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March Madness & Money Battles
The boundaries of college basketball postseason play are stretched thin with the puzzling arrival of the "College Basketball Crown," a Las Vegas tournament designed for teams that couldn't crack the NCAA Tournament or NIT. With spots for the 101st to 116th ranked teams in college basketball, this FOX Sports-backed event raises serious questions about participation culture in sports and whether we've gone too far in creating postseason opportunities.
As Selection Sunday approaches, we dive deep into conference tournament implications and NCAA bracket projections. Is the SEC basketball renaissance real, or just overhyped? Will Duke make it past the Sweet 16? Can Auburn represent the conference in the Final Four? Our candid predictions might ruffle some feathers, particularly as we examine Carolina's precarious tournament position and what it means for Hubert Davis's coaching future.
The conversation takes a startling turn when we discuss Dodger Stadium's eye-popping concession prices - $15 hot dogs and $35 beers that exemplify the growing disconnect between professional sports and everyday fans. This leads to a fascinating exchange about restaurant health inspection ratings and what number would make each of us walk away from a meal.
The episode wraps with a philosophical debate about what truly constitutes a "sport" versus what makes someone an "athlete." Can you have athletes participating in activities that aren't sports? Can you have sports that don't require athletes? From NASCAR to cheerleading, golf to wrestling, we challenge conventional wisdom and expectations about competitive endeavors.
Join us next Tuesday—yes, we're moving to earlier in the week!—as we break down the NCAA Tournament bracket and welcome our first guest contributors to the show in the coming episodes.
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Speaker 2:Well, all I had was a name of something. I hadn't heard of it. I didn't do anything, I just brought up. Oh no, you did it.
Speaker 1:you knew what you doing. I hadn't heard of it until tonight.
Speaker 2:Yes, For good reason is what it sounds like. Okay, listen.
Speaker 1:all I said was Go ahead and preface how you did from before.
Speaker 2:Okay, all I said was hey, I got this thing I saw in the ad and I was going to look it up and wanted to see if you had seen what it was, because I don't know what it is and it's called college basketball crown yeah and so all of a sudden, you're like going crazy.
Speaker 1:I don't know what happened well, so I'm all innocent over here I went and pulled up the website, okay, and you asked me about it. I'm like, all right, I haven't heard of this, let me go, let me go check it out. And if you haven't checked it out website, honestly, it's not very well designed, to be honest, like it's just, it kind of runs together. There's one giant page but College Basketball Crown Trying to figure out who's going to play in this. They said there's like two Biggies, two Big 12, two of another conference.
Speaker 2:It's a college basketball tournament that runs from what?
Speaker 1:March 31st yeah, March 31st to April 6th in Las.
Speaker 2:Vegas, so during the time of the Final Four and the championship NCAA tournament. Correct, so it's 16 teams that did not make the NCAA tournament. I think, like you said, two Big 12, two Big 10, two Big East or something like that that are guaranteed, guaranteed, and then some committee.
Speaker 1:The rest are picked by committee. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's where the teams are coming from.
Speaker 1:Okay, it sounds cool. You go watch the video on their website. They have this really excited good music and they have this good montage. It sounds great. It got me excited. I was like yeah, this is cool, there are 68 teams in the NCAA tournament. In case everyone's forgot, there's this little thing called the NIT. Yep, basically, you're not good enough to make the NCAA, so we give you this secondary tournament.
Speaker 2:It's been around for a long time, and that's the tournament we all make fun of anyways, correct?
Speaker 1:And there's 32 teams in that.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So if you go win the college basketball crown, we're going to do this whole production, we're going to crown you.
Speaker 2:We're going to do all this so you can say hey guys, we're number 101. Yeah, pretty much. What are?
Speaker 1:we doing so. Yeah, we got 100 teams in um.
Speaker 2:It's an NCAA and NIT, there's 100, so we're gonna take 101 through 116 and put them in a bracket which already is probably too many, but the one that wins, we're gonna crown them.
Speaker 1:That's what it said. You've've looked this up. There's like 360-something, division I 352,.
Speaker 2:I think that's what I said last week 352, something like that yeah, ncaa Division I teams.
Speaker 1:We are making tournaments now for over a third of them.
Speaker 2:It's participation trophies. That's all that is. That's what it is. So We've got to make sure everybody gets to play and feels like they belong and gets a trophy.
Speaker 1:Now Everybody gets to play and feels like they belong and gets a trophy. Now I understand. For the NCAA. They're thinking, oh, this is more money.
Speaker 2:Is that? Who's doing it? I don't even know who's putting it on.
Speaker 1:Well, they've got to have some kind of partnership with it, because NCAA is going to get their money somehow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'd be their team. We know how this goes.
Speaker 1:But Fox has a big hand in this. T-mobile has a big hand in it All. Fox has a big hand in this. T-mobile has a big hand in it. All of the casinos in Vegas have some type of hand in it. They've got sponsorship from MGM Valvoline, ghost, the energy drink company, I mean they've got some big names behind this and they show all this great stuff. They even have a Crown Town Fan Fest in Vegas Friday, april 4th.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so is all this happening in Vegas All?
Speaker 1:of it's happening in Vegas.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I can promise you, I don't even think. If someone called me and said hey, I've got tickets to give you for this.
Speaker 2:I'll stay home. What if you're a team that you know didn't make the NIT NCAA tournament and they call you out? You're?
Speaker 1:an embarrassment If you accept this.
Speaker 2:You are an embarrassment. There are some that won't accept the NIT because of that.
Speaker 1:Both of our teams in the past few years have decided not to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know why you would.
Speaker 1:I mean we saw Kentucky the one year that they went and did it and got beat by Robert Morris.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they had played in their gym.
Speaker 1:It was horrible. Carolina a few years ago said hey, we're not going. So if the college basketball crown calls, I'm definitely not going.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I'm looking this up right now. So I'm on the NCAA, okay it blows my mind. And again, this may not, obviously this may not be exactly what the NCAA and the NIT pick, but right now, correct the 101 ranked school in the college basketball NCAA Division. I is Troy From.
Speaker 1:Alabama. So they're going to go all the way from Alabama to Las Vegas to potentially go win a tournament and say we're number 101.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't have to go through all 16 here because I don't want to bore you to death. Oh, of course not. Let me tell you some teams that might be in this, based on this ranking. Okay, troy, I said St Louis who. St Louis who From who From the Atlantic 10.
Speaker 1:Yeah who.
Speaker 2:We got Virginia from the ACC. That would be good. Loyola, loyola I can't say that Loyola, loyola, chicago.
Speaker 1:So Virginia will decline that, because they just came out today and said they're not picking up the interim coach as the head coach. They're starting a coach search, so they're not going to do any postseason.
Speaker 2:UAB Samford.
Speaker 1:Are we taking the whole state of Alabama?
Speaker 2:Northern Alabama.
Speaker 1:We are. I think You've had like three Alabama teams so far.
Speaker 2:Utah Valley, florida Atlantic. I mean, I'm getting excited, listen.
Speaker 1:College Basketball Crown. I'll post my number somewhere. You want to give us tickets? Call. I'm giving them to David because I'm not coming. Hey, let's go.
Speaker 2:This is ridiculous. C-sun S-C-U-N. I don't even know who that is from the Big West UNCW, from CAA I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1:No, they're in the tournament. Wilmington already won their conference.
Speaker 2:Oh, did they? Yeah, they're in the NCAA tournament. Okay well, they're ranked like 103rd.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 103rd, yeah. So I'm currently looking at the buy tickets tab on their website. Okay, $23. $23?, $18. You are telling me that a college basketball game in 2025, a postseason tournament in Las Vegas. You can go that cheap. It's not worth my time. If I was in Vegas and I've never been to Vegas- If I lived close, I might do it just as something to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1:But they also host NCAA tournament games fairly close to those areas also. I'd much rather go to that. Yeah, now you're going to pay 10 times.
Speaker 2:It'd be a little cheaper. At least 10 times for it, but that I'm very annoyed by this so I think if I'm like that top team that gets picked, I'm going, because we're just going to run through the tournament, we're going to get crowned so kentucky, if, if you know, they're like hey, you guys want to come heck yeah let's go.
Speaker 1:We're running through this tournament we're going to play the whole state of Alabama.
Speaker 2:No, it would kind of be embarrassing for a school.
Speaker 1:I think so I don't see a point in that.
Speaker 2:I hate to say this because you're a North Carolina fan, but there could be several ACC schools in that tournament.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, but the ACC is horrible. I know Now I will say this as of tonight. Second round of the ACC tournament just happened. Carolina beat Notre Dame by 20.
Speaker 2:Yep, they're still in.
Speaker 1:Per bracketology. Per bracketology, which means nothing, because this is Joe Lunardi his stuff. This is not an actual committee that's putting these things out.
Speaker 2:You're saying he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 1:Oh, sometimes he's lost his mind. He gets off his rocker. Sometimes A lot of things he says are good, but there's some things that he just I think forgets what he's supposed to be doing. So he currently has Carolina as the last team in. Now, when you go, look at that as a Carolina fan, you're like okay, that's not bad, 16 seed right. No. They're projected as a 12 seed currently, currently, but the 12 seed play-in game so they have to play that.
Speaker 2:What is that like?
Speaker 1:a tuesday, wednesday, something again you were getting an additional round, not saying carolina's gonna go win the tournament, but as a 12 or 11. Those are positions that you upset a lot historically. Likeically, like when you do brackets, we're always picking either a 14, a 13, a 12, or 11 to upset somebody, because it just seems like it happens all the time.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:But now you're making them play an additional game.
Speaker 2:I'm still with you. I don't get it If you tell me you're the last team in. Okay, you're 16.
Speaker 1:That means you're a 16. Or you're going to play in for a 16. So, basically, they have two teams that are 12, but we couldn't decide which one's a better 12. Okay, then make the other one a 13. It doesn't mean to me that we say, oh, let's go play in for 12.
Speaker 2:I don't get it, you want to have four play-ins for 16?
Speaker 1:Cool, have at it.
Speaker 2:We talked about that a couple weeks ago, where they want to add a few more teams. I bet that'd be the same way.
Speaker 1:Go to what was it?
Speaker 2:72, I think yeah, so we'll just get playing games for like the eight seed or something, or I don't.
Speaker 1:I love college basketball and I love the ncaa tournament, but I like just the like 64 team bracket. I don't, I don't need of things.
Speaker 2:I don't mind the playing games, but I'm like you. It's weird what those teams are seeded once they win, or if you lose you're out. That doesn't make sense to me. Well, it's on commercial at the moment, but we got the SEC tournament up here.
Speaker 1:Not a game worth watching.
Speaker 2:It's not, but curious because we love the NCAA tournament. We've been through this around a little bit. What are you thinking of the conference tournaments?
Speaker 1:So we've had a bunch of small tournaments already finish Technically. I guess your biggest one out on the West Coast, gonzaga St Mary, had a heck of a game last night, gonzaga, in typical Gonzaga fashion, they won.
Speaker 2:So they're guaranteed in those conferences.
Speaker 1:But that conference is now going to get two St Mary's the top 25 team. They're not going to leave them out. They've been good all year. They've beat Gonzaga this year already. So that conference is now taking two positions would Gonzaga gotten in without winning that? It didn't look like it. It was going to be very close. It was going to be very, very close.
Speaker 2:See, that's weird to me, because for a conference you want that other team in, for revenue and notoriety, whatever.
Speaker 1:Typically yeah.
Speaker 2:Do you ever think, okay, gonzaga's going to win this game, because we want two in, regardless of what happens? No, you don't think it ever happens.
Speaker 1:So St Mary, who is an 18 seed, who's currently 18th in the country before that game, has played Gonzaga more times than they can count and can't beat Mark Few. Mark Few has 20 conference tournament championships.
Speaker 2:I'll just tell you, if I'm the commissioner of that conference, I'm talking to officials. Whoever I'm going to say hey, if it's a close game, gonzaga better win, because I want two teams in the tournament.
Speaker 1:So what you're saying? You want a Kansas City Chiefs this thing and get a second team.
Speaker 2:I don't like it, but you know it happens and I would understand completely why it would happen.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, let's go to my team. Okay. Currently ACC, they say probably getting three in A shoe-in of Duke Clemson, louisville, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Well, like you said, North Carolina's still hanging in there.
Speaker 1:Do we say, well, so those are the guaranteed. You know, carolina's kind of on the edge right now. Do we say to those three teams let's go, let Carolina win, let's guarantee a four.
Speaker 2:So it would be too obvious for them to win the tournament. But you might let them get a couple rounds or try to help them. Well, but if you look at the bracket.
Speaker 1:It wouldn't be crazy, because their next round is against Wake Forest, the next round is against Duke. But it's a rivalry game. It's not like saying it's just two random teams.
Speaker 2:But if they beat Wake Forest and play really good against Duke and it stays close they're in right, I think they're in. Okay. So if I'm the commissioner, I'm saying okay.
Speaker 1:So then do you find a fifth? Do you basically reach out and say maybe we let SMU win it?
Speaker 2:Maybe we let, so it can't be egregious. It's got to look like it naturally happened.
Speaker 1:Well, of all conferences, that's the one that it could look more natural, because it's so wild.
Speaker 1:Because, like the SEC, like I said, we're watching the SEC tournament game right now. The SEC is already getting so many teams. It'd be hard for an outsider to break into that at this point, because it's going to be a team that's been awful all year and now all of a sudden they're just going to turn it on. That's going to be tough. So, of all conferences, I feel like the ACC would be an easier one this year because it's not 6-7 deep Right now, there's three, maybe four, I mean.
Speaker 2:I could see North Carolina beat Wake Forest. Tell the officials in that Duke-North Carolina game hey, let's make sure it stays close.
Speaker 1:Cooper's got a foul on the first half Again.
Speaker 2:No, Some egregious stuff, I mean if North Carolina goes into a reason by 20, okay, that was. And you see how bad the officials are. You're going to say wait a minute, but if it's like, hey, let's just keep it close, maybe, but it's not like it'd game.
Speaker 2:we've seen like that, like and then again I'm not going to again. I don't condone this, I'm just saying I would see. I don't want cheating but I would see where it would make sense to some of these conferences. You sound like you're pretty close to cheating no, I'm not saying but I'm, we're questioning it this way when it's a business and you're technically not doing anything wrong to get them there. Um, I wouldn't help a team get to the finals and win, but if a team happened to get there, I'd say, okay, hey, let's.
Speaker 1:Maybe we kind of look at it then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and again, we're not going to make them win, but we're going to make it stay close to where they have a shot to win, maybe something like that. I could see that happen in all conferences. You know it happens Because it's all about money.
Speaker 1:It's a little harder to me. In basketball it's really hard. Can officials control the game A lot? Yes, but the pace of it it's hard for them to fully Like. Football's a bit easier because it's a much slower pace. Like you've got massive breaks in between every single play.
Speaker 2:I don't think you can go in and say, yeah, we're going to make this team win, but you can do some things to at least make sure they're in it to have a shot to win it.
Speaker 1:That's true. That's true, Like I said, to an extent. It's just basketball is a little bit tough. I'm kind of going through the bracket right now and there are so many automatic qualifiers already. Like the tournaments feel like they're the.
Speaker 2:the tournaments feel like they start earlier and earlier, which again I love it I haven't even heard of.
Speaker 1:I love it, oh yeah, but I guarantee I could find probably five or six teams you've never heard of from this list, um, but you don't follow college basketball kind of the extent I do. I don't just never have like that's, it's not been you know how many conferences there are total anymore. No that's I know. I have no idea Again. Most of these conferences, though, are not really going to be competitive across the board.
Speaker 2:Would you have a guess, because I wouldn't even know where to begin 1520 or something, I don't know.
Speaker 1:You're probably talking You've got to think 64 or 68, get in, you've got. I mean, there's probably between 18 and 23 conferences, I think. So Somewhere in that range is my guess. I've never really looked it up because there's so many small conferences.
Speaker 2:So what's your final guess?
Speaker 1:We'll say 19. I have never heard of these. Oh, of course there's going to be a lot you've never heard of 31. 31. Okay, so yeah, but you've got to think about like even one you don't think of. You don't think of Ivy League.
Speaker 2:I literally just read that.
Speaker 1:You don't think of what's the conference? They're making it to the tournament, like every year now Grand Canyon University. They're in a conference that people don't know of. You've got what's funny?
Speaker 2:reading through these, I'm like, yeah, I've heard a lot of these, but you never think of them. But you don't think of those conferences because it's it's teams that, unless you yeah, I've heard of Patriot but I never think about that what's her name that made to the final four?
Speaker 1:was that the patriot? Uh, george mason, that's patriot, yeah, so you always have some little things that you you know about, you have like acc that they're just nobody teams. Shut your mouth speaking of that, all right, I'm gonna say this and I know he's gonna listen because he texted me just a couple days ago. Okay, and I'm gonna say this very clearly my former friend, oh, former oh, we, oh, we're in friendships here. Out of the blue. Here's the text I get.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:He says he leads this off. So it has to be said. I'm like okay, where's this going? He says Lady Gamecocks are going to take it all on the women's side.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Duke men are going to cook everybody on the men's side and then goes on to say this didn't end there, like that could have already been enough to say. And then says Bobby Hurley and Christian Laettner are the goats. Oh my gosh, Like oh my gosh. And this is not Will, Because immediately like we had this discussion with Will.
Speaker 2:He's like that's the best point guard.
Speaker 1:I know who's the Gamecock fan. I say, you know who the gamecock fan is?
Speaker 2:and he said, just they better be lucky that I'm I'm not of age, I'd go out there and beat all of them well. So he was right about the women, right, didn't they win it?
Speaker 1:no, that term has not happened yet I'm talking.
Speaker 2:I was talking about the conference tournament. Sorry, they won the conference tournament they did just win their conference. Yeah, that's what I was talking about, um, but I didn't say duke, duke's not gonna make 16, so he can kick that out of there. They're not even going to make Sweet 16.
Speaker 1:So per the bracket, right now, duke will play either American or St Francis, because they have a 16-playing game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they might squeeze by that one.
Speaker 1:What they have after that currently, which a lot of this is going to change. We're going to see conference tournaments change things. We're going to see automatic qualifiers that will boost people. We few different things. Currently they would play the winner of UConn-Mississippi State.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're done Right there.
Speaker 1:That's it. I think we see Bobby Hurley have a meltdown. I don't think UConn makes it out of the first round. He has been on a different level this year of where his mind is at.
Speaker 2:We talked about that. Once you win, Not only that, he's won two straight. You win two straight. Once you win, not only that, he's one-two straight. You went two straight. Now you just got to win. So it's almost like he can't handle not winning. Now he's losing his mind.
Speaker 1:Obviously he doesn't have the same talent on his team that he did, but I also think that conference got a lot better. That conference is fairly tough this year. Now I'll say this and I've said this to you. Now I'll say this and I've said this to you I don't think Mississippi State's very good. I think that SEC has gotten so blown out of proportion to the point where at one point they're like there's going to be four number ones out of the SEC. It's never going to happen, like just really listen.
Speaker 2:At one time we thought it was going to.
Speaker 1:We could look back, though, and they won't let that happen. Four teams from the same conference being a one just wouldn't make sense, because one of those well, three of those teams would have to lose the conference tournament. So a loss that close shouldn't get your number one, in a way, unless you're so far ahead of everyone else, which has not been the case this year with anyone. I feel the same way as SEC football. The SEC is so overrated. Auburn, good team Alabama, good team Florida, they've kind of been back and forth Tennessee. I don't really think they're going to do much at all.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's clear this up. We've got some hot takes right here.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go on record and say Duke doesn't make it to the Sweet 16.
Speaker 1:And you're going on record, I think the SEC may only have two to three in the Sweet 16. Okay, of the potential 11 they could get Of, like 11 they could get in. I don't see them going very far. Yeah, but again, it's all going to depend on the layout of the bracket. If you get sent out west and you get this cupcake quadrant which, for whatever reason, feels like Duke always gets that easy quadrant, they do and they usually lose and they're still going to lose. Yeah, but if that was to happen, maybe you make it a little bit farther. Again, I think Auburn's very good. I think, regardless of the conference, you put Auburn in, that is a good team Auburn's very good I think, regardless of the conference, you put Auburn in.
Speaker 1:That is a good team, auburn's good. They're going to be very, very tough. They're well coached, they play tough. That's going to be tough.
Speaker 2:I'm going to disagree with you a little bit. Outside of them, I just don't see it. I'm going to disagree with you. I think we see record number SEC schools get to the Sweet 16, lead eight.
Speaker 1:they're going to stay in until they start taking each other out. So I look at it, alabama could lose first round. I say this purely on the thing of Alabama. It's threes Live and die by the three. They're going to live and die by the three. You hit it awesome, you don't. And currently they have them listed as playing the type of team you don't want to play. They've got them listed playing Wofford and most people are going to be like who the heck is Wofford?
Speaker 1:Well, I can tell you, South Carolina, they're the Terriers. That's very fearful right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But that's going to be a team that probably has eight or nine seniors that is going to play hard-nosed basketball because they don't know anything else. They're not going to be very athletic. They're going to slow the game down, hope to try to keep it to like 60-60, and they're just going to play well. That's that type of school. I'm not saying Wofford is for sure that team, but that's the type of school that you're getting stuck with and you don't really want that, not as a first round.
Speaker 2:So I still think, like I said, the SEC is going to have record numbers, but when Alabama plays that way, it feels like you could game plan against that and I don't know that Alabama can put the ball on the floor and beat you so Alabama's super athletic.
Speaker 1:But they keep beating people by shooting the three I would say they're super athletic, but they feel like the early 2000s Duke, except they play better defense. I'll say that they play better defense than the old Duke teams, but we're going to shoot 53s.
Speaker 2:If we make 20, you can't beat us, can't beat us. That that's how I feel about albany, so I just think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1:As annoying as those old duke teams, um no, but those teams and it's funny because we we literally had this kind of discussion today will a buddy of ours who's a huge duke fan, very high on that team this year, who says this is a very different feel of a Duke team, which I, as a Carolina fan, I do agree. I would agree as well. It's not quite that like God's gift to earth type mentality that I feel some of those teams did have.
Speaker 2:Can I say this real quick yeah, hey, Will Kentucky beat Duke.
Speaker 1:So I just want to remind you of that. And Kentucky is will um kentucky beat duke. So I just want to remind you that. And kentucky is not that good of a team no, they're not. So they're not at all. You know, that was actually something I read on espn today. They said you've never seen a team beat as many top 25 teams that we can look and say they have overachieved greatly like they, and they're still not crazy, like they could have took care of the teams that they should have beat now, but would have crazy stats.
Speaker 1:But I'll say this too, though Some of the top 25 teams they beat was like Ole Miss and Mississippi State, who, to me, are not good teams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are not good ball teams. You don't like those SEC teams, so I get that.
Speaker 1:No, I just I think it's just diluted. Some of these teams are like 8 and 10 in the conference and still ranked, and I'm like you can't have 10 losses in conference and still be ranked Like.
Speaker 1:That blows my mind. Because if you want to go back to good conferences like the ACC 12 years ago, 15 years ago, when they're like, hey, they're going to get eight or nine schools in and they'd end up getting like four or five, it's like well hang on. At the time, who, who? Everybody said this is the best college basketball conference there is and you're going to limit them. And now we're like hey, sec, which it doesn't hurt to have much ties to the ESPN, that they do Exactly.
Speaker 1:When ESPN and SEC are holding hands and doing all the stuff they're doing, it helps.
Speaker 2:No other conference really has that. Well, I was looking, I was listening back to our podcast last week because I always listen to them, yeah, um, it's funny because I forget some things we talked about, honestly, it happens. Yeah, you just talk, you don't even realize we kind of mentioned how sec made a big push for coaches and when you really stop and think about it. There are some really good coaches in sec not saying there's not in some other conferences as well, but they kind of loaded up.
Speaker 1:And I don't know how that happened. It's weird to me, though, too, like a what is it Musselman that was at Arkansas before Calipari.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he went out west.
Speaker 1:Fantastic coach. The man wanted to go to USC. I don't think he's done much out there.
Speaker 2:They're awful. Yeah, they are horrible.
Speaker 1:He was doing well. He was doing very well at Arkansas. He is the reason that Arkansas was like, hey, we need to go find another good coach. They felt like they were in a spot that they could do something.
Speaker 2:Couldn't you get well? Maybe it's California, I don't know, but couldn't you get better players out there than you could at Arkansas?
Speaker 1:Fayetteville, arkansas. I mean it just feels like you could for many, many years had some pretty strong basketball teams and they weren't getting you know eight big time recruits but they'd get two or three like really top tier recruits, um, but it's been a few years since we've even seen like a just a legit guy from there. But yeah, I mean USC this year after they actually they're in overtime right now in the conference tournament, but they're 15 and 16 currently. Yeah, like that's that's a horrible year by terms of let's try to go make a tournament like it.
Speaker 2:Just it doesn't work. They're one of those teams that have to win oh yeah, if they don't. If they don't win it, there's no shot when is we talked about being excited about selection sunday?
Speaker 1:that's this sunday, right selection sunday is this coming sunday?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah're going to have to do something with some brackets. We'll have to put out some brackets and maybe give something away to a winner. So the 16th yeah.
Speaker 1:March 16th is Selection Sunday, so be on the lookout on social media. Next week, the SEC tournament final. That means absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe we can come up with a little bracket, challenge or something.
Speaker 1:Let me go ahead and break everybody's heart. We're not giving away a million like ESPN says they will, oh man. Which no one's ever really come that close. But it has to be a perfect record.
Speaker 2:I just want to know can I win? Because if I can win it's going to be a great prize.
Speaker 1:No, you can't win. Oh dang, okay, you're not eligible.
Speaker 2:There goes that idea.
Speaker 1:Well listen, they're going to be there in the lead eight still if they end up getting 10, 10, 10 of 16 is going to be okay I. I think this is good, but if that happens, there's something going on like that's weird yeah, obviously somebody's doing something weird well, I mean I again, I don't think we see which is rare, we don't see it anyways. I don't think we even see two number ones in the Final Four, like there have been a few instances.
Speaker 2:We've seen two, three and four is extremely rare.
Speaker 1:I don't see us getting two.
Speaker 2:I think Auburn is the one, I think they're the one that get there.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel that way. I mean I really do. Now the SEC is going to grab two number ones. They're going to grab probably Auburn and Florida.
Speaker 2:Well, I was going to say, is Auburn, and now, since you brought up Florida, are they locks, even if they get beaten the tournament pretty quickly?
Speaker 1:Like locks for the tournament.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no for number ones.
Speaker 1:I think so. Yeah, I think they're basically going to go off of what they've done this season. If I'm not mistaken, they have double buys in the sec tournament, so they won't even play. That's hard early. That to me is hard because it's you're still not game planning for somebody, because there's so many games ahead of you that you really don't, you don't know you're getting to practice, you're getting to. You know, do your run through kind of stuff because at this point in the season you know what you do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know what you do well with that, even if they lose their first game, it's like the third round.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say the thing is, they did well enough in the regular season.
Speaker 2:They're playing a third-round game, but I didn't know if they could drop to number two, but I feel like Auburn for sure.
Speaker 1:I think Florida could. I think there's still a chance, because I think Florida's the number four of the number ones. I think the way it looks currently, they're kind of that last one to do it kind of the typical let's send you out west. They're kind of the west region number one currently. So I do think that's potential, which right now. They've got Carolina going out there too, they've got Kentucky potentially going out there, so it's going to be a mess. I mean it really is. I love it. It's my favorite time of year.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited for it. So Sunday is one of those. I watch some of the selection stuff of other sports but like this is one, I'll watch it when it comes on until it goes off, like I'll watch every minute.
Speaker 2:You know we've got our big projector stuff. We'll have to put some games up out here and just come out and watch some games. Oh, we'll definitely have that. I think it'd be a blast.
Speaker 1:Well, because we have Cobra coming. Cobra Golf is coming out to 4U Golf this coming Saturday, which is the 15th. 15th, yeah, 15th. We'll have tournament games on then. Yeah, there's conference tournament games, like ACC Finals.
Speaker 2:There'll be finals.
Speaker 1:We'll have some finals of a bunch of them. I think Big 12 is that day, big East is that day. Most of them are that day. I can't remember exactly all of them, but most of them are that day. So, yeah, we'll definitely have games on while we're doing that, now calling for a little bit of rain, so that kind of keeps the projector away.
Speaker 2:We'll put it right here under the pavilion.
Speaker 1:We got plenty of. Tvs We'll make it work. We will make it work, but sticking with basketball. Did you see? Your absolute favorite player of all time went down with an injury LeBron James. Oh my God, he's going to be out for a couple weeks.
Speaker 2:Is this where?
Speaker 1:he got hit in the throat. No this is an ankle. This is an ankle, not the phantom throat chop from the other night. This has nothing to do with that, but he is out currently. I think they're projecting like two weeks, so he really just need some time off, potentially, I mean two weeks it is how LeBron has kind of treated things here lately.
Speaker 2:Are you hurt or are you injured? If you're only taking two weeks out, you're not that injured. That's the way I feel about it.
Speaker 1:So I guess I'm a little bit opposite on that side of it. Again, I'll give LeBron crap more than anybody. But when you're 40 and you've probably destroyed your ankles for what 35 of those years, they just don't kind of have the bounce that they normally would as far as coming back healthy or feeling like you're comfortable playing on it. So yeah, to me it's like maybe two weeks makes sense.
Speaker 2:Maybe they need an ankle doctor on staff and Brian will get that joke there. That's an inside joke.
Speaker 1:Okay, because that one went right over me.
Speaker 2:I'm like what are you talking about? That's for Brian.
Speaker 1:Okay, because I completely missed that one.
Speaker 2:That's a Kentucky thing, because apparently they brought in an ankle doctor at one point and everybody got hurt ankles. Nice yeah.
Speaker 1:Kentucky. Y'all are dumber than I thought. Jeez, I don't think the ankle doctor was working. Nah, he was working, but I think he was working for.
Speaker 2:Auburn or Alabama, or he was working for somebody.
Speaker 1:Maybe I don't know, I don't know. They hire him from Louisville.
Speaker 2:You know that could be it, patino, send him up there, but he won a championship well, kind of got taken away, I'll say he, he won a championship and I remember that one well because a bigger of my buddies when I was living over in shelby.
Speaker 1:Still, we did a a throw in 20 bucks type thing you know, just like you know, between between friends and I won that year you picked Louisville, I did, I did. I had them going all the way. That was a tough Louisville team though.
Speaker 2:So if I'm those buddies, if they're listening, they get their money back. They're calling for their money back. You did not win. No, I would have called you up the day. They took that away In the moment I won.
Speaker 1:That didn't get taken away until years later.
Speaker 2:I would have called you up and said, hey, I need my money back.
Speaker 1:I get this text. You owe me $20. Because it was one of those things, I think I won like 140 or something. There wasn't many of us, it was like seven or eight.
Speaker 2:I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 1:So whoever had the team they beat, I don't remember who.
Speaker 2:Whoever has it, that's where the money goes. Sorry, we're too far past. Just a statue of limitations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to make one.
Speaker 2:I don't think there really is one on it, but I'm making one on it. Anyways, I pulled you completely away from LeBron 12 years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so LeBron's out Yay. I mean it doesn't mean much. I mean he had a few games when Luka first got there, where it's like, hey, it's a resurgence of LeBron. He's playing great defense. There's no video here. Great I use that word great and there was air quotations.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because LeBron's never played great defense, unless it's a chase down block for a highlight. But, he's played with a little more energy, Like he was kind of excited and kind of where the team is going, which was kind of excited and kind of where the team is going, which I completely agree with. I think they're on the right track with that trade. And then it kind of slowly started to slow down a little bit, and then again the man is 40. I'm not saying he should be the same player. He was 10 years ago.
Speaker 2:It's just not going to happen. Did you see the confrontation with Stephen A Smith? Oh my gosh, he got mad about what he said about his son, I guess, or something.
Speaker 1:Listen, you're in the limelight. Get over it.
Speaker 2:And so is your son now.
Speaker 1:You guys are out there in the biggest basketball league in the world. If somebody's going to talk about you, you just have to ignore it, period. It's just the way it is Get over yourself.
Speaker 2:Apparently he got mad because he talked about his son.
Speaker 1:Well, he made the plea of LeBron. You've got to do something, put an end to this. This is ridiculous, which it is it is. I don't agree with much that Stephen A says he probably went about it technically the wrong way, but he didn't say anything wrong. Bronny is not NBAba talent. No, he's not.
Speaker 2:He's just not when you and I think he even said this when you build your son up like that for so long and say, you know, before he ever got to nbl, he's the best player, he's this, he's that, and then when he gets there, he's not.
Speaker 1:Well then his you gotta deal with it. Brawny's mama comes out here in five years he's going to be the level of his daddy. He's like what? 6'2"? Yeah, if he was 6'9" built like his dad, I would say, yeah, he's got a shot, but he's not.
Speaker 2:No, you got to. You know, don't put that on your kids.
Speaker 1:Send him to the college basketball ground. That's a good idea, send him there, send him there, let's see what he does. I think he would struggle.
Speaker 2:I don't even know when did he play at?
Speaker 1:He played at USC, usc, that's right. I do remember that. Now here's the thing. It's a feel-good story. I'll say this Because when he got there, he had the heart issues. There was the whole thing. Like we don't even know if he's going to get and gets drafted. Like I've said this before, like the NBA is the smallest professional draft of every sport. There are not many positions and he got picked. I don't think that's doing him any favors at all?
Speaker 2:None, Because he came in with expectations and he is never going to meet those expectations.
Speaker 1:There's no way he could ever live up to what LeBron is. It's never going to happen. Same thing I'll say about Charlie Woods, tiger's son. You cannot live up to what your parent was. Could you work really hard, potentially have a decent professional career? Absolutely professional career? Absolutely. To me, brawny stays four years averaging 10 and 5, works his way on to the end of a bench or practice squad, makes a team, gets a few minutes yeah, good job. I'm impressed with it. That to me I'm like he worked really hard and got there, didn't use his name, cool. Now that's not the way things work anymore. And again, I'm not even saying that Brawny did this Like I'm not even sitting here thinking that Brawny is the push behind this.
Speaker 1:I 100% think it was LeBron 100%. Yeah, and I'm sure in his mind he thinks he's doing what's best and they can play together, and that's probably not what's going to be best for his son's career, money-wise for him as an individual, yeah, the best thing was for him to go sign that rookie contract, even though where he got drafted it's not a very big contract. But as an individual his dad can get him connections for all kinds of sponsorships and all these things. So, yeah, why wouldn't you do it? Does he stay?
Speaker 2:in the league when LeBron retires? No.
Speaker 1:I don't know that he stays even with him there. I don't know they can, Because at some point JJ Redick as a coach, how do you take that roster spot? Yeah, Like we got to leave somebody in the D-League or we got to yeah, again, it's a good story.
Speaker 1:Brad I mean brad is brad is legitimately a lakers fan, yeah, and I mean I know, listen, we've had that some of the discussion. I know his thoughts kind of on on brawny obviously it's. He doesn't think this is a true guy we're gonna make it with. Now. I will say brad is huge on jj reddick as a coach he's been very impressed with him as a first year.
Speaker 1:Can't really say handling LeBron, because that's not really a possible thing, but handling that roster, some of the adversity that's been there. I mean they've won 40 games already. It's not like they're a bad team.
Speaker 2:Well, I've said it several times, I don't watch the NBA and we've talked about it a lot on here and I see things going on. I see things going on, I see clips and I kind of keep up with it vaguely, just trying to see what's going on. And I find myself occasionally going yeah, I'm going to watch an NBA game and just see if it's different than what I thought. The last time I watched one which hasn't been real long, but I don't follow it and I just can't bring myself to do it.
Speaker 1:I'd rather watch something else right now. It's a very different product and I've said this a couple of times, both on and off podcast. The NBA is not in a good position right now. There's not a good fix. I don't know what they can actually fix it with. Analytics have really played a huge, huge, huge part to where I'd rather you take 10 threes than make five twos, because the potential is it's worth more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:And even then I'm not even saying that Curry fully ruined that or that the Warriors fully ruined it they didn't hurt or, excuse me, they didn't help Like that, definitely didn't help the cause. They showed you can go win a championship by shooting it from deep. I mean, Splash Brothers did their job.
Speaker 2:They did what they were supposed to Well, you know when they were doing it. It was fun to watch, I enjoyed it, but not every team was doing it yet Exactly.
Speaker 1:They were kind of that pioneer of. These guys are going to go score 50 or we're going to lose by 30. But these guys are such good shooters you can't stop us in a seven-game series.
Speaker 2:Well, Will brought up the Celtics today he did and that's what I think. I think there's going to be some other coach out there that says, hey, we don't have shooters, we've got to find another way, and it's going to kind of make that turn again.
Speaker 1:I feel like sports kind of go through these spells at times, turn again. I feel like sports kind of go through these spells at times. I don't think this is where the NBA is going to stay forever. I don't think, the three being the only shot. I mean, we've watched some of these blooper clips of it's been ten possessions, there's been nine threes and only one hit. I don't think we're going to see that.
Speaker 2:But I think something is going to change where it's like.
Speaker 1:Okay, obviously, and will said it really well today. Currently no team has has put a defensive scheme together that actually stops what's happening. As soon as something is figured out and everybody kind of buys into that, then I think we start to see a more well-rounded I don't think they want to.
Speaker 2:I think the league wants the high scoring so.
Speaker 1:So the league of course wants high scoring because they think the fans want that, but the league also doesn't really know what the fans want, because they don't listen.
Speaker 2:So are we speaking for the fans, Like we don't have an NBA team close by?
Speaker 1:Charlotte's our closest. Yeah, they suck.
Speaker 2:But do NBA like, yeah, this is fun, we want to see this.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. I mean as a basketball fan, and I'll say this because whatever the NBA does trickles down everywhere, whether it's in the college, whether it's in the high school, everything it trickles down. The trickle-down effect is huge. So I don't think as a true hardcore basketball is my absolute favorite sport. I don't think it's good for basketball, not as a whole.
Speaker 2:I enjoy college sports way more than professional, especially basketball and football. But I know somebody from Florida area, big Miami Dolphins fan watch NFL, love NFL. Don't watch college football at all.
Speaker 1:And that just blows my mind. Well, so I mean, just look at the TV numbers. There are more people that watch NFL than there is college football. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I think I'm missing something. Maybe if you have a team that you're passionate- about.
Speaker 1:I think to me when it came to the NFL or the NBA, if I lived closer to one where I could feel like I could just go to those games, Be part of it, I could be like kind of in closer to that town and feel like more just like a real part of it. Maybe that would help.
Speaker 2:And all those teams are in usually bigger cities that have a ton of people, so maybe that helps?
Speaker 1:Oh, of course, of course. But I'll say this too Like I was born in Dallas, texas, too, like I was born in dallas, texas, my, my family didn't live there long, when I was a kid, obviously, but all of my uncles, all everybody, they're cowboys fans. I grew up as a cowboys fan, but to me, I'm thinking, my idea of cowboy team is troy eightman, emmett smith michael ervin deon sanders deon. Like I'm thinking of the 90s Cowboys.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that was so good.
Speaker 1:I was a.
Speaker 2:Cowboys fan too. It was such a good team. Probably because of that it was a team for a reason.
Speaker 1:It just was so obviously. If I'm to say I'm a Cowboys fan now, I'm a fan of disappointment, because that's all they are For a long time yeah. And it's really hard to to get behind it. And I will say this I think even for a college basketball it is hard to get behind it. If you don't have a good team, if your team sucks, it's hard to get behind for sure, like like brad.
Speaker 1:Brad doesn't really have a true college football team. He he likes carolina because he's diehard tarheel basketball fan, like just is, so he's gonna support them as a football program as well. He's super excited about belichick, which I am am too. I'm curious to see what's going to happen there. Again, kind of like Patino, he may lose that championship in five years, but there's a good chance he could win one. He's going to get people to come in.
Speaker 2:There's very few colleges that have really good basketball and football teams, even in pro sports.
Speaker 1:I guess Now have you seen the clip going around Auburn trying to say how great their program is the only team to win five games and something like five wins, and football is not good.
Speaker 2:No, You're not even bowl eligible in five wins. I do not think Auburn football is good at all right now. Let's not be stupid here.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I don't like that. Now, to me, the standout is Alabama, and has been for many years. At this point, yeah, but even the football's down right now, like it's not we say down, but they lost three games. Like what I'm saying, though, like if you're going to say we've got really good programs, football has been in contention the past five years, basketball has been top 25 the past five years.
Speaker 2:Like they are doing something well, I can't think of anybody better with both Now, when Saban was still there and their basketball team was getting going they were really on top of those two sports.
Speaker 1:Again, you've got to look at. Alabama has one of the better college basketball coaches. Nate Oates is a fantastic coach. He is, he's good, he's animated, he's great for that program. Would love to have him. I'll just say that, carolina, go make something happen.
Speaker 2:Kentucky tried to get him last year and he wouldn't leave.
Speaker 1:They did. I don't think he's leaving. I think he's very happy there. He doesn't need to leave. Why would you?
Speaker 2:He's got it made, he's got it made, if they can somehow win a championship Again. Usually schools like that. They invest so heavily in football.
Speaker 1:By the way, USC up six in overtime. They're going to go to 500.
Speaker 2:I can't believe he left Arkansas. I mean thank you for leaving, because you took Cal. Well, I was going to say.
Speaker 1:The only thing that makes you happy about it is this Speaking of Kentucky fans were ready to get rid of Cal.
Speaker 2:It was just kind of the time I've got this quote and I hate how Cal is about the conference tournament.
Speaker 1:What's he saying now?
Speaker 2:He's always got something, so they asked him the other day about the conference tournament. Okay, here is his quote and you tell me what you make of this. He says I don't care about the conference tournament which is why we won it so many times, because I could care less. The tournament that matters is the NCAA tournament. Okay, I get, I don't care about the tournament. The tournament matters the NCAA tournament. Why does he throw in that, which is why we won it so many times? Because he's talking about at Kentucky.
Speaker 1:That's the only place he won it. How many times did they win the conference tournament at Kentucky? Because, he was there for for what?
Speaker 2:20? I'd have to look it up. He was there 15 years 15 years, yeah, before he got there. They won it every year it was the Kentucky, but SEC was awful Correct as a whole.
Speaker 1:the SEC was not a very good basketball conference. They put all their stock in football. It's kind of you would talk about acc is the best basketball conference and you would say really, outside of that there's not a bunch of great teams, but every conference would be like one. Like michigan, state in the big 10 was always was fantastic, kansas the big 12, fantastic. You would throw at the time sometimes like a usc or ucla but you'd always say SEC, kentucky, like they could play in any conference. But the rest of that conference was terrible Used to.
Speaker 2:they were the only good team in the SEC.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it was the same thing for Big 12. Kansas has won what feels like a million conference tournaments, but they were the only team that was worth anything.
Speaker 2:Well, so they won it six times with Cal over those 15 years. Okay, now Kentucky won it a ton before that, correct. But again, I understand, I don't care about this tournament, the NCAA one that matters. Is he trying to be smart? Is he trying to throw shots saying, oh, we don't care because that's what we want?
Speaker 1:I just think he's an idiot sometimes. I mean and again it's not even anything against Kyle Perry, I don't really care that much. It's just more like some of the stuff he says is just kind of like I'll say what I want. He's been around long enough. He can get away with anything he wants. I don't think he stays at Arkansas very long. I can't imagine, Like I don't think they're going to kick him out Because he's just going to keep losing.
Speaker 2:I don't think they'll push him, though I don't think that well, I don't know.
Speaker 1:But recruitment-wise, like he's going to figure something out, he's a smart recruiter, Are they?
Speaker 2:bracketology. Are they in? Right now Barely maybe.
Speaker 1:Yes, well, okay, so that. They currently are part of the last four buys so they're just above that.
Speaker 2:He's sitting here saying this tournament don't matter, ncaa tournament matters. If you don't do good in this tournament, you ain't even going to be in the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 1:Well, if they would have lost tonight, which they very closely could have, they only won by four over South Carolina, who is awful. Yeah, if they would have lost tonight, there's a good chance they didn't make it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I just don't understand Cal Very, very good chance.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to go through here. Oh, currently they have them as a 10 seed he has to.
Speaker 2:I'm playing Louisville. Oh, he has to be one of the top coaches to have this downward spiral just fall apart.
Speaker 1:I don't necessarily think that, because I think anywhere you stay too long, that can happen. But who else?
Speaker 2:had that much success. That turned around that quick. You see some coaches kind of fade out over the years but he just lost, you'll see some but I think what's really hard, though, is his whole tenure.
Speaker 1:there was so polarizing. Everyone watched it because they're getting the recruits that you shouldn't get. That, getting the recruits that you shouldn't get. That many top recruits. That's what everybody's looking at saying, and Cal can say whatever he wants. We didn't pay, we didn't do this, everybody did. You're not getting that many guys to come play together. Bledsoe, who went to the NBA, was basically a career backup at Kentucky. You're not going to get a guy like that who's going to go be a star at any one of the other big programs without having some kind of something behind it.
Speaker 2:It was a different time then, so I could get it a little bit more. I get completely what you're saying, but De'Aaron Fox played for Cal. Yeah, he came out a while back and said Cal doesn't care about winning college games, he cares about his players and getting them to the NBA. Yeah, and that's true. And the first five years.
Speaker 1:I mean, he did great at that.
Speaker 2:It was great, nobody's questioning that. First five was great.
Speaker 1:Next five was kind of like oh, I still I don't know what. 50? Yeah, 50. In 15 years 50? That's outrageous.
Speaker 2:But that's my point. So you're right, he only got one championship and, you know, maybe not as many championships to show for it as with the talent that he got. But for a coach to do what he did and get that many players in the NBA and now do what he's doing in Arkansas right now, maybe make the tournament.
Speaker 1:But to me it goes back to the fact he's not a good coach. He's a good recruiter. He's not a good coach. It really seems that way. Yeah, and I said this for a long time you being a Kentucky fan, I see it every single year. I don't really have a dog in the fight, because anytime we come over to your house Saturdays during the week, whatever we watch a basketball game basketball, so I'll watch it, I don't care. I would always say they're not very good like like as a team, not as, like individuals, they have talent, they have tons of talent.
Speaker 1:But watching them you're like, okay, the things that they do on defense, they don't switch well. They don't hedge well, they don't.
Speaker 1:They don't do the things that, really well, coach teams do players like that feel like they don't have to like their athletic ability to make up for it but I think that's their mentality, but I think that's why he just let it be well at one point because, like in alabama, they've got guys athletically that are as much as those guys, but they are so hard-nosed, defense wise, because that's what oats expects like he pushes that at one point, when cal was at his best.
Speaker 2:I think it had a lot to do with the uh coaching staff he had around him, and you know what that's like.
Speaker 1:Any good coach. You find what your weaknesses are and you put somebody that can cover that for you.
Speaker 2:And I think he did a good job of that for a while and when that fell apart.
Speaker 1:Well, but how many of those coaches actually did anything Like? A bunch of them went and got hired, but how many really did much? But I think as a cumulative whole. That was that whole, pro. Like the coaching staff was great together it was, but individually none of them were really that good, you're right.
Speaker 2:Like you have to say now, you have to do all the parts they weren't that. Well, kenny pain was great at kentucky and he went to louisville he did absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1:They were getting beat by division.
Speaker 2:He's actually back on cal staff at arkansas well.
Speaker 1:But that just kind of goes like within any job and any, any type of career, whether it's basketball related or whatever, everyone's always looking for that advancement, everybody's always going. But there's nothing wrong with saying I'm good, like I'm, at a spot, that I'm, I'm really good at this job. I'm probably not gonna be better by being the head of something else. I'm just not good at that.
Speaker 2:Very few people can do that, though A lot of them, I think, want to try. I think they think, well, I've done this, so well, I could do a head coach You're describing Huber Davis. Never been a head coach, I told you, but I said it.
Speaker 1:It too, though. He's a fantastic assistant, but you don't like him. I don't.
Speaker 2:He might get you in the tournament.
Speaker 1:That doesn't mean anything to me. So I mean, with this week of an ACC, like With this week of the ACC, there should have been no question. Oh.
Speaker 2:I agree with that. That we should make it. Is there anything they could do in the tournament that changed your mind on him, or is it just?
Speaker 1:No, they're a bad team. They're just a bad team this year.
Speaker 2:So if they got lucky and made it to the Elite, Eight.
Speaker 1:He didn't recruit well last year, year before. He didn't set us up for when, hey, all these guys leave, we're going to lose a lot. He didn't set us up for that. So this team as a whole, this Carolina team, although playing much better, there's been some lineup tweaks. There's been some things that have really really made this team look better.
Speaker 2:That's good coaching right there, changing lineups. Tweaks that's Cal's words. Tweaks yeah, I'm with TB Davis, let's go.
Speaker 1:We should have done that.
Speaker 2:Don't bring him to Kentucky, but leave him in North Carolina.
Speaker 1:We should have done that 15 games ago. That's a good argument. It almost feels like it's too little, too late, because if you had done it early enough and we showed these signs of life, we wouldn't be fighting to get in. We would be a five or a six just waiting to get there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because being a five or a, six this year would not be hard.
Speaker 1:That middle of the pack is not hard to get. This year All programs have those down years.
Speaker 2:Oh, of course, Things happen, of course.
Speaker 1:Things happen. Of course I'm not expecting Carolina to be a national contender every single year. That's not realistic for anyone.
Speaker 2:We know this, but most, most, most. There's few programs that should be, and North Carolina is one of them.
Speaker 1:Because North Carolina is a name To me for Carolina. If you don't at least make Sweet 16, you failed Like majorly failed.
Speaker 2:North Carolina is one of those programs, like we've talked about Kentucky, kansas. There's some other.
Speaker 1:Kentucky, kansas, duke, carolina, you have the name. Anymore, we'd throw UConn in there, but you have the name.
Speaker 2:So if you just put a good coach with it, you've got a combination that's hard to beat. You can get any player you want you've got the funding.
Speaker 1:You've got everything, which. There's two names that that jump out to me when we start saying good coaches that I feel like have been there for literally forever and it amazes me they didn't go anywhere else. And the first one I'll throw out because much more well-known tom iso, michigan state. Yeah, fantastic, fantastic coach.
Speaker 2:He's done some stuff with Michigan State.
Speaker 1:He's done stuff with Michigan State that they should not have done. He is just a really really good coach.
Speaker 2:Do you think he sits there and says I want to go try one of these big programs? Apparently not, because he hasn't went.
Speaker 1:That is a big program. When it comes to basketball, Michigan State's a well-known that's true. They've had a lot of pro potential.
Speaker 2:I don't put it with those tiers, but they're right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah they're definitely up there.
Speaker 2:To me it's one of the lower ones that you're like.
Speaker 1:Okay, I see putting them in there, but they're a top, like every year, they're just there. And then the other one to me is few at Gonzaga Like what he's done there.
Speaker 2:He's done good. Now there's one other one I think of and they're hit and miss is Scott Drew at Baylor.
Speaker 1:I kind of just feel like I think of his dad more than.
Speaker 2:I think of him. Okay, I get that.
Speaker 1:But then his brother is at Grand Canyon and they're making the tournament like every year now.
Speaker 1:I mean it runs in the family. They're good coaches, but he's at Baylor. Baylor's awful this year. They've struggled. That's why I say they're kind of just up and down. But he's also had some really good teams, so for him it made no sense that he didn't go to Kentucky. He's one of those that I'm like I'm actually really surprised he didn't, because it just felt weird. I know he's like I'm really tied to Roots and Texas and all these things, but it's Kentucky calling it's a hard program to say I don't think so.
Speaker 2:At Gonzaga and Michigan State, both. I think that's why those coaches are still there, because they get in the community and they're just the type of guys that just like being there and they don't want to change everything. Some people don't like change.
Speaker 1:So I'll take back my previous statement. Baylor's not awful. They're not good 17-13.
Speaker 2:They're not good, but they're not awful. They're not doing anything that you're like. Oh wow, they're a great team.
Speaker 1:No, they're 7th in the Big 12. It's not a great basketball conference. This year it's slightly better in certain ways. Iowa State's been solid all year. Houston is the number one. I mean they're getting one of the number one seeds. Texas Tech's solid, but as a whole it's just not a really great conference.
Speaker 2:On one hand I want to say you're right, he's crazy for not going to Kentucky. I kind of think, okay, if you ain't going to Kentucky, then you're at Baylor for life Probably.
Speaker 1:But how much of that would have been a coach saying I how much of that would have been a coach saying I don't want to follow Cal, regardless of how bad he fell off at the end. I do think, though, that's big shoes to fill for anybody. For Pope Like it's big shoes.
Speaker 2:Do you think that played a part in North Carolina, Like why they had to get Hubert Davis? I?
Speaker 1:mean, I know they like hiring within. I don't think so, because Carolina is, we only hire Carolina.
Speaker 2:It's just different If they wanted a big name. I think if they got rid of Hubert Davis they could go get one now a lot easier than if they had tried to follow Williams.
Speaker 1:And the reason I say I don't think so is because they still have the mentality it's got to be Carolina who's out there.
Speaker 2:They're going to have to change that.
Speaker 1:I agree, but I said that when. So there was a point in time. Actually, williams won a championship. After the time I was saying, hey, it's about time, it's about time he goes. He came and won a championship, very grateful for that, but I still think he maybe stayed a hair long.
Speaker 2:When was their last championship? Was that 17? Yeah, okay, so you've been saying it for a while then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there was a few times I was like a long time, maybe we look at, let's see what's out there is that gonna push him out, but he, he's the type that, like you, very easily let him just run your basketball program.
Speaker 1:He's great for the game he's he's very smart, he's good at it. But it was kind of just. It almost felt like certain things were starting to pass him by. You know, we we for a while didn't want to do um the one and dones, we didn't, you know, want to do some of those things. We had teams that way underperformed and then some teams way overperformed.
Speaker 2:So yeah, Duke does the same thing with hiring. Of course, they didn't need a coach for years. They had the same coach for like 50 years. But is that a? And I'll ask you about North Carolina because you're a Carolina fan Is that a? We're a big enough program. If we get a decent coach, we can make you. We don't need the coach to make us Kind of like just kind of thinking too high of yourself maybe. I think.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of times people are kind of overlooking what Kay did with Shire. He put Shire on staff for a reason and groomed him like he he was setting him up to then basically be the next me is kind of his, his idea. I don't feel like we ever saw that with hubert. Like hubert was the guy in the background, it's like we know who he is. He's a very well-known guy. He's a fantastic assistant, always has been assistant, always will be assistant. And then all of a sudden we hired him as a head.
Speaker 2:It just felt very did he change any of the staff really, or did he just kind of take William's staff?
Speaker 1:No it was kind of just hey, everybody slide up a spot, we're all going to move over a chair. That's kind of what it felt like. I mean, I get the mentality.
Speaker 2:It was very little things that changed.
Speaker 1:I get the mentality because you know you don't have to bring in a whole new staff. No, I don't think you've got to make it your own in a way.
Speaker 2:No, but if you brought in a whole new coach, he's bringing in his whole new staff, correct? So you kind of had some continuity by doing that.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, though, you're going into a period where you're getting ready to lose a lot, the old teams that you had that were making big runs. Those guys are graduating, those guys are leaving, and for Roy Williams it's easy to recruit, and for Roy Williams it's easy to recruit. I'm Roy Williams. I walk into your house or give you a phone call, you know who I am and you understand what I've done.
Speaker 2:So it sounds like Cooper Davis has never done that, but it sounds like the Williams name got recruits more than the North Carolina name did.
Speaker 1:No, I think it's a tandem thing.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I think that's a tandem thing yeah. Like, obviously Roy Williams is a probably historical coach in the game of basketball. Just, he was fantastic. So if you say, hey, I'm Roy Williams with the North Carolina Tar Heels, those things- together.
Speaker 2:It's that pairing. That's a big thing. Yeah, I agree, so it's the same thing.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm Coach K with Duke Whoa Okay.
Speaker 2:Let's listen for a minute.
Speaker 1:And I'll say Bill Self same way. Bill Self with Kansas, been there a long time, he's shown what he can do. Tom Izzo, michigan State, you're gonna listen? It's just those things are such a tandem thing where, like for Cal Perry, him saying I'm Cal Perry with Kentucky or I'm Cal Perry with Arkansas, I think makes no difference, purely on the fact of we've seen what he does. He puts guys in the pros, yeah, doesn't care, like you said it.
Speaker 2:He doesn't care about the other. He puts guys pros, but I still think, saying Kentucky made a difference, but he did it in Memphis.
Speaker 1:He did it with UMass. I mean, he's done it wherever he's been.
Speaker 2:And he's went really far with them. But it was all about I'm going to get you guys to the next level. He did it everywhere. Cal's very arrogant and he thought it was him the whole time. He thought if I leave, kentucky's going to go down and they're only here for me. All these programs. They've been around for years.
Speaker 1:They can overcome a coach that with Kentucky. Mark Pope is a good coach. He was good at BYU. He could come out next year and only win 10 games. Oh, he could. I'm not saying that's what they're going to do. He could, you're right, but he doesn't have a typical Kentucky lineup. He doesn't have some studs oh, I don't think he ever will. Well, but that's what I worry about. The SEC is not what it used to be. He might get a couple because of Kentucky.
Speaker 1:If the SEC pre-cow Pope could do what he's doing and be fine, no issue. But I think the SEC is on another level as far as how they're recruiting those top few teams. I don't think across the board, but I think currently Florida's doing a great job, alabama's doing a great job, auburn's doing a great job, tennessee, so I think there's five teams there that you are now having to really compete with. So I think Pope's going to have to do more.
Speaker 1:But he's never been in a program he's needed to. When you're at BYU, you don't need the same type of recruits as you do as Kentucky, it's just a different level, very different level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if he doesn't get some talent, at least a couple guys every year, I think it'll be hard. But I think that's where Kentucky comes in. He's always going to have talent, but I think he needs studs, like you're going to need some studs, just the way it is, I think every team needs at least one guy who's going to go to the NBA and that you can give him the ball and go get you a basket when you need it. Like 350 teams need that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not possible. No, to be a good team you need that star player.
Speaker 2:So that's hard to say, because Carolina won championships without that guy Like they did it with five upperclassmen that were just good college basketball players when how long ago they did it in 17.
Speaker 1:Well.
Speaker 2:I was going to say 17 might have been.
Speaker 1:They did it in 17, and, honestly, that 2009 team all those teams sent guys to the pros. They didn't last. They weren't there long, like several of the teams that we've had that have won championships. Those were not big-time NBA guys. They were good college basketball players, and that was as far as they were going to make it.
Speaker 1:Hansborough was an unbelievable college basketball player, College Statistically. He has all kinds of stuff. Every fan can look and say that man cannot play in the NBA. He doesn't have the skill set for it. He didn't last long, Went up there for a few years, bounced around, was out.
Speaker 1:That was expected. So those teams did do some of that, some Duke teams did some of that, and then they made the switch of hey, we're good with one and dones. They started getting all these big-time recruits. And the switch of hey, we're good with one and dones. They started getting all these big time recruits. And I'll say this coach cow, one of the best coaches ever live, can't stand that. He's a dude guy, obviously. But coach k, coach k. Sorry, you're talking about cow so much. Coach k, yeah, I definitely don't think cow's one of the best coaches.
Speaker 1:Uh, coach k, one of the better coaches for an old hall of famer, I'm gonna throw it for the, for an old guy to make the switch that he made where it's like, I refuse to want it done. Man, that's the way it's going, let's do it. And he did it well that might good.
Speaker 2:That might have been the start of cows downfall kentucky when k started competing for those players with him, maybe because kentucky didn't get all of them at that point well, I mean, so you go back and look John Walsh from North Carolina.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, and he chose not to go to both Duke and Carolina, who he had offers from. It's right down the road, yep. So it's like, why would you go over there?
Speaker 2:That first five years Kyle got whoever he wanted, and then Kay started competing.
Speaker 1:When you look at Jabari Parker, kyrie Irving, I mean they did it. What's the name of the Pelicans? Big man Zion, sorry.
Speaker 2:Zion. He's the first one I thought of, because he was.
Speaker 1:Zion. Yeah, well, actually that Zion team. They had three of them Reddish and the.
Speaker 2:Kid from Canada. Yeah, I can't think of his name Barrett Barrett, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, JT Barrett. Yeah, so they did it with three that year and it was like that's unheard of Do it with three.
Speaker 2:JT Barrett, RJ Barrett, RJ Barrett yeah, yeah, I was like I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1:There's another one, no, but that's whenmson hire his dad as an assistant. I think, so and then it was like, hey, I'm going to Duke. And he got fired. He didn't last.
Speaker 2:So that's kind of when that started happening, when Cal was doing good, he got all the players because nobody wanted him. Nobody else wanted to do what he'd done.
Speaker 1:Very few were Like you saw, like Texas, and he was going pro out of high school. If they let him, they just weren't gonna let you. Yeah, which, what's your thought on that? Do you are you do you like that rule, or are you like, if they want to do it, let them, let them do it? You know?
Speaker 2:how I feel about all this stuff I, I do, but I'm just curious, um it. We should treat it just like we do kids. That's not in college, not school. If you want to go get a job, go get a job. If you want to go to the military, go to the military. If you want to go to school, go to school. Do what you want. If you're good enough to do that, go do it.
Speaker 1:And if you fail for me I think I look at it in. There's been quite a few instances of really good players like obviously the standouts kobe, kevin garnett, like those are two guys that hall of fame superstars. That's not the common out of high school. There's been a lot of guys that really had good, really good nba careers that went straight straight there so let me ask you this part though, because this is where it's going to get complicated.
Speaker 2:You know, in college basketball you know, once you go to nba, play professional, you can't play college correct. But now college ain't amateur anymore, so would you be okay? If a kid tries the NBA for a year, fails, doesn't make a team. Whatever says I'm going to college. No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1:I think you should.
Speaker 2:I don't think so, because if you look at what, if you don't make the team Like what if you don't even get drafted in a team?
Speaker 1:Can you then so to me, if you have like, like with any other sport, if you declare yourself a pro, because at that point you were saying I'm now eligible to be a pro, I'm calling myself a pro, you can't go backwards.
Speaker 2:And every sport does that, but that was because you had amateur status. I don't think anybody's amateur anymore. Everybody's making money.
Speaker 1:No, but I mean, other sports have done it that way and there's just a limit on how much you can make. You know a limit on how much you can make like.
Speaker 2:I look, you know baseball, they move up and down through their a's and but those are those are still professional.
Speaker 1:That's not. You were not an. I agree with that. Like that's not.
Speaker 2:When you were going between double a triple a, you were professional so when you get into baseball and you, even if you're single a team, yeah you cannot go back to college right like you're.
Speaker 1:You're professional yeah, you're, you're out.
Speaker 2:I guess I'm saying, if you never went to college to begin with and you just went in, got in with a single, a team didn't work out.
Speaker 1:Okay, I want to go you can play a different sport okay, but you can't play college baseball.
Speaker 2:Got you okay?
Speaker 1:no see, I don't well, because I mean, you look at jr smith, jr smith won championship in the nba went back to college. Playing was playing collegiate golf. That's right. So you could do a different sport.
Speaker 2:You just can't do that sport.
Speaker 1:So those guys are going to have college eligibility, but it can't be for that sport.
Speaker 2:See, I wouldn't have a problem with it because of what sports is becoming Now I understand there's a lot of things involved.
Speaker 1:Here's my issue If you are 18 years old, you go to the NBA. They think you're going to do something. You don't. You decide at 20, I'm going to go to college. You spent two years with an advantage that nobody else has. You are training against people that no matter who you go play in college, they're not good enough.
Speaker 2:Once you commit pro, you can go get in the G League, you can go overseas.
Speaker 1:There are some other options, but those are still backwards.
Speaker 2:That's crazy talk. You can go get in the G League, you can go overseas, so there's some other options.
Speaker 1:But those are still pro. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, because, like baseball, like I said, you can go through the rankings. If you made it to the NBA, somebody, somewhere will take you In this world. For sure, there are so many teams over there that you can make a team somewhere.
Speaker 2:You can do it. They've tried this G League thing and I don't think it's ever going to work. College basketball almost feels like that minor league.
Speaker 1:And again, it's not because once you go there you can't go back. The G League's really hard, because they treat it like the NBA without the funding of the NBA. These guys aren't making the money that they could really devote all that time to.
Speaker 2:To me, G League basketball should be AAA baseball. That's what it should be.
Speaker 1:Well so, but to me baseball's the only one that does a good minor league.
Speaker 2:They do really good.
Speaker 1:They're the only thing that really Like they call it a farm system for a reason. They develop players, much, smaller rosters much. It's much harder, I think, to make it in.
Speaker 2:Well, it's that way, football, every other sport, baseball just does it so much better than every other sport.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but football doesn't have a minor oh, I know, that's what I'm saying Like they, which, again, I don't know how you would.
Speaker 2:It's the same thing for NBA, though play in the league, and if you don't make it, you don't make it. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1:I mean when baseball kind of takes you in and says we're going to get you there. The minors at the European leagues yeah, because we've seen some guys go over there and then end up making teams after it. I mean Brandon Jennings is one of those guys that was playing in Europe and came and was a multiple-time NBA All-Star. I mean he showed you could do it. I mean there's a lot of skill development that happens over there because they do a lot of different things. It's very, very high-quality basketball Not saying it's as athletic or as stuff over there, but there's a lot of really good basketball played over there. There's a lot of really bad basketball played over there. There's some of these leagues over in the Philippines that you're not allowed to be over a certain height, which blows my mind You're not allowed to be over a certain height, which blows my mind.
Speaker 2:But you're kind of right. I mean, if you made it to the NBA, you can go anywhere, like there's somewhere.
Speaker 1:Someone will say I'll take a shot on you. They just will.
Speaker 2:We've been really heavy basketball. We have been and I've been sitting on this very random question, so I just want to throw this random out here. Okay, roll with it. I went into a restaurant and I think it's better now we have a local restaurant. But you know how you get those ratings from, like the health department or whoever does that. I don't know who does that.
Speaker 1:They put the numbers yeah, it's health department okay, and you typically see 95 96 well, I'll tell you this locally, it always feels like it's really hard to get a low number. It is like, locally, it's very, really hard to get a low number. It is Like, locally, it's very, very hard to get that low number.
Speaker 2:Well, this has been a little bit back, not too far.
Speaker 1:Obviously not naming the restaurant yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to name the restaurant and I went there and I want to say it was low 80s, maybe even 80. Okay, and you still ate there and I still ate there.
Speaker 1:Oh my.
Speaker 2:So I think it has since gone up, because I was there not too long ago and I went there a few times after that I'm trying to think where you could have gone. I went there a few times after that. I have a couple in my mind, but I don't know. I brought lunch out here before and it was close by here, pretty quick place. Okay, yeah, I got you, I got you yeah, I mean, I could see it.
Speaker 1:Yes, I could see it.
Speaker 2:So that brought up a point. Because, yeah, because when I saw it my first thought was whoa do I want to hear? And I mean it went, I don't care, whatever. So but now here's the thing. Have you ever had food poisoning? You've ate there too, because I brought some. I don't like that place though no, I know you don't, but you brought you've ate some things from but look at what I eat.
Speaker 1:I know the stuff that I eat from there is you. You couldn't get sick from that.
Speaker 2:I would the other stuff you could get sick from but, but it made me think when you start thinking about ingredients because if we had talked about this conversation before that I would have said, yeah, I gotta, there's a number that I'm not eating there, but maybe there's.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm sure there's still a number. So for you I'm really surprised, just because I know how you are with germs and dirt. I am it's just kind of how you always have been. So that surprises me a lot Does that bother you. Well, I was going to tell you I've been somewhere, that I saw an 8 as the first number and left.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was, I think it was like an 88 and I was like nope, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2:I don't know if this was all the way down to 80 or if it was like 84. It was low 80s. If it wasn't all the way down to 80.
Speaker 1:I'll say this too Anybody that's been in a restaurant and you kind of understand it. I looked that up one day. It five or six points, still in the 90s, but it dropped pretty low from there, typically pretty high. I was like man, that's weird, because I feel like they usually do a pretty good job. And so their little card that says the letter and the number and all that stuff, well, there's a website on the bottom you can actually go search the restaurant and see what happened in that restaurant to give them this grade.
Speaker 2:Oh, I wish I'd known that.
Speaker 1:So then, you can go view this and it's for the entire state.
Speaker 2:I probably didn't want to know at that point.
Speaker 1:Probably don't, but so this one. One of the things was they check the not quite pH level, but basically the level of the bucket that you basically clean things with, and if it's not a high enough particle percentage you lose points. And it was like they were off by 0.0 something and I'm like, okay, not a huge thing. Like obviously I want you to be clean. I don't I'm not saying that's okay, but like that could have been, you put a hair too much water in it that day, like and it's about the day they come to correct If.
Speaker 1:If somebody goes in there and destroys your bathroom right before they get there and you don't know about it, you lose some points. There's some things that can happen, that I can kind of push it past Now. I will say that got me curious and I just started clicking on random restaurants. That was a bad idea, does it? There's a few places that weren't close by that I'm like.
Speaker 2:I will really love numbers.
Speaker 1:Like 70s, oh my gosh. And it was like when they really talked about it. It was talking about like certain grills and certain things that we we get deducted like quite a few points because of residue on grill, like basically, the way they made it sound it was like really thick old residue on a grill that should not be there. So and like that to me I couldn't do.
Speaker 2:I like this type of food and this place kind of specializes in in their. Do I like this type of food and this place kind of specializes in in their. Yes, you know their type of food okay, like most restaurants do, obviously, but I thought how, how much can they mess it up, like you know?
Speaker 1:like, and I'm hoping it's a little have you ever had food poisoning? I like legit full-on. I couldn't stop it. If you want, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've had some food that's kind of made me sick.
Speaker 1:Makes you feel uneasy, but it never like full on.
Speaker 2:Well, no, I've had some that I've physically gotten sick from Okay, but after that I kind of start feeling better. So I don't know if it's necessarily a.
Speaker 1:So there is a restaurant I've been to. I've gotten it from twice.
Speaker 2:Oh, gotten it from twice. Oh, why do you keep going there? I don't know, is it?
Speaker 1:local. I'm about to ask you later. Well, so it happened once local, okay, and then it happened once elsewhere. But I've also seen the changes they've made in the years since I'm like, I'm okay with it either, like it was very different than, but it's one of those like forcibly, like just it feels like it's coming from your soul. At that point it's from, and no matter how many times you do it, you don't feel well and it just keeps going, going, going until finally, like your body, just have nothing left well, you said you've walked away from restaurants.
Speaker 2:With that now I don't know if that was like your favorite restaurant if it's one you kind of don't care about, but it like think of your favorite restaurant if it's an eight are leaving. I don't know that I can think of my favorite restaurant.
Speaker 1:I don't know I like a lot of different places because there's I'm more of like a certain type of food than I'm actually a restaurant.
Speaker 2:But if you're just like, hey, I'm craving this, and you get to the door and it's lunch, you're starving, like I need some food.
Speaker 1:But hang on, what's weird about that? This is also coming from someone that if I go to a gas station and I'm hungry and they got a good looking roller dog, I'm probably going to eat it. Like that's a very weird thing to say. I make those occasionally, but not a lot, but which is hard because, like there's especially so many of our local gas stations, you've got Hunt Brothers pizza. Oh, I love them. Like Hunt Brothers is great.
Speaker 2:Those chunks or hunks of pizza yeah, I love those. So like I've eaten that a bunch, but that's very different, though at the same time, if they put a rating on those roller hot dogs, that might have been around 80. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, but if you really look at, roller hot dogs like those are not quality Like this, is not like high-quality food, Like a roller hot dog might have been the same about it, though, because this isn't supposed to have this high dollar food.
Speaker 2:Well, this place I went, wasn't it ain't no high dollar I understand that, because I know what you're talking about now.
Speaker 1:But but even then it's, it's the idea of this is the only thing you guys do you only do food.
Speaker 2:You get food from a convenience store they don't do just that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, they do so many things, yeah, and really that to me is more like there's been a lot of hands around, there's been a lot of this, a lot of that, like that's where the gas station kind of comes into it. But oh, don't get me wrong, like traveling, yeah, I mean there's some gas stations that make fantastic food, like Cheats and QT, like Bucky's. Bucky's has fantastic barbecue sandwiches. That is a real, that's a good call.
Speaker 2:I love the barbecue sandwiches. I haven't got them a lot because we don't have one real over here. No, we don't have one. Close, but traveling.
Speaker 1:No, but I'll say this though Bucky's is stupid, I don't like it, it's overkill Like it's. It is a Walmart of gas stations. It is.
Speaker 2:It's just too much.
Speaker 1:There's a lot going on there, Like because to me, like if I'm going to a gas station, if I'm getting gas or not, whatever, going to get a drink, I kind of like it to just be like an in and out kind of quick experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The drinks are are not close to the door. At Buc-ee's you have to go through a million aisles. No, if you're going to Buc-ee's.
Speaker 2:It's an experience. You're not just a quick, let me grab some gas.
Speaker 1:No, you're going to do it for, especially for us, because we don't have one close. It's an experience. You're going to just kind of do the whole thing.
Speaker 2:I think that's helped them get popular because of the I don't know, I want to go check it out.
Speaker 1:It really is. But the problem is like if you're going there and you actually have to get gas, good luck. Like there's a hundred pumps, but it's just, it's so. It is so hectic.
Speaker 2:I don't like that there's so many pumps and I feel like they are always full. Yeah, like I don't understand. Yeah, cause you got your local gas station with 10 pumps and half of them are empty every time you pull in, and half of them are empty every time you pull in Correct, and maybe it's the store that's bringing it.
Speaker 1:It's hard here because where we live we don't have interstates close by. True, you have to drive 20 minutes, basically, to the closest interstate, so we're not really seeing that all the time, which, anytime I go over there, those gas stations always seem a little busier too, that's true, but the amount of people that travel interstate system is ridiculous, and those are always on big interstate.
Speaker 2:I'd be okay getting a bucky's, even if it's 20 minutes from here. Um, just, I'm gonna get some barbecue occasionally. I'd be okay with that I do love barbecue that's that's one of my just easy go gosh.
Speaker 1:Y'all killed me, y'all were talking you and will start talking about it earlier I know, and I didn't get it for dinner, that's all I've thought about, like, if they were open right now I would go go get some. You know, I'm kind of thinking that too. They're not. I've already looked, they're not open.
Speaker 2:So we've got a couple barbecue restaurants here in town. One of them you know neither one of them is Caralot 4. The other one is really good, but I want that, not fast food, but kind of a quicker like running the letting Bucky's grab it. Isn't it Dairy Queen that has a pretty good one, which we don't have Dairy Queen close by either they?
Speaker 1:used to have a pretty good one.
Speaker 2:I want that kind of because I don't love the one at Cookout. Is that what it is?
Speaker 1:it's okay. No, that's a very basic one. It's different. It's a little different, though it's a very dry barbecue, it's more just like just a meat, where a lot of the barbecue.
Speaker 2:I wish we had somewhere like just a run-through, drive-through type place, or even a gas station. I'll take one of our gas stations. No, but you know what I want? What's that? Fazoli's? Oh my gosh, don't get me started. So I had Olive Garden last night for dinner. So that was pretty good.
Speaker 1:But what I love about it, I love Alfredo. That's one of my go-to foods. If you could say, right, I've got a restaurant and I'm gonna give you an eight ounce sirloin and like a half order of chicken fettuccine, alfredo, I'll go there every time you can do that olive garden.
Speaker 2:Oh, my daughter does it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know you can, but I'm just like if that was like an easier thing, you're right because I think about it, because fazoli's is basically fast food of italian, like it's just you go in there, you order, you can Well, they have a drive-thru.
Speaker 2:It's such a quick. Where I'm from, they have a drive-thru.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's such a quick process and if you've never really heard of Azoli's which it's not obviously across the country the world's best breadsticks.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, the breadsticks are worth going for. Man, now I want some breadsticks.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:When there I never could pick what I wanted.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know what I'm getting into, so.
Speaker 2:I got the classic sampler. I remember that it had the fettuccine, the lasagna and the spaghetti and the breadsticks.
Speaker 1:How are this bunch of fat people talking about food tonight? I am kind of getting hungry when we get done here.
Speaker 2:we're going to have to find something Every time we have some kind of food discussion.
Speaker 1:That's what happens.
Speaker 2:You're like, yeah, I happen, but I I do want to go back to something. I thought of a mango, because, you're right, I am kind of clean person, especially when it comes to cooking is.
Speaker 1:Is there a number for you?
Speaker 2:obviously it was fairly low for that place and you still did, I thought there was I don't know um, but even when I cook at home, if I'm cooking steaks or whatever, like, I wash my hands a bunch. I wash you know a lot of things going on. There's one thing that I enjoy doing and I love the food that's this way, but it bothers me is grilling. Why is that? Your grill is not that clean, like, yeah, you clean it, you scrape it. You know, I even have other pans that I put on top of the grill. I don't really lay anything on the grill typically.
Speaker 1:So you don't actually put it on the grate of the grill.
Speaker 2:Not typically Some hot dogs I might throw up on and stuff, just because the cleaning's been, that's so weird, but your grill is sitting outside. You don't like use soap and water or nothing and clean it. You scrape it off with this big brush and just throw more stuff over it.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing for me when I grill which I don't do much because we don't really have just a great setup at the house currently but when I was doing a lot of grilling for some of the camps and stuff that I was doing using a blackstone, I cleaned the crap out of a blackstone.
Speaker 2:So I had one of those. I didn't like it because it was too much trying to keep clean and I felt like I could never get it cleaned up and sanitized.
Speaker 1:So I just figured out the process and it was like I could get that thing just good, really easy, but it still ain't.
Speaker 2:Like it's sitting outside, like all the germs and all the dust.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, though, most of the outside is going to be like dust that goes, but then as soon as you introduce heat, it's killing most of that stuff. So it's very different. It's not the same reason, like when you have a boil water advisory, which a bunch of our area had after hurricanes. After the hurricane you can still drink it, you can still use it, but you've got to boil out all the crap first.
Speaker 2:It's still, I don't know, I do first, I, it's still, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I, I do it and but again, I don't usually put me directly on it. Oh, I'm going straight on. Give me the grill marks.
Speaker 2:Give me everything. Oh, I can still get grill marks, because I've got certain plates I can put on it that they get hot, like these little metal things. You put on it and they'll get hot. That's so much more work. No, because then you can take it inside and throw the dishwasher and you really don't have nothing left on the grill it.
Speaker 1:That's like using so many extra and my food's not actually touching the grill. So many extra. It's like using extra plates, like it's just so much extra, but the grill. It's nasty.
Speaker 2:Clean it. You can clean the grill really well. I used to take the grates out and literally take like Dawn and stuff and scrub them and spray them down and then put them back in, and yet you went. Even when it's technically clean, it's absolute crap. But they bake the product so by your standard, that's okay, cooking the product to an extent.
Speaker 1:But if that product is, 100 years old, like probably most of that stuff is. Yeah, that could be a problem, but even then, though, like if you're getting it fresh is one thing, most of those aren't that fresh.
Speaker 2:You know what? Oh God, never mind, I was going to say something.
Speaker 1:I know I'm trying not to go too close with it, because I'm not trying to.
Speaker 2:I found a trick for that. I found a trick for that Because I started ordering my food there ahead of time online.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there is some ways. But even then, though, Especially if you make something custom. But if you don't store the products correctly yeah, you don't store the products correctly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it doesn't matter how much you cook it, like you're not getting some of that bacteria out, it's just no you. I honestly thought when I saw it I would be like, no, I can't do that. But I walked to the door it.
Speaker 1:Does it actually like? Really surprised me for you, because you're weird about that I went inside.
Speaker 2:It's not a drive-thru, I went inside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I saw the door. Why is that not a drive-thru? Why do they?
Speaker 2:a lot of them do, don't they? I've never seen one that does. You know? You're right, we're fixing to give this away. I know, I know. I'm trying not to the number's up, so it has gotten better apparently. Congrats guys. Yeah, is it still in the 80s? It's like 86. I don't know, I think it's in the. It was like lunchtime. I really wanted it. I walked to the door. God, I really want to say something.
Speaker 1:I can tell you this there has never once in my life been that I've craved that place.
Speaker 2:Never, once I like it God, again it's, I will spend more money to go to another place that has the same stuff, but you have to wait. I don't care Usually for that, and that's what I didn't want in that moment. Sometimes I just want it now.
Speaker 1:So if I'm out here working and I order it, by the time I get there it's ready Even at the next closest one.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think I was on my way out here and just said I'm going to run through, drive through, and then I went.
Speaker 1:oh, I kind of want that and I didn't really have time to wait. I've always hated that place Always have I just never have been a fan of that place.
Speaker 2:So for me there's there's a couple of restaurants. That's one of them, and McDonald's is another one. I would do all day long for lunch, but it's not a dinner place to me, Like I don't want it for dinner.
Speaker 1:So just grabbing, like a cheeseburger and fried meal or whatever. You don't know I get it, but uh because, because then again we're like mcdonald's is not high quality food like that's not it's so like. It's not even like a good burger, I realized it.
Speaker 2:It's terrible, realized a long time cause we'd go out to dinner or something. And you know, uh, the young kids, you know they'd be like oh, I want some chicken nuggets. Or my daughter used to like it. Now she's gotten older she don't really like McDonald's. They'd be like it's good.
Speaker 1:McDonald's, I'm like I don't If I'm, If it's not for, like, the kids wanting a Happy Meal, because that's kind of more of the experience thing of it than it is just like the actual food. If it's not for that outside of breakfast, I do like their breakfast. I do like their breakfast.
Speaker 1:I will for lunch but not dinner. I do it. I will eat there because the kids like it, but not because I think it's good Now if they went back to the pre-COVID serving breakfast all day. You're going to find me there. I love some McMuffins, mcgriddles, like I love that kind of stuff. I had to be somewhere, God.
Speaker 2:what was this for? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I had to be somewhere one morning and I get there at 10 35 and they say we're not serving breakfast anymore because I stopped at 10 30. That drives me nuts, though, because who wants who wants lunch at 10 30, they stop. They stop at 10 30, and I think that general idea is nobody wants lunch at 10 30, but this basically gives us a 30 minute gap to make some switches, because 11 is about the earliest most people are going to do lunch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I left because I'm like I don't want lunch right now.
Speaker 1:But then on the weekends they do it till 11. That's what it was. They do it till 11 on the weekends. Well, so I left there, but why not just do that?
Speaker 2:all the time. Well, okay, it's 1035. To Bojangles Correct, I haven't ate nothing. I got this dog's appointment. I'm going to be there a while. I had a thing going on and I'm going to be there for a couple hours. I didn't leave the Bojangles till like 5 to 11. They're slow.
Speaker 1:I sat there, for they're a pretty slow place around here.
Speaker 2:Now, sometimes they can get you through. But I was like if only McDonald's would have just gave me some breakfast Five minutes, Like they got something left over.
Speaker 1:But at that point I don't want it left over.
Speaker 2:I want it fresh, no that's true.
Speaker 1:I don't Like anytime you get one, you're like I'm feeling it and it feels like it's been sitting a while. It's already just ruined.
Speaker 2:I worked at McDonald's when I was a teenager and I think I could still go in there today and do this stuff, which is crazy. It's been years ago.
Speaker 1:I don't think they've changed it they haven't, but yeah I didn't.
Speaker 2:I didn't love the way some stuff was supposed to not sit there longer.
Speaker 1:And it did, it, definitely did. It's like timer went off, hit the timer again. There's so much, so much of it that everybody's like and I'm not saying, you know, because in your mind you're thinking, if it's just a couple extra minutes, we're saving a lot of money. If it's just this, it's just this. But then all of a sudden a couple minutes turns into half an hour to 45 minutes to an hour, and then as you give that product out, it's bad, like it's just a bad product at that point.
Speaker 2:It is Places like that. I mean, that's a multi-billion dollar company. They don't care. You're still going back We've talked about that with where they are so into this quick, cheap food and you've got something like Chick-fil-A. That's all about service. You're going to pay a little bit more for it, but you're going to get service.
Speaker 1:I'm a big Chick-fil-A fan, though.
Speaker 2:I used to never want Chick-fil-a person and I think because their service, the food is always quality, I don't have to worry about it yesterday I was actually listening to another podcast and this guy was talking about, um, what he was doing for lunch that day.
Speaker 1:He already went, got it, they're finishing up recording and then he was going to eat right after and he was talking about how he had chick-fil-a and I was like all I want's a chicken sandwich sandwich. Now I think about that because, again, that's another thing we don't have close. We don't have many options close. We're very, very limited here on especially like the chain stuff.
Speaker 2:We don't have that and we're kind of a tourist area, so it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1:Well, we have all the mom and pop stuff. We just don't have the chain stuff. They don't want that here really, which which again I see kind of the both sides of it. As a local, it's like I want more, but as a tourist side like that's, people are not really looking for the hey, I've got that at home. The same thing like when I'm on vacation I'm not eating something that I have at home.
Speaker 2:I don't like to.
Speaker 1:Like I'm going to try to find something else.
Speaker 2:No, it's funny you say that about listening to a podcast on Chicken Sandwich, because everybody listening to this right now is going to get food.
Speaker 1:They're finding somewhere, even if it's just in the fridge, I know like James will listen to this next time he works and he's going to be like, yeah, now I got to go eat.
Speaker 2:I got to go get some food.
Speaker 1:Where are we going to lunch, boys, Like I got to find something. So 100% even though me and him are not friends anymore, not after. That's an ex-friend.
Speaker 2:I told you he lives down the road from me. I might need him one day. Well, no, he did.
Speaker 1:He did actually make a comment after that. That said something about his you know you were sticking up for him as a neighbor or something, and I was like gosh, I hate you Neighbors.
Speaker 2:Got to stick together.
Speaker 1:Neighbors got to stick together. I said I remember. Oh, he said glad my neighbor David has my back, yeah, and I'm like, of course, I always got your back, of course, yeah, listen, he knows like because he would do, he does, he used to do that stuff all the time, just randomly, like I'll get the most random text haven't seen him, like we've been busy working or whatever. Had seen him all night.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I'll get a text like I'm gonna dunk on you. I'm like, what like? What are you talking about? Like, where did that come from? Just like these just out of the blue type things. It's such a his character type thing which was always hilarious.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I mean many, many, many stories they, they go into that, but that's a whole, whole other thing you know, I don't even know how we've been talking, but we've had almost a whole podcast on basketball and food. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's the only thing that's important right now.
Speaker 1:But speaking of the concessions, because that's where my mind went Okay, have you seen the Dodgers and their new concession process?
Speaker 2:I have not really seen it. I heard you mention it, but I don't know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:So we kind of got to talk about it earlier because we were talking about how much basically baseball teams are spending on players currently and it's one thing that I've seen been going around I know what time it is, it's one thing that I've seen going around is the new prices.
Speaker 2:I don't leave it, but hanging our lights went off. They're on timer, so that's why we know yeah, sorry, they're going to be like. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:I was very distracted by it because it was like right out of the corner of my eye, but very, very big difference in what their old pricing was to their new pricing. One of the things was like a hot dog. So I'm going to say I know that stuff paying for a concession. Hot dog, a concession hot dog. Now I'm not talking like a local sporting event. I'm talking like when you go to some type of pro or big college event, you know it's going to be more expensive because it just naturally is.
Speaker 2:So some of those have decent quality, I think. Like it's a pretty good size hot dog. Sometimes it's better than a gas station hot dog, I think. But I mean, if I'm going to big spend, I want to spend no more than five bucks on a hot dog. So you're saying five bucks, that's what I want to spend. All right, and I still think that's a little pricey.
Speaker 1:So but I understand those things are pricey. So the new list that came out $15 for a hot dog. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay, the other thing I've seen, $35 for a beer.
Speaker 2:I don't drink, but good grief, I don't know how you can afford to.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying I don't either really but $35?. I mean you've got to take out a loan to go Are other drinks that expensive?
Speaker 2:or is that preying on? People drink. They want to be there.
Speaker 1:The sodas I want to say. The last I saw was like $13. Yeah, that's crazy. It was, everything was like above $10. Yeah, there was like a souvenir popcorn cup.
Speaker 2:Now is that partly because of the city they're in, Because everything's higher there.
Speaker 1:So again, it is Los Angeles. You're going to pay a lot in California. That's the way things are out there. It's very expensive. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that they've spent what feels like billions of dollars on like four players, so they're like I mean their their team salary is unbelievably high.
Speaker 2:So they sign these players and then go oh crap, we've got to raise prices, We've got to make up this money Potentially.
Speaker 2:Maybe, I, maybe. I mean, I feel like it would have to be somewhat part of it. I mean, you've got to make money somewhere as part of owning a business. We understand that if you're going to put more money in the business, you have to get in more money, right, so I get that. But that might be pushing it a little bit, especially what you already pay for tickets and team gear and everything else Well.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing. There's a lot of people that are like, oh, these are just joke pricing. It's like okay, that's cool, but when you look at what they were actually charging last year, it was still like 10 bucks for a hot dog. So it's like okay, well, in reality, if you're going up another five bucks, it doesn't feel like it's that crazy when you're already charging $10 for a very simple product. I mean, a hot dog is a hot dog Like.
Speaker 2:there's not much differences, you can do with a hot dog, so that better come with all the toppings and everything. And you know better, it doesn't.
Speaker 1:I'm sure not. It's like anything you go to. You know we talked about it today with certain different sports. Ticket prices are not necessarily awful. Some sports are more expensive, like you said, time of day, depending on who they're playing, all those things factor. But the ticket price you're like, okay, I'm already spending this on tickets, but then when you have to factor in how much you're paying for concessions, it's just outrageous. You're spending like your family of five y'all go to a big ballgame. You're spending hundreds.
Speaker 2:We're spending some money. You're going to spend a few hundred dollars. So we got travel softball going back. Yeah, we spend that at a travel ball game, at concessions.
Speaker 1:I couldn't, and that's cheap stuff I couldn't imagine. The difference is that, though, like you're there all day, it is Like you're getting there, like there's some of those you're like, hey, in.
Speaker 2:Clemson. Okay, you're going to get some kind of snacks, usually which?
Speaker 1:I think Pope called and said you're not allowed anymore, because if somebody goes, they lose. They did yeah. So go ahead and go to these first NCAA.
Speaker 2:We thought about going to Tennessee and we didn't, and they won.
Speaker 1:So I think I'm just going to have to stay out. Yeah, you're part of the issue.
Speaker 2:I think so, but you know, long lines keep me from buying at concessions. So we had a game we didn't get to because of long lines. But you, typically you're going to buy some snacks there especially if you got your kids with you and stuff. You're going to buy a couple of drinks and popcorn, candy, whatever, but you're also going to eat on the way there and then you're going to pay for the tickets. And if you get tickets to ticket master, then you it's a pretty expensive process and if you don't have one close by, you've got to spend your gas and your time. Fans really commit when they go to these games. I don't know if they get their money's worth or not. I guess so because we keep doing it, but it's expensive.
Speaker 1:To me it's just like it's part of the experience. It's almost like you just kind of have to, whether you really want to or not. You almost feel like you just do. Because for me, like, we don't go to many games Really, we don't have big venues really close by. Everything is two and a half, three hours from where we live, so you don't get the ability to just go to games all the time. Yeah, if I was closer I would probably think about it more, maybe with concessions, because at this point, like, if I go, we may go to like a Braves game a year. Typically that's about the only thing we go to, just others are even so much more expensive. But yeah, I mean. So last year when we went to Truist, I mean we spent at least $100 in concessions. Yeah, and it's not like I'm sitting there eating a ton of stuff, it's just three or four people like get a hot dog, a drink, obviously, a baseball game, a long game, get popcorn, kid wants ice cream, things of those nature.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the experience You're up to $100 pretty quick, especially when you don't get to go that often, right, you definitely get that experience. You kind of just bite the bullet and do it. It's just a little different. But I, you know, you're looking, okay, there's a game coming up or an event, whatever, concert, whatever it is and you go you look up the ticket price oh, that's not bad. But then you got parking price, yeah, and then you got the fees, and then you've got any kind of concessions.
Speaker 2:So you almost commit to going based on that ticket price you saw right, not factoring in everything else you're gonna do and then like, especially so, something that I actually love doing with my brother, brad, that I'm hoping to do more of this year.
Speaker 1:He's been a big wrestling fan since he was a kid. Always has been. Wrestling shows are a freaking blast to go to, like we've been to a couple in.
Speaker 1:Greenville and it's just they're so much fun to go to. It's just the whole thing. I'm not really just like a huge wrestling fan but it's fun to go to, like like to me. I kind of see the the sport side of it of you know everybody's like well, it's fake, it's scripted, whatever. I don't care about that. These guys are athletes like they're. They are athletic people like they are doing some impressive stuff.
Speaker 2:and one thing I want to say about because we did go to a couple, yeah, and the first one we went to, we paid up and was ringside pretty what three, four rows off, or rows off, or three rows back. I'm going to tell you that's worth it.
Speaker 1:It was so much fun. That was a whole different. It was so much fun.
Speaker 2:It made the experience so much fun. Not that the other experience was bad, well, so here's the thing.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you this, though we went, so me and Brad, my dad, actually went to one in Asheville. What was that? A couple months ago now. Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 2:Something like that.
Speaker 1:No, it was, yeah, two months ago. Now we're in March, so about two months ago, and that arena we were in is tiny, tiny, tiny tiny. We paid 30 bucks a ticket and we're not far from the top and it still felt like we were that close. It was just so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a small arena like that would probably be great it felt so just on top of it, which was awesome.
Speaker 1:That was a lot of fun, but that's one thing. I want to try to find some more, even the small shows, they're just fun. But if you go to something like that, you talk ticket price, you talk parking and then if you're like, hey, I'm gonna buy a shirt like it's cool stuff. I'm gonna buy some kind of merchandise that's 30 bucks at minimum. Some of those are even more, depending on what you get.
Speaker 2:Well, you're talking 35, 40 I've been in and out of wrestling throughout my life. When I was a kid I was a big wrestling fan and then later in life I got into it a little bit and we went to some and I kind of got out and I haven't watched wrestling in a while, but I still think it would be cool to pay up one time and be front row right there with everything going on. It'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 1:I say that but I want to be opposite of where we were. So we were on the side where the camera faced us, so you want to be on TV? No, we were on TV all night, oh we were on. Tv. Okay, I want to be on the opposite side. I want the back of my head to be on TV, gotcha, and the reason I say that is because we noticed it that night more than I've ever noticed it before. Yep, I know what you're going to say they do everything for the camera.
Speaker 1:So all of the big moves, all the really cool stuff that they do, is towards the camera, facing the camera.
Speaker 2:I want to be seeing that face on.
Speaker 1:That's one of those parts. That's the only thing that I'm like. The only thing I regret about those seats was the fact that we were on the other side.
Speaker 2:You're right, and I don't know Most people don't consider that a sport.
Speaker 1:I don't consider it a sport. To me, it's entertainment. It's just. They are athletes as much as anybody else.
Speaker 2:Most of the live stuff you go to, they're just putting on, whether it's sports or I think of monster trucks or Disney on ice or all this, and they're just putting on a show for everybody.
Speaker 1:Disney on ice. Where did that come from? Because it's just a show you go to. I don't know. I've never been to a Disney on ice show.
Speaker 2:No, we talked about taking my daughter once and we never did, but maybe one day. But I feel like you're right that wrestling that's more for TV than the live audience.
Speaker 2:It's 100% for TV and it might be the only one that's like that that I can think of off the top of my head, Because everything else is kind of just a lot going on Well, so it's really interesting because you don't really think about all the stuff that goes into wrestling, Obviously, like they finish their match and they're walking back and they're not hurt like they were showing. I mean, it's a whole.
Speaker 1:It's for the entertainment, like it's 100%. But there are stuff that they do within the arena that obviously you can look at the cameras. They're not recording. You know the big light's not on recording. So they're doing some fun stuff just to keep crowd interaction and you know, keeping fans rowdy and excited. That obviously you're not getting that on TV. But yeah, it's the only thing you go to that is not for the people there. Only thing you go to that is not for the people there. It's for it is tv only. Yeah, because, like you know, we're sitting here watching sec tournament. Obviously the announcers and all those things is for the fans at home, but the game itself is no different there or here.
Speaker 1:Just the camera angles you're seeing is different yeah, they're not you're not changing it because it's viewed either in person or away. Yeah, wrestling is about the only thing that it's it is set up to be, I think for tv you know a lot of people don't consider them athletes.
Speaker 2:But when you're there in person, especially up close, like we're, that one time the height of some of these moves and and how these guys jump and well so obviously they're pretty athletic.
Speaker 1:my dad is not a wrestling fan whatsoever, but he actually enjoys it. Because of that side of it, like to me to say those guys are not athletes. You just got to go at least once because the stuff that they can do is super impressive. And you know, again, a lot of the stuff is fake, a lot of it is scripted. But there's a lot of things like you're still taking some hard bumps, some hard shots, like you can only be slammed on your back and on your head and on your you know, whatever. So many times you're still going to feel it Like it's not, like I think there's nothing to it.
Speaker 2:The hard part for most people is kind of what we've said we don't call it a sport, but they're athletes and I think that's a hard combination.
Speaker 1:Typically if you have an athlete, you have a sport.
Speaker 2:But do we want to get into that conversation?
Speaker 1:Not really probably Cheerleading's that way. For me, I don't consider that a sport, but they're athletes, but they're athletes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%, you're right 100% To be able to do those things. So wrestling no male cheerleading is about you because, like every, every big, I don't think brad's gonna like that. You just compared wrestling to cheerleading.
Speaker 1:Well, but he knows my true thoughts on it, because he does. I don't think that's cheerleading, but like, obviously there's some of the stuff these guys do and and look where they recruit from these are. Most of these guys are x, some type of athlete they usually are you know whether they're in, a lot of whether they're, and a lot of these guys are big time college. A lot of these guys were wrestlers in college. You know legitimate wrestling and they end up going that route. So yeah, I mean they're athletes.
Speaker 2:So how do you feel about let's just get you in trouble here Gymnastics Is gymnastics a sport?
Speaker 1:you start going to an Olympic level of it, it feels different.
Speaker 2:Okay, because they have an.
Speaker 1:Olympic thing with it, Because at the same time like I don't think running's a sport, but when you start getting to the Olympic side of sprinting and some of the things they do, that feels like a sport.
Speaker 2:Because you change the competition level. I get what you're saying until I see people just sitting on a sled and I'm like I don't know if that's a sport. Jamaica got a bobsled team. Is that what you're thinking Like? That's an Olympic sport. But is that a sport? Are those guys athletes? So I'll say this, or curling that's what it gets to me curling.
Speaker 1:I don't know anything about those things, so to call it a sport, so curling to me feels almost like like a it's a game Like cornhole. It's a game right it feels like a backyard game that we've just turned into something.
Speaker 2:But it's an Olympic sport.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of things that are Olympic sports.
Speaker 2:You're right, we go back to the Summer Olympics.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying everything that's an Olympic sport is because to me shooting is not a sport.
Speaker 2:But they have so many shooting competition things this year, last year, whatever it was we had the guy from Turkey or whatever.
Speaker 1:But to me, just because it's a competition doesn't make it a sport either.
Speaker 2:I get that Because I can turn a lot of things into a competition, so we have a winner and a loser.
Speaker 1:but it ain't a sport, it's weird, because I mean, it sounds like we're saying there are some sports that don't have athletes and there's some athletes that do something.
Speaker 2:That's not a sport. What sport could you think that doesn't have athletes, like you're saying, shooting? Well, you said it's not a sport. I guess I don't think that's a sport.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't think you need to be an athlete to do that.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because there's a buddy of mine I can think of that is I would never tell him this to his face that he's a fantastic shooter. That man has no athleticism in his entire body.
Speaker 2:Like I feel like he'd fall over looking at a sport. So, like you said, that's not a sport to you.
Speaker 1:Then even though it's in the Olympics. No, not really. It's to me, its own thing.
Speaker 2:I want to see if I can come up with something we think is a sport that doesn't have athletes to do it.
Speaker 1:I don't know that you can have a sport and not be an athlete.
Speaker 2:Well, we determined that you can have athletes. That's not a sport, yes, but so I want to see if we can come up with the other way.
Speaker 1:But if you really look at it, most of those guys did something else. Most guys or girls did something else. That was that made them athletes yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to really do some research on this.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of people in this world Golf is not a sport. A lot of people say that and I've seen both sides of it. I say it's a sport, but I've seen both sides of it. It's about to get really dark out here, but I've seen kind of what people are saying about it. But those guys are still athletes, like the positions, the speed that they have. You have to be athletic to do some of those things.
Speaker 2:So that's another one that's not a sport, but athletes.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel that way, but to me I feel like it's a sport. That's my view on it.
Speaker 2:I kind of feel that way about racing a little bit.
Speaker 1:Well, we've talked about that.
Speaker 2:In today's world, to me, racing, I don't feel it's a sport, but I think some of those are athletes with what they're doing. It's different, it's unique.
Speaker 1:So I don't think so, because to me in an athlete you can put them in any sport and they could do something in it Like me. I'm not saying that I'm like top-level athlete, I can play anything, but I don't think most are.
Speaker 2:I can do like I'm not a soccer player. I go on a soccer field and look somewhat like I know a little bit of what I'm doing, but I don't feel like most of your golfers could go play other sports and be that good at them.
Speaker 1:Modern yes, former no.
Speaker 2:Because if you look at the modern Scottie Scheffler, he's not Basketball.
Speaker 1:He's a basketball player. Oh well okay, he played like, like. If you take an actual good basketball player, he could play some football, he could play some soccer, he could play some baseball and again, baseball's the hardest one. It's a little bit different, but there's so many things like you can just do, like put me playing some goofy type of dodgeball. I can do it just because.
Speaker 2:I'm athletic, not because I'm actually good at it, it's just I'm athletic so I can do it.
Speaker 1:So that's where I think that changes it. I mean, because athleticism is one of those things you can to an extent do about anything.
Speaker 2:It's just doesn't mean you're going to do it well. Well, I'm going to do some research on this and I'm going to need some help with the listeners. I want to come up with a I don't know something. That's not a sport.
Speaker 1:Sorry, opposite.
Speaker 2:You want a sport that doesn't have athletes, that is, the competitors are not athletes.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, but I think a lot of people could honestly say NASCAR.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So if you consider that a sport, but you didn't consider the drivers as athletes, but there's a lot of people that do, because some people's idea of what's on ESPN it's got to be a sport, right. That's kind of the mindset If you're reporting as a sport I can see yeah.
Speaker 2:And again. But see, I think some of those guys are athletes. The word sport is.
Speaker 1:In motorsport it is, but it just feels like its own separate thing to me. But I don't think it takes the same athletic abilities to do what they do. I'm not saying what they do isn't impressive, I don't mean that You're right, but on those terms.
Speaker 2:and we've said like cornhole's a game, but you don't have to be an athlete to play cornhole.
Speaker 1:But I think an athlete's better to start with because your hand-eye coordination Like it. Just it's something different.
Speaker 2:Possibly, I could see that, but I could see where a non-athlete could play, but again, I don't consider that a sport so I don't either I think you're really getting into this what's a sport and what's not, and gosh, that's such a you could have an entire podcast on arguing that like there's just so much that goes into that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because even the the definition of it does not really give you this. Just here's a definitive line where you draw it, it just doesn't feel that way.
Speaker 2:It's your opinion, I guess. Yeah, to a lot of extent. That's what's great, right.
Speaker 1:That's why we have a podcast. You get to hear our opinions, whether you like it or not. Yeah, you don't like it, you just don't listen.
Speaker 2:I mean, tell us about it if you don't like it.
Speaker 1:I'm still trying to argue with somebody other than you I can in the works with the podcast. So I mean there's a lot of stuff that's going to be coming out over the next few months.
Speaker 2:Well, we're sitting here at the range right now Really pushing some stuff. You know it actually just closed so nobody can be here, but I want some people to be out here.
Speaker 1:But to me it's like give it another couple weeks.
Speaker 2:I want to hear us talking about people's swings, but we start oh, we will mac coma and absolutely destroy some swings, if we want to.
Speaker 1:Give another couple weeks, though the biggest thing is when we have 65 at night. Yeah, then we stay packed. I'm starting to get a little bit cold out here. It's gotten chilly, but it's 54 now.
Speaker 2:It was 75.
Speaker 1:today it's 54. So that feel like you feel much cooler.
Speaker 2:You know I said that the other day. When it gets in the 70s, at least during the day, 50 at night feels cold, yeah, but in the winter 50 feels great you're begging.
Speaker 1:So it's like this comparison yeah, it's very different, but I think it's just the comparison to where it was to where it is yeah, so I don't like cold.
Speaker 1:We've talked about that well, as I was saying there, there's a bunch of stuff. We have kind of plans. Um, actually, within the next probably two to three episodes not sure exactly the timeline we're probably going to start having a few guests on with us. We've got some some people that, a few people that are begging to get on in, a few people that we're probably begging to get on. So, however you want to look at it, but I think we're going to have some people, some more insight and just kind of some hopefully putting a voice to some of the names we've talked about. So I think we'll have some fun with kind of some different perspectives and, hopefully, somebody that David can argue with, because he's tired of arguing with me Listen so actually you can argue with Will.
Speaker 1:You and Will will argue plenty.
Speaker 2:I'm sure Some of these people we bring on I might not get a word in. I'm going to have to, you know, really jump in there on some stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're just going to have to interject.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You're going to start kicking me like. Hit the mute button.
Speaker 2:Like I need to say something. Can you mute, for Like three topics ago I wanted to say something, yeah.
Speaker 1:And sometimes it almost feels like that, like you'll be saying something, like I'll have something, but you're on a good topic, so I just let it go and then I forget.
Speaker 2:I know I did the same thing, I had something.
Speaker 1:Or every week we turn it off.
Speaker 2:Man.
Speaker 1:I was going to talk about this. It's always happening because we don't want to go for four hours. We probably could. Cause we don't want to go for four hours. We probably could.
Speaker 2:You know, I worked for a company years ago and I was a part of like a safety committee. Yeah, and when they done safety meetings they would do like from noon to four, like like four hours. Instead of having an all day meeting, you come back the next day and do like eight in the morning to like noon. And they said exactly that thing. If you sit in a meeting, all day.
Speaker 1:You almost forget stuff.
Speaker 2:You guys had an 8 hour safety meeting. It was like once a month or once every few months and we'd eat lunch. It's almost like a big seminar type thing kind of, but it was only for different people from different parts of the company so basically you're calling a safety meeting, but it's not exactly.
Speaker 1:It's like a safety? I don't know what you call it.
Speaker 2:They bring people from different parts of the company because they think you have a different point of view than somebody that's doing that work every day, basically. So anyways, but the point of that splitting it up was if you have a meeting, you go home and you realize oh, I forgot about this.
Speaker 1:I forgot about that, so they give you an opportunity to do that.
Speaker 2:And so I thought that was pretty smart actually, because it happens all the time it 100% does 100%.
Speaker 1:But in case you were wondering, next week it's going to be a bunch more basketball talk because we're going to be into the NCAA tournament, but there will probably also be a lot of NFL free agency talk because we're right there at that Already been a few big things. The Bills have absolutely paid Josh Allen. They redid his contract and he's getting some money.
Speaker 2:I might try to bring in some NASCAR, but it just hasn't been that exciting.
Speaker 1:Well, so I will say this In the golf world, the unofficial fifth major, the players, that's this weekend Players' Championship at TPC Sawgrass. Most people may not know what that course is, but they know about the Island Green on 17 just because it's so polarizing. So we have that coming up this weekend.
Speaker 2:So that's the first first really big tournament next week. Be on the lookout, our podcast may come out early, right yeah.
Speaker 1:So we're actually getting ready to make a shift um within the next week or two, probably switching from thursday release to tuesday release um that's exciting. You can hear us so much earlier in the week scheduling things makes it easier for us and for some of the stuff we want to talk about. So, yeah, we're going to move it up for foreseeable future. I mean, if you guys have a problem with it call. David, I don't know, I don't really want to hear it, so maybe call David Shooting star.
Speaker 2:Send a complaint to. I don't know something.
Speaker 1:I'll find something for that, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We'll make a text line for complaints only just because that could be fun too. I'm probably never going to look at it, but no, I'm just kidding, oh no, I'll send them to you because you'll be the one that gets bothered by certain things. I won't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Again somebody you can argue with. That's the whole point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm trying.
Speaker 1:Well, as always, we appreciate you guys being with us. We're having a lot of fun. Hopefully you're enjoying the road that this has been so far and what it's going to be. But again, reach out Facebook, instagram, all the stuff. Be looking out Again. Brian's still doing a great job keeping up with all that We've got to get Brian on.
Speaker 2:We've got to figure that out. He's going to have to make a trip. He's not local to us. No, he's going to have to make a trip and we'll do a special episode or something, get him involved.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we've got a. I know of three people already that we're ready to get some guest time.
Speaker 2:Can we take bids or something maybe?
Speaker 1:Sponsorship. To get on the episode.
Speaker 2:I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1:We've got some people in mind already that have been wanting to, so looking forward to what that looks like. Yeah, I'm excited for that too. I don't know that I'm looking forward to the editing side of that, but yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 2:I guess I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I mean I'll figure it out, I guess, but I don't have to worry about that. No, no, yeah, the three people is just going to make it a little bit more of a headache, but it's okay.
Speaker 2:We know how I am. I like to show up when everything's set up. Just I sit down and talk and get on the move.
Speaker 1:You didn't do that today, you guys yeah thanks, everybody we're having fun and, uh, we will see you next week.