big league level. If you're throwing 92 now, you may not be d1, like it's. It's changed so much like it's. Like me and Will sat here two nights ago discussing about baseball recruiting, because he used to recruit for a small college and he's like if you don't have 96 to 98 in the bag as a righty, you'll never make it.
Speaker 1:Like you have no shot Because the guys the Maddox type guy doesn't matter anymore, the hitters are too good.
Speaker 2:It reminds me of even basketball how you know the big guys are starting to shoot threes. Now you're getting these you know used to the guys that threw hard like that was their pitch, but now you're getting these guys who throw that hard and can still have movement and off pitches and all this stuff, but a lot of those guys too have gone away from the old your base pitch, yet still fastball, but it's not a forcing anymore, they're throwing.
Speaker 1:You know, half the time these guys are leading bats with cutters or they're two-seams, just because of the angle that it's getting. And when you're seeing movement on 99, how are you supposed to hit that? Now these guys are still. I mean, it's the best hitters we've ever seen.
Speaker 2:It's hard to hit 99 if it comes down the middle.
Speaker 1:Oh, I have no shot.
Speaker 2:I don't either.
Speaker 1:That's one thing I've said before. To me. Hitting a baseball, there is nothing harder in sports.
Speaker 2:You might as well close your eyes and just swing and hope you time it up.
Speaker 1:I probably would I feel like I'd have a better chance.
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously I could swing a bat, but just because you are confident or think you can swing about well, doesn't mean you can hit it with it moving or going that fast. I mean you've got to think these guys back early 2000s were having eye surgery, not because they were, you know, they had 20-20 vision, but they're trying to get anything better to be able to see it out of the hand better. And some of these pitchers there I mean they're in the early, well late, 2010s, I guess there was no such thing as a banned substance. So spider tack if you've never heard of or any type of sticky substance, that was allowed to an extent. So then the spin was almost double or you were seeing, you know, 40% more spin on pitches. That's when we saw a huge, huge rise in pitchers and a dip in batters. And then 2021, they made that stuff illegal and all of a sudden we're seeing batting go through the roof again.
Speaker 2:You know, that's what I love too about softball pitching. I love the movement softball pitchers do these drop balls, rise balls, curve balls, these peels I mean it is crazy what they can do, which to me softball pitching is so weird anyways, like it is not, so they actually say it's a more natural movement than a baseball pitching. That's why there's no pitch limit on it without a doubt but it ain't nothing natural about it with this big windmill, and no, no but.
Speaker 1:But you gotta think though all of those motions your body can make it's all internal rotation, you can circle the whole thing on baseball. Why we're seeing tommy john become common in high school now is because it's all about torque on the elbow, because it's like the deeper you can get it in that socket, which it shouldn't do, it's not supposed to do so. Then you're ripping ligaments in and then again, like we talked about these kids are playing so much earlier you're pitching these, you you know 10, 11, 12-year-old kids 100 innings it's nuts.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like throughout a summer, like their arms aren't made for that. Like the guys in the big leagues are not doing that in a short of a span. That these guys are doing Like they have a five-man rotation for a reason. I agree, you pitch once every five days. You're not getting. You know well, you pitched today. You can't pitch our late game today, but you can pitch tomorrow. Like that makes no sense to me. They're still not getting rest.
Speaker 2:You're destroying, destroying people's elbows and arms. I agree with you.
Speaker 1:That's the scary part about baseball to me playing as much as they do, Because here's the thing like football there's kids playing a lot of football, but if you've seen the switch, they're playing flag. Now, Outside of the school season or the club season, whatever it may be, it's gone to flag.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you I'm fixing to blow away right here.
Speaker 1:You ain't going nowhere, you're fine.
Speaker 2:If I had hair, it would be blowing in the wind right now.
Speaker 1:You haven't had to worry about that for a while either, though that's one of those things I, so I do get at you a question because I forgot about this.
Speaker 2:I was watching the conference tournaments, okay, yeah one in particular well, for some reason maybe it was the only one on at the time, it was halftime, whatever, I don't know I turned on the big 12, I think it was okay they were playing in kansas city. I believe, yep. Did you see the floor? They were playing in Kansas City. I believe, yep. Did you see the floor? They were playing on.
Speaker 1:I didn't. I can't say that I watched any Big 12 conference tournament Go look up the floor from the Big 12.
Speaker 2:It has, like the whole floor is covered in what I think is 12 in Roman numerals All over the floor, and I had to turn it. It was going to make me nauseous watching them run up down this floor, the camera moving back and forth, so as listeners, if you haven't seen it, go look it up you get sick at some weird things.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see it, that's actually not that bad, that is horrible it's good it's gray. No no, I'm not saying I like it, but as far as visually it's not horrible. So do you remember Oregon, oregon's basketball? Oh yes, it's covered in trees.
Speaker 2:I hated that too. That, to me, was too much. Reminds me of the blue field at Boise State right.
Speaker 1:I love the blue field. Though I think the blue field's awesome, I hate it. What about the gray field at Eastern Michigan? Nope, don't like it. Is it green or nothing?
Speaker 2:Green or nothing.
Speaker 1:I like that.
Speaker 2:it's different, that's the way I play golf, too Green or nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, green in the rough, green in the trees.
Speaker 2:I didn't say nothing wasn't an option. Green algae in the water.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:No, it's a green or nothing. I get a lot of nothing.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing I'm there green every shot. I mean we're all in the same spot.
Speaker 2:But Listen, every shot's aimed at the green. You just don't get there very often.
Speaker 1:I mean most of the time it lands on the color green.
Speaker 2:Maybe I don't know. I've been in some weird spots.
Speaker 1:No, no, but I would say most of it's in some type of grass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, give or take. I mean, yes, there there's still a lot of water balls.
Speaker 1:There's still some mulch. Some dirt Some pine straw. Some sand, but I feel like the vast majority of it is, at least on the color green it is, or a shade of it at least.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, usually it's on some kind of green.
Speaker 1:If I can find it. Speaking of golf, did you watch any of the players championship this week?
Speaker 2:Not really.
Speaker 1:I've been a busy man Listen, softball's taking over my life right now. I watched I didn't get to watch all of the final day, but I know the final I mean obviously final day of the tournament's what most people care about.
Speaker 2:That's what I finally had some time to watch it and I turned it on to watch it and they had a weather delay.
Speaker 1:They did have a big weather delay and I was like well crap, Rory McIlroy, had it won, gave it up in the final five holes, lips in on 18. Jj Spahn, who had been leading a bunch of it, ends up leaving his putt to win it two inches short. Oh, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1:I saw they had a playoff. Because of the weather delay, they didn't have the playoff on Sunday. I saw that they had to come back monday morning at 9 am and the way the players does it is a little bit different. Most tournaments are sudden death, like you were going to play like 18 to start. Somebody makes a birdie, somebody makes it's over.
Speaker 1:I saw the ad like for monday it's aggregate, so they play 16, 17, 18 I said three holes and I was like that's, they automatically play three holes and there's a few terms to do it, but it's not as common. I actually kind of like it. It's kind of like the rest of golf. It's a little bit more of a grind. It's not like a just I've got to play one hole. I thought that before because if a hole suits somebody, you've got the advantage already. Well, you look at a guy like Rory. Now it didn't really suit anybody that day because the wind was worse Monday morning than it was the whole week. What was it? Saturday was horrible, but it was worse Monday.
Speaker 2:But they start on 16. Xavier just took the lead.
Speaker 1:I know They've been hitting all kinds of shots.
Speaker 2:He just hit a three to take the lead. I sorry, no, you're good, it's turned into a great game.
Speaker 1:When Xavier in the first half, I said looks like they're going to be out of it immediately.
Speaker 2:Is this a upset alert? I don't know if it's upset.
Speaker 1:It's two 11s. Why are they playing either way? You?
Speaker 2:can't have two 11s in this game. They can say what they want. We have four 11s in a play-in.
Speaker 1:Neither one of them is an 11 yet.
Speaker 2:You've got to win this to be an 11.
Speaker 1:I think it's an and one. Listen, xavier, fighting back the way they did is probably going to win this.
Speaker 2:Anyways, okay, go back to the players. Sorry.
Speaker 1:Well, I was going back to hole 16 at the players par 5. Rory's one of the longest hitters on tour, so of course it's like well, that suits him.
Speaker 2:Immediately had an advantage.
Speaker 1:So he goes, birdie par. Jj hit one into the sand. Didn't hit a great shot, ends up par. It's like, all right, you're just down one.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Going to 17, which TPC Sawgrass 17 is one of the most famous holes in golf, the Island Green. Monday it was 131-yard shot playing 162. Oh my gosh Because of wind.
Speaker 2:So in their face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, rory hits. I think they said like a nine iron Hits it pretty low, tried to keep it under the wind. Great shot, just kind of on the fringe hit and kind of rolled, jj flies the green and it's like it's over.
Speaker 2:How do you fly the green with the wind in your face like that? I guess he just clubbed up to make sure.
Speaker 1:Honestly, he hit a shot and it looked like it didn't do what it's supposed to like. I was watching that morning. He hit it in there before it got high, almost just looked like the spin disappeared and it just landed past and he was amazed because he's like there's no way that should have happened. Yeah, like, looking back, he's like I don't know how that ball does that, but he ends up making triple, rory bogeys it and rory's got a three-stroke lead going to 18 yeah, so it's like this is a formality at this point, like let's just get it over with.
Speaker 1:I think rory pars, 18, wins the player for the second time his career, which you know. That's what a lot of people consider, the unofficial fifth major being the players championships, the only big tournament, the biggest tournament outside of?
Speaker 2:why don't they make it a major?
Speaker 1:I don't know if they just have this thing of wanting to be four or what, I'm not really sure. Like the players has its name, it's its own thing. But there's notoriety for winning a players but you can't call it a major.
Speaker 2:It's kind of always weird to me, it is weird I'm not sure what the reasoning for that is if they ever made it a major, would you then go back and everybody that won it years past called a major? Would it start when they did it?
Speaker 1:I feel like it'd have to start when it, when it switches. But I'll say, though they put that on your resume like it's different than a regular tournament.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's like you won the players a big it's just another one of those things with golf that I can't keep up with. I don't understand. It's tough again.
Speaker 1:There's several podcasts I've listened to that are literally golf podcasts and podcasts and they are saying golf is bad for fans right now.
Speaker 2:It is Especially new fans.
Speaker 1:I'm not sitting here saying, oh, golf's great, like I love the sport. But even as a big-time fan it can be very hard to follow.
Speaker 2:I would watch it a whole lot more if I could understand some of the scoring and stuff more and if they made it a little easier to watch. That would help.
Speaker 1:Like the scoring and stuff more, and if they made it a little easier to watch, that would help. Like the scoring in golf as far as like whole scoring, oh, that's easy, that's easy, yes, but then when they're saying I mean point system, I guess. Well, he finished third, so he got 112 points compared and I'm like wait, why is this tournament worth this compared to this?
Speaker 2:But why was it 120? Like it, none of it. No, that part makes sense the way the fedex stuff does not make. Let's lower the points to where it makes more sense. Instead of having like 500 for the win, let's do 50. You know something to and you can still disperse it.
Speaker 1:The same percentage it's like all right, the guy won, even if you're gonna say it's 100, he got 100, guy two got 99, guy three, and it's like or's like. Or if you wanted a two split, like, hey, you earned a spot, so maybe you get a smaller jump, I could get that. But when every tournament you can get hundreds of points, the gaps don't really feel like they're really much of anything.
Speaker 2:That is one thing I will commend NASCAR for doing several years ago.
Speaker 1:The point system is so much easier to keep up with fans. They changed the point system, right? Yes, because it used to be similar. It's kind of like what you just said.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you get a little bonus points for winning and different things like that, but it's basically yeah, but I don't have an issue of like throw a guy an extra 10 or an extra 20 for a win, okay. Fair.
Speaker 1:Well, I I don't think it is but even then, if that's what they do, it's like okay, that makes sense, I get. Winning is big, you win, okay, you deserve something else, yeah, but yes, again, the playoff in golf and the point system in golf zero cents Zero cents.
Speaker 2:It makes it harder for me to follow that and I've told you like the four days, but I again, time to watch has been different, but I have enjoyed TGL and the way they've done it.
Speaker 1:TGL's in the playoffs right now.
Speaker 2:I know they just had their Monday, tuesday Finals. I guess we had a big upset.
Speaker 1:Yes, la Golf is the biggest team this year. They've been kind of just beating everybody and a team in New York that we're kind of like.
Speaker 2:New York wasn't good.
Speaker 1:They're barely scraping in. I mean New York's, one of the teams we saw first week that I watched. I'm like they are boring, like it was guys that just they were not interesting to watch and yet now they're in the finals.
Speaker 2:Listen, my team's going to win it. I picked a good team, and here's what I'm saying. I picked them at the beginning of the season. I didn't like wait until I 100% agree.
Speaker 1:I'm not questioning that you picked them early. But when you picked them and I was like hang on, who is that? And I went and saw the roster and I'm like that's going to be a tough team to beat.
Speaker 2:They're good they're going to be tough.
Speaker 1:I think they've lost one match all year and they ran through the Bay in that.
Speaker 2:I was a little worried because the Bay had been playing pretty good so I didn't know it was going to be. But they beat them like 9-3 or something.
Speaker 1:You give Justin Thomas a controlled environment where he can run his mouth and he can just get in your head.
Speaker 2:It's going to be hard to beat. He is so fun to listen to, which I love JT.
Speaker 1:He's one of my favorite golfers. For Paul, that is his guy.
Speaker 2:It's a Bama guy. He's an Alabama guy.
Speaker 1:So of course, that's for sure, paul, being from the area, that he's a huge band of football fan. They have a basketball fan like that's. That's all it's about, so he's a jt 100 I've got to like him more.
Speaker 2:I mean, I kind of liked him before that, but I think a lot of people jumped on kind of more of his bandwagon because of full swing also.
Speaker 1:Okay, everybody keeps talking about it.
Speaker 2:But what are you doing with your life? I've told you I'm playing softball. They're not playing coaching softball non-stop, that's all I?
Speaker 1:Everybody keeps talking about it. What are you doing with your life? Watch Full Swing.
Speaker 2:I'm playing softball. I'm not playing coaching softball nonstop. That's all I do anymore.
Speaker 1:For the past three years.
Speaker 2:Pretty much yeah.
Speaker 1:Like you're on season three man.
Speaker 2:No, I don't watch a lot of TV. I mean, I watch some sports, Just.
Speaker 1:Netflix Sitcom here and there. Watch on Netflix here and there. You, you got my login. Sorry, netflix, I was joking. You just got shut off. Gosh, they just shut mine off.
Speaker 2:I'm going to get a text from my wife.
Speaker 1:Hey, what happened to?
Speaker 2:Netflix? I don't know, no, honestly, if Netflix is still listening. I haven't turned on Netflix in a long time.
Speaker 1:We finished season three within a week of it coming out.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to think what if I watch it?
Speaker 1:Which, honestly, amanda really likes that documentary series too she was really into it. So the first season I watched before she knew it was a thing, and then, when she realized it was a thing, she got mad at me for watching because she's like this is really good, we should have watched this together. So we've watched two and three together and that's been fun because obviously, as much as I love golf, her watching something golf related is like hey.
Speaker 1:I can maybe watch more tournaments now, but that's something good they're doing, though she's gotten interested because she's like ooh, I recognize that name now, like I see those guys. The same thing you said about what's his name TGO Glover, lucas Glover yeah, nobody really knew who he was. No, the diehard golf guys did, but a guy like you who just kind of casually watches the game.
Speaker 2:I saw he was leading the players the other day and I was like, oh look who's here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go away, I saw him.
Speaker 2:He was more fun. He's on my team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he's on my team. Yeah, that's how I felt. All right, so here's the thing.
Speaker 2:Are you going to buy a shirt now?
Speaker 1:get somebody else to pay. It'll be a group gift.
Speaker 2:We'll have to all go in to get it as expensive, those things yeah no, I mean, I kind of want to wait and see what the second season looks like, if they're going to change it up I understand that because we did talk about that. I'm a little worried what they're going to do. Hopefully it gets better, but are they going to change up teams?
Speaker 1:are guys going to drop out and so to me, I think we'll probably see about the same on these top four teams. I don't think it changes. Maybe some of the others do, but I think we're probably gonna add teams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we see more teams, which to me is exciting I think if I you know, if I lock in for the second year with them, then I'm there, no matter who comes and goes, like you are with the sports team but the first year, once you, once you kind of pick a team, it's kind of which that.
Speaker 1:That leads me into a question, because I've thought about this before Are you for or against people that change teams, like professional sports, any sport, college, professional and I'm not talking about people that play, I'm talking about as a fan. Are you okay if you're like I'm in a new section of life?
Speaker 2:or I now live somewhere different. If there's a legit reason, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1:Obviously not a bandwagon, not just a bandwagon, because I'm never for a bandwagon, Not just a bandwagon.
Speaker 2:You know, I kind of done that. Well, I didn't change teams. So with Kentucky basketball I didn't really have a basketball team because I was young when I moved to Kentucky.
Speaker 1:I understand that.
Speaker 2:So that was a little different. Um, you know, I don't know, I could see hang on, guys.
Speaker 1:David's blowing away. I had to go get him yeah, sorry, I gotta roll back, he was gonna make the joke anyways, I figured I might as well jump on it first I um you know when I moved to north carolina.
Speaker 2:Yep, I've been here several years now yep I could never see me changing teams, even though I I moved here and there's other teams around I feel like that's a little different.
Speaker 1:College team to me does feel different. I'll say that because you can have kind of college allegiance across the country. It just feels a bit different because pro a lot of times like you get that allegiance because you're closer to a team. We're like if you like, if you move to, if you move to buffalo, you might become a bills fan because it's right there, you can go to all the games, you can do all that stuff.
Speaker 2:I think it could become your second team. But if you already have a first team Now okay. So for me, I always was a Cowboys fan growing up and I don't watch a lot of NFL. So in that instance I say you're fixing to blow away. Look at this.
Speaker 1:I'm way too fat to blow away. Come on now.
Speaker 2:Because I don't have a serious NFL team. I think it'd be okay. But if I'm a diehard whatever fan, just because I move, I can pick them up as a second team, but they can't be my main team, but a diehard I don't think a diehard is going to ever switch at anything.
Speaker 1:That's the way it should be. You could lose every single game. Think about Lions a few years ago or Browns and you're still a diehard, especially if you live in that city. You're going to always be, and maybe I'd have more of allegiance on an NFL team thinking if I grew up right next to one and you pick that up For me. I became a Cowboys fan, but my whole family was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you had a reason to.
Speaker 1:We lived in Mesquite, texas, just outside of Dallas, born at Baylor Hospital. I don't have any Baylor allegiance, like I don't care about that, but it's like well, you know, dad was a Cowboys fan, my uncles were Cowboys fans. Okay, I'm a Cowboys fan, so it just kind of happened.
Speaker 2:You became kind of an Ohio State football fan, right. You're the same kind of Ohio State football fan, right. But before that I don't think you was like die hard, I didn't have anybody, somebody.
Speaker 1:I like college football, I liked watching good games, but I didn't have the state.
Speaker 2:Well, you was a North Carolina fan and there was never that good, so I'm sure you liked them.
Speaker 1:I still want North Carolina football to do well. I'm very pro Belichick at this point. Make the program great, I'm all for it. But I think at this point I'm way too invested in Ohio State football to change like a number one.
Speaker 2:What if North Carolina football just becomes like top-ranked big?
Speaker 1:time. I'm not a bandwagon. I'm not going to switch from that.
Speaker 2:But you was a North Carolina fan beforehand, Like you've always been a North Carolina fan.
Speaker 1:I was not a to me college football before was. It's fun to watch, but I'm ready for basketball season. Like basketball is my thing, I will never not be a Carolina basketball fan period.
Speaker 2:So I was an Ohio State football fan first and then I moved to Kentucky, got into college basketball as a kid and all that, and became a Kentucky fan. So I feel that same way with Kentucky football. I don't care how good they get, I hope Kentucky football wins every game, unless they're playing Ohio State.
Speaker 1:I gotcha which. We've had that discussion too. Hey, ohio State, kentucky, who you cheering for? It's always a pretty quick Ohio State, but that was my first love?
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, I don't know. Do you see an instance where it's okay to switch teams? Because I'm not. If you picked up another team from somewhere else, you didn't have one already, and we've kind of talked about that. If you're a fan of them already, you've got to stay with it.
Speaker 1:I think that's where it's kind of okay, because I mean I can remember at one point like I liked Texas football because I was kind of from there but I wasn't, I'm not invested Like this is my team. I can remember like in Florida because, like Tebow, like a team that just kind of drew me as a person or something but again.
Speaker 1:I wasn't like this is my team because they won a championship. It's cool they won a championship. I kind of like them, but they're not like. Here's who I'm going to cheer for. I didn't have that feeling about anybody. Carolina football was always one of those. They haven't been good since what? The 80s?
Speaker 2:My over on SEC schools just got a little harder, but I did not think Texas was that good Now I thought they should have been in.
Speaker 1:I don't even know. See, that's one of those that you could have left out. Maybe a West Virginia would be in and it's kind of like, okay, I don't really question. But again, I said it about Carolina, carolina could have been left out and I wouldn't really question it. They weren't one that was like, oh, they should be in.
Speaker 2:We've talked about this and and I know the playing game is silly for 11 seats, yes, but if carolina, texas, xavier, all these schools that are barely on the bubble, yeah, when they win, they should be a 16 seat, like carolina should be a 16 seat right now but they reserve basically 12 through 16.
Speaker 1:It's almost like this is reserved for the small schools it doesn't make sense like if you're barely in, if you had to play to get in, if you are the last four in, that to me means you are the last four, which is 16. Yep, it shouldn't be, but again, you don't want to play Xavier as number one. That's not the first game you won.
Speaker 2:Because they're not the last four in. I agree, that's what I'm saying, that's my issue with this whole.
Speaker 1:Let's have 11s, have basically a play in. Okay, if they were good enough to get here, why not just leave a couple of teams off the very bottom?
Speaker 2:So it's the schools that win their conferences right. Those smaller schools that win their conferences that get that 12 through 16 a lot of times sometimes they get a. You know, yes, typically they're not going to get higher than a 12, really, unless they're just like undefeated so I guess it's like you know north carolina may be one of the last four in, but they're still better than half these teams. That won their conference is what they're trying to say, and I get that argument. But the play-in game is the problem.
Speaker 1:I don't know how many of the 12 through 16 are not automatic qualifiers. Yeah, I'd be curious I'd have to go research that, because I don't know. Looking at them it's hard to tell.
Speaker 2:I would think most. I would think most. I could understand that argument a little bit. They're qualified, they're automatically in, so at that point they're not picking. Well, we said there's 32 conferences, so they're only picking 36.
Speaker 1:But to me this is a way to not make a tough decision Like 11s, pick who's the better. 11. Don't have a game for it. Like've seen 30 something games this year. You can decide who you think is better hey, let's do like football all automatic qualifiers.
Speaker 2:You're the top 32 seeds, let's just go with it. I can see the look on your face.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to think how that would even, isn't that?
Speaker 2:what we did in football.
Speaker 1:So would you just say rank them 1 through 64 and not go like 4-1s, 4-2s, 4-3s?
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's rank all the teams 1 through 68. No.
Speaker 1:I'd say 64.
Speaker 2:I'll get rid of the 4?.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we wouldn't need it if you did that way.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm okay if you want to do 1 through 68 and then Still those last four or eight teams, or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Maybe your last four. You have two playing games.
Speaker 2:Well, they have four playing games now, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you've got two 11s and two 16s. I know it's a little different. Like I'm okay, that's how they get their 68.
Speaker 2:I'm okay, let's pick. You know what? 60 teams and the other eight playing games are the last four spots.
Speaker 1:So you'd be negating conference championships? No, I, or are you saying if you're a conference championship?
Speaker 2:conference champion, you're automatically top 32.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you do know, there's a sub 500 team in right?
Speaker 2:no, I know they want a conference championship. Just got hot so it would not. I don't know you'd probably get to the same place because the way the bracket is built like they're going to go down quickly. I don't know if you'd probably get to the same place because the way the bracket is built like they're going to go down quickly.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you'd actually get to the exact same place, just because the matchups would drastically change if you did it that way.
Speaker 2:Like if those guys got jumped up, but the first round most of those are out, and so you end up in the same place later.
Speaker 1:Maybe, but like, if you're a 32 playing a 33, that 33 probably better. They just didn't win the championship. You say in like a 10 versus whatever. That would equal out to 60 or 50-something.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You never know.
Speaker 2:I say that jokingly, because I hated when college football did it. Oh no, I understand, but I also hate that they feel like they have to put these teams in because they want it and they're going to put them at the end of the line, and then teams like Carolina, Xavier, Texas, all these teams have to play play-ins for 11 seeds. They've got to do something there.
Speaker 1:So obviously we've never seen an 11 seed win it. We've never seen a team like that go unbelievably far. But then you turn around and look well, 11 plays a 6. That's not a crazy difference. So if the 11 beats the 6.
Speaker 2:It should be. When you start looking at 4 of each, that should be pretty far apart.
Speaker 1:11 plays a 6, and then you're going to play the winner of a 14-3. So now, when we say 11 versus 3, much bigger spread, but 11 versus 6 is not a huge gap and a 14-3 is an upset spot we have seen before. It is and all of a sudden, if you get an, 11 and a 14, an 11 makes it a sweet 16, or a 14 makes it a sweet 16, which we've seen happen.
Speaker 2:Some brackets open up for teams.
Speaker 1:But the problem is, like I have for like an 11, if Carolina is truly going to make a run which I'm not saying they are, but if they were, they have a massive disadvantage because they've already had to play a game and it's not like they have a week off. Is it a disadvantage when?
Speaker 2:they played like that, maybe got some confidence.
Speaker 1:I think that does give them confidence, but it's still a disadvantage because you've got more miles on you. But it's still a disadvantage because you've got more miles on you, like you've got more time on you.
Speaker 2:Because you've got to think they turn around and play again in two days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they have an extra. They're playing a solid team.
Speaker 2:It's not like they're playing a 16. So they have to play three games in six days. Yeah, eight days, whatever it is Six days, I guess, yeah, yeah. So that's a difference.
Speaker 1:So then if they were to win the next game and then win the next one, you get kind of that week off or four days, whatever it is, but you're not giving an 11, which is not that low of a team you're not really giving them a fair shake. That's what I hate about the 11 play-in. It just does not make sense to me. I'm with you. I would rather just say Xavier and Carolina were better 11s than the other two. I'm saying that because they won, but I'm just saying, if we look at the tape throughout the whole year 30-something games okay, these are better. There's your 11. Let the 416s play in. Who cares?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I don't again. I said that kind of joke. I don't again. I said that kind of joke. I don't want to put all the conference champions in the first 30. No, I get that, but we could put them in the top 60 and leave the back eight for these teams you're talking about. We could easily do that and they could still be 16th seeds, because that's not that much to move a team up from 68th, so on to 60th.
Speaker 1:Well, but then I'll throw you another situation. Are these six teams actually better than the two teams in the SEC that didn't make it, which they were pretty bad? I mean, the two teams that missed out were not good, but so a team like SMU, who some people think should have been in, I don't believe so. I don't think they did enough either is American who lost tonight.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Are they better than SMU?
Speaker 2:No, but we said there's 32 conferences, so 32 spots are already picked automatically, whether you think they're good or not.
Speaker 1:But we don't do that in football, we don't. We talk about.
Speaker 2:They try to.
Speaker 1:In football it was about power five, now it's power four. In basketball it's like well, we did away with that term that they're like oh, we can't say that anymore Mid-major, they're a mid-major. We did away with that whole thing.
Speaker 2:I do think basketball is a little different because some of those teams can get good in basketball.
Speaker 1:Football. It's very rare that those they can but to me it's competitive work your way into the rankings, like if you work away in the rankings, it doesn't matter where you're at oh yeah, so it's kind of what's it really matter at that point?
Speaker 1:because if you're, if you're really that good, you work your way up in the rankings. You're playing good team to get yourself there. You establish yourself over you know a five-year span. You're just now a team that's in there, like we just consider you. But those teams, also the big conferences, are like hey, come join us, like they're, they're dragging those guys bring them in.
Speaker 1:So to me it's like I'm not taking away from these smaller schools and I'm not taking away from the fun that that ensues with it, because I love the tournament. I think it's a very interesting way to do it, the fact that you have, you know, a round of 64 and theoretically a 64 is playing a one, and we've now seen in two different situations, a one get beat by a 16 like that's exciting I'm gonna.
Speaker 2:I haven't looked this up, I'm gonna assume out of the 32 conferences, about half of them are probably those smaller conferences, at least half maybe more.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, maybe more. When you just look at anytime, you go to NCAA on ESPN and you start looking up scores and you go through conferences most of the conferences you've never heard of I mean, most people have not or you may have heard like well, I feel like I've heard of that one time because they talked about it in a tournament. That's the only reason you've heard of it, not because you've actually watched any of those games.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I like giving them a shot because they won their conference tournament. But again, who are they playing to win their conference tournament? So it's tough. I think, because there's so many teams in the basketball tournament, you can allow it a little better than football can. You can get away with it more than they can.
Speaker 1:I'm not for really a change in it. The only thing I don't like is the 11 play-in.
Speaker 2:That's the only thing I don't like.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I really do love the tournament because it is exactly that it is March madness. It is madness from the start. You never, really know what's going to happen. The reason ESPN every year says, hey, we're going to give away a million dollars for a bracket.
Speaker 2:Nobody comes close Because it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1:Because that's what's so interesting about it.
Speaker 2:What I could see doing a little different is have your playing games before you see them. That way, you're not saying they're 11. Just say, okay, here's the last eight we're going to play in. Or 11. Just say, okay, here's the last eight we're going to play in. Now we've got the bracket, we're going to put them together, so start everything four days earlier. Yeah, you lost.
Speaker 1:You're on the bubble, you're going to show up in wherever it is. We'll say find the middle of the two teams that are going to play for Carolina and San Diego State. Y'all are going to go play in Kansas or something.
Speaker 2:They talked about adding what? Six teams, or four teams, whatever it is. Yeah, let's have a little selection, it's a pre-tournament tournament yeah we're going to have a selection show for the first eight out, or whatever it is, and we're going to play this and then we're going to seed it right after that.
Speaker 1:Well. So here's the thing If you did before Selection Sunday, you had, which you can't do now because the tournaments lead right to it. I mean the Big 12, sec. Some of those teams are playing the day of it literally means nothing at that point.
Speaker 1:If you start it four or five days early or say that ends the week before the selection, you theoretically could do that and you basically just say look, you guys are on the bubble, we're not going to seize you, you're going to play you, you're going to play you. Winner gets the 11. Yeah, technically that's no different, but to me it makes no sense to say, hey, we, we made the tournament, we made the 11, and now we're not in.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's literally the same thing, but logically, not having a seed yet makes more sense of like I'm basically have to play my way in. That's what you're doing now, but you shouldn't both have an 11.
Speaker 2:If you're an 11, you've done enough because you can look at what happens in that game and then decide I know that should be a 12.
Speaker 1:For anybody listening. I know that sounds so stupid because you're like well, it's just semantics at that point and you're right, it is, but logically it just makes more sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah but right now you're setting them as 11. Okay, if you see North Carolina come out in your playing game and play like that, you might go. Huh, let's put them at 8.
Speaker 1:Maybe Because you haven't seen them yet. You can put them wherever you want, yeah.
Speaker 2:You could say we wasn't sure, we was on the fence about them and they just proved themselves.
Speaker 1:Well, if they go, that we thought could be in the tournament, maybe you don't go as high as an 8, but you may get a 9 or a 10. You might.
Speaker 2:I'm for it. Now here's the other solution.
Speaker 1:Or you may go win and both teams look really bad. Make them a 14. Yeah, you could, okay.
Speaker 2:Because you didn't see them yet. Now here's the other solution. This is the money-making solution right here.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, let's just add another round.
Speaker 2:Let's throw another 68 teams out there. No, let's go another round.
Speaker 1:No, we'll just put them all in the round of 128. Yeah, that would be literally a third of the country getting in. Because what did you say? It's like 350 something. Yeah, a third of it would get in. What's the point of having a season? Let's just have a tournament, a year-long tournament, like that'd be horrible. We could do a. I mean, it'd be such a mess.
Speaker 2:We take the half of the. You know, I would just say 130-something, whatever it is 140-something, I guess We'll take half of them and do play-in games to get in the tournament. There we go.
Speaker 1:It's getting complicated now, I like the 64. Like round of 64. It makes sense Like yes, you could add another 64, and you're really only adding another round.
Speaker 2:You're not really adding anything much to it. That's what I'm saying. One more game.
Speaker 1:What's the point? That's just now. We're just letting that's a participation trophy at that point.
Speaker 2:No, I think it's kind of what they did. Like you said, it's a pre-tournament before the tournament. That's what playing games are, so I'd rather just like let's keep it that way. But whatever, it is what it is and I'm still going to watch it and I'm still going to think it's good, so I can complain all I want, but as long as I keep turning it on they're going to keep doing what they.
Speaker 1:Well, I haven't thought about this until literally right now, something I complained about a lot last week oh, that's never good. College basketball crown. Yes, did you go, look it up.
Speaker 2:I've seen some more stuff Like did you see who got in? No, I did not see who got in.
Speaker 1:Because I literally just for right now.
Speaker 2:I saw the NIT was playing already I didn't pay attention to that.
Speaker 1:A bunch of no-name teams and no-name teams A couple of teams, I don't know, denied it. Who denied it?
Speaker 2:I didn't really even see. I don't remember now, was it oh, the two SEC schools, they said because of their injuries and stuff they turned it down.
Speaker 1:So, honestly, the two SEC schools. The college basketball crown has fairly big-name schools, but I can look here and see none of them were any good this year.
Speaker 2:Who's going to be the champion? Who's going to be crowned?
Speaker 1:Well, so you've got Utah versus Butler. So two big-name schools, we know who those are. Sorry that one was really small George Washington, boise State no names, nobody cares. Nebraska, arizona State. Those are two schools people know, Not known for basketball, but two schools people know. Georgetown, washington State, same way, depaul, cincinnati, oregon State, ucf, colorado Wow, villanova, the fall off is hard.
Speaker 2:Villanova's in the crown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fall off is hard, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:And then Tulane USC. What if Villanova doesn't win that? And then Tulane USC. What if Villanova doesn't win that? Ain't that just going to make them look worse?
Speaker 1:No, I mean because, like USC is in it. I'm not saying that USC is good, but I'm just saying I've not thought of it.
Speaker 2:Villanova, like you said, the fall off.
Speaker 1:They were good. They won championship a few years ago. The fact that they're in the crown. If Villanova's year, I couldn't either. They've been so irrelevant. I know I've watched the game. I remember watching it.
Speaker 2:Is that since their coach left? Was that Jay Wright?
Speaker 1:Jay Wright was their coach for many, many years. Yep.
Speaker 2:And so they just tumbled down.
Speaker 1:But that just goes to show it's really hard to be good every year. I mean it is it's really hard to be good every year, especially for a school like that, because they're not very big Villanova and other sports aren't even Division.
Speaker 2:I yeah.
Speaker 1:So they're Division I.
Speaker 2:But they're FCS. Some of the big schools we talk about, the Blue Bloods we talk about, I mean they go years where they don't make the tournament. So it happens.
Speaker 1:So Villanova was 19-14 this year. Why are they not arguing they should be in?
Speaker 2:I was going to say In my mind I'm thinking I was going to say they're close. They're right there with West Virginia and Ohio State and everybody that's mad.
Speaker 1:Two losses behind Xavier, who just won.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Again, I don't know who they lost to who they won I will say this Because of the team names that are in it. To me the crown feels bigger than the NIT. I haven't paid attention to that. I've never watched the NIT either.
Speaker 1:I don't pay attention to that. I've watched it a few years just because, again, I like basketball.
Speaker 2:So some of the nights that it's on and the tournament's not on and the tournament's not.
Speaker 1:That's usually what gets watched. Notice, if it's some random team I don't care as much. But well, but like the nit, you've got 32 teams in the night team. It's obviously a pretty big tournament. But your number ones smu, dayton, uc, irvine and san francisco how did the villanova? Those are the number ones With their record. Well, so that conference was guaranteed. I think two in. Maybe they chose that over the NIT, I don't know.
Speaker 2:You know, I would love to see if a school turned down the NIT and went to the crown.
Speaker 1:Do we know? If they did? No, I don't. I haven't followed those because, again, if you're not in the tournament, to me it's like it doesn't matter. Those are participation. Those are stupid.
Speaker 2:No, but I'd be curious if some school thought, hey, this is better than NIT, because NIT has been around forever.
Speaker 1:So I get the NIT for some of those smaller schools that had really really good years. But you know your conference only gets one the conference champion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you didn't win that? Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1:And you're like 26 win team. That's who I think it should be for. That to me is like all right, nit makes sense, that's what the nit should be for. Yep, but the crown we're putting in these big name schools.
Speaker 2:Just because they're big name, like what's the point?
Speaker 1:yeah, uh, not good enough to be in the tournament, but I'm gonna go win something. Does that really mean anything? It doesn't to me. I mean, that's me just.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe Villanova. Because they were in that conference, that was automatic in the crown. Maybe NIT couldn't even ask them. Like they already said, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to get this done. Seems to me like more participation trophies. I mean Arkansas State versus St Louis. Arkansas State was 24-10. Obviously whatever conference they're in, yeah, they're not getting more than one.
Speaker 2:So NIT's got 32, and the Crown's got 16. Is that right? Yeah, that's what we said, Talking about 48.
Speaker 1:So you've got 68 and 32. The best you can be is over 100. Yeah, but wouldn't you by that metric?
Speaker 2:Wouldn't you rather see those other 48 schools just be in the tournament with everybody else than some random tournament nobody cares about? No, I mean, I'm not saying they're gonna do much good, but if I'm gonna watch them anyways, let's don't move everybody else all right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, let me find one. Uh, florida atlantic is in in the nit 19 and 15. They shouldn't in in the NIT 19 and 15. They shouldn't be in the tournament. That's a waste to me. So, like I said, to me, nit is fantastic for a school. I just found where'd they go? Uc Irvine 28 and 6 on the season just didn't win their conference tournament yeah, cool NIT fits for them. There's a reason they got number one in the NIT and then they're going to go play Northern Colorado, who is 25-9. Again, another school.
Speaker 2:Fantastic season.
Speaker 1:But yeah, those conferences, if you don't win the championship, you're not getting it.
Speaker 2:Their record is that good because of who they played. Oh, I agree, they're also playing much lower teams, yeah.
Speaker 1:But so Georgia Tech ACC team in the NIT got beat 81-64 to Jacksonville State. Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2:So that's what I'm saying. When is the NIT over? What does it run through? April 3rd.
Speaker 1:April 3rd is right up to it too. Yeah, it's. They kind of try to do all the championships kind of in succession.
Speaker 2:I think we should do them ahead of time. And the champion of the NIT and the Crown gets to be in the tournament. You get to sneak into the back. Like you said, a tournament before the tournament. I told you. So they do an all-star race in NASCAR, and before the all-star race, if you didn't qualify for it, for winning races or whatever, they'll do like a short race ahead of time and if you're top two, you.
Speaker 1:I remember you saying you could basically win your way in to the All-Star.
Speaker 2:We should do that.
Speaker 1:What's the point of winning into the All-Star Just because the All-Star is worth a bunch of money?
Speaker 2:A million dollars to the winner.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The race insane checkers or wreckers.
Speaker 1:If you're the last those two guys that got in you barely got in you're probably not having a great year already. You're probably not going to win.
Speaker 2:No, you're not, but I guess it's just out there for the fans. Your sponsors get to be on TV another time. I don't know. I wondered that myself too. When you get in there, you're probably not going to win it.
Speaker 1:I have a difficult time having an all-star anything. I'm not just talking about racing. It would be the same thing with golf or tennis or on an individual sport. It's hard to do an all-star because it's just another race, like it's not really any different. The only thing that's different is your prize.
Speaker 2:It is. Well, it's a shorter race. Like I said, it's points don't matter, it's win or go home, like you, just that's all that matters. So you do whatever it takes to win.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Like, to me it's really some type of all-star with a team. You kind of then just are then picking a new team, Like your guys got put on there.
Speaker 2:It's a little different.
Speaker 1:And again I'm not just saying NASCAR. I think that with any individual thing it's just hard to do any type of true all-star type event, which again don't look at the NBA for all-star help, because theirs is horrible. Honestly, don't look at the NFL. The Pro Bowl is pathetic.
Speaker 2:I think it needs to be more like it's so bad they can still do that to put on a show like a NASCAR, but it needs to be more about the fans and all these. It needs a fan event.
Speaker 1:I don't have an issue with that If you're basically just making a fan event but then come out and say, hey, this is a fan event, we're doing this for the racers, or?
Speaker 2:we're doing this for the players, or whatever.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to get too deep into NASCAR, but I've had a thought lately that might be very unpopular, I don't know, and you're not a big NASCAR fan, but this is in some other racing too. I think I would like to get rid of the pit stops, like if you need the pit stop, you stop. Everybody goes in and change your tires, whatever, go back out, you go back to the same position you was not. You know, right now it's timed and if your pit stop is bad, you lose positions. Like to me, that takes away from the race because the driver is the one out there. That's a star and they can do like you still have a team sport because they all got to build, when the best car doesn't win because their tire change is screwed up.
Speaker 1:Part of that, though, outside looking in again. Not a real racing fan, obviously not a NASCAR fan. Some of that, though, like the way you drive, is going to change how often you're going to need that pit, Like if you're hard on the, that pit, Like if you're if you're hard on the brakes, or if you, if you coast tires, your tires, your tires are going to wear.
Speaker 2:I mean, like I obviously understand that.
Speaker 1:I mean, just I like cars, so like I understand those sides of things, but that's where it's like, okay, it kind of has to still stay in, purely on the basis of well, this guy rises, break hard, this guy is hard on tires. Can you fault either of them, Cause that's just their style. Like obviously you're never going to have the same style across the board. So well.
Speaker 2:So dirt track when they do it, when they have pit stops or whatever they just like, freeze the field of caution. Everybody goes down the pits. You can take however much time you need I'm sure there's a limit and then you all come back out and you get your same position back. It's not like you lose positions in the pits.
Speaker 1:But if you have an issue and you need to pit, they're not going to do that just because one person has to pit. Oh no, if you have an issue, it's different. Well, but technically, tires worn is an issue, because of the way you drove. You now have this issue, so it's like I can't stop everybody just because this one guy, because even then you would then be requiring you'd almost have to require everybody to pit at the exact same time to have a level playing field and that to me is just another waste, because then you're stopping action, like then it just goes into the same thing in every sport.
Speaker 1:Right now that they're. We're so worried about another thing I was talking about earlier add another official. I don't want more fouls, because then it slows the game. I don't want more stoppages, because then it just slows, like you're technically if you're a racing fan, you're there for the racing you don't want to then be watching stops all the time because there's, especially in racing, because it's going to be.
Speaker 2:You have so much issue no, no, I, I get what you're saying there, but I think, um, it wouldn't be to the point that that you're saying you'd still have. You know, guys that's got to make their tires last, because we don't get to get tires until you know so many laps from now, or whatever.
Speaker 1:Um, well, but then it's a guy that is hard on tires is immediately a disadvantage than the guy that's hard on brakes or hard on whatever else. Like now you're saying everybody has to race the exact same way, and that guy that's hard on brakes or hard on whatever else, like now you're saying everybody has to race the exact same way, and that's part of what makes it interesting is the different styles.
Speaker 2:Not really. Well, that's the same thing with pits. You get different strategies and things like that. I don't like races. One on strategy there's guys that can save more fuel than other guys and they can win by saving fuel.
Speaker 1:That's just sports in general. Everything's a strategy strategy oh it is. So I'm like, well, if you're gonna take out strategy, why are we competing?
Speaker 2:well, no, because I want to see racing strategy. I want to see your on-track strategy not, that's not you able to save fuel longer than the other guy I just I hate it.
Speaker 1:I mean, oh it is, but again, like that's that to me is like saying we all have the same playbook. I want like that's how that feels to me like in basketball you can't have this is how we play. Like that's how that feels, where it's like we can't game play, but I want the strategy in the driver, not the crew chiefs, not the, not the guys behind the wall.
Speaker 2:I want the driver, his driving strategy, to be what makes him win the race. Not because well, but the issue with that is I.
Speaker 1:I have a buddy that went to the school for that and he was talking about like he went once and didn't realize kind of what it was really like, because you know, when we're living shelby, it wasn't that far for him to go over to charlotte and go to that school and he said you don't get hired on unless you've been through that school like five times I'm sure, because it's like they are best of the best they are. But the thing is every single one of those guys are training the exact same. You're getting basically the same person.
Speaker 2:You are, but when you watch races.
Speaker 1:That's not the same strategy which, again, it plays a big part Then you're at human error You're talking about. Anything can happen. That's part of it. But that to me is the same thing, like I complain about the kid at Carolina for a lane violation. You're recruiting better teammates, you teammates. You're recruiting better pit crew you're recruiting better whatever. To me it's just part of the whole. It's what makes it interesting Human error is what makes a lot of things interesting.
Speaker 2:But they try to make racing out like it's a team sport, and to me it's not.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I don't feel that it is at all, but pit crews when you're on a racing team.
Speaker 1:The team sets up the car, the team does this. Well, the jerseys out. You've got a whole team behind the scenes that does all that, but they're not I agree, and that's where that's a whole different thing.
Speaker 2:That's my thing. They're part of the business. That's like saying you know five minutes of every quarter you gotta put the managers out on the floor to play basketball. That's kind of what I feel like with the pit crew sometimes that's what they should do in the crown they should. The crown should be mandatory your manager's got to play yeah, they gotta play so many minutes, uh, but that's kind of what it feels like. A little bit I get what you're saying, but that's probably unpopular.
Speaker 1:I just want to see the drivers. I definitely think that's hugely unpopular.
Speaker 2:I'm sure it is.
Speaker 1:I just think it's strategy at that point. I've obviously watched some racing growing up because some of my family does like it, but not a media family, but some cousins and stuff they would talk about. Arnherr raced a certain way, Gordon raced a certain way. Some of these guys raced, but that to me is just the same reason. That some tracks benefit certain people better than others is partly because their strategy on how they drive just fits that track better.
Speaker 2:Agreed. But now see, I don't mind that again because it's the driver and it doesn't happen all the time. Again, I just hate. You know, a guy has been leading best car, best driver, comes to the end, bad pit stop, getting the tire changed and he's done, and it's just like.
Speaker 1:Don't have a crappy team.
Speaker 2:Agreed, but I don't think it's a team sport.
Speaker 1:But jokingly it comes back into what we said. These basketball teams that are like, oh, we should have been in, should have won, sorry, it's one of those.
Speaker 2:we could easily say that but that's not how I really feel on it. But again, you said shouldn't have a bad team. I don't think it should be a team, so that's the difference.
Speaker 1:Well, so it is a team in the fact of. To me, the team is not part of what, what the ultimate sport is, because if the only person we know is the guy that drives that number, it ain't the team. Yeah, like I mean, and you can say that a lot of sports, well, you don't know the guys on the end of the bench, you're right, but I know more than one person, like especially as a fan, like you're gonna know several people per so this is kind of a team.
Speaker 2:It's two people. Shouldn't golfers, caddies, be more known, because they play such an important part in the game?
Speaker 1:I think that depends on the level of fan you are.
Speaker 2:You don't think they should be on TV, like because they're a huge part of they're on TV a lot.
Speaker 1:Like anymore, like the discussions are a bigger thing. They're like. They're calling caddies by names. They're putting out how much the caddies made that year.
Speaker 2:Like it has become a much more popular thing. It should be, because they have so much say in it. That to me feels a little bit different though, because those are literally like contracted people.
Speaker 1:I mean they're getting. They will talk about what percentage they're going to get with winnings. They're going to literally discuss every shot with you. It's more than just I hand you a club and I keep stuff clean, yeah Like. It's literally like hey, you remember when we walked this course on Monday and we said we don't want to be in that spot. Well, if you go with this club, we could be in that spot. It's like talking you on and off?
Speaker 2:What percentages are you seeing caddies get there right now? 10%, is that a high?
Speaker 1:I think 10 is kind of the running, so a really good caddy makes more.
Speaker 2:But I think that's the base. Aren't caddies more than 10% involved? I don't think they should be equal, but I think they should be more than they are.
Speaker 1:They're very involved but it still comes down to the player to make the shot.
Speaker 2:Their talent, they're kind of the coach of a basketball team right, If you walk out?
Speaker 1:to the course with me and you say I think you should hit this. I mean, you've played with me a lot. You kind of know what club I'm going to hit in different areas. I think you should hit this Well, this well, when I chunk it five yards. Just you gave me the right club.
Speaker 2:You did all the right stuff, but I failed. Well, don't you feel? Isn't that like a basketball coach?
Speaker 1:like a coach tells you what to do, how to do it, you gotta go do it no, not exactly, because there's a lot of instances with a, with a golfer hey, I really think you should hit this nine. You know they say like a knockdown nine, meaning I'm keeping it lower, I'm trying to hit it through the wind, something like that. I think you should hit a knockdown nine, but a golfer is going to say, nope, I don't want to Like. The vast majority of the time, if you're a coach and a player, you don't get that option.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:Like you're going to get benched, there's going to be more repercussion to it where the player may say I agree, that's a good shot, but I feel more comfortable doing this.
Speaker 2:And they're going to make their own decision because ultimately it's them that matters. No, I think the players are star, but the caddies more than people make out.
Speaker 1:No, listen, I think caddy is super, super important. I think it's what makes them a lot better. But I also think the caddy can do a really good job and the player could still fail. The caddie could do horrible and the player's still successful, because ultimately it's all on the player, Like if that caddie is the best caddie there is, but the player plays bad all year and he's no longer on tour. It's not the caddie's fault.
Speaker 2:I think you just described North Carolina basketball. That's relegation, I mean it's very different. And you just described North Carolina basketball.
Speaker 1:Terrible coaching and they finally just won some games.
Speaker 2:No, he's a great coach and bad players, just couldn't get it done.
Speaker 1:I don't think we have a great team at all and I definitely don't think coaching is helping.
Speaker 2:Well, them getting in the. If they're going to have a tournament play like they did, you're probably stuck for a while with Hubert Davis.
Speaker 1:They've already signed him an extension.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they could get out of that if they wanted to.
Speaker 1:He signed a top five guy and they're like, oh, we keep him.
Speaker 2:They could get out of that if he'd done horrible.
Speaker 1:But he's there now. Here's the thing you want. To pay enough money, you can always get out of anything when it comes to sports. Some of the stuff we've seen.
Speaker 2:People pay it.
Speaker 1:Oh, they do, but if you want rid of somebody, bad enough, it's like it's worth it. In the end is the business decision worth it? Yeah, it's worth it.
Speaker 2:Just because I don't know and I don't want to bore everybody too much about this, but like the caddies they have contracts. Can you buy out a caddy if you want their caddy?
Speaker 1:I don't know the ins and outs of contract, but we see hirings and firings here and there so it sounds like contract ain't much. If they can, I don't, I don't think there's really any buyout, because it's not like they can.
Speaker 2:They're not a controlling interest, I'm just thinking like if you know scotty scheffler's caddy and he's number one, like hey, come here, I'll pay you more scotty's caddy ain't going nowhere, no. But I'm like hey, I'll pay you more if you come help me.
Speaker 1:But you got to think who's going to win as much as Scotty Scheffler does. You're not going to get the percentage. No, I just guarantee money.
Speaker 2:Is there any caddies that get guaranteed money? No, is it all off-ownings?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because here's the thing If you're guaranteeing X amount of dollars and you don't make X amount of dollars, you don't have to pay, so then you're in a bad spot.
Speaker 2:You can pay it out of your pocket until you start getting better, I guess most of those guys don't have any money.
Speaker 1:It's all coming from sponsors and family. Yeah, most of those guys that's how they make it is off of somebody else's dime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's kind of a payback we've talked about that you can get into college especially we talk about girls. You know you can get a uh see when's bothering you too. Um, you can get um like full ride and golf, into colleges like that. But to break into, you know the on tour and things like that, it takes some dedication, it takes some, some money backing.
Speaker 1:That you've got to be able to get after it oh, I mean a friend of ours, connor who, who works for cobra currently and he's he's doing the pro golf stuff and he's going that whole route and he's like, honestly, it's easier to try to play in a monday qualifier and make a pro tournament that way than it is to basically go through their minor league, which is the corn fairy tour. He's like those guys are so good there's no money in it. You have to have so much money backing to be able to make it. Yeah, all these guys are shooting like 10 under on regular courses. How do you make it through?
Speaker 2:that it's not one of those things. You can, you know, have a part-time job to live off of and still play golf.
Speaker 1:It's a full, and that's I mean. We talked like you said before the thing. You were talking to Connor the other day and he's like what else do you do? And he's like I play golf.
Speaker 2:Like that's. He's like I do this some on the weekends and I play golf, but I could see why. If you don't have that financial backing, you've got a short amount of time to either make it or don't, or give up.
Speaker 1:You've got a very small window, yeah, but that's the thing If you could technically be really really good. Golf's one of the hard things because there's so much to it, You've got to have so many different things. It's not just basketball. If you're super, super athletic, you can make it Football. If you're super, super fast, they can usually find a spot for you, because it's something you can't do.
Speaker 1:Golf and I would say probably baseball too. There's just so many little individual mechanics and you have to have all of them. There's no, I can just do this and make it. You have to have all of them. There's no, I can just do this and make it, like you have to be able to do a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2:I wish there was a way golf could fix that to help where it doesn't take so much money to get in, give more opportunities, and I don't know what that answer is, I think the best way to do it is the smaller levels have to be able to pay more.
Speaker 1:So the guys that are actually placing high enough that money is covering the rest of their year expenses. You know Corn Ferry. If you win three times on the Corn Ferry you're automatically in the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2:We should do a PGA Tour draft, like college players, whatever. Just you can draft 10 every year to just put them on tour because they were good, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Be the same people every year, well, probably. It would just turn into hey, I like that guy, I don't want him to go yeah, probably so. Even if he was horrible.
Speaker 2:Or give, I don't know. I don't know how you do it again, but it'd be great to see more opportunities there.
Speaker 1:Golf's a very weird sport and it's never going to be a true mainstream type thing.
Speaker 2:TGL has a better chance of being mainstream than regular golf, does'm telling you, I got it just does. At first we was kind of on the fence, but I've got into it.
Speaker 1:I hope it stays around. I think at the very least we get one more year. I don't think they'll not at least give it two. I think it goes longer but I think we at the minimum get two still primetime espn number like.
Speaker 2:I think at the minimum we get that I feel like it's been a success for the first year.
Speaker 1:I know it's had some things, but it's the first year. So league-wise, yeah, I think it has success. But we all know money rules the world it's going to depend on. Did it do the numbers according to them? That's where it really matters. So I don't know. Yeah, when you put that much money into something, let's all be honest. Tiger Woods and Rory they got it.
Speaker 2:Well, they do, but they're not going to lose it. They've got to say, hey, we've got to make this back. I agree with that.
Speaker 1:But they're also partly owned I think 20% by the PGA Tour. So there's again money backing there. It's all a product. So there's again money backing there Like it's all a product. So again, that's why I hate the whole thing of well, why is TGL more popular than Live? It's backed by ESPN and the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2:Like it's got the backing of everything. Honestly, it's when it comes on TV, 100%. That's what helps it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did see some people talking about TGL or, excuse me, talking about Live and their biggest tournament of the year. The final day only had like 55,000 viewers. And I'm like yeah but that was last year when they were on YouTube. True, they didn't have a deal with anybody. It's a little different being on Fox. Fox is a big network. Again, I don't think they'll ever be PGA Tour, but I think they'll grow and they're eventually going to come back together. We all know this.
Speaker 2:I'm sure they will.
Speaker 1:We know that's going to happen.
Speaker 2:That's probably what's best. Hey, let's keep them separate, like back in the day wrestling the NWO and WCW.
Speaker 1:They were the same company. That was WWF and WCW. Nwo is just a group, yeah that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:When NWO came on WCW, it was all owned by WCW but they were still separate.
Speaker 1:Still, it was two different companies. They just slid over to do the thing, so you still have to have the company name be different.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. Put them all back on tour, but you still got Liv versus the tour. That's what I want to see.
Speaker 1:I think there'll be animosity forever. The guys that left, that took the money, animosity or jealousy, animosity, because some of the guys had no sense to leave. They were making that kind of money. It just wasn't off the play, it was off the deals they were getting. It's really hard for me to listen to Rory talk about he's upset. Some of these guys left for this kind of money. Not everybody's getting the deals that you get through Nike and through.
Speaker 2:TaylorMade.
Speaker 1:You are making so much money outside of golf. He got that money too. You've got guaranteed money. It's just coming by a different way. So I have a hard time in any huge professional athletes talking about we don't make enough, like really, let's talk about the dudes that work 100 hours a week.
Speaker 2:They don't make enough.
Speaker 1:Like that's a whole different ballgame. I'm with you there, that's hard to listen to, so I don't know if you've looked at it at all. Wnbas apparently claim they're going to go on strike because they need more money. Oh my gosh and this is not me saying anything about women's basketball but the league doesn't make money, so how can they pay more money?
Speaker 2:That's what it's all about.
Speaker 1:That's what drives me nuts If you're not making money? Theoretically, we should have shut it down a long time ago.
Speaker 2:You're right, they're 20-something years old in the red every year we talk about G League basketball and all that stuff. Right red. Every year we talk about G League basketball and all that stuff. If you're not making money, you can't pay money. It's nothing to do with women.
Speaker 1:The G League. It is a direct subsidiary of the NBA. It's their minor league. So they're like alright, fine, we will front that money, but the WNBA was supposed to be its own separate league. Nba will fund it for a few years, so it gets on its feet and then they'll do their own thing. Well, for 25, 26, however long it's been around, the NBA pays everything, just pays it all. So to me, how do you say well, we need more money. It's not like they're not making money. The base salary is like 80 grand a year. That's more than most people make.
Speaker 2:You know from owning a small business, I want to make more money. Sure, I go make the business make more money. That's the only way you do it. Like you can't just demand more money, Like that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:Well, so partly to me again, outside looking in WNBA was becoming something when I was a kid. So I don't really remember the start of it, I don't really remember any of that side of it, but it almost to me feels like it tried to grow to be what the NBA is before the money was there to grow what the NBA is Like. The NBA when it was founded obviously was very, very small.
Speaker 2:You have to be entertaining enough to get more viewers, more fans to come to games, more fans to buy merchandise. That's the way you get more money. And if you can't do that, like, stop worrying about striking stuff, go out here and try to make money.
Speaker 1:Push your stars, do more, and it's just like you said, running a small business. If we want to make more money, we have to do more things.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm sorry that the NBA guys don't have to go put themselves out there and basically market themselves as much. But until you get there, you've got to put the work in Exactly. Basically, you put all this work in to make it pro. Now you've got to put work in on the image side of things to get there.
Speaker 2:That's what I think. Stop complaining about it and go make the business more.
Speaker 1:I mean that's what I think, Stop complaining about it and go make the business more. I mean, that's my only complaint. Like again. The big thing, you see, is like Angel Reese everywhere. Angel Reese is not a good basketball player, she's just not. I mean they have some very, very talented basketball players in that league. I mean, I'll 100% say it, I don't feel like she's one of them. No, I don't either, but that's the one right now. That's kind of the poster child of we're not afraid to go strike, okay.
Speaker 2:Bye. I don't know what else to say to that. I don't know how that's going to help them, is the thing.
Speaker 1:It won't. I mean, basically they're trying to leverage the NBA to get more money, that's what I was going to say In my mind. The NBA shouldn't give them more money?
Speaker 2:So that's what they want the NBA to pay it Pretty much Okay.
Speaker 1:Because I mean, who else would pay it?
Speaker 2:That's what I was wondering they're owned by the NBA.
Speaker 1:They're operated by the NBA.
Speaker 2:They're funded every single year by it, but a player gets paid by their team owner.
Speaker 1:technically, that's who they work for partially well, so they work for the nba as well. Like part of the money they get is the the revenue share of the actual league itself. So yes, and again, the wba couldn't do that because there's no money to share. Like so obviously couldn't do that, which is fine. Like but, it's. They've got to get to a point where it does make its own money I think you're like me too.
Speaker 2:Like I'm pro women's sports, I want them to succeed. I mean, I've got a daughter playing sports.
Speaker 1:I I just got done helping coach a girls basketball team like yeah if I, if I didn't care about girls, which again the reason the whole issue of you know boys and girls sports, why it's such an issue? It's it should be its own sport, like it should be a thing I'm fine with. I think it's great everyone like the same reason. I'm all for special olympics and paralympics and all these things.
Speaker 1:Those guys and girls could not compete against you know, if you don't have legs, you can't compete against somebody that does have legs in a running competition. It's two different things. I'm all for there being sections for it. That's cool, it should be. Women should have their own league. But any business, it's got to make its own money.
Speaker 2:I would love to see the WNBA be more successful, get more talent, get more fans, all that but you can't just strike and ask for it.
Speaker 1:You've got to do things to make the league better. You've got to figure out there are ways to make it better. They've just got to figure out what the best ways are yeah, and maybe it's whoever's leading the WNBA.
Speaker 2:I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1:whoever the commissioner, whatever, Couldn't tell you who leads it.
Speaker 2:Maybe they need to make some changes there and get some things done.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know they've had several and you know, obviously Kaitlin Clark has pushed the WNBA massively. People have really gotten behind her, but she plays good basketball. Like I said, they've got some good talent. It's just they also have some talent and it's the ones that are the loudest, that aren't very good, that are saying we need this we need this. It's like that just gets old.
Speaker 2:No, I agree with you.
Speaker 1:If the NBA was doing the same thing, I have no issue saying the same thing about them.
Speaker 2:It's just they make money. I haven't watched the NBA because I don't care for the product, but they're making money.
Speaker 1:That's how they're able to pay, obviously, I mean look at jersey sales, Look at ticket sales, look at everything. The money is there for them. That's why these guys keep getting pay raises.
Speaker 2:I cannot believe what it costs to buy a jersey. It is crazy. Jerseys are outrageous and people buy them all the time. Yeah, I couldn't do it. I mean I'd have to be all in.
Speaker 1:I like the T-shirt jerseys. I guess you have a T-shirt and it's got the name on the back and the number. I like those. I think they're cool, but those are also like $30. I'm okay with doing that.
Speaker 2:I don't know what makes a jersey so expensive, other than I guess that's what you see on TV.
Speaker 1:maybe it's the replica of what those guys are wearing. It's kind of like to me you've got to be a hardcore fan to be a jersey person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like it's just not.
Speaker 1:I'm a hardcore fan of sports. I'm just not going for jerseys All right, here's a tough question.
Speaker 2:Okay, can you wear a jersey anywhere other than a game?
Speaker 1:I think you can, should you. I mean, that's up to you if you want to like. I mean buddy mine in high school wore a different jersey almost every day, did he? And it was kind of just like I, yeah, okay, I didn't, I didn't care as a grown man can he still do it? If you want to. I mean, do you look at it?
Speaker 2:go I guess to me like I just don't care you don't care, okay, so no, I mean some people just really I'm not a jersey person never have been, never will be.
Speaker 1:but I care, like that's what you like and you want to wear it Cool.
Speaker 2:I don't have the physique to wear a Jersey.
Speaker 1:Oh, but you're going to blow away in this wind. Don't get me started.
Speaker 2:This is some strong wind. Sorry, I feel like I had to go there.
Speaker 1:You've made that one too easy. You're asking about physique and you're talking about getting blown away. I'm just you know, I'm just here, so I don't get fined. I'm just here so I don't get fined. Oh, I am excited.
Speaker 2:Next couple days lots of basketball, Very excited about that I got a lot of work I need to do the next couple days.
Speaker 1:I'm afraid I'm going to get nothing done. I'm not even afraid of that, I guarantee you, I'm not going to get anything done. Like it's this time of year, I'm just excited.
Speaker 2:So these two well, two days like work days, like Thursday and Friday. You know you have the weekend the same way, but then next week it starts letting up a little bit because there's less games.
Speaker 1:There's less games. So, yeah, the first week's always the hardest because you've got round of 64, round of 32. That's just a game on. That's what I love about conference tournaments, like, if you just want to watch basketball, there is a game to watch.
Speaker 2:I like that. I usually get to where I start watching them and then I kind of go on to halftime, I switch to the other one and then I get to a point where I can watch the end of all of them. I just go to the end, the end, the end, the second half or whatever.
Speaker 1:To me it depends like if it's a good game between two teams, regardless of the seed, I'll get sucked into it yeah even if another game may be ending, if it's not, I can say depends on how close it is if, like I, were just seeing it back and forth, back and forth, like I will stick to that one and just stay um. But yeah, if you get ones like you start to stretch it out to you know eight or so, then I start flipping.
Speaker 2:If it's like we're having lead changes every five seconds, yeah, I know I'm, I'm staying there yep, this is a fun time I'm excited about it, but that wind's getting a little bit colder I put on a hoodie before we started and it was kind of too warm for the hoodie. But I knew what I was going to be, because last week I got too cold well, but the issue is now.
Speaker 1:It's late, but I'm kind of hungry.
Speaker 2:You know I'm starving.
Speaker 1:I knew you were going to say that I was thinking.
Speaker 2:I was like you know that place.
Speaker 1:I said that had a terrible grade. If I need to comment about food right now, I guarantee you where he is.
Speaker 2:Oh, I've been sitting here getting hungry anyways, but I was thinking, that place, I said, had a terrible grade, they never sound good, I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1:Especially not after that grade.
Speaker 2:Well, it went up. Actually, I think it went up to like a 96.
Speaker 1:I was there not long ago. That was a pity. 96 is all that was I feel bad for you.
Speaker 2:They're getting ready to shut you down. We got to make it go up, maybe so.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Well, listen, we tried to make it a whole episode without talking about food, but you all knew it was going to get there eventually.
Speaker 2:Our two favorite topics. I said that College basketball right now, and food, food and sports. If you ever ask me, you know you say what's your two favorite topics right now. One of them is going to rotate, you know, depending on how college football is going on.
Speaker 1:Depending on the season, depending on the season.
Speaker 2:You know what am I into at that moment.
Speaker 1:But the other one is always going to be, always gonna be food. I just like food. If you've seen me, you know I like food. You know I have to ask right what. You're worried about getting blown away by the wind, and you're talking about how much you love.
Speaker 2:Well, so what's funny is I'm definitely overweight. Okay it's, it's definitely overweight, but I don't think I'm like huge no, no, no I'm not saying you're saying, you're huge, but this is not. There's room in this chair beside me.
Speaker 1:Okay, this isn't 100 mile an hour wind.
Speaker 2:Well, it feels like it. Okay, it's like 12. I don't like cold at all, and this is cold wind, so you know what just?
Speaker 1:where's the mute button?
Speaker 1:hardest, part 70 is 76 today I was, and then it's gonna be in another couple hours 30 so that's part of the issue. That's weird, but I will say having a lot of fun. Appreciate all you guys. We're seeing again more, more growth, more, more listeners, more and more social media stuff, more more kind of everything. Um, again, shout out to the guys, if you're that came and talked to us before the show got started. I will say this In the next couple of weeks, we will probably have a third voice on here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we just get a rotating voice. We don't need to be every week.
Speaker 1:No, we definitely won't have a guest every week, but especially as we get into some warmer weather and some nicer weather and a lot more people are moving around, we've got a few ideas of the first few people we're going to have on, but I won't for sure say next week. But I'd like to have somebody for next week. Possibly I've got a couple of phone calls.
Speaker 2:We'll give them 10 minutes or so.
Speaker 1:Depending on the people, I'll make it five Again. I can mute really quickly.
Speaker 2:At some point we're going to go. It's not hard. Yeah, I just want to hear myself talk again. I'm tired of listening to everybody else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, that's why I want to have some guests, just because it changes it up, but at the same time, give another point of view. Why not? Yeah?
Speaker 2:And again we, we got some buddies that I think it'd be really fun to have on. I told you I wanted somebody else to argue with. I got to argue about the moon landing.
Speaker 1:You argued so freaking much I did. Oh, I almost forgot. I have something for you.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I found it today.
Speaker 1:What'd? You find and if I had to see it, so did you. So here you go, let's see what do we got here. You know, the lights went off. I can't even see this. It did go off. Oh my God, is that school up north?
Speaker 2:So I found that today, two different times, yeah, I say, throw it in the trash. I tried to put it in the trash. Throw it in the trash.
Speaker 1:I showed it to Amanda when she came out here to pick up the boys, because they got dropped off here today, and she's like why do you have that? And I was like not by choice, somebody left it.
Speaker 2:I don't know. You seen that video where the guy they hit the golf ball and the other guy pulls out a shotgun and does like skeet shoot with a golf ball.
Speaker 1:That's what we should do with that one. No, I just throw that away. I don't even want to dignify it by shooting it.
Speaker 2:You don't want to shoot it, put it in the trash.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, I guess Appreciate you guys again having tons of fun, ready to keep going, Lots and lots of ideas, but we hope to have you guys listen again next week. Hope that you reach out to us Again, ask us some questions. If you're going to argue, at least have some kind of backing. Other than I think differently than you.
Speaker 2:That's stupid At least have some kind of argument. That was my problem. The arguments with the moon landing on social media. I didn't even know how to talk to these people. The things they say don't make sense. I had one guy tell me that it was possible that the moon landing happened because we don't make cars like we used to. That's why we don't have the technology anymore.
Speaker 1:Wait, what, that's a terrible argument.
Speaker 2:I'm like what I said.
Speaker 1:I mean, in a lot of ways we make them better.
Speaker 2:I said, yeah, we don't make them like they used to. That doesn't mean we can't.
Speaker 1:We don't. We have that technology. We chose not to because it's cheaper to do it the other way.
Speaker 2:Anyways, it's like midnight and if I get on this, who knows where, some stupid stuff.
Speaker 1:But thank you guys for listening and we hope to see you next time.