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Are We Ready for March? The Madness Begins!
Get ready for the madness! March is here, kicking off one of the most thrilling seasons in college sports: March Madness. In this episode, Tyler and David take you through the anticipation around the NCAA tournament, discussing everything from potential upsets to significant rivalries that define the tournament moment. Whether you're an avid fan or new to college basketball, we dive into what makes this time of year so unique and exciting.
Expect engaging conversations as we reflect on the current state of college basketball, analyzing how teams like Duke and Kentucky are shaping up for the tournament against new challengers. We touch upon the impact of injuries, coaching changes, and the technological advancements in the sport that influence gameplay, strategies, and fan engagement.
Through laughter and heated debates, we unpack the narratives that make March Madness not just a tournament but an emotional journey filled with hope, surprise, and a few heartbreaks. Hear about previous tournament thrills as we reminisce on memorable moments that have made the NCAA tournament one of the most celebrated series in sports history.
Join us as we feverishly discuss each team's potential and the dynamics that could lead to shocking upsets and underdog victories. What will happen this year as teams fight for glory? Stay tuned to find out! Don’t miss this delightful dive into March Madness, and remember to subscribe, share, and let your friends know about our podcast!
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Speaker 1:Online store coming soon hopefully the, the, the reed's getting better too, like that was just that. One just flowed a whole lot easier.
Speaker 2:It's like you had notes in front of you and I'm looking at you. You didn't have.
Speaker 1:I don't have notes, no, it's just, it's called my brain and those notes are usually a little scattered so who knows how that could go.
Speaker 1:But we are in a weird time of sports. We have probably the fewest things going on right now than we'll have all year. We do spring training. Baseball most people don't really care. Football's over over. Golf is in kind of early stages. It's super long season. Nascar the same way. They're in the early stages of a super long season. So there's not a whole lot for people to really be excited about, unless you're a college basketball fan.
Speaker 1:That's heating up, because it is March and we all know what time that means March Madness, which mainly happens in april, but march I've always thought that same thing. Because you wait till march, you're like, oh, it's march, and then they they don't start the conference tournament still halfway through the month, I know you've got another.
Speaker 2:What we're? So we're march, whatever day, it is first week of march. And we've got another week of college basketball regular season games.
Speaker 1:Then we get to the conference champions, then we get to the we've got the remainder of this week because I know, like as a Carolina fan, we only got one game left. Good thing, we were on a hot streak, one of our last six, because we got to play Duke Saturday and I don't think we can beat. Now we're playing way better. I mean, I'll say that we're playing way better, I mean.
Speaker 2:I'll say that we're playing way better. Is there a shot to get in the tournament still?
Speaker 1:They're going to have to win, I think, three rounds.
Speaker 2:Because they're sitting at that threshold too.
Speaker 1:They're currently listed. I mean, I've got Bracketology pulled up right here. They are currently listed as first four out. What's their record right now? 20 and 11. Okay, so they're so. They've made a push. They did make a push, but I think now, if they beat Duke, there's a good chance that could that could help them a lot that could get them in, because just because of how elevated Duke is right now, it seems they weren't then maybe not this year, being a Kentucky fan.
Speaker 2:Kentucky has beat a lot of highly ranked teams but lost to a lot of teams but it seems that the beating good teams is helping you more than losing to bad teams is hurting you. So if they could knock off Duke, that might go a long way.
Speaker 1:I think it would go a long way because they don't really have a marquee win for the year. There's nobody that you can say, hey, they beat this team. Running through the ACC minus the top three guys ahead of them doesn't mean much, because the ACC is just bad. I mean you've got Carolina Clemson Louisville, yeah, or, excuse me, duke Clemson Louisville. Outside of that, nothing. So currently, yes, they are listed first four out.
Speaker 2:And I don't even think Clemson and Louisville is doing that well, are they?
Speaker 1:So Clemson was still ranked last I looked. Let's see here doing that well, are they? So Clemson was still ranked last I looked, so they're having probably one of their better seasons. Oh, okay, they're doing better than I thought. Yeah, I mean, they're still up there. They're 11th in the country. Yeah, so 24-5 on the year Lost five games For Clemson.
Speaker 2:that's a fantastic year.
Speaker 1:Clemson hasn't had a year like that in a long time. Typically, obviously, that's right down the mountain for for where we're at. But we always I've always made fun of clemson because they'll start their year and they'll go play wofford and they'll go play upstate south carolina and they'll go play you know, coastal and they'll just come out and they'll be 12 and 0 and they get ranked and then they get into acc and maybe win three games the season. They did that for like eight years straight and everybody's like oh, this is clemson. It's kind of like tennessee football fans. It was always gonna be their year next year clemson's like oh nope, we're actually good this year.
Speaker 1:And then I have some buddies that are big time clemson fans and they're this year now saying, oh, this is our year. I'm like all right, you said it for 15 straight, like, eventually you're gonna get lucky and it's gonna be your, that's what you do every year.
Speaker 2:Just this is my year, yes, and you're going to get eventually uh, but I was looking here at the uh, march madness date. So I didn't actually realize this. They are squeezing in everything except the final four championship in march.
Speaker 1:It's going to barely actually get it in. They are right, yeah, so final four goes april 5th and the championship which that's the thing you got to think about.
Speaker 1:We're, like you said, first week of march and we're going to get all conference tournaments and all but what. Two rounds of the ncaa tournament, yeah, from now until the end of all the way through the elite eight. That's a lot of games. That is now, as a fan, super excited. Like this is my second christmas. Like I love this time of year because you just basically turn the tv on in the morning, they start super early and it just runs all night long oh, oh, I do.
Speaker 2:I've um in my home office. There I've got a TV that I every year I'll set up right there by my desk, and or might put something on my computer too, if I need to and have different games going.
Speaker 1:Did you? Did you always find a way to do it in school? Did you always? Did you at least have that one teacher?
Speaker 2:that'd be like, yeah, we can turn it on if y'all are good.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I would purposely schedule computer classes second semester so that I could have it pulled up One year. I remember I didn't get one, but my teacher, he actually was kind of a big-time track star at Western Carolina at one point and he was the coach of the track team, but just a huge sports fan so I was like all right if we play our card drive. So he put it on there. So the man went and rented out the TV Because this is okay, we're talking old.
Speaker 2:We had to wheel the tv. I was thinking the same thing. You have to wheel.
Speaker 1:He went and rented one out, we hooked it to the computer and you know we watched it the whole class period. Luckily he was my home room also, so I got to do you know a little bit of both. So we we did. We tried as much as possible to have it going. It got much easier as you get older, because then you just pull up on a laptop and you know they've got their.
Speaker 2:I pull them up on my phone, ripping them where I'm at everything correct. So now for, like these kids that want to watch it, you just pull it up like it's simple you know that's, I don't feel like I'm that old, but there was no iphones when I was in high school no, what were you?
Speaker 1:the first iphone come out I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's a good question. You got a guess.
Speaker 1:What's your guess?
Speaker 2:I feel like we've talked about this before. I really do. We might have, but I can't remember my first one was like the 3G or something like that that came out and that was 2010-ish something, so I'm going to guess 2006.
Speaker 1:So iPhone was around when I was in high school. Okay, I didn't have one, because they were unbelievably expensive when they first came out. See, the Razr was still popular back then. Yes, I had one of those For all of you that know what the Razr was. You're right there around our age. Not the new Razr, not this one they kind of re-released. That wasn't the same thing.
Speaker 2:And we're not talking about a scooter either.
Speaker 1:No, I mean heck, we probably had. I had one of those too, when I was a kid, but that's a whole different ballgame. So June 29th 2007. 2007.
Speaker 2:Okay, so See, I graduated in 05.
Speaker 1:Between my sophomore and senior or, excuse me, junior and senior year. Yeah, because that had been that summer.
Speaker 2:Now, when I was in high school, the other thing that was big was the NexTel phone.
Speaker 1:I don't know if of those. Okay, so I remember them, but they weren't big around here, okay, none of those features worked here well, I could see that it's got more in the mountains here and stuff correct. So there was several of those phones. I was like, oh cool, you have this walkie talkie availability and it was always you know the asterisk at the bottom subject to availability. It never had availability.
Speaker 2:I don't know why we thought that was a good idea. Um well, I guess I do know, because then we had to pay for our minutes, you know whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or you had to wait till nine o'clock when it was free.
Speaker 2:So the walkie talkie didn't count your minutes, but you would have your phone in your pocket and your buddy, just you know, keyed up like a walkie talkie, and start yelling at you and everybody hears. What's good.
Speaker 1:You know the younger crowd, it was the younger crowd. Yeah, Because as technology went, they're like, oh, I want the next thing. And the older crowd was still kind of scared of it, like give me the old, just simple but we went from walkie talkies just yelling out where everybody could hear, to now we're texting.
Speaker 1:We ain't talking to calls anymore. I was actually watching a clip of a guy this weekend and he's talking about how bad his social anxiety is and basically all he does is content creation. And he said I made a phone call, was trying to schedule a massage and he just absolutely butchered speaking and he's like it's not fair. He's like because in YouTube when I mess up I just edit it out. Now, when I have to actually talk to somebody face to face or on the phone or whatever, he's like in youtube when I mess up.
Speaker 1:I just edit it out now. When I have to actually talk to somebody you know face, you know face face or on the phone or whatever he's like, I don't even know how to do it if you get nervous and you got anxiety.
Speaker 1:You're trying to figure out what to say and you know well, yeah, I mean, it was this whole thing like the the masseuse had, his masseuse had left to a new place and he's trying to like see if he can get his information to her to kind of, you know, reach out and like he was good. And then right there at the end he just he just slips up and he's like yeah, just uh. And then he just starts rambling and like this is all being recorded Cause he just he's just playing the clip and he's like what am I doing? He's like I was so good and then I just got so dumb at the end. There's a lot of people I will never hear from her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of people are like that. Now, I don't know if it's because of texting. You know the older generation will say well, everybody texts and that's why you can't communicate. I don't know if it's that or if it's just, uh, everybody's more shy.
Speaker 1:It seems like you know through apps on the computer or on your phone or whatever. I mean so many remote working and all this stuff, so like you're not face-to-face having to talk to people every day.
Speaker 2:I mean most of my bills and everything I do through an app.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, nobody wants to really. So basically they're looking at it and saying we don't need to have a conversation for these small things. But because of that, now these small things, nobody's having conversations, because the small things is what keeps you having conversations. Like you know, when we're out here at the driving range, we talk to people all the time. You don't have a choice, like there's just always people, some of them, you can't get away from.
Speaker 1:There's one or two in particular I can think of, and I've seen both of them this week and luckily you got stopped by one of those yesterday it wasn't, it wasn't me, because I got stopped by him. What it's thursday or friday last week and it was two hours.
Speaker 2:I couldn't get away but I love talking to him. Oh no, sometimes I've got. It's not that I'm talking to him. It's just it feels like every time they show up it's right in the middle of something that's the thing, and I'm like gosh, I don't have two hours I don't want to be rude and walk away, and so I'm trying to get it done.
Speaker 1:I was raised to be polite and sometimes it's just got to go.
Speaker 2:So something I did think of, though that happened to me this week. I don't think I've told you this, maybe I did, I don't remember. I got a letter in the mail from the North Carolina Transportation Department, okay, and apparently the entrance on my wife's car had lapsed, yep, and now I got gotta pay him some money, and I didn't know it. So I called the insurance company I think it was yesterday or day before, something like that and I I guess I didn't get the bill, let's say that was.
Speaker 1:Was that during the period when because I know there you had an issue with the car? You're working on it, no driving, no, this is after that.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah yeah, I done took care of all the the mechanical issue you had and all that. This was really recently, and so I call them up and I said, okay, what do I got to do here? Okay, I had to back pay all the insurance that I missed, correct. And I said, okay, they're, you know they're gonna send something to the government to say, hey, he's got it. I said, okay, do I still got to pay this? It's a 50 fine. Yeah, you got to pay the 50 fine. I said. So why am I paying the back pay then, if I got to?
Speaker 1:pay this. It's a $50 fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to pay the $50, fine, I said. So why am I paying the back pay? Then, if I got to pay, the fine anyways.
Speaker 1:So there's still maybe paying to catch it up On that form. On that form and I know this because Amanda recently just did the exact same thing, Hers did it- I thought there was something there, but I didn't know any details.
Speaker 2:So, amanda, did so.
Speaker 1:Amanda did the exact same thing on hers and she was like you know, I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna tell them, like you know, she checked the thing, like, yes, I did this, you know here's this. Well, because she was honest, they make you do a hearing over the phone you have like it's.
Speaker 1:It's so much easier to basically just say nope, we got it. Have to do the back pay, have the pay all that. Let insurance basically just say, hey, here, we got it all. Do the back pay, have the insurance pay all that. Let insurance basically just say, hey, here, we got it all, we're good. But if you're like, nope, I did this, yes, you know. Whatever the question I don't remember the exact question on there Basically did you operate it knowing that you didn't have it and it was like, yeah, once I realized I didn't have it, it was like all right, now you have a hearing and if you don't do the hearing, your plate is basically suspended for 30 days and I'm like all right.
Speaker 2:So she's going to get her plate suspended? No, so she's doing the hearing.
Speaker 1:No I think it's this week sometime. I'm glad I don't do that it's literally like it's going to be a nothing thing.
Speaker 2:Like, hey, we did the fine, I've already got the insurance caught back up and taken care of. And then, yeah, you check the boxes and and one says did you knowingly drive it correct? No, I didn't. I didn't know it was right.
Speaker 1:Until you put the letter in my mailbox I did not know correct, and that was the thing is like when amanda got some kind of letter and it was like oh, now I know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause it was like not even realizing it at first, and then it was like, oh yeah, now I do know, and now I and you know you got to drive, yeah, Correct, and, and you know so and again it's. I wouldn't lie but I think I still say like I don't condone the lying, but it's one of those. It's like I still have to pay you regardless you gotta pay the future like there's not gonna be much difference in what happens here, so it's the same thing.
Speaker 1:Like your, your plate expires I've done that before and they're gonna write you a ticket for it and it's like, hey, go get it fixed, and we drop everything I. I forget about it all the time, like yeah, listen, I've checked many of them, for you know my past life, my past career, all this stuff, but now I couldn't tell you the last time I've looked at it I don't pay attention to it because I don't care, you don't stick there anymore. Yeah, I mean I probably need to check mine today. I really don't know.
Speaker 2:Because they send you the thing in the mail like several months in advance and I'm the mail like several months in advance and I'm not going that early, I don't forget about it. And then I see it, and then I gotta find time to go down there and and every time I do it it won't be like real long. Often it'd be a month or two, whatever. I'd forgotten about it, correct. And then I gotta pay a penalty, correct, for not doing on time.
Speaker 1:Yep, I mean, they're getting me everywhere I turn around, that's that's the way it works, but I really don't know how we went off onto that. I don't either From college basketball to basically breaking the law is what just happened.
Speaker 2:Unknowingly breaking the law. Does that help?
Speaker 1:Okay, I mean, it's still the same.
Speaker 2:You said it, you brought it up, here we go. Okay, you ready for this? Okay, you said breaking the law, breaking the law, yep, okay, I know where we're going. You know where we're going. It just took me a minute. I was waiting for you to catch on here. Yeah, I had to think about it for a second.
Speaker 2:I was like where is he going with it? I'm seeing a lot of stuff lately, yep, about these protests going on in different areas, especially colleges. In different areas, especially colleges, and there's a lot of people upset that the current president and administration is trying to stop it. And they're saying well, you're stopping free speech, you're doing this, that whatever. Do they not realize that what he is stopping it literally says in his executive order if you are illegally protesting.
Speaker 1:I think there's been a big confusion over the past I don't know 15 years in the difference in what a legal protest is and freedom of speech, and we're kind of blurring some lines that people don't quite understand. For one, I'm all for free speech, I am too. But what I will say with that, say whatever you want, but if there are consequences because of what you say, freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence. Okay, fine.
Speaker 2:That's cool. You come up to my podcast right now or before you go off or wherever, and you start causing a scene saying a bunch of stuff and there's families around and kids around and you're being just you know bad language. Where I can ask you leave? That is not hurting your.
Speaker 1:Your freedom of speech no, but even then north carolina. That is against the law that's my point, because Because at that point you are disturbing. The peace is what it's called.
Speaker 2:I think people are losing again kind of what you said the meaning of free speech that doesn't give you the right to say anything you want, wherever you want.
Speaker 1:You still can't violate somebody else's rights, it gives you the right to do it. You just got to then be ready for what happens next.
Speaker 1:Well, you just got to then be ready for what happens next. Well, I mean, you kind of have the right to do whatever you want, but as long as you get ready for the consequences. And that's what I'm saying is like now, don't get me wrong. We are not even Europe or some of these countries that if you say something they don't like, even online, you can get jail time for it.
Speaker 2:We don't have stuff like that and that's where I see. That's what free speech is those things you can do but you can't. You know again a college where a lot of these are happening. A lot of those are public colleges getting federal and state funding.
Speaker 1:Correct. So a lot of that's public area, a lot of that's public public facilities and they are protesting. Protest wherever you want to protest. I have no issue with you protesting. I don't care, honestly, what it is.
Speaker 2:I don't either.
Speaker 1:Your right as an American citizen protest.
Speaker 2:Depending on where you do it at. Again, Right.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying like legal lawful protests yes, do it. That's covered by the First Amendment. Awesome, cool, go do it. Like we see it up here at the courthouse almost every weekend. Yeah, from one side or the other, but at the point in time that you're keeping cars from being able to travel on the road or people be able to pass through, or you're starting to harass people, all right, now we're no longer in legal lawful protest.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:We're starting to get into a realm of we are now doing some illegal acts within that. So that's where it's like okay, if the illegal stuff starts, we're going to stop it. Yeah, why are we arguing that if you break the law, we should stop you, and I don't get that.
Speaker 2:Nobody has said anything, even even president trump has not said we're stopping all protests. You cannot protest against things we don't like, and and that's where he's kind of he's, he's not violating no, he said constitution, we're going to stop illegal protests and that should be stopped and it's, it's. Drove me nuts seeing this stuff lately because of that same reason, right there and again like protesting. I don't think I've ever protested in my life. No, I think there's very few, if any, protests that actually make a difference, because you go out there with a sign and you can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1:So in modern times agree, modern times, because at one point, protesting was the biggest thing you could do. Now, with the way that you can I mean you can start a podcast, you can have a blog and count Like it's it's easy to get your word out way easier.
Speaker 2:Can you think of something in history that you think protests made a difference?
Speaker 1:Um civil rights Okay.
Speaker 2:I think that's kind of what I go to too.
Speaker 1:And again, I don't. I won't say that all of those were legal. Obviously I wasn't around during the time, but whether you were on one side or the other, at some point it caused such a big disturbance that it's like, okay, we've got to figure something out. Now, again, I am very much. God created us all equal. We all are. Yeah, Now that doesn't mean that we are equal as human beings Like you are very different than I am, and that's okay.
Speaker 1:Many people are very different than I am, and that's okay. You are supposed to be different, that's what makes humanity. But you are not lesser or more than someone because of skin color or gender or any of that Like that. That's what I don't understand. It's like hey, it's really easy, I don't have to go be a part of a movement, I just have to live my life that you know the way God tells me to live it Like it's.
Speaker 2:It's pretty simple at that point and those are the ones that, even in today's society, things that need to be protested, fine, if you're doing it legally, have at it. That's your right, that's your opinion and everything else.
Speaker 1:But again, like you mentioned, don't stop traffic, don't be, you know, harassing people, don't be loitering like stores and everything else, ones that I see that are, I feel like the most common are some of your vegan and vegetarian that are wanting to protest outside of processing, that's a good point.
Speaker 1:I'm like okay, if you want to, if you feel that way and you want to protest, cool. But at the point in time that you are standing and sitting in the middle of the road stopping trucks from getting in and out right now, you broke the law. But then they're getting mad and then trying to sue these people when they are being removed from the road and it's like all right, you shouldn't be allowed to sue somebody. When you were found guilty of breaking the law, why are you then suing Now? I'm not saying that you should, you know, beat these people and you should do these things. I don't mean that obviously like no, but use, use the amount of force necessary basically is how they would word it to remove someone and then let everybody just keep on rolling.
Speaker 2:In my opinion, if you're stopping traffic like that, or trucks, or hurting the business, you're then again, all these rights that we have cannot infringe on somebody else's rights, correct?
Speaker 1:And that's the part that a lot of people do forget. Yes, just because you have the rights doesn't mean that you can do something that breaks my rights. Yes, I have the same rights. We both have the same rights.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so if you have the right to sit in the road and stop my trucks, I have the right to keep running my trucks up and down the road and make you move Correct, because that's my right to do it and I think people are like you just need to arrest them.
Speaker 1:You can't. And this isn't even talking political, this is just talking about in general, everyday stuff. If people disagree with things they're like, well, I can't be friends with them because they disagree All the time.
Speaker 1:And it's like I don't want all of my friends to like. I don't want to be a carbon copy of each other, because that's miserable. It is Like we give Will a hard time about the whole LeBron and Michael Jordan stuff and he's a dude fan and it's one of my fun like the most fun things we can do during the week is just giving him a hard time about that stuff and him doing it back to us. I like the fact that he disagrees with me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not going to stop me from being a friend, like Paul, one of our good friends.
Speaker 1:He's an Alabama fan. That's tough to be friends with a man that's an alabama fan. It is, but I don't care like at the end of the day you're. You're a kentucky fan, I'm a carolina fan. Okay, like I want. I want the differences. Because if we were, if we're all just this one big group, we all cheer for the same teams, we all do the same stuff it kind of just gets old.
Speaker 2:Well, it's even that way in politics a little bit. You know there's some things in politics that are too far that I can't condone. Or you know, not saying I can't be friendly with them, but it's not something I'm gonna hang out with if they have completely different opinions on some things. But even most politics we all have little differences on, and that's okay of course. Of course it shouldn't stop us from, you know, being friendly or friends in some instances.
Speaker 1:I do think, though, like we talked about, because of the the push in technology and nobody really talks anymore. People aren't used to being around people that differ, like you. Go find your little facebook groups or your stuff on on, you know, discord or instagram or whatever these programs are, and you just go find the groups that you like. I reflect perfectly with these people. Yeah, so then when somebody says something different, you've got 2,000 people all to disagree, instead of just like sitting here having a conversation of like. Oh, here's why I believe this and here's why you believe this. I don't agree with you, but this is a cool conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you can have fun with it. We've talked before about conspiracy theories. Oh, of course I have my opinions on on certain things sure flat earth and land on the moon and all this but I still like to hear the other side, like where are they getting this from?
Speaker 1:like you know, that's it's and it's funny you said flat earth, because there's been a bunch of of videos recently. It's like these flat earthers here's how they're gonna prove it, and then they're disproving themselves in the video and it's like, all right now, how do we, how do we swing this? How do we, how do we make the shift and say, no, it actually is.
Speaker 2:I don't again. I don't know how we get here half the time, but let's just put out there flat earth or round earth, are you?
Speaker 1:I, I mean, I'm a round earth, I am too round. I don't, I don't have anything that's shown me not. Okay, like now what I will say. There are some things that flat earthers say then like that's very interesting and maybe, but there's not enough proof yeah to then switch of what we're already saying I'm the same way, that's how I feel with it. So I'm like if you gave me enough that you could say it has to be this, it's 100, this maybe so landed on the moon absolutely I don't think we did and and for that exact reason, I've seen enough information and have enough?
Speaker 2:um, I don't think we did and, and for that exact reason, I've seen enough information and have enough um, I don't know what you call intel or whatever, but even I'd feel like we did not land on the moon even the things that we do believe to be true, the stuff that you're taught in school, you know.
Speaker 1:You know columbus discovering america. Well, then, they come to find out. Well, he didn't really. He was actually, actually, you know, more, like the Bahamas, you know. So you saw a lot of people that, like Nope, 1492, columbus sailed the ocean, blue America, and it's like well, kinda, and, and so the biggest thing, like we've said before, both of us somewhat like history to different degrees the Victor controls the narrative, for sure, sure, so there's so many things that we will never know exactly how it laid out, and so those are things. I'm like man, I just wish, I wish I knew more any other conspiracy theories you can think of that?
Speaker 2:oh, don't go down that right there's so many we don't have to get into. I just want to. Oh, no, no, obviously, because they're. Let's lay our platform well, so obviously the the big one.
Speaker 1:Still going on is ufos, aliens. What, what happens?
Speaker 2:there are ufos a real thing. Are aliens a real thing?
Speaker 1:so those are two different questions okay, I didn't know how well, because a ufo is just something unidentified, okay, like that could literally be another country doing something, be our own government something that we don't know.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah, so that's where.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's where you'll see a lot of conspiracies saying all right, if we're saying ufos. So now there's two terms. I don't remember the other term, what they call it, you know uh I don't get deep into or something like that. Basically, do I think there's plenty of unexplained stuff? Yes, do I believe it's little gray men.
Speaker 2:No, do you believe there's life on other planets?
Speaker 1:I have no reason to believe there is.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I mean just at the moment, like there's no, there's nothing telling me, you have a reason to believe there's not. It's just kind of where I fall. I don't really have a reason that I don't, but it's like it's kind of the same thing. You know the same way that you are in your little towns and cities and say here's why we do stuff here and why you don't do it in a bigger area. Same thing like when you come to the world. We have no reason to believe there's something else yeah there.
Speaker 1:We've never had somebody come visit.
Speaker 2:We never had well, see, some people say some people say that they do, so you, you don't think we've had any. I've never had an experience to tell me otherwise I'm with you there, so now I will say, being out, you know, in the woods, especially where we live, you can see the sky.
Speaker 1:Fantastic, like seeing what's elon musk's company starlink, starlink, the starlink satellites. First time you see it you're like holy crap, what is that?
Speaker 2:what is?
Speaker 1:it. It gets you and you start looking. You're like, oh, that's pretty cool, like it's interesting. So that's where I'm like all these things that people say they saw a hundred years ago. You couldn't pull your phone out and google what is this? Like you just well that's where a hundred years ago technology very different.
Speaker 2:But I don't, um, I don't think there's life on other planets. If there is, I don't think they've. They've came here again. There's so much out there we don't know. It's kind of like the bottom of the ocean, you know, could there be, possibly, but I don't have a reason to believe it. I'm kind of with you on that.
Speaker 1:That's what drives me insane, though. We are spending so much money as a world to figure out what's outside of it, and we don't even know what's here. There's so many things that we find in the ocean every year that blows our mind, and we aren't spending more money to figure that out. That's crazy, that's crazy to me, and again why I don't like the ocean. There's too many questionable things there that you're not on top of the food chain.
Speaker 2:Well, there's one of those in the ocean, the the loch ness monster. Oh, that's not in the ocean, uh, well, no, but in the water, I guess. Uh, but it made me think of this. So let me ask you this question. Okay, bigfoot, is he real or not? I guess not. He is the species, a thing I want it to be. Is the species a thing I want it to be? You want it?
Speaker 1:to be Okay, wait a minute, that's a whole nother. I kind of want it to be just because I feel like it'd be cool. But again, the area that I grew up my whole life, the amount of people that I know that are hardcore hunters and this is not just my area, this is all across the country. There are thousands upon thousands of people in the woods every year.
Speaker 2:Some people get videos but we've never.
Speaker 1:they're very grainy. These guys are gonna kill one, Like these backwoods rednecks. They're not gonna like see it and take a picture. They're gonna Mount it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like you can't tell me that you don't want likefoot hands, feet and a head on your wall.
Speaker 1:We've got a local auto shop that we've been in, slammed full of taxidermy and some cool stuff, some really cool stuff, everything you can think of yeah, there would be a Bigfoot. Grizzly bears, wolves In there, 100%, you name it, the people that owned it. They've really traveled the world and killed some really, really interesting creatures and killed some really, really interesting creatures and they've got them there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you make a good point. There would be one in that shop. That's where.
Speaker 1:I'm like we would have something more and I feel that way with any. You know, loch Ness is different. I'm not saying I necessarily believe that, but that's different because they kind of claim there's one Bigfoot. They claim there are multiple species, there's you know X amount of them in the wild. I feel like we'd have gotten one by this point, like, unless they just have senses that are they would have to be so intelligent, and then I'd question that's creepy, what they're doing anyways?
Speaker 1:I still. I mean I want it to be real. You know, like that's one of those, like I want it to be because it's that's one of the the conspiracies. It's not hurting people one way or the other. There's no negative if it is real.
Speaker 2:What's the possibility? That Bigfoot is from another planet and that's why we can't find him? He just goes back home, or maybe he goes. You said something about some thing going in and out of the ocean. Maybe he lives in the ocean.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of the big belief anymore is that there are. I say he, I'm assuming they're, she's, and everything there's gotta be if they're repopulating, if they're real Again.
Speaker 2:We're talking about this like it's real, but had to refrain from a comment there.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I'll say it afterwards. Okay, you'll get it immediately, but yeah. So conspiracies to me are fun, but I like more of the. I don't like getting into political conspiracies. The. I don't like getting into political conspiracies. I enjoy the. Is our ghost real Bigfoot?
Speaker 2:That's a good one.
Speaker 1:All those because it's not hurting you one way or another. If somebody believes in Bigfoot, cool, good for you. You're excited about going to hunt for them. Good for you. Go have fun, that's not affecting anybody.
Speaker 2:It is a government thing. But I kind of feel that way about the moon as well, like whether we land on the moon or not isn't really affecting me it's not affecting anybody, like the whole space race thing, like that's not a thing anymore, and even the flat earth, if you are a believer in the fact that we landed on the moon, argue it.
Speaker 1:explain to me why you think so, because there are to me there are enough other things, not even talking about the footage, not saying any of that stuff. But when you talk to any really smart scientist, rocket scientist, whatever it may be, they say we do not have the technology to get there currently, but we did in the 60s.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine that we got there in the 60s and we're talking about Elon Musk and the Starlink and all that stuff and that group SpaceX can't get there today, right the?
Speaker 1:technology in all of computers has progressed so quickly and yet we could do it then and can't now. But then there's. There's these belts of radiation just outside of our atmosphere, called the Van Allen belts. According to NASA and scientists, we can't get through there because there's too much radiation. Yep. So how did we in the sixties? Cause you have to get through them to get to?
Speaker 2:I actually saw a video the other day and it was showing footage of like the rover on the moon, like in the 2020s or whatever. And then the footage from the 60s of like a car driving on the moon, like come on now, yeah.
Speaker 1:This is a bit far-fetched Then me and Brad talked about it before and he's like you can't tell me that they we have terrible cell phone reception. I mean, you talk about this all the time 2024 phone calls drop all the time, every time you drive through the area. And yet they live streamed the moon landing, both video and audio. And you're going to say that like come on Listen.
Speaker 2:The wind blows the wrong way. My YouTube TV cuts out Correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and yet we streamed from the moon Like that's. That's one of those two. It's like explain it to me If, if it legitimately happened and we have all these things, cool, but you got to do a better explanation. Yeah, so in school, they teach it to you and you're just like yep, we landed on the moon.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh yeah, and you get older and you're like childhood life.
Speaker 1:Well, that's dumb Like how. How could we have done that?
Speaker 2:That's just not possible. That, honestly, some of that comes from technology Cause used to there wasn't a way to kind of second guess what you learned in school.
Speaker 1:No, of course not.
Speaker 2:And now there's so much other information out there which, uh, good or bad, there's a lot of information out there.
Speaker 1:There's too much information out there. There's too much information out there like there's just for everything there's. You get information overload. I mean, we see it all the time out here at the, at the driving range, these guys are like yep, watch the youtube video, I'm gonna be good. Oh yeah, it didn't help you, dude. No, like it.
Speaker 2:Just that's not how that works I remember when we put in top tracer out here and the guys would be like, hey, something, something's wrong with this.
Speaker 1:Like I know I hit this club this far and just tell me I know there's one guy in particular that I'm thinking and he's like, I know I drive the ball at least 280, 290. Yeah, and this is telling me I hit it 250, 260. And I'm like, sorry, can't be right. Like what's the the background of this? This technology? They use it on the pga tour. Yeah, like they set it up at every place. Pretty good, and top tracer, top technology, is used that alongside with trackman, at every one of the pga tour events. If it's good enough for them, it's probably good enough for a guy that can't shoot under 120.
Speaker 2:It's funny, because let's just be honest and a lot of the ranges still have, like, just the yardage markers out there, correct? You don't know if those are accurate or not, no, so they're just hitting into a field and I tell you that would be funny. I wish you know, if we had the old yardage markers still, I'd bring them up like really close and make people think they're just like bombing it out there but they'd be really easy, like put them off by like 15 yards exactly, yes, now.
Speaker 1:So it's a little different. In an area like this, an area like this, where you have so many hunters, you have so many guys that are used to shooting certain distances. In their mind they know 100, they know, they know some of those. So some of those guys would definitely notice, but your average consumer, if you move that 100 yard marker to 85 and that 250 to 220, I wouldn't know. They're gonna have no clue.
Speaker 1:Myself, I have no clue, unless you've been here a ton. And then you're just like, hey, that feels like they look different. That'd be the only way. Yeah, is it just feels that something's out of place, not that something's actually wrong. Yeah, now, it does still crack me up, top tracer. I mean, they spend millions of dollars to get this technology right and we have some of these older guys that come out here with a range finder still shooting the poles to make sure that the distance is exact.
Speaker 2:Some of them won't use it either, Cause they're just like.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't need that. They're a little scared of it though. But again, these, these 80 year olds, I can't imagine the stuff that they've lived through, like the technology boom they've lived through, cause like I mean, I remember growing up in school. I can remember when computers started to get put in classroom and internet became a big thing. You know because in like kindergarten. I can remember typing on a typewriter.
Speaker 2:Six sixth grade, I took a typing class with a typewriter.
Speaker 1:See like when I was in middle school, we were on computers already.
Speaker 2:And again, I don't feel, I'm not even 40 yet From the time you were, what's that?
Speaker 1:12? Something like yeah, so we'll say the last 30 years basically.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The amount that technology has boomed Like from when we were five to where I'm, you know, just turned 35 in January. Those 30 years, I mean cell phones were in a bag when I was a kid. Like you had the old bag phones and like the cars that had phones in them. That was super over the top. Yeah, that was like wow, you're fancy, now who you're gonna call because only like 10 people had those. So, ghostbusters, I set myself up for that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right that's the first thing. Come on, who am I gonna?
Speaker 1:good movies, man. I need to go back and watch those. Have you watched any of the ghostbusters movies? Not in a long time it's been way, cause they've got some modern ones, and they're. They're awful, are they? Yeah, it's just that that to me, is a hard, a hard series to build off of, like it's just, you, kind of, should just left it there. Left it. Yeah, they're remakes more than they are. They are, you know, actual, genuine original content. I mean netflix and everybody. It's just they're playing off of something else yeah, not, but at some point.
Speaker 1:I mean, you're never going to fully run out of ideas, but you're going to run out of some like there's. There's been plenty of movies, especially my teenage years. I can remember they were the same movie, just different actors, and they came out like the exact same time Music.
Speaker 2:it all kind of comes back around at some point or whatever but?
Speaker 1:but you build off of what's good. If something was good, you're like all right, let's try to take that idea slightly, shift it and do it again.
Speaker 2:I mean Tim Allen is a perfect example of that for me.
Speaker 1:Every show he does is the exact same. It's the same, they're the exact same.
Speaker 2:Kind of modernize a little bit, but he made a good career out of it. So it worked. But before we get too far off of golf technology yeah. Let's talk about TGL Cause. Tgl last night was their last regular season match.
Speaker 1:For those of you that have not listened, or have lived under a rock and have listened, tgl is tomorrow's golf league the tiger and Rory startup partnered with the PGA. You know.
Speaker 2:And Indoor Golf.
Speaker 1:It's a simulator golf but it is the pros playing simulator golf.
Speaker 2:To an extent it's a very different Simulator, but also the Indoor putting green and stuff.
Speaker 1:I mean imagine like a summer league on that, like a bunch of bums out there, that'd be so fun.
Speaker 2:That'd be so fun, we've all be awful I've not caught every one of them, but I've watched several and I did watch the one last night. Um, I'm really starting to enjoy it and I thought last night was good. So tiger's team got destroyed.
Speaker 1:They're so bad but I've got, I've got the standings pulled up. Tiger's team, which is the jupiter lynx, they have one win on the season.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were already out when they started last night.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the playoffs were already set before last night. Actually, I think the playoffs were already set at the beginning of the week. It was just there was a couple of seeding spots that could have changed. For two and three. It was about the only ones. Yeah, but yeah to me. If you're Tiger startup of the league, do you not stack your team to make sure you're at least in the playoffs?
Speaker 2:I would have. But what I would say? I really enjoyed watching Tiger's team last night, even in the showing. Who played for them last night?
Speaker 1:Because, kisner, we didn't play last night. So, the only reason I know. Kisner didn't play is because we didn't get a video this morning of the next Kisner shank. Because, every week he has at least one.
Speaker 2:So no, Tom Kim, Max, Homa and Tiger played, which is a good team, I said. I'm an Atlanta fan and they brought in the amateur guy that just won Glover Isn't he Glover they brought him in oh Lucas Glover glory. Yeah, he's not no not not glover, sorry, um, oh gosh, I don't know. I'll think of it a minute. It's a young kid just went on tour as an amateur oh uh, recently taylor.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I'll figure it out anyways. Uh, but so they didn't have justin thomas and and patrick cantlay okay, but tiger's team just the whole night were just, and maybe it's something to do with them. They knew they didn't have a shot to get in the playoffs.
Speaker 1:That's a hard match, when you just don't care Cause you're, like it's, already over.
Speaker 2:They were just laughing and having fun. Um Tom Kim, he hits a chip and it's like I think it's going in. Everybody thinks it's going in.
Speaker 1:he throws his club in there, twirls around and misses the hole so you know they tiger and max homer are crying, laughing so hard so tom kim had a tiger moment where tiger hits 99 instead of 199.
Speaker 2:Now tom kim's celebrating early it was so fun at, at the end of the uh, the broadcast they actually pulled up and you could go on tglcom and vote for moments of, okay, the jupiter team. That'd be fun. It was um, that of tom kim, it was tigers thinking it was 99 yards it was the one off the pin that he hit earlier.
Speaker 1:Just I mean that he hammered and it just got lucky it would have killed somebody in the audience it would have. But so that'd be like if, if you took guys like us, we can't have an audience. No, because we're putting holes in the audience. It would have. But so that'd be like if, if you took guys like us, we can't have an audience. No, because we're putting holes in the seats, like you're talking about bladed chips and we're like we are absolutely like.
Speaker 1:So some of these guys. They've been able to hit the cameras way up at the top of the screen. If we go there with some of the guys that I know that we would take to play with, they would have holes on the right and the like some of the shanks that you would see would be. It would be hilarious um the content would be so much fun.
Speaker 2:Josh allen quarterback and some of his buddies and stuff were there. They were in town on a golf trip and they asked them supposedly they were going to get to play around on it after the match yeah and somebody made a comment, he goes oh, we're covering the left and right screens.
Speaker 1:We already told him like you gotta cover those.
Speaker 2:Okay, so as long as that's an option, because, yeah, we would need it.
Speaker 1:Take those out. I would almost be like, okay, we're always gonna tee up from the front one yes, the back one's a little too much for our guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah let us do the front one but I thought the match was um really fun, like the crowd was really into it and they were booing atlanta cheering for tiger.
Speaker 1:You know Tiger could be his last match out there, like you're always going to cheer for Tiger, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean it was really loud, really fun. Celine Dion was in the audience, sung a little bit with Marty Smith and some of them A little random cool. Yeah, I mean it was really fun. So I'm excited to see what they do in the playoffs and how they build on it.
Speaker 1:So playoffs are two weeks, like they. They're skipping next week, kind of like a week off. Then they go to the week after. So you've got Los Angeles, the one seed the Bay at two, atlanta three, new York four Okay.
Speaker 2:So New York and LA will play each other.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, la versus New York, the Bay versus Atlanta, the Bay and Atlanta tied with everything, like I wonder how that everything like their points are the exact.
Speaker 2:Did the bay beat them or something? Is that how they got the seed, or um, I think they.
Speaker 1:So they've got the statistics here. The bay won more hammer throws during the year than atlanta. That's the only stat different, okay, they both have the same amount of wins, same amount of losses, same amount of points.
Speaker 2:Everything the only difference is that hammer and they've got the wins in overtime, which I don't know why they do it that way. It's a partial tiebreaker.
Speaker 1:Is that what it is? They're using it because they're trying to have as many things, because I was trying to figure out.
Speaker 2:One day I was like they don't have ties, like what is this in their record? You know, yes, and it was so wins or something.
Speaker 1:Well, so no, actually they don't even count overtime wins, those are just wins. They count overtime losses. Okay, because they're basically saying an overtime loss is better than a regular loss, gotcha by by points, because it's you at least were there, you were there yeah, you at least made it so that's kind of how they looked at it.
Speaker 1:Um, los angeles has one loss. It was in the overtime. Um, new york has three losses again. Tiger, his team is jupiter. Rory, his team is boston. Rory's team did not win all year. They are over. That's crazy. And who was on his team? Keegan, bradley, rory, let's see who else they had. They're kind of forgettable because they were just such a bad team. They didn't do anything. Yeah, such a bad team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't remember who it was Hideki Matsuyama. I don't think I ever watched him on there.
Speaker 1:R rory, adam scott and keegan bradley. Adam scott okay, yep, um again. The only thing that really makes him relevant right now is keegan bradley, because that's captain america, he's rider cup captain, so you know, we want to see that. And then, obviously, rory is rory. For most people. They're going to say that's the the the greatest of our lifetime. Yeah, because we got to see the start of his career all the way through, like tiger was already doing stuff before.
Speaker 2:Oh, I was really paying attention. So tiger made a comment to tom kim, asked him what year he's born yeah, I don't know if you saw a clip and he said I want three masters before he's like I don't I don't already won?
Speaker 1:x amount of majors before you were alive. And it's like you know people are saying well, you know, that's him knocking on Tom Kim, but at the same time I'm like Tiger. That just proves how old you are Well, like you've been around.
Speaker 2:I know, but you know, Tiger is one of the greatest and he's in the bunker talking with Tom Kim and and and TK's asking. He's like oh, so that you're talking to Tiger, right You're?
Speaker 1:telling me he's weird. So Tom Kim is such an interesting character because he's still a very young Korean kid, yeah, and they're kind of already claiming he's going to be one of the next big guys.
Speaker 1:Oh, and he's out there having fun on those events. But even on the course, like regular tournaments, he is just different to watch because he's he's more animated, he's just he has fun. He's not as he's not quite so locked in that he just kind of forgets that it's also, you know, sports are also entertainment. Yeah, he kind of plays both sides of it, which I think what makes him so likable where some of these guys, they're so locked in and just almost dead to the world that it's like I can only focus on golf. They don't care about the fans until after. You know, yeah, and it's kind of a fine line, like I get it, because golf is very that way.
Speaker 1:In any sport too, though you got to be locked in during the game to an extent, but like I don't feel like you see it quite as much with basketball and and football because there's so much time in between, like whether you're going to the bench. You know they kind of do stuff yeah, I get so it's just a little bit different, where golf is like you're by yourself, you and a caddy.
Speaker 2:Four days, like it's just such a long, arduous thing well, I you know I've said before it's hard for me to sit and watch all of it, of course, but I will make a point to start watching some of these guys that I like from tgo.
Speaker 2:That their personality came out because you started actually get to get to know him even guys like like patrick cantley, who doesn't have a ton of personality, doesn't know, but he's still been fun on these and really I think they need to do a good job of that. More than building teams for, uh, playing, they need to put the right personalities together, because they put cantley with billy horschel and justin thomas really brings it out it because horschel is like the opposite.
Speaker 1:Ofel is a guy that is just out there living his best life. He's having a great time. Jt Justin Thomas is just hilarious. He is part of that crew of Spieth and Fowler and those guys that are always taking each other's money because they're always betting on the golf course.
Speaker 1:They're always goofing off. They're legit players. They are top because they're always betting on the golf course. They're always goofing off, but they're legit players. I mean, they are top tier guys. So it's fun to watch them when you actually get to see their personality and not just, hey, you know, they're dead to the world. Like I said before, you know, just playing golf. Well, that's him being there last night.
Speaker 2:Billy Horschel there last night. He even made a do with the hammer. He's like they always did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was like I'm not in charge, so he actually.
Speaker 2:FaceTimed Justin Thomas on the thing one time and then the announcer was like I guarantee Patrick Cantlie ain't answering your FaceTime right now. He's not.
Speaker 1:No, he's definitely not.
Speaker 2:But of the ones I've seen and I've seen several of them, not all of them. I've seen several of, and the most fun, even though it was a blowout.
Speaker 1:I think we'll see a lot of fun in the playoffs because of the teams that are there. I hope so. Because Los Angeles has been a lot of fun to watch lately, and so has Atlanta. So I think when you actually get those guys to me, that's who I want to see in the finals. I want to see LA and Atlanta.
Speaker 2:Oh, I do too, Because I feel like that would just be a for Atlanta. I guess I'm just concerned because it's the first year that they might change some stuff up, and I don't want to go buy something yet.
Speaker 1:So I can't imagine the guys on Atlanta will leave, like those guys all seem like they're just enjoying it too much.
Speaker 2:They do, but I don't know, maybe they add more teams. I think there's some other teams that we see, some switching.
Speaker 1:I think we see live guys in it next year because, like Bryson's already been or, excuse me, brooks has already been over hanging out with the guys. Um, bryson is possibly the biggest name in all of golf right now because of what he's doing on YouTube. He's the only person that has left for live that we're all like, man, I wish he was here. I wish he was back, like that's the one guy everybody's like. We want him back.
Speaker 2:See, I always liked watching him and John Rahm. John Rahm has kind of just disappeared at this point.
Speaker 1:He has he's just almost non-existent.
Speaker 2:Do you think that was part of his decision, Like he kind of wanted that Because he was really in the limelight? I think when you get enough zeros on the back of the check you kind of.
Speaker 1:And again, Brooks made a comment just the other day. Brooks Koepka said my career could end at any time. I can get in a car wreck. Today I can do this. I can never play golf again. So when they gave me that much, money.
Speaker 2:I don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have to take it I don't have to try anymore.
Speaker 2:And not that he doesn't care, because I mean he's still trying to go win majors, he things, but but it does take some pressure away it takes a lot of it away you can have fun with it instead of feeling like I have to go earn money which, again, it's really hard talking about money when it comes to golf, because all those guys they make so much.
Speaker 1:I mean sponsorships alone. Some of the smallest patches on their shirt or hat is, you know, fifty to a hundred thousand dollars for the year, like one of those is covering their travel budget for the year. So it's really really hard to be like, well, they're not making it.
Speaker 2:That's what I never can tell, cause they make a lot of money but they do travel a lot. They do pay a lot of expensive, they practice a lot. They have several coaches, you know. They're there a lot of times, you know your your big days before the tournament.
Speaker 1:Lower end guys, especially like your Corn Fairy Tour, which is basically the minors for PGA Tour golf For those of you that don't know even the winners of those tournaments, they're not making that much money, so you really have to have some people investing in your life to get you to some of those points. So for the guys that have really made it, very few are coming directly out of college straight to PGA Tour and just running great careers. Yeah, you see a few of them, but most of these guys now because golf has gotten so good across the board where we talk about it. Tiger would still be fairly dominant at this day and age, but I don't think Tiger would have been what he was in the 90s, early 2000s if his career started now.
Speaker 2:Just because these guys are so much better, the talent pool is so deep. So the guy I was talking about, nick dunlap dunlap, that's right. Yep, yeah, he's the one yeah, he won last year.
Speaker 1:As an amateur couldn't accept the money, turned pro like the day after he won. Yep, um, we did just see. For the second time ever, though. Uh, luke clinton I don't know if you've seen anything about him, luke clanton he's a junior at Florida State has earned his PGA Tour card. He was refusing to turn pro until he earned his card, and he just earned it the other day at this last tournament. So it was one of those programs that, after live the PGA Tour, it was like all right, what else can we do to help push some of these young guys? Because some of the young guys actually left.
Speaker 2:But he could have turned pro before that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean he had like four straight top 10 finishes. Oh okay, he was like I mean he's top 50 in the world and he was an amateur.
Speaker 2:Like he was ahead of so many guys. I think I would have just took it and went on.
Speaker 1:But for him he was like I want to guarantee that I've got status, because if I go and just go off of sponsor exemptions and then start playing bad. I'm kind of out, so this is a more secure option Because if he was going to go pro, then he had to leave college.
Speaker 2:See, I can never follow college, or not just college, but golf in general from college to the pro, to how you become on tour. There's so much going on there.
Speaker 1:But it's one of the sports that is the hardest to follow, whether it's rankings, points, standings, whatever and they've got to figure out how to simplify it. Like we've said for the playoffs, playoffs make no sense the way they lead to it and the way they do. Everything they need to simplify it and just make it easier to follow, make the fans happy. March Madness style Top 32 golfers Down to one Match play.
Speaker 2:Match play Finish it.
Speaker 1:They definitely need some other events of teams and match play and stuff like that, yes, I think that kind of stuff you know play off of this TGL stuff, do what Liv's doing To an extent, the team stuff that Liv is doing is fantastic, mm-hmm, like they're making some guys get a name for themselves, not as an individual but as a team, so they're I mean they're doing trades. I mean they're literally like treating it like a big-time sports league.
Speaker 2:Every sport has like a um all-star game. Yeah Well, let's throw right in the middle of season, do an all-star or something and team them up and just go out for fun, for charity, for whatever Right. Let's have fun with it, have the fans come, you can do some cool stuff. A big fan of it.
Speaker 1:I would almost like take some of the stuff that the pro bowl is now, where they do some skills competitions, have some teams, like whatever you want to do, I wouldn't want to do it more like Ryder Cup was like America versus the world. I think you kind of intertwine it and you maybe even like have team captains and pick, kind of like the NBA All-Stars doing now. I think that'd be good. Then do some long drive, do close to the pin, just do some fun stuff that they would have a lot of fun with, but then at the end let's do a bunch of 2v2 matches and, like this team won, they're gonna win x amount of millions of dollars for the charities that they choose let's.
Speaker 2:I know that'd be so much fun. I know you're not a nascar fan, but nascar has an all-star race in the middle season, right, and to get in, there's certain you know if you've won races. But then they have like a race so you can race your way into it, okay, and they have a fan vote that can vote in one driver who didn't make it.
Speaker 1:How many get into into it, do you know? Or a roundabout even.
Speaker 2:Well, it depends on who's been winning, but I think it's roughly that 20, a little over 20. It's about half the field, so they don't flood the field with people.
Speaker 1:No, it's still pretty prestigious to get in. It is Gotcha. Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then if you didn ways, and I think it would get fans involved, it would, you know, do a lot of stuff well.
Speaker 1:I mean, you could very well do it kind of like the rider cup does, and the fact of you can play your way onto the team if you play well enough for the season. Just like you're saying, nascar, if you're winning you're already eligible for it, if you're this, you're already eligible. But then those bottom so many you know have the fans say we want this person.
Speaker 2:we want this. You can even even have one event right before it or something that, if you place, it could be a one day. Yeah, if you place in the top whatever you're in Basically like a qualifier. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And make it a big spectacle, like a Sunday afternoon. You know, 18 hole stroke play. Yeah, if you shoot this score, you're eligible to be picked, you're in. But I would also like to see that they have guys that don't get selected.
Speaker 2:Oh, it happens I would?
Speaker 1:I would love to see schoolyard style, like you got next because you didn't get picked and like I think you could do some fun stuff with it.
Speaker 2:Well, that's where the fans could come in. Exactly so, even though I think they could make it a lot of fun. Golf as a whole does not listen to the fans but I would turn on, you know, leading up to that big all-star event, I would turn on and watch the Closer to the Pin contest, of course, and the Long Drive contest and the whatever you want, I mean trick shot or whatever you want.
Speaker 1:Let's say this for ESPN, betting rules everything anymore. You could live bet everything on that. Yeah, who's going to win the Long Drive contest?
Speaker 2:Who's going to win the long drive?
Speaker 1:contest. Who's going to win close to the pin, whether it's the team or a person, you could do so much stuff with that.
Speaker 2:I think PGA just needs to give us a call. We'll head up this All-Star event for them. I'm telling you, I would have the fans out there doing close to the pin contest. I'd have their own little fan zone where they can interact.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think there's just so many things you could do and the NBA all-star does. It's a different city every year. Yes, Like travel around, Don't don't make it always like we always go here, one year have it in Orlando, the next year you have it in Seattle, the next year you have it in you know, cause especially if you do it mid season, it's going to be fairly good weather about everywhere. So you kind of have your your choice. But even then you could showcase some really nice courses in areas that may not quite be PGA tour level, Like they can't quite host these big events, but they could host some stuff like that.
Speaker 2:And make the ticket price decent, where your average fan can get in.
Speaker 1:That's where they wouldn't do that. I can already tell you they would fail at that. It would be expensive.
Speaker 2:But the idea would be to bring in new fans and get people excited, so you can't overprice it.
Speaker 1:Um, a PGA tour as a whole, though, is just not. That's not about knocking club off. You about knocked the whole rack off.
Speaker 2:That was the whole different ball game. I got a whole rack of clubs behind me and I thought they were going to tumble down.
Speaker 1:But the PGA tour they they're not great at listening to fans. They're kind of like we do things this way. You know things of that nature.
Speaker 2:Well, for those that don't know, we're opposite. So if anybody's got any ideas, please let us know.
Speaker 1:Like we said, whether it's with the podcast, whether it's with the range or whatever, like, if you've got a cool idea, we like it, we will roll with it, I promise.
Speaker 2:In today's society, like we talked, in tune with your fans and your audience, or you'll lose them and the NBA is such a bad product right now.
Speaker 1:We talked about it, so there, there's some good things happening in the NBA. I do think that there's some relevance happening to it. That's that's good. Again, I'll I'll go back to what I said a few weeks ago Luca being traded to the Lakers is good for the NBA.
Speaker 2:I haven't watched it. How's LeBron been with that?
Speaker 1:LeBron's LeBron. Okay, he takes the ball out of the best player's hand because he's not the best player on that team. Yeah, like I don't care what you say, a 40-year-old LeBron is not better than a Luka in his prime, it's just reality, that's with most players.
Speaker 1:I don't think LeBron, in my current state I am better than him. He's going to say that he is, but in reality I'm like in your head, you know better. Let's not be delusional. So, yes, I do think that by taking the ball out of Luka's hands as much as he is currently, they've got to fix some things. But since the Luka trade, they're now second in the West. I mean, they're winning their record. Since he got there, I think they've lost maybe one or two games Two, I know of two.
Speaker 2:You know, sometimes that re-energizes that player too. It does. He's going somewhere new. Absolutely, didn't even realize he was being traded and now he's like okay, there we go, but he's in a bigger market.
Speaker 1:He's probably having the time of his life. Now, what's interesting, the Lakers have played really, really well lately. They've won seven straight eight and two in their last 10. They're still 10 and a half games behind the Thunder in first place, so they were doing horrible before Luka got there. No, the Thunder is that good this year. Oh, okay, as far as like the Thunder are 50 and 11 right now, Like that's just crazy, that's just crazy.
Speaker 2:Who's their star?
Speaker 1:Shea Gilders, I was going to say SGA there. That's right. Yeah, SGA is a stud too, man. He's fun to watch.
Speaker 2:I mean, he did come from Kentucky. What do you?
Speaker 1:expect. Most of their guys have not done that.
Speaker 2:They've got a lot of good NBA players. They do. I'm not saying they don't. They didn't go to college as much, no, I would say that's the thing, is what?
Speaker 1:they are now but even SJ was not what he is now in college.
Speaker 2:No no.
Speaker 1:Same way with Devin Booker. Devin Booker was not this in college. Like these guys are superstar status.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say Kentucky got them on the right path and then they, you know, finished it off in the NBA.
Speaker 2:I can't really I, I'm curious, though you know we've said this when you go to the NBA now it's your job and you don't have to worry about class and all the other things going on. And you're getting older, you're maturing, working harder, presumably, and all kinds of stuff If somebody like SGA you know he was only there one year, correct. He was only a starter half of the season, correct If somebody like him stays four years out of college, he as good as if he just went on the nba and just got good there. Or does college hold these guys back a little bit because of class and all the other things they have to deal with all?
Speaker 1:right, let's just really say what we're all thinking. Class don't mean nothing to those guys. Well, like you're right like I mean look how many schools have been have gotten in trouble for fake majors, and I mean car, mean Carolina. Yeah, hand up, we did it. Yeah, like there's stuff that, and you'll have a lot of these guys like look, we're not here to go to school, we're here to play ball.
Speaker 2:Like that's what they're there for With the NIL stuff, would you be okay, just saying I don't care if you go to class or not. You're coming here to play or football or whatever the sport is, Because I would, I would be okay with it If you want to go major in basketball, I've had it.
Speaker 1:I just think that's such a different thing At that point it needs to be its own separate thing, because if you're going to school like you're going to this school, you should at least go to school, right.
Speaker 2:What's the point? Who's to say you're not going to the basketball school?
Speaker 1:You're going to learn basketball well, but that's its own separate thing, though, too like if you're like I'm going to basically. My major is basketball yeah, I'm okay with that's its own separate thing though that would be something that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2:So what do you do? You, uh, major in basketball and minor in what? Sports management, or something, something else in sports.
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe you should minor in sports medicine. Keep yourself healthy.
Speaker 2:I don't know nutrition or something I don't know. Maybe you should minor in sports medicine and keep yourself healthy.
Speaker 1:I don't know, nutrition or something I don't know, I'm not sure what you'd major in.
Speaker 2:But I'm okay with that because I feel like any other career, you can just say I want to go major in this. I'm going to learn how to do that.
Speaker 1:That would be creating another thing, though. Like, like I was saying, like not even not a reality, like, yeah, you should have to because because even then in the NBA, yes, your sole job is that, with the exception, there are certain things you have to do. There's going to be showings that you have to go do signings, you have to go do photographs. In reality, the class isn't much different. Like, you got to show up to the class, you got to do certain parts of it, you got to do now again but teach them that, instead of sending them to science, let's do media training, but that's that's making its own separate thing.
Speaker 1:If we do that, sure it makes sense.
Speaker 2:Do that.
Speaker 1:Sure, it makes sense. The problem is, I think you would have a lot of people try to do that and never have a shot.
Speaker 2:But couldn't you? Oh no, I agree, that would be the issue. But I could go try to be a doctor if I want, even though I probably don't have a shot at it.
Speaker 1:Freedom of America. That's what I'm saying. Go try what you want.
Speaker 2:So I kind of feel that way. You'd be like oh no, you need a backup plan, just in case it don't work. Well, we don't do that with anything else.
Speaker 1:If you go do it and it don't work, you figure it out. But it's the same way like for everyday people. In school you should learn how to balance a checkbook. You should learn how to do taxes Like that should be part of it. You don't learn that until you go figure it out after, like you don't learn that in high school or college. It makes no sense. I agree with that. So, yes, I mean I think we should do some more common sense things like a guy like um. We'll take, say, sga, even if all he does is stay as a Kentucky for one year. But he went to media training and he went to.
Speaker 1:You know how to manage an agent and how to finances which man fired his agent. It's manage an agent and how to finances which you know man fired his agent. It's he's genius. He fired his agent completely. He's getting ready to go into a contract negotiation. Just by not having an agent, he's going to save 12 million dollars. Oh my gosh, if he gets a max contract, which everybody expects he will, he's going to save 12 million but that's obviously him or somebody else in his circle is smart enough, they don't need the agent uh, from the sound of it was him like from all the stuff that I've read, it's like he's.
Speaker 1:He's just he knows the stuff like he, he can handle himself like it's and that's good.
Speaker 2:Good for him, because a lot of a lot of these players get taken advantage of by very much so, because they don't understand or don't know yes, I agree with that. So no, I'm 100 with that. I just think they should have the option just like every other student, because they talk about how athletes have better options than other students, whether it's you know, they're getting money. That was a big thing for a while. Well, they can't get money when the science students ain't getting money, and but very, very different things.
Speaker 1:No, no, I agree it is. It's such a hard thing to argue that.
Speaker 2:If that, and you think you got what it takes, go ahead. If you fail, then you got to figure it out after that. But I'm all for that.
Speaker 1:No, but if they made it to that point and there was actually like, unfortunately you still kind of have to have a curriculum just to make it make sense. But again you're talking about, like I said, media training and managing your circle and just the stuff that when they send them to these rookie camps they have these old guys come in and say, hey, here's how I messed up, trying to make my same mistakes, like, and you're just learning all that stuff but actually really putting it to use there. And then, not only that, the connections that some of these places could make, because you know, if Kentucky brings back, we'll say like a guy like John Wall who's not doing anything anymore.
Speaker 2:That's coming to my mind too.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but you bring him back and he's like yeah, like you're majoring in this, but just know that you may need something else.
Speaker 2:Like yes, for sure, like that's just still talking about it because he's he's.
Speaker 1:He made a ton of money like he's good, he's fine, but there's a lot of guys that go blow it that aren't going to be good because of that these, these kids are going to college.
Speaker 2:And I say kids, they're adults when they go to college, I mean we, we send them to military and everything else at that age, so they're adults in my mind. Um, they're, they're going there and they're staying like one year. Yeah, the really good ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the top tier guys.
Speaker 1:They're staying less in that training than if I go to like a trade school for two years or something like that, which is just crazy to me that you know if you're going to do that, you're going to throw hundreds of millions of dollars at some of these kids that come from literally nothing. So those, some of those kids and all a lot of these kids have done fantastic and again we're saying kids but a lot of these guys have done really well managing their money, but they're like I would never need anything, ever again. Um, you know, on one of these podcasts recently I'm on Shumpert was on there. He's like and I didn't make the most out of most of these guys. He said but I didn't spend a single penny of my checks. He said I was doing everything off of the other stuff I was getting living off of and he's like now.
Speaker 1:He's like I'm doing real estate, I'm doing like he's doing now. So, but why not bring a guy like that in to explain to these guys, like here's how you can do it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like those guys would be great professors, if you want to call them for for athletes.
Speaker 1:I mean bringing, bringing a guy like Kevin Garnett, who is not necessarily the guy that you'd be like oh, let's have him talk to a bunch of, you know, teenager, but he's got the experience he literally went from high school to the nba and was super successful, yeah, so yeah, like a guy like that would help a ton.
Speaker 2:There's limits on your eligibility in college sports, correct? I don't know if I even love that fact, but regardless, there's not limits on the education side, the academic side. So if you go and you're there a year and it ain't working out, you're there two years, three, and you, just you, just, okay, I'm going to make it. Well, you can always just go jump in school. Correct, like it's not, like it's taken from you. You just took you a little longer because you tried something else first. Just like if I went to be a doctor and I went two or three years and it didn't work and I jumped out and did something else.
Speaker 1:I mean we years. So was it something big or just a little at a time? No, like they, they went and couldn't figure out what they want to do and switch majors a few times and then finally figure out what they want to do and basically it was. It was not really the major they wanted, but it was like I just got to graduate. I got a guy, so it took him eight years, yeah, but, like you said, there's no limit on the college side of it. So you went for three years to play basketball and realized either I had some injuries or I'm just not developing the way I thought I can't go to the ma either figure out I'm gonna be done and go play overseas, or now I'm gonna transition and do life, do some regular thing.
Speaker 1:Cool good for you. You still have the option correct and yeah, so I'm not against it. It's just there'd be some hoops to jump through with it, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Oh there is Trying to figure it all out.
Speaker 1:But no, I don't think it's a bad idea, I really don't. But again, talking about the NBA yeah, 82 games. It'll get really exciting here soon, like as we get to the playoffs. It gets way, way better.
Speaker 2:How far are we in now? I don't even know. I can tell you, last time I watched an NBA game.
Speaker 1:They're above 60.
Speaker 2:So we got 20 games left.
Speaker 1:We're getting there, yeah, because I know they're always over the summer. Like you see the playoffs over the summer.
Speaker 2:I probably won't even watch any of the first little bit of the playoffs.
Speaker 1:I like watching the playoffs. I'll definitely watch the playoffs. I've got to get further into it. I've watched a little more, like I said, nba this year than I have in past. I've just kind of gotten another hit of wanting to really watch basketball, so that's kind of what's happened. So I'm watching a ton more college basketball because I'm always watching college basketball but then watching some NBA.
Speaker 2:All right, I've like almost zero NBA this year, right? So I know you haven't watched a ton. From what I understand, mm-hmm who's in the finals Oof? I mean, it sounds like Thunder has got a really good shot on what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Potentially so. The Thunder play really good team basketball. They move the ball well. They they move the ball well. They can do a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2:The problem is the NBA wants the Lakers there, especially with the straight brother.
Speaker 1:I have a feeling they want them there, so I'm not saying that they're going to force it or they're going to do anything.
Speaker 2:I think you just said that. I think you did.
Speaker 1:But I do think, though, they're a tough team. They're very deep now.
Speaker 2:Have they played each other yet since lucas was over? Um, I do not know, actually just curious how that went. You know if they did. But well.
Speaker 1:So if they did, they have.
Speaker 2:I do think the nba doesn't yet okay, I do think the nba does a better job with their um, you know, playoffs and what being series. That's the one knock. I have on college basketball.
Speaker 1:They'll start with a five-game series and then you know they go in and then you finally get to sevens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do like that format better. Now, I just don't see a way you could do that in college, but I do like that format better to get the best team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they still argue. A lot of people still argue the best team doesn't win. Possibly, yeah, but they still argue. A lot of people still argue the best team doesn't win possibly. I mean, I'm again, I'm not a big nba guy, but no, I think I have a better shot. I can look like. I don't think anybody would legitimately say dirt. Novitsky's dallas team was better than lebron wade and bosh of the heat and they shouldn't have been whipped them like it was like 4-1 but you know again, like you just mentioned, if team basketball is better than your stars sometimes, so um it just depends.
Speaker 1:I mean because because, again, if you looked at the playoffs that year for the Mavericks, nobody had them going because of the teams they had to beat. They had to beat the Thunder who had Westbrook, katie and Harden at the time.
Speaker 2:That's good, they had to beat Kobe.
Speaker 1:They had to beat the Thunder who had Westbrook, katie and Harden at the time. They had to beat Kobe and Paul I actually watched it some back then. They had to beat a Kobe-Laker team. They had to beat a Duncan Spurs team. They went through it. That was probably the best playoff run I've possibly ever seen.
Speaker 2:For them to beat all those teams. You don't think that says they're this they just got hot at the right moment. Is that what?
Speaker 1:it is A big part of it. They just got hot at the right moment Because they other than Dirk, like they didn't have a top tier player.
Speaker 2:But the series like you can't just go have one good game and knock somebody off who had a bad game.
Speaker 1:No, but I mean momentum. It does play a big part in stuff, though. Like again, Again, if it was a little bit later in the season and we see the Lakers win 15 straight, some momentum going in. Whether they're number one or number five, they're going to have some momentum going into it. So I think that does play a big part, because you'll see some teams number one seed going to the playoffs and then they kind of have a lackluster last 10 games and then they go and just kind of lose it.
Speaker 2:They lose the magic that was there all season I'm gonna make you back up who you got in the, because I don't know, I don't know anything about it, I'm I'm gonna say, it's celtics lakers okay, old school rivalry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was gonna say that'd be now that the celtics is the most boring team in the nba, they, they, they have no personnel like tatum and brown, like they're just not exciting players, unfortunately, because that's what the NBA is now. It's just exciting. Both are unbelievable. Celtics are a fantastic team, lakers are a little more flashy, but still, but I think that would probably make a really good series. The two best teams currently are Cleveland and OKC. You're not drawing numbers, let's just be real. Like TV numbers that's not exciting. Like Cleveland and Oklahoma City two small markets that might be fun to watch though. So true basketball fans.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like the hardcore NBA guys. No.
Speaker 2:I can probably get behind that more than just trying to get the flashy teams.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just TV-wise, like statistics, numbers. The NBA doesn't want that to be the finals.
Speaker 2:Well, that's every sport. It is a business Small markets.
Speaker 1:If you can tell me, it's going to be Boston, one of the biggest markets in the country, versus LA, the biggest market in the country. You're just going to have more views, just naturally it's going to happen. You have Oklahoma City and Cleveland, two basically middle of nowhere teams, or nowhere cities. The LA.
Speaker 2:Boston. Like I might want to watch it just for the old school feel, Just because it brings back some nostalgia from back in the day.
Speaker 1:I mean like thinking about the rivalry that it was Now. We talked about this before we started the podcast today the rivalries that you used to see in the NBA, which if they could somehow figure out how to get that back, would be fantastic. But we've kind of been sending each other some clips back and forth this week. Part of the reason the NBA is not in a good place, and one of those videos said it perfectly everybody likes each other. Everybody's friends they do. Nobody has any real beef with anybody.
Speaker 2:And that's what made Michael and Kobe so different. Correct the mentality, but I mean again.
Speaker 1:Magic and Larry and Isaiah and all those guys. They legitimately had hate towards other people they did.
Speaker 2:You know that's what draws me to college. Sometimes some of these rivalries in college.
Speaker 1:Well, but like Carolina Duke, regardless of the records, that's going to be a rivalry. There's hate there. There is true, pure hatred. Kentucky Duke, same way Kentucky.
Speaker 2:Louisville.
Speaker 1:Kentucky, Louisville, same way Kentucky, Carolina.
Speaker 2:there's rivalry but there's no true bad blood.
Speaker 1:It's rivalry. It's a big, big game, but there's no we truly hate that other person. There are some fans that do, because of some recent NCAA Luke May hitting a shot, but even then it's not. It wasn't big enough that it's like we just truly hate that team. It's a little bit different. But, yeah, there's some really really good college rivalry still that the NBA just doesn't have.
Speaker 2:I want to see that in the NBA.
Speaker 1:I just don't know how we get it back, though. In your opinion, how do we get that back?
Speaker 2:I don't know because I think part of the reason is all the trades. You're always moving around and playing with these different guys. It's not like you're staying on a team for 10 years and you can just legitimately hate the other guy who's been there for 10 years.
Speaker 1:But unfortunately, though, those are the players that are ruling. That I know Like that's that's the issue.
Speaker 2:I don't know that you're ever going to have that.
Speaker 1:They're they are team shopping. So much. Instead of having that, I'm proud to be where I am Like. Larry was never leaving, magic was never leave. Exactly, jordan only went to washington because, after he had retired, been gone for a while.
Speaker 2:Really, the bulls didn't need him no, when he was playing for the bulls, he was not going anywhere else, lord, it didn't matter what happened kobe was going nowhere.
Speaker 1:No, like those guys were. This is my team, but now like luca.
Speaker 2:Okay, it doesn't matter how much he hated la or the lakers, he's now playing for him. So you can't have that a hate.
Speaker 1:That was a little bit different, though, because he didn't choose that one, I know, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It happened so much, though.
Speaker 1:But I mean somebody like LeBron. I mean, he's been to Cleveland twice he's been to Miami, now he's in LA.
Speaker 2:Look at all the different guys he's played with.
Speaker 1:He's shopped to get himself honest. I mean, he went to play with two Hall of Famers in Wade and Bosch to go get those championships. That's what he did.
Speaker 2:Even though the hatred isn't there in the players. Do you think the fans still have it, or is that what they're losing also?
Speaker 1:No, I don't think the fans have it, because they're just watching the. They're feeding off what the players are doing, so why would they? I agree Again with everybody changing you can't hate players, yeah, so it's really hard to, because at any given moment, like you said, they're going to be on your team.
Speaker 2:How do you hate it?
Speaker 1:Really probably the only hatred you truly see. Most people don't like Draymond Green.
Speaker 2:A lot don't like Draymond Green.
Speaker 1:I don't like Draymond Green A lot don't like Draymond Green. I don't mind him. But the older guys will say Draymond is what the old NBA used to be.
Speaker 2:He might take it too far.
Speaker 1:He causes heat, he causes beef, he causes all of these things. So he's one of those that people are like if you had more of that, then maybe, maybe you could get it back.
Speaker 2:It's just gonna be really hard, I think he does take some stuff too far, but he at least has some passion, some energy he's has. Um, I don't want to say hatred, but you know that rivalry against me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's that, like that lines. But yeah, I don't know again, I don't know what the nba truly needs to do to get some fire back to it, but they need to do something. Like I said, it's not in a good place. You sent me a video the other day and, like I said, it sent me down a rabbit hole. I watched your video that you sent me and it's two teams going back and forth In that video. They missed what eight, threes.
Speaker 2:In like 30 seconds.
Speaker 1:I don't remember that it was just running up and down the court. They're running up and down the court taking deep shots, and then I leave that video and go and they're talking you know some of the old guys, and even you know on Paul George's podcast he talks about the NBA right now was ruined because of analytics, because everything is efficiency, everything is numbers based. So they're saying well, a three-point shot is smarter than the two-point shot and well, they're easy for these guys too, anymore like well, but even then it's like they're saying it's smarter because it's worth more and you may shoot a lower percentage.
Speaker 1:But if you have 10 of these, first 20 of these, like look where it equals out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it works out so it's, it's just such a I saw somebody ask, uh, the commissioner the other day about moving the three point line back and basically getting rid of the corner. Let's let it kind of terminate into the benches, kind of right. And he was, you know. His response is something like well, you know, we don't want to make a knee-jerk move, we want to kind of figure out what the real solution is and not just go moving stuff. And I'm glad of that because I don't want them to just start changing stuff just on a whim to see what works. Remove it, just go back to the two. I'm all for that, let's do it.
Speaker 1:No, I mean so again, can we just start that right now? When you look at, when you look at, like jordan, what jordan used to say I don't want to be a three-point specialist, because then you know what to do against me. Like you have to do it all Like they were. But he was shooting, but that's when they play average but he averaged one, three, a game and you're like, oh gosh, that's awful. He only shot five, like I don't even think he averaged. I think his average was shooting for a game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 25% of all your career threes.
Speaker 1:Over all of his career he shot like 30 something percent. So again he's not top tier three point shooter. But that's not what his game was Like, we all know that. But now these guys like what? What somebody like Curry is doing? I mean, two thirds of his shots are threes, if not more.
Speaker 2:Well, and what he's doing as guys start play out on him? He's moving further and further back and just taking them from further away.
Speaker 1:Well, that was going to be my statement when you said you know, if they move the line back, most of these guys aren't shooting at the line, they're shooting from the logo, like unless you're going to move it back, like that I mean it's just, and maybe if you do move it back, the analytics will change and you'll see that it's not as good of a shot for some of the threes, fours and fives. You know your small forwards, power forwards and centers, because right now everybody can shoot.
Speaker 2:But then do they all just go to the basket and just stay in under the goal all the game, because that could get boring too.
Speaker 1:So I think it's going to depend. I mean, if it's still spread out and they're attacking. But if that corner three isn't there and they take a long two, defense analytics would say, okay, let them take a long two because it's not really hurting you. So I mean, maybe that would help. I mean that I could see has potential.
Speaker 2:I wish they'd try something, but I don't know exactly what it is. But I think a lot of it comes back to the players. Like we said, there's no hatred. They're all buddies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I mean they're showing up to each other's podcast during the season. They're doing all these things like during the season, that's, there's no fire there.
Speaker 2:Well, we talked about defense. Yeah, kobe and Michael hated people so much that you're not scoring on me, correct? And you don't see that. It's just different mindset. This is my buddy.
Speaker 1:We're playing a game, well, but you'll see a lot of people will say that about the All-Star game. The All-Star game is led by the stars, so when Kobe and Jordan were there, they were going to push everybody to be better. They're going to push you to play harder, so that's why the All-Star game was fun to watch. Now there's also no hatred there, like because it was east and west jordan still did not like those west guys. I want to beat those west guys. Kobe felt the same way about the east.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be the better side is there any um reward, I guess, for winning that all-star game? I mean?
Speaker 1:I think that makes money now because.
Speaker 2:But even money doesn't mean anything to most of these guys, so you've got to have something. No, I.
Speaker 1:But again like the way they're doing it now, like they're picking teams and they're all mixed in, like they can do that now because they don't care yeah like they're all.
Speaker 2:They're all friends well, let's get over to basketball that we we actually enjoy a little bit more well, we started at the beginning of the podcast and we kind of we shifted we're coming full circle. See, it's so good we started it and we're comfortable back back around.
Speaker 1:Maybe end with it, we'll see um yeah, so, like I said earlier, carolina plays their last game saturday. Most teams maybe have a game over the next couple of days and then saturday is pretty much the end of regular season and you'll see some of the small leagues will start conference tournament like summer, sunday or monday, like early, it'll early because there's some of those that finish Tuesday Wednesday.
Speaker 2:I'm excited in a weird way, cause I don't know if I've ever been excited like this for selection Sunday. I don't know why I'm so excited about that this year. This season has been wild. Maybe there's been, I don't know who it's going to be.
Speaker 1:So Brian does a fantastic job. He posts the big games of the day every, every single day on on Facebook.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not amused.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on the non amused podcast page on Facebook he is always posting a schedule of games to watch, whether it's college, whether you know he posted the NASCAR stuff on there. You know we're, we're kind of stretching everything. Yeah game putting it out there. Well, every time he puts one that it's a ranked versus unranked, it's a big game, I'm like probably gonna be an upset.
Speaker 2:It just feels like it this year and I done it last night. Even late last night, before I went to bed. I find myself scrolling through the espn app to look at the scores, to see who upset who.
Speaker 1:See the upsets because there's always upset. It just feels more common every day, yeah, um. So let's see auburn got beat last night auburn didn't just get beat, auburn got manhandled last night like it was supposedly the best team in the country.
Speaker 1:They did not look good last night. Let's just be honest, they they looked vulnerable and again. But I said this a few weeks ago a loss right now doesn't hurt you that bad, because a loss right now you learn some things and you then you can go and say, all right, here's our big push and we're going to make a big run, so it's it doesn't make you think different about them.
Speaker 2:You still think the best team they just had off night. Because that's kind of what the tournament is you have off night, you get beat easy I think auburn is one of the best teams.
Speaker 1:I don't know that. I would just put them as the overall best team. They have just felt the most consistent across the year. A lot of the other teams, the SEC you've not seen true consistency. I mean, I know we say, well, there's so many ranked teams, it's hard, you still show some consistency. It's what.
Speaker 2:I said against Kentucky, kentucky has, if not the most, one of the most wins against top-ranked teams.
Speaker 1:And then one of the most losses against unranked, but then lost all kinds of teams they shouldn't have lost to Now.
Speaker 2:I saw a stat because I watched a Kentucky game last night. They beat LSU and just destroyed them. Lsu is horrible.
Speaker 1:LSU is awful.
Speaker 2:But I didn't realize this. Kentucky basketball has only played seven games with their full roster because they've had injuries all year long. Now I'm not making that excuse because I still don't think they would have been the number one team if they had the whole roster, but it's just crazy to think. And now that's every team's going through that of course, yeah, but you don't think about that when you, when you see teams records, you don't go back and go okay, who was hurt, who was here, you know what team was out. Um, and that plays so much more part than people realize and if you can get your team healthy in the tournament to make that run healthy in the tournament, what matters?
Speaker 1:be a huge, huge difference well, I I got a little bit surprised because I was looking through some scores from last night and I thought I was on the wrong tab. I thought I was on the NBA because it was 113 to 100, and I'm like, hang on, that's not college.
Speaker 2:Who's that? I think I saw that Arizona, arizona State. Okay, well, that's still out west.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but still, I was just very surprised. I was like you at all. Those guys grew up watching Curry out west Very possible Because we talked about it, byu and Iowa State went double overtime.
Speaker 2:Double overtime.
Speaker 1:And it was still 80-85.
Speaker 2:That's crazy double overtime, so that's a 50 minute game.
Speaker 1:Is it 5 minutes each?
Speaker 2:overtime. That's unreal.
Speaker 1:That's a little too much the opposite way, but it's no, but I'm okay with it Because like Memphis kind of had a tough game against UTSA 75-70.
Speaker 2:But okay. So the I'm curious now, the 88-85 game in double overtime. What was the tied score at regulation in first overtime? Do you have it there?
Speaker 1:I want to make you do a little work overtime. Do you have it there? Um, it looks like 68, 68 at the end of regulation 68 68.
Speaker 2:And then what about the first overtime?
Speaker 1:it doesn't show me, oh, it doesn't show you that part. Okay, no, I mean I could go, but still.
Speaker 2:So right here so the team that won only scored 20 points in the in the two overtimes combined.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, so I mean, that's a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now you know, could that be defense, could that be, you know, lack of offense? Who knows?
Speaker 1:But I mean those teams. Again, college is not necessarily as efficient as the pros, cause you have guys that are never going to be that level. It just is what it is, but it's just more fun to watch.
Speaker 2:I think different because of that and that's what I enjoy watching well, except for alabama.
Speaker 1:Alabama plays like an nba team. Oh yeah, they're gonna jack up, because they just jack up threes every second. Yeah sorry, paul, um, but that's just the way they they're gonna live or die by the three they feel like duke from like 10 years ago, where it's like duke could literally beat anyone but could also lose to anyone, which they did in the tournament several times because they just weren't hitting shots. And that may be more like 15 years ago now, but yeah they, they were such a I'm gonna hit threes.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna hit threes yeah, like you said, these guys shooting the threes are not quite as talented. As you know, the curries and the nba stars so you know I understand why nba does it a little bit more college. I understand why they do it because that's where the game's going correct. It's hard to beat a team like that if they're hitting their threes, unless you do it too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those guys are just like you said. They're not as consistent, they're not going to hit as many. It's just the way it's going to be. But yeah, I mean I'm very excited coming in. You know, I always watch the ACC tournament. I always still watch the SEC tournament because there's so many big names in it. Big 10 tournaments to be fun, it's going to be 50-50,. Whoever wins, but, it's going to be a fun one regardless. Other than that, we did say who was it that scored 100?
Speaker 2:Purdue puts up 100 out of the Big Ten. I'm like heck that's two games worth. Y'all got to slow down. You're only allowed so many baskets in a season. Up there, I want to see different conferences play each other. I want to see the Big Ten against SEC.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm excited about when we get into the tournament and we really get to start seeing the mix again, because we haven't seen that since.
Speaker 2:so early in the season. You've seen what St John's does because apparently they're on fire. They're fantastic. I mean Patino, Rick Patino.
Speaker 1:He knows what he's doing. I would say that's the thing is. There may be some controversy that followed him. Nobody questions that he can coach, is a ball coach Like he's. He's very, very good at it. So yeah, I mean I'm I'm looking forward to to this whole next couple of weeks, like you said, into selection Sunday and then, of course, once the tournament starts. I'm not even sure if we're going to be able to record like we're going to have so many games to watch.
Speaker 2:I know we're going going to live broadcast. We'll do our commentary like we're at the game.
Speaker 1:It would be so like which game are they talking about? There's like five playing right now.
Speaker 2:No, that's what we do. We pick a good game and we're going to run a special episode of this just doing the commentary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but think about how many times between games, because you're like there's four good games happening right now yeah like close, like could be upsets, could be nail biters, like yeah, it just makes it fun no, it does.
Speaker 2:Uh, but I'm gonna call it right now duke doesn't make it to the sweet 16. Oh, sweet 16, that'll make it sweet 16. First or second round, they're out. I've just seen it too many times. This is a different duke team, because they're not living by a shot. I get it. They're playing inside out a lot because they've I've just seen it too many times.
Speaker 1:This is a different Duke team.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Because they're not living by a shot. I get it. They're playing inside out a lot because they've got so many bigs. They don't make it to 16. So you're saying, as a number one, they're going to lose first or second round. I don't see them losing to a current 16. Looking at who the projected 16s are, I don't think so either. That's why I say they can make a sweet 16. But you think the eight or nine beats them next round?
Speaker 2:I think they're done and I've seen the teams this year. The eight or nines, Eight or nines are going to be tough this year Are going to be decent. The eight or nines are going to be very tough this year. And I've seen Duke lose I don't care Final four, because it's happened, we've definitely seen it before that it's happened.
Speaker 1:We've not had any, but we've also seen it with four. So it's just weird. I do. How many do you think then?
Speaker 2:See, I don't know who the final fours are going to be or who the ones that are going to be just yet, but probably Auburn.
Speaker 1:You think at least one will be there.
Speaker 2:I think one will be there. It's either going to be Auburn or somebody we least expect. Again, I don't know who that one's going to be.
Speaker 1:just yet Looking at it currently and something could change, obviously with tournaments and all that Top four Auburn, Duke, Houston, Tennessee, I don't think it's Tennessee. They've been very up and down for me, yeah, like even some of their wins were.
Speaker 2:I watched Kentucky beat them twice and Kentucky's not a great team, right? So they have weaknesses. Are they a good team? Yes, but they got weaknesses.
Speaker 1:I honestly think if one makes it and I think one will it's probably going to be Auburn. I would like to see this, though I'd love for St John's to like sixth in the country right now. I'd love to see it.
Speaker 1:That would be funny, do you think they give it to them? When have we seen St John's been relevant, which St John's is one of those like? It's a basketball school, it's one you remember from the 80s and 90s, but we haven't seen it in a long time. So it's cool to see. At this point I'm like, alright, carolina's not very good this year. If we don't make the tournament, let's go St John's.
Speaker 2:I think St John's makes a run. Let's let them have it. I think they're going to make a run regardless of where they're at.
Speaker 1:Patino, you know the redemption arc of Patino at St John's winning another one.
Speaker 2:I think they go at least.
Speaker 1:I want to say Elite Eight. They're going lead eight team. Yeah, I mean they're just playing very, very good. Their losses none of their losses have just felt really, really bad, like even some of the teams they've lost to like they just don't feel like super bad losses.
Speaker 2:I'm the same way we was with college football, though, and I've said this before I want to see what the SEC teams do in the tournament, cause I I know we said it about football. I still think it about football. I think you know you can only take 12 teams in football. It is what it is Right. I want to see you know 9 or 10 SEC teams get in this tournament and let's see what really happens. Like, are they as good as we think? Because I think they passed the eye test for me, because I've watched a lot of SEC because of Kentucky and they passed the eye test, but now I'm not seeing them a lot against these other teams.
Speaker 1:See to me like the top five, top six, kind of pass that test. After that, I don't think they passed the test, like watching them, like some of the like. Like we said before the podcast started, texas is not a very good team. They're just not. I agree with that, and they've beaten several of those guys that are. You know, it's going to be going to be tournament teams.
Speaker 1:It's been weird and I'm just like I just don't see Again. I'm not talking about Florida, auburn, tennessee, I'm not talking about some of those top SEC teams, but kind of the Mississippi State, Ole Miss, vanderbilt, like that level I'm like they could lose first round very easily.
Speaker 2:They could, Just they could lose first round very easily. They could. But that's what I want to see is how deep is this?
Speaker 1:And again it also comes down to the draw, because when that selection happens there are sometimes not that I necessarily feel the NCAA is like, oh, we've got to protect this conference. It just feels like sometimes you'll see a team get that shouldn't probably get the easiest of whatever seed they're getting, but gets the easiest Whether it's a 13-4 or a 12-5,. It's like, man, they got the weakest 12 or the weakest 13. Because that's one of those that we always see some upsets. It feels like that 12 and 13 kind of make some of those jumps.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where they come from and the 14. And, like you said, that 8-9, you know it's kind of tough.
Speaker 2:I was sitting here looking because I thought I was right about this. So you know I watched Kentucky play Oklahoma. They beat them by one point and I don't think Oklahoma's good at all. But Oklahoma beat Louisville earlier in the year, correct. Now again that's earlier in the year. So I want to see how are these going to play out now we get to the end of the year and who's really good? Because I didn't like it as much in football not knowing who the main teams are. I kind of like it in basketball because we get to put them all in the tournament.
Speaker 1:It's different because you have a 64-team tournament.
Speaker 2:Yes, when you get that many teams in Actually 68.
Speaker 1:68, I apologize 64 of the main brackets. You have the four play-ins.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to play in for the 10th seed.
Speaker 1:Shut up, I can't stand it. So 12 seed play in. You've got like what's the point of that? I still don't get it, I hate it, I don't know. 16s let the four bottoms play in. Cool, Fine, with that. Everybody else. You're either in it or you're not.
Speaker 2:It just you know, as a fan, obviously we hope our teams will go further than we think they will, and I'm that to have surgery, so I'm curious to see where they fall. What happens? So I did pull up Bracketology on ESPN.
Speaker 1:And currently they've got what they think the 68 team bracket could look like. Your Duke claim could be close.
Speaker 2:Listen, I haven't even seen that.
Speaker 1:I'm just telling you First round against the 16, I don't think they struggle. Next game could be either UConn or Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like that could be, but see, Vanderbilt is one of those teams I'm talking about. I don't are they good or not.
Speaker 1:I can't figure it out. I don't think they're as great. They've got a couple of good wins, but again.
Speaker 2:They're 20-11. They're right there at the same level, okay, but you just said they might be able to knock off Duke and they're like 10th in the SEC. No, no, no, I'm thinking.
Speaker 1:UConn, I'm not even thinking that.
Speaker 2:Oh, I got you. I'm thinking UConn, yeah.
Speaker 1:In my mind. I don't see UConn losing to them Now. They could, because they'll make a turn. They'll be fine. They've not looked good this year.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Hurley has not felt like he was what he was last year. It just it doesn't feel the same. So, yeah, I mean it's. It's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2:Um, well he could have came to Kentucky. He decided not, to which I'm I'm really glad he didn't.
Speaker 1:Uh, I don't know what's going to happen to him over the. I mean he's going to have to. Obviously you went back to back. You tie yourself in for a long time.
Speaker 2:Like you're, you're good. Has he melded in now because of that?
Speaker 1:I can't imagine Is that the term melded in. It'd be hard to say that you have at that point.
Speaker 2:You think you'd still be on fire?
Speaker 1:Like, hey, let's, let's get three in a row. That I'm like I want to. I don't want to lose another one. I don't ever want to lose again. Like, let's keep going and doing it.
Speaker 2:Well, once you've won the championship, the only thing you can do is win another one. Like, anything less is just less than you've already done. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:It's like you know you're going to say, well, we had a good year, depending on what your roster was. I'm like, once I've won one, that's the benchmark, Like the only way I'm going to really be happy is, if I win it again, everything else is just failure, because there's nothing else below it. No, I mean, he already puts himself in elite territory by winning a back-to-back, because that happens so rarely. It's very rare.
Speaker 1:The last time we had it was Billy Donovan at Florida. It was like 2007, 2008. Uh-huh, and they did it with basically the same team. They had like nobody leave in that.
Speaker 2:So it was kind of like that's not as impressive. It was a little different.
Speaker 1:I mean it's still impressive just because at that point, like you have two years worth of film on these guys, like there's not much changing because it's the exact same squad, so it's.
Speaker 2:And everybody had a lot of the same squads back then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they weren't leading quite as often it didn't feel like, but I mean, looking at the bracket, like it could be, it could truly be madness, like we could see some craziness happen, which, again, I love it. I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2:I'm ready. Let's go right now. Let's just skip the rest of the tournaments. I don't even need conference tournaments, let's just get to the big one.
Speaker 1:The only people that need conference tournaments is the small conferences, because it determines who gets in and who doesn't.
Speaker 2:Or unless you're not going to make it to the big tournament. Well, like Carolina, if they want to make it.
Speaker 1:They need the tournament.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, that means something to them.
Speaker 1:So currently Carolina is listed as a first four. Out Blows my mind. We were a few weeks ago, but we've won six straight.
Speaker 2:Oh, you thought they were done.
Speaker 1:I still don't feel like they're that good.
Speaker 2:They're just playing better right now. That extension information came out and it's like, okay, now we got to turn it up.
Speaker 1:I'm still disappointed every time I think about it. Nope, so if they beat Duke, I think they're in. I don't think we can beat Duke. I hate to say that I just don't think we can.
Speaker 2:If they beat Duke, does it matter what they do in the tournament?
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 2:Like they could lose first game.
Speaker 1:I think Just because at that point it's like you got your marquee win while they were playing good, it's not like we're seeing Duke in a bad spell or we're seeing it early in the season.
Speaker 2:What if they? I don't even know who can lose to them.
Speaker 1:That would have to be in like the semis or the championships.
Speaker 2:Oh, so by that point they're good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because Carolina is currently fourth in the conference. It's not like they're that far down.
Speaker 2:The conference is so horrible.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Normally when you're talking to a team that's like barely going to make the tournament, they're farther down.
Speaker 1:Be in that like fourth or fifth position.
Speaker 2:So you're talking about how horrible this coach is and he's fourth in the conference. I mean, come on.
Speaker 1:In the weakest ACC in the past 20 years. He's killing it.
Speaker 2:Don't start. He's fourth right behind Duke and Louisville and Clemson, who are just awesome teams.
Speaker 1:Five games behind Duke. Yeah 13 and6 in the conference. But again I'm calling up Hang on UNC Athletics right now. Give the man a raise. Do you want to hear what the bottom of the conference looks like? It's got to be bad. It's bad. Let's see 6-24. Yeah, 6-24.
Speaker 2:Who is that?
Speaker 1:Miami, oh my gosh 12-17.
Speaker 2:And that's the coach that left at the beginning of the year or right after the season started whatever Jim Laranega Gosh, so you don't get.
Speaker 1:He saw the writing on the wall. You don't get above 500 until eighth position. Half of the conference is below 500. So that's why, I'm like, okay, it's not great. And then to get above 500, you're at 16 and 14.
Speaker 2:So we've talked about SEC having a lot of teams that are projecting to get in and I don't know where they fall. Where do other conferences fall Like is that that bad? Or like is the Big Ten? Kind of the same way, your half's below 500?.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is, though, like ACC is historically. Well, the thing is, though, like acc is historically, that's what they're good at. Basketball is their conference like that's that's what they're known for. They're not a football driven conference, they're not really anything else so sec has 16 schools now, right?
Speaker 2:yes, they only have two. That's below 500, correct?
Speaker 1:so you go find uh, let's see what the big 10 is, I'll go look at the big 12.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's, let's see, Cause I'm just curious like, is that normal?
Speaker 1:And we're just which again, big 12 is tough because big 12 is not a super deep conference basketball Like we. We always pick a few out of there, but they're not super deep. Big 12 has four below 500.
Speaker 2:Big 10 has three. Yeah, but Rutgers is one of those who's kind of mid-pack in the standings.
Speaker 1:And actually I may have to back up on that. Acc has like eight.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. Like it's a big difference from typical, so it's tough, it's very tough. Yeah no, I was correct with sec.
Speaker 2:I was afraid there was somebody mid-pack, but no, no, they're 14th on, they're all over 500, yeah that.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm saying. Like it's, it's not. It's not what we typically see at all, not for this conference, this conference, typically, they've used to.
Speaker 2:They were the basketball conference for a long time.
Speaker 1:Duke and Carolina kind of lit it up but you had a lot of tools. You were always arguing they're gonna get seven or eight like it was. It was kind of a consistent yeah, they're probably the seven range realistically.
Speaker 2:What's uh, sec grew, it did they. Are they taking players from acc? Are they taking coaches? Because sec did a big push with coaches they did do a big push with coaches.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think, some of your best college basketball coaches in the country all acc right now is that what's contributing to acc um? Or are they just well? I think a watered down acc when you've got stanford and smu and you've got schools across the country like this isn't atlantic coast anymore.
Speaker 2:This is across the country, well, which is kind of getting crazy.
Speaker 1:That's all all the conferences they're they're all a mess. I don't like that. I I would love to see a kind of a shift and re reposition some things I don't know what that means. Time to wake up um, no, that's a different alarm. 245. Gosh, if I had to do wake up alarm at that late, that's that's rough, it's a long night if that was happening.
Speaker 1:No, but I do think NIL has played a big part. I think we're seeing, because basketball has so many true D1 teams and some other conferences that always have some ranked teams and always have some good teams, I do think the talent spreads out a lot more and because there's what, realistically, eight spots, eight guys are going to play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not talking.
Speaker 1:I mean they, they keep like 15 to 17,. You know when you really look at the end of the bench, but realistically you're talking. Eight, maybe nine guys, yeah, if that. So yes, I mean it's's. It's like with everything else, they're spreading out a lot more than they used to I definitely it's, and I was just looking.
Speaker 2:There's actually right now, uh, d1 man's programs 352 352.
Speaker 1:That's a lot.
Speaker 2:That's a lot, that's a lot and we're talking schools like st john's, some of the smaller schools that are schools that are playing well. That can get some of that talent.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I think they're really spread out, but again, you have a Patino there. You can draw kids.
Speaker 2:I agree the guy knows how to win. That's why I can't believe Carolina didn't go get a name. They could probably have Patino.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know that they could have got him.
Speaker 2:honestly, Maybe not.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know that he would have really won.
Speaker 2:They could have got a name.
Speaker 1:I don't know that Carolina would want it, because Patino's going to have control. He's going to wherever he goes, it's his team, it's his program, it's his school. Basically you leave him alone.
Speaker 2:Outside of Louisville. Some issues they had there and they still played Like he's won.
Speaker 1:He won Iona. Maybe you need to give him the program. He made them a tournament team Like he made them. They were like 20 and 7 or something.
Speaker 2:I mean he went to Lithuania for a period and was winning games.
Speaker 1:He's been a little everywhere and he's just, he's a winning ball coach. Like he knows how to do it. He's figured that out.
Speaker 2:I did not like him at Louisville.
Speaker 1:I'm one, one of the guys coming back around a little bit. Yeah, that's a rivalry. Just some of the stuff he said and done.
Speaker 2:Why was that? Louisville? Sure Kind of like, oh really, like you was at Kentucky, you're going to talk like that, but yeah it's coming back around. It's like as a Tar Heel fan.
Speaker 1:I can never like Coach K Okay, Like I wouldn't, he's a.
Speaker 2:Duke guy, but that's the rivalries we're talking about. I don't think you can do that. Well, I don't think Carolina would, because they only hire Carolina guys, that's true, that's the hard part, is we're like, but I don't think Coach K would have anyways.
Speaker 1:No, no, I think he would have seen. I think he is smart enough to realize, even if it was going to be like the perfect fit.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go do exactly what I got to be back in Kentucky, right In the state of Kentucky, go to Louisville. I don't know why he didn't see it as a rivalry like the fans do, but maybe he's just saying that after the fact to try to get back in Well, but there for a while it didn't feel like much of a rivalry. Well, they weren't doing much for a while, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like there, for a while it didn't feel that was it, there was no other really good team.
Speaker 2:That's what Williams came from, kansas, right? Yes?
Speaker 1:So I guess again. But he's from here, he's from western North Carolina, I mean he.
Speaker 2:But that's not a huge rivalry like Duke and Carolina is, oh gosh.
Speaker 1:No, that's rivalry because it's big name programs across history, not because it's actually a true rivalry. Yeah, but yeah, it's another team struggling a little bit this year Kansas, unranked.
Speaker 2:I thought they was going to be great.
Speaker 1:We all did, we all did. They're definitely not there.
Speaker 2:Bill Self, no, the player. They're supposed to be great. Oh yep, big guy.
Speaker 1:That guy, I can't yeah. Anyway, you asked me a name and I can't remember it. We knew it at first because the hill. So fell off the hill. Fell off the hill, that was such a random thing to say. Rolled down the mountain. Uh yeah, I mean a kansas team being 19 and 11, like that's a really bad season for them.
Speaker 2:I don't think anybody's really bad and I think they're another one that we're gonna see in the tournament. I don't think they go very far. I don't know if they make it. Oh, I didn't even think about that. 19 and 11, that's they're. Yeah, they're kind of with North Carolina, I guess at that point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, carolina's got one more win than they do. They probably have two games left is why.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean there's a chance, depending on what happens these last couple of games, I think teams like that, though I think Carolina and Kansas both get in Nothing else their name, if you get on.
Speaker 1:I don't think if Carolina loses to Duke, which is kind of expected at this point, yeah, they're going to lose to Duke.
Speaker 2:I think they're not making it. You don't think they get in at all? No, I still think somebody in the room argues like this is Carolina.
Speaker 1:I would argue against them.
Speaker 2:Because you're talking ratings and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:But again, they've not done anything to earn it. But if you tell me what?
Speaker 2:win. Do you go to and say some smaller school in a smaller market? Nobody really knows. And I'm battling between the two, Just took my mic out. I'm going to want Carolina for the market, for the fans, for the, you know.
Speaker 1:So if I'm on the fence there, but I think one thing about NCAA though when it comes to March Madness, they don't look at it the same way, that way. I don't want them to, Because smaller schools, their fan bases are crazy when it comes to tournament time. They will travel.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it's their first and only tournament.
Speaker 1:They win a couple of games. All of a sudden you've got a 14 seed as a Sweet 16. Every person from that school is showing up. They're going to cancel class.
Speaker 2:They're going to do everything. Maybe it was in Charlotte when some of that was going on Virginia lost.
Speaker 1:Who was that team? Gosh, it was some nobody's like little bitty school.
Speaker 2:Um, they're up in maryland yeah, they're like the golden retrievers because I remember seeing their fans and their buses and it was yeah, because we were there and we're like holy crap, virginia just lost in virginia that year was like they were rejecting national champion why didn't we go to the game?
Speaker 1:I don't even know what he's doing there um I don't think we were planning on being there and it just kind of happened Because, yeah, we weren't planning on being down there. Well, here's the thing Kansas has one more game against a ranked Arizona team. They lose that in their 19 and 12. They about have to go win their tournament.
Speaker 2:They got to do good in the tournament, yeah. Like I don't but their tournament ends on Saturday, I think, if I remember correct.
Speaker 1:Is SEC the only one that ends on Sunday? Only big one, maybe the only big one. Okay, because a lot of them will already be done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because, like SEC if a team needs in, if you get just to the finals. I've never liked that. I don't like it either. Because it just feels like it doesn't matter what happens that day we saw, because the only thing that would matter then is if a team that wasn't going to make it wins and they're guaranteed the spot.
Speaker 1:I think it was kentucky and texas a&m.
Speaker 2:Maybe I want to say kentucky beat texas a&m, where something like that in the championship game that was a few years ago yeah, and the losing team was ranked ahead of them in the yep, I do remember the bracket and it was clear, like they didn't even factor in that game.
Speaker 1:But you can. It's on Sunday. The selection happens like 20 minutes after the game ends.
Speaker 2:It's literally right at the beginning, but I feel like you could have it okay if they win and look good.
Speaker 1:Basically have both the teams wrote down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kind of close. I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Both, have them both wrote down and then just flip them, depending on what?
Speaker 2:Start using that word?
Speaker 1:writ yeah, I don't know, it's been a long day, yeah, so no, I'm super excited. Like you said, selection Sunday, for whatever reason, does feel really exciting this year because I think we'll see some teams with records that are probably not necessarily as good as they would have been in the past. They're a pretty high seed, like I think you're going to see like a seven or eight loss team still be like two or three, which is crazy.
Speaker 2:It used to be like he's projected, like a three.
Speaker 1:I can't. Imagine.
Speaker 2:They're barely over 500.
Speaker 1:They're 10 losses Like how do you a three at 10 losses Like that blows my mind. And it may be just crazy, so yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't want to be in the room wrecking these teams, this year especially this year is one of the harder years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, all of you that are going to do the espn, pick your perfect bracket for a million dollars. Good luck.
Speaker 2:You're saying that about carolina, but you're right, like kentucky's, sitting at 20 and 10, particularly like a three, four at the worst they're saying right now yeah, which is crazy and no but the thing is, though kentucky has some good wins, they have some very bad losses, but they have some good wins.
Speaker 1:Carolina only has bad losses. They don't have any good wins?
Speaker 2:no, that makes that's the biggest difference. But the conference they're in, how do they get good?
Speaker 1:strength. Strength is not really strength. Schedule strength of conference will go a long ways too. Like the, the big 12, it doesn't go as far. So they're probably gonna get to get four to five guys Big 10, kind of the same way because the overall arcing conference is not great. Sec is going to get so many because, as a whole their conference number-wise, has been good.
Speaker 2:They appear to be great. We're going to find out, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean again, I'm still on the fence for those middle-of-the-road teams conference every year. Whoever the the biggest conference has the most winning teams goes into the tournament. It's kind of like then they'll show it at the end well, this, this conference, has more losses. Yeah, when you send 10 teams, they're gonna have more losses because only one can win.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and like that's what I hate about you said before, they're gonna eventually end up have to play each other if they do keep going on. Um and just by chance, if you put 10 teams in there, you have 10 chances of losing.
Speaker 1:So you have more chances of loss. So yeah, I mean, yeah, I, I completely agree. So it it's gonna be a mess, though I will say that I think it's. Uh, I'm curious to see where they send everybody to, because obviously you've got the four regions. I'm curious to see who goes where yeah, I think it'll be exciting.
Speaker 2:It might be the most exciting in a long time, really.
Speaker 1:Maybe. I mean I think we've got it helps. I'll say this it helps having a guy like Cooper Flagg for all of basketball, not just for Duke, but for the fact of he's a projected number one rumor claiming he may want to come back. I don't know if that's just because you don't want to go to play for Utah, who probably is going to get the number one pick.
Speaker 1:I did see some of these NBA guys saying, yeah, I don't know that I wouldn't stay another year. It's kind of claiming that right now to put that thought in everybody's head and then wait to see who gets the number one pick. If San Antonio gets the number one pick, I'm going a chance to play with Fox and Wimby. Yeah, yeah, sure, you got to go. But if Utah gets number one pick, who wants to?
Speaker 1:go Like Utah is not in a place right now that the you know, it's the Malone and Stockton. They're a bad NBA team.
Speaker 2:You know a kid growing up playing basketball. Whatever sport you play, you pick you somewhat. Pick your high school, I don't understand. But then you pick your college and you pick Sure sure, well, they do nowadays.
Speaker 2:Sure, your like travel ball teams and what do they call it now, the I'm losing the term but the big tournaments they have in basketball AU, au, yep, they have those big tournaments and you pick what team you want to go to, and then you go to the nba and it's like here, here's your team, they make it for you so right?
Speaker 1:well, to an extent, because some of these guys kind of pick where they want to go because they'll, like they'll play these games of I may or may not go out. Yeah, because here's the thing if utah gets it, they're the number one pick.
Speaker 2:I think everybody expects cooper flag to be the number one, but now in college basketball, once you commit and go past that date, you're in correct, so you can't back out. Then if they say yeah, I'm taking you.
Speaker 1:I just feel it's one of those. If it looks truly like Utah's going to get it, if I'm Cooper Flagg, I stay another year. Utah's not a place I want to go.
Speaker 2:Especially because he can make money now in college. Correct, if there was no money, it wasn't going to be a little different.
Speaker 1:So I saw a projection the other day. It's like four and a half million this year. Obviously that's not NBA money. Don't get me wrong NBA money is way, way bigger. He's a college kid, but you can live off four and a half million. I'd be okay, I'd be fine with it. Give me the half million, I'll take it, I'm good.
Speaker 2:You want me to play at Duke for four and a half million. I hate Duke.
Speaker 1:I'll play at Duke, for I think you really have to for somebody like him. Be selective, because he is not a guy that I think is going to go in and be a true superstar. I think he's got star potential I don't think superstar, because that's just such a different level.
Speaker 2:It is, and then to go do it at.
Speaker 1:Utah. He's by himself, he's not going to have anybody to really help him. But, like I said, you go to San Antonio with Fox and Wimby. You're going to look really good really early, because, you've got help, because they're going to make you look good With any team. I'm with you there. Somehow he makes it to the Lakers, which is not going to happen, but you have that around you Because not even talking about LeBron, but Reeves and Nick the market stuff too.
Speaker 2:you mentioned that earlier.
Speaker 1:That's a big market.
Speaker 2:That makes a difference, yes, but there's a few, few teams, that management wise team wise, you just don't want to go there, yeah, but I'm with you, but I'm excited for it, ready for it yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it and we'll uh definitely keep you all updated on facebook.
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