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Food for the Sick, Fore or not, and Bracket Banter
Get ready to swing into spring with laughter and relatable stories in our latest podcast episode! Tyler and David dive into the world of golf, reminiscing about their funniest on-course moments, including the humorous habit of yelling "fore" when they least expect it. The conversation flows seamlessly into hilarious stories about unexpected water hazards and the delightful nostalgia of comfort foods that accompany our memories.
We also discuss the differences between college and professional sports, sharing our thoughts on why college sports feel more grounded and personal. Reflecting on our childhood favorites, we highlight the comforting meals that have shaped our experiences, evoking a sense of warmth and familiarity that draws listeners in.
As winter recedes and warmer weather approaches, we express our excitement for upcoming golfing excursions. We invite you to join our journey — whether it's hitting the greens, exploring new courses, or simply enjoying a good meal, there’s something here for everyone.
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Welcome back to the Not A Youth Podcast here with Tyler and David. Once again, hello everybody, and I'm going to start it off on a hot streak, proudly sponsored by 4U Golf. Still, still love that they are able to sponsor us and that they continue to sponsor us. If you haven't checked them out, whether it's online or in person, please do so. 4ugolf828.com, and that's F-O-R-E-U, just the letter U, real, simple, nothing crazy play on words, but cool little top tracer range Doing a lot of stuff. Very soon we'll be having an online store too, so for those of you that are not close by, you'll be able to kind of check it out and do some things through the store itself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that play on the word too, because when I play golf that's the word I use a lot, because who knows where the ball's going. So I've got to yell four.
Speaker 1:So it kind of sucks, though, because I feel like every time we go play, even when we hit bad shots, there's nobody around and I kind of want to yell it, like when you hit a bad one. It's like I hit one so bad I should have to yell it, but it's like there's nobody there, or it's so far in the woods. It's like who am I yelling that for? What happens?
Speaker 2:to me is you know, I hit one and it's not great and I'm like I see people down there and I'm like, yeah, it's not getting that far you know. And the next, thing you know, it lands on their feet. I say, yeah, it really just depends. I've definitely done that I've been thinking like, oh, they're way too far. And then I hit one and you're like, ah, they're far out there, I'm not going to hit this that far, and that's the one you get a hold of.
Speaker 1:So when we go play, there are two guarantees. That's one of them that we're going to hit a shot better than we've ever hit. That's going to go at somebody, at somebody, yeah. The other one is if we play a hole with water, you find it, I will find it's funny because it's always been that way.
Speaker 2:I've gotten better with water. I don't know, I've changed my mentality a little bit and I don't remember. I'm still going to the water at some point.
Speaker 1:But well, I've got a little better. Around last year that over here in henishville, close by to us, you found water. I didn't know was on that course and it was like six shots in a row.
Speaker 2:Like you found water in places that there should not have been water oh, I would walk up places too and be like like I hit a good shot. It's like, yeah, where did this water should be right here, this water come from. Wait a minute.
Speaker 1:We did that several times and it's at one point it just gets comical because you're like, I don't know how you do that like it's just impressive what's like you know, finding water there and then finding the bathroom because I have to pee like nonstop. That's true, I was going to say you typically know that's the thing. Anywhere we go, whether you've been there before or not, if I need to use the bathroom, I ask you where it is, because you've been there already.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, You've already found it once or twice. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's easy If you's going to know, without a doubt.
Speaker 2:You know we talked about this. I'm excited to get weather and maybe get out and go to some of these golf courses and, you know, try some food and different things that we've talked about.
Speaker 1:I was talking with Paul about it and I'm like I am so ready to be back on a golf course.
Speaker 2:If you notice, I didn't say anything about playing golf.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to be able to go play with us.
Speaker 2:So it's like, all right, now we've got. I didn't know there was a three-click system to like actually on the golf course.
Speaker 1:No, so he's got to figure out if there's a three-click off the tee Like he's fine everywhere else. Right, his driver is pretty rough.
Speaker 2:Is it like an ABA cheat code, or maybe AAA? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think he's clicking them in the wrong direction or something. Last time I watched him hit driver, he was missing about a 200-yard wide field.
Speaker 2:I can't say much about driver. I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, I know, but it's weird though, because pretty much the rest of his game has been solid, except for that. He's been pretty good with everything else. Um, I am, I am worried. You know, playing paul this year he's had much more time with these new clubs. He's getting better and he, you know we he's.
Speaker 2:He's gotten his back straightened out, so I'm I gotta start getting some practice in, because well, there's times I can just sell my driver and just use my three wood because it goes just as far most of the time and straighter.
Speaker 1:I think there's something mental there with you too, though.
Speaker 2:Oh, there is.
Speaker 1:Because you've done that forever. Yeah, even the old crappy clubs. That first set you had that was like I don't know what $30?. I mean something ridiculously cheap. You could hit the 3-wood, great, and in that set the driver wasn't much bigger. No, huh, and you still couldn't hit it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know what it is. My best drives that I ever remember was with an old driver I had and I would just swing easy and I think I try to swing too hard. It's more of a baseball swing. We've talked about it. I'm coaching softball and things like that and teaching swings and then I try to swing a golf club that way. I try to swing a golf club that way and we saw it on the course a few months ago in the fall.
Speaker 1:I didn't know when we were last on the course.
Speaker 2:Well, the one. I softball swung at it and it went straight right and I actually came back and put it right back on the green next shot, but it's off the tee.
Speaker 1:I just can't. Yes, I actually do remember that it was like shanked into the most ridiculous spot I could imagine and then you put it to like 10 feet. I'm like stop using the driver. It's like irons only Just go. Nothing but irons.
Speaker 2:But in softball you're not supposed to roll over, you know. So in a softball swing it feels like when I do that it's sliced so you know, I'm going to have to work on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to call dad, maybe Get work on it. Yeah, we're gonna call dad maybe get you squared away.
Speaker 2:I don't, I mean, I'm just gonna hit the ball, take it by my cheeseburger and go to the next shot I was gonna say, yeah, that's the big thing is you just don't really care what's the? Uh, I can't remember. The golfer was where he said um, oh, it was john daly when he was younger. Right, he said. My strategy is hit as hard as I can. If I find it, I'll hit it again that's kind of what I do.
Speaker 1:That's in between his diet, coke and cigarettes. I mean I'm not doing that. I don't smoke and I don't like that, so that that was one of those things like we you always talk about, like the, the type of golfers out there you talk about. You know the country club style. John daly walked off of the nascar racetrack straight onto a golf course. He did, I mean, like the. He was mullet redneck just did not fit the mold back then and he's a major champion.
Speaker 2:It's unbelievable. He does not look like he'd be good at golf.
Speaker 1:No, no, I mean I think currently he's single-handedly keeping Hooters from bankruptcy. I mean, him and his son are about the only two things they've got going for them.
Speaker 2:Well, it's funny, you said Diet Coke and a cigarette. Yeah, why is it that all these people who are smoking and everything else drink a Diet Coke?
Speaker 1:It feels like Diet Coke. I don't know why Can't we just get a regular Coke at that point. Are we?
Speaker 2:offsetting it. You know, is it. I think it's bouncing day too, it's like if you're gonna drink that many.
Speaker 1:There's rumors of john daly like diet coke and m&ms and it's like he'll have 12 on a course. I'm like, listen, I would be passing out.
Speaker 2:Make that a dr pepper. I'm in, give me some peanut m&ms. Yeah, I don't know, I can't.
Speaker 1:That's what I saying I mean it's like crazy numbers, it's not just like one or two, it's all of them.
Speaker 2:I get to a point that I need water, and I can feel it.
Speaker 1:So I've got to put the soda down On the golf course. I'm like I'm going water and then at the turn I'll grab a Pepsi or a Dr Pepper or something.
Speaker 2:Just give it that little bit, but not that many. I don't know how you do it that way. Talking about soda, I kind of got a little bit of a humorous story. I guess not that the major. I think it was one night this week, maybe last night, so I don't remember, but it's late at night and I'm up and I'm a late night person trying to work on that Not going very well, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm doing a little bit better will but uh, I'm, I'm doing a little bit better. I've gotten off that a little bit. I still get random texts from you. It'd be like two and I'm like dude, I've been out I know you're asleep, but you'll see the next one. No, exactly something's on my mind, so I just I just text or whatever.
Speaker 2:But um, so I'm like I want a little snack and I go to the fridge and, for whatever reason, I wanted a pickle. Okay, I don't know why there's a pickle. I get like late night, why I I don't know why. It was a pickle, I could go late at night. Why, I don't know. Pickles are good man.
Speaker 1:You're missing out.
Speaker 2:No, pickles are disgusting, hey that's my vegetables right there, cucumbers. So.
Speaker 1:Yes, drowned in salt.
Speaker 2:You look kind of disgusted.
Speaker 1:Pickles are one of the most disgusting things in the world.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, anyway, so but while I got the fridge open, I see a can of sprite in the door and we got sprite for my daughter trying to drink less caffeine. It's like that she's playing softball. So if she wants a little something she can have a little sprite. You know, it's a little better hopefully. But I see the sprite and I'm like I kind of want that sprite. Why do I want that sprite? And my first immediate thought is am I getting sick or something like that?
Speaker 1:and I immediately associate associated sprite with like being sick I don't, I don't associate sprite with sick, because there, for a long time, like sprite was my drink of choice. Like I like, oh, really, yeah, it's like sprite when you have like a cold or something like it's good, no, it's ginger. You don't you got a ginger what?
Speaker 2:oh god, I don't like ginger ale ginger ale is for.
Speaker 1:Like ginger calms your stomach.
Speaker 2:Like that's what ginger like when you have an upset stomach, you drink ginger, so I've always heard like Sprite and 7-Up.
Speaker 1:No, because there's actually way too much sugar in it.
Speaker 2:Is it Okay? So that's the thing.
Speaker 1:A lot of people do that, though.
Speaker 2:What's horrible about Sprite is like, you're like, oh, I'm not doing much different.
Speaker 1:I'm like that's stupid.
Speaker 2:Which don't worry on caffeine is his own issue I mean I get in moods where I've even told my wife and she looks like I'm crazy. I'm like, yeah, I think I want a light soda, like I want to like it like a mountain like a light color or a sprite or seven up something maybe it's not a dangerous drink, though.
Speaker 1:Oh, it is, it is it's. It's one of those like, if you get on a mountain dew, kick like it's. Yeah, I mean, a good cold Mountain Dew is good, but it's awful for you, that's right, I immediately associated with, okay, you know, having a cold and whatever that.
Speaker 2:and it got me thinking like, what else is like that? And Campbell's soup was the first thing that came to my mind chicken noodle soup, and I don't know why. Like I've read, you know what chicken noodle soup does for you, but why do we go to that every time we're sick, see, I noodle soup does for you, but why do we go to that every time we're sick?
Speaker 1:see, I don't. Though what do you go to? Cheese toast? What toast with cheese on it?
Speaker 2:when you're sick.
Speaker 1:The reason being is because that's what my grandparents did, so that's what my mom did. So when I was sick, it was like it's really light on your stomach, it's not heavy, it's easy to eat, it's simple well, I mean, I ate toast before and I'm sick because it's like, but I don't put cheese on it, so it's literally like a a piece of craft singles on toast, like you put it in the oven. Let it just like it's not melty or anything.
Speaker 2:It's just kind of almost like glazes over just feels like cheese, that type of weird that type of cheese does not really melt well yeah, that's true, like if they kind of just made it real cheese. I don't.
Speaker 1:Probably not, but for whatever reason it would be like ginger ale and cheese toast.
Speaker 2:But have you heard that people use chicken noodle soup? Oh, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:So I've always heard chicken noodle or tomato soup, just because it's like just an easy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's very plain. I've even done it, you know.
Speaker 1:There's nothing whatever, yeah you're like trying to figure out what loan can I take out to go get mucinex and yeah and all this stuff. I know like you're like I don't care anymore I don't care, or like if you were to go to the store right now I'm not sick and you're like I need to stock up this stuff for when these allergies are getting ready to hit, all these things you know, getting ready to be in that that type of year, you're gonna go buy the cheapest stuff you can find you're gonna find the off brand.
Speaker 1:You're gonna find stuff that's like I don't even think that's real, but I'm gonna buy it.
Speaker 2:And then when you get sick, you're like, nope, give me the most expensive one give me whatever works I want to knock it out as quickly as possible so I got to looking it up and you know, chicken noodle soup supposedly the chicken broth helps with congestion and it's hot and a lot of different things. But what I thought was kind of funny too was in like uh, I think it was 96 campbell's actually done a marketing campaign and they couldn't say our soup helps you when you're sick. But it was kind of based on that grandma gives you soup when you're not feeling good and they really pushed it. And so then I'm like okay, is soup really that good for me, or is it just this been a marketing ploy?
Speaker 1:all these years, gotta be marketing maybe because I just picture like obviously I was six years old, 96, like I was little. I mean you weren't much older. What 10? Yeah, so I mean like you're real old. But I just feel like I can picture a commercial, just some old lady giving a sick kid in bed, yes, a bowl of soup. But it's like, just because you see it doesn't mean it actually works. Because here's the thing marketing wise if they'd have, they could put anything they wanted within reason obviously you're not gonna give me here's a candy bar, like no, that's not gonna help.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but anything within reason, like I feel like everybody just jumped on board well, and I guess legally they can't say we cure the cold because they don't cure it yeah.
Speaker 2:But they put out this message that when you're sick, this is what you want. And there's other soup brands out there, but I guess maybe Campbell's jumped on it first. I don't know that. I can name another soup brand.
Speaker 1:I can one, I think, all right. So here's my question Outside of sickness, are you a soup person Like, do you like soup? Not one, I think, all right. So here's my question outside of sickness, are you a soup person like, do you like soup?
Speaker 2:not typically, because that to me is it's like it's not a meal so I grew up um and I'll do this occasionally a grilled cheese sandwich and tomato soup, because I dip my grilled cheese in the tomato soup.
Speaker 1:But it's still. It's like people do soup and salad or soup and sandwich. I'm like that's not a meal like soup.
Speaker 2:Soup in itself is just hot broth like there's nothing there's nothing to it like occasionally we'll get a, uh, those cans of like some kind of meaty soup I'll eat occasionally. Uh, now, olive garden, I get soup there because I don't really eat salads that much.
Speaker 1:But you eat as an appetizer? I do, but that's different, it's more.
Speaker 2:It's their soup. Uh, pasta, fagioli or whatever is more like chili. So I don't know if you consider chili a soup.
Speaker 1:I don't really feel like chili is a soup. Chili is just too full. I think it technically is.
Speaker 2:I guess it probably is, but it just feels very different. It's very full.
Speaker 1:You think of a basic tomato soup or chicken noodle soup? There's not much in it. It's way more broth than there's anything else.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, where there's not much in it, like it's way more broth than is anything else. Oh yeah, where chili is way more everything else than it is. Yeah, that's. My wife will make a vegetable soup sometimes and it's like full of meat and stuff. It's not. Yeah, I don't want all that. I guess brothy stuff, whatever you call it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not a soup person oh, some people like my parents they'll yeah, for dinner we're having soup.
Speaker 2:I'm like you're not having dinner ain't there a restaurant that's like based on soup or has a lot, maybe panera bread or something?
Speaker 1:panera is that what it's called, not panera bread they've got a bunch of sandwiches and stuff too, though but don't they do like a lot of soups and like I just? Anytime I'm in panera I get a sandwich of some kind well, I've never ate it panera, so I have a couple of times we had it when we were living down towards charl, but that was about it.
Speaker 2:So now we've determined that you ate cheese toast and ginger ale. Anything else that you think of that connects to sickness Saltines oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:I didn't think of saltine crackers. Maybe popsicles. I don't think I have ever eaten saltines other than when I was sick.
Speaker 2:You know I got on a kick for a while that I would eat those when I got a little hungry late at night and just eat a few of those. It's like cardboard. Well, and that was kind of my point is trying to not just go grab like junk food and where that's not, you know, that's not obviously healthy.
Speaker 1:I feel like you just eat a whole box, though, because, like there's nothing to it. I mean, I might have you know what I mean Like a saltine cracker is air, like there's very little to it.
Speaker 2:It's just very light on your stomach.
Speaker 1:I was like, how much do you have to eat to actually feel?
Speaker 2:like you ate something. Well, I think that's the idea to not like fill you up so much with heavy something.
Speaker 1:No, but it's just if you eat four sleeves. But I can only imagine the amount of water you would need with that, like you wouldn't be able to swallow. Because when you think, like if you eat, like four saltines, like after like you're drinking something.
Speaker 2:You're drinking something, yeah. Like you're not doing that just plain Well, like a challenge or something. A while back is like I thought you ate them and then had to say a word or something. I don't know, I don't remember, I think it was something that it was like.
Speaker 1:It was technically impossible to eat X amount of them without drinking or something, because it just basically dried your mouth.
Speaker 2:Because it dried your mouth, I could see that.
Speaker 1:Which there's so many ridiculous.
Speaker 2:There's all these crazy media stuff. Have you seen the lemon ones? Those are hilarious.
Speaker 1:I couldn't ever bring myself to do it.
Speaker 2:I was going to say are we going to do it live?
Speaker 1:No, just sitting here thinking about it, my mouth already has that feeling of I know what's going on.
Speaker 2:I like some good, strong lemonade, but just straight lemon juice that's full of sugar.
Speaker 1:It counteracts everything Just straight lemon juice that's full of sugar. Yeah, you know, it counteracts everything Just straight lemon juice, I mean. The faces these people make, though, is absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're funny.
Speaker 1:That's what makes those videos. It's just they're fine, they take that shot of it, it's okay for about a half second and then it hits. Yeah, it's not immediate, it's just that slight pause. Well, saltines was a good one. I mentioned popsicles, but anything else that comes to your mind. So, yeah, obviously popsicles when you know you had strep or something where your throat was really messed up.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I just remembered. Do you remember those things in school? The little frozen juices Supposed to be like real juice and they're really not real juice. The little triangle things.
Speaker 1:What were those?
Speaker 2:called. They were amazing.
Speaker 1:Well, see, but that you got to think though. Lunches when we were a kid, cafeteria lunches at school, like that is nostalgia. There is so much that you go back and think, like the square pizzas of that time very different than the square pizzas of now.
Speaker 2:And I like the square pizzas.
Speaker 1:They were fantastic.
Speaker 2:My daughter gets papa john's like four or five days a week at the middle school now. So I mean they have that there now.
Speaker 1:Yeah see there for a while they weren't having you that stuff. It was like really basic, boring stuff, um so yeah, I mean. So when I was in high school, I mean we had the main cafeteria line, you had a line that was just chicken sandwiches and you had a line that was just pizza, yeah, we had the pizza line and you had like little snacks and stuff I mean. So I basically did chicken sandwich every day.
Speaker 2:But why did we? I think I get pizza all the time, but why did we eat pizza and chocolate with chocolate milk and drink chocolate milk?
Speaker 1:That's a weird explanation it was like milk. It's always the thing of milk's good for you, so they want you to have milk for your meal.
Speaker 2:I could never do that now.
Speaker 1:There was no other option. You didn't have water or tea to even pick.
Speaker 2:White milk or chocolate. Milk.
Speaker 1:White milk or chocolate milk, and it was always a fight for that chocolate milk. Nobody wanted white milk. No, I would just not drink If I had to get the white milk. I just didn't drink anything. But see, then, when I got to high school, I got a Propel every day. So I had a strawberry kiwi Propel every single day, gotcha. So it was like that's what I went to See. I had to pay extra for it, but I did get it.
Speaker 2:This is a nostalgia thing too.
Speaker 1:I remember having the machines in the hallways in high and that stuff was good.
Speaker 2:I don't think they make fruitopia anymore and it was probably like a thousand grams of sugar in it. Oh, probably it was so good. The closest I found is minute made, you know, has their lemonade and stuff and they have like a fruit punch and stuff.
Speaker 1:It's not so, but the thing is, I don't like regular fruit punch yeah but fruitopia didn't feel like regular oh, it didn't.
Speaker 2:There's something about so many flavors.
Speaker 1:They did. But then it was like everybody kind of transitioned from Fruitopia, when that stopped, to the Sobe, the different drinks that they did, then they had the Lifewaters and then they had all the other, they still make stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm not really big on those All these flavored waters and sparkling waters. I just can mind that it's like a really, really watered down drink to me.
Speaker 1:I think it just depends on the brand you get, because some of them are pretty strong, like you actually get some pretty good flavor, but that's a little bit different too. I mean, you're taking me back. There's a lot of lunches I remember, even like I. I mean, none of the food was real, like the mashed potatoes were not real potatoes like it's. There's no telling what you were actually eating, but a lot of this was really good I ate all of it.
Speaker 2:I did too pretty much every day. Um, I know my sister, would you know, die over the bosco sticks you're going to bosco sticks.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, do you remember? She ordered something I do remember that yeah, she found website and it was like the direct cafeteria supplier. Now you have to buy them, by the case. You can't just buy a little bit.
Speaker 2:I'm sure she had no problem with that we had a case of Bosco sticks in our freezer. I don't know if those are still in schools or not.
Speaker 1:No, no, those have been for a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably not healthy enough.
Speaker 1:Well, there there was. You know, michelle obama ruined cafeteria lunches. It was really good. Before that, yeah, and then that's when they did the whole. All of the vending machines were taken. Well, they weren't necessarily taken out, but all the like. We used to be able to buy regular soda in high school. Oh yeah, we could do like they didn't. Everything went to zero and diet and, like you could like, at the high school, within the last 10 years, you couldn't buy like regular gatorade. It was only zero, zero stuff. Like you couldn't do anything with sugar, like it was, it was taking everything yeah, that's weird but then at the same time it took all the flavor out of the food.
Speaker 1:So it was a very it was a mess.
Speaker 2:I remember snack machines like before football practice I'd grab a bag of snack machines a bag of-Its or Garnettos or something like that.
Speaker 1:No, you couldn't get anything like that, like simple peanut butter crackers or it's all just granola bars.
Speaker 2:So is it still that way? Because I haven't been in high school in a while.
Speaker 1:Currently, I think it is I don't have a kid in high school. I haven't been there in a while, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:Well, like I said my daughter, she can get pizza and she can pay extra.
Speaker 1:I'll call.
Speaker 2:Brad, she can get cookies. She has to pay extra for them. It's not with your lunch. You can buy cookies and things like that.
Speaker 1:I feel like they've loosened up some, because even then that stuff wasn't an offering, a few years ago. It was very, very basic stuff. Maybe they're coming back around with some food, you'd buy a sleeve of the mini donuts, like when I was in school. Oh yeah, like you had all kinds of that cosmic brownies, like you name it. We had it, we had it there and it was like 35 cents, Like it was super, super cheap. Can't go to the gas station by that. Now it's like a dollar yeah.
Speaker 1:I can tell you the last time I've had a Cosmic Brownie or a sleeve of donuts.
Speaker 2:Now I like the little sleeve of donuts, like the chocolate donuts with chocolate milk.
Speaker 1:They do my thing. I just feel like they changed. They don't taste the same.
Speaker 2:I can't find good chocolate milk anymore. I could just a single bottle. That's been my problem, because I just make my own.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not as good either. I mean, we almost always have chocolate syrup at the house.
Speaker 2:Back when I well, we do, because our boys love it. We try to limit it a little bit.
Speaker 1:I mean, ours is you know, if Amanda's making something, it calls for whatever, like just whatever she's baking. But yeah, every now and then I'll just be like, yeah, I'll just go make chocolate. There was a kick.
Speaker 2:When I first started the job I'm at now and I actually had to go to the office, I would stop and get a little pack of those donuts and a chocolate milk, like every morning. That was my breakfast, so I'm sure that was great for me that's terrible.
Speaker 1:RFK Jr would love to hear that.
Speaker 2:Do something about it. Rfk.
Speaker 1:He's working on it. He's trying.
Speaker 2:Come on, bobby, help me out.
Speaker 1:Well, that actually, of course, food tangent. As normal, we get off on those.
Speaker 2:I'm already getting hungry.
Speaker 1:But one thing we talked about. This has been a few weeks, maybe a month ago, I'm not sure exactly how long ago. Brian posted it on our Facebook this evening yes, the NFL is making a change in how they I can't really say how they spot the ball, because they're not actually changing how they spot the ball, I know.
Speaker 2:When I first saw it, I was excited.
Speaker 1:I was too.
Speaker 1:So when I first pulled up the article and it's saying they're changing some rules. They're looking at the overtime rule. They're looking at how they spot the ball. They're looking at onside kicks. They're looking at a bunch of stuff. You know the very normal stuff. Post-nfl season, they go through all the different penalties. Should we change this? Should we do this? You know the very normal things. Well, we talked about it a while back. We both feel the NFL needs to change how they spot the ball, how they do first down, why we still have a manual chain gang. You know all those.
Speaker 2:Get rid of the chains.
Speaker 1:That's old school so the article comes out and they're saying well, the nfl is looking at changing how they they do ball spot.
Speaker 1:What I saw was getting rid of the chains and I was like, yes, finally well, so I pulled up the article and it's like well, they're not changing a manual ball placement, so a referee still has to place the ball where he feels it was last. And that's the problem, and the only technology they're bringing in will then read if it's a first down or not from where he placed it. So it's like, okay, what's the point of that then?
Speaker 2:I guess it's just going to go. It'll be able to tell them if it was 10 yards from where they started, so you won't physically see chains on the side.
Speaker 1:I guess no, or are they still going to put them there. Chains are still there. They said they'll be like a backup thing. But they're not moving them. Chains are still going to run exactly how they always have. They are just now the backup instead of the technology being the backup.
Speaker 2:I feel like when the ref spots the ball, you could look over there and tell First down or not. That's typically what they do, and if it's really really close, then they would ring the chains.
Speaker 1:Then they pause it. So the only thing that you will now do Is you'll maybe get a couple less pauses a game, because very rarely is it that close. Most of the time it's like that's half yard and we move it, or it looks short. It takes a pretty big play within the game For them to say we need to stop and actually measure this.
Speaker 2:The one good thing I can see from this is there has been some plays where the officials will motion first down and it was really close, like they probably should have measured or something, so it might get that.
Speaker 1:But you're talking what? Not even a play a game.
Speaker 2:No, and that's not the overall problem. The overall problem is this official trying to spot the ball at the right spot.
Speaker 1:Well, because we saw so many instances where they spotted it completely, I mean, a yard off of where it actually, yeah, should have been. So the technology is not be used, not being used for those purposes. It's only going to be post a ref spotting the ball. So it's kind of to me it's a waste, are they?
Speaker 2:trying to speak game up.
Speaker 1:Maybe we're on the right track, but it shouldn't take us five years to get there.
Speaker 2:We should be able to say, hey, this sucks, we need to go now I still don't know why, and they're calling this, uh, ball hocking technology or something like that. I think it's what it's called. Um, so it's tracking the ball from cameras, basically correct. So we just need to get a little bit better tracking the ball itself and let it tell them where to put the ball. You know, and I'm not going to get into this at the moment but TGL has the technology where a light shows up around the green to show where to put the ball, that's what we need.
Speaker 2:Let's have something pop up on the field. Here's where the ball goes, and there's no official guessing, because that's what they do they guess. They can say, oh we know, that's all they're doing.
Speaker 1:They don't really know.
Speaker 2:They can't keep up with these players and the speed of these players, and when they're in a big pack and you can't hardly see the ball. That's what we've got to fix. So while I'm excited that there's something going on, it's still not the right something yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean mean, like I said, we're on the path, but our path shouldn't take as long as it's going to take, because we're we're going to do this for a year and then we're going to say, well, did that really do anything? I go ahead and tell you, nfl, the answer is no, it's not really going to do anything. You're going to save a couple of seconds of broadcast, like it's. It's not overall, gonna be not. Hey, this is the new greatest thing. I understand the whole thing of human error. I don't want to fully take out human error because that's kind of part of what makes sports great?
Speaker 1:no, take it out I just feel like then it goes too much of everything's automated, everything is I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2:Are you seeing what's happening in mlb?
Speaker 1:but it's still, it's still controlled.
Speaker 2:They only get like two well, I know it's not an every time, but they call some out and it's like yeah, but here's the thing I've seen.
Speaker 1:I've seen them wrong as many times I've seen them right already. So like they're. They're still like. The umpires are still getting some right that the guys like. No, that's wrong. And there's the umpires all still getting something right that the guys are like no, that's wrong and the umpires are still right.
Speaker 2:I feel the same thing about footballs that do baseball, basketball, whatever. If we can get every call right, why not? Now there's some calls that's always going to be judgment calls and you're not going to be able to. I'm okay with those. But, if there's a yes or no answer, we need the yes or no answer To an extent like I, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not fully sold on the the robot umpiring, the way that they are currently set, and you know these major league pitchers, they are incredible. They can spot things so much better than even high level college guys can. So some of these strikes that they are getting even that I'm currently seeing you're not getting that in any league ever, but they're now going to get it because maybe a piece of the thread of of the seam might have caught the edge of it it's like all right that that's not a strike.
Speaker 2:I get that and I understand. Even the technology is going to have its flaws. The question is, is there less flaws with it? So if the technology is missing 20%, where the umpires are missing 30%, we got 10% better.
Speaker 1:No, but here's the thing. A major league umpire is like 96%, correct or better. We're not talking that. He's like 80. He's not missing 20% of the calls. They're missing less than 5% of the calls.
Speaker 2:I've seen some pretty-ref calls though.
Speaker 1:Yes, but those are bad umpires. Oh, definitely To me. Instead of saying let's completely overhaul everything, how about you just get rid of the crappy ones?
Speaker 2:Because we've got some really bad umpires.
Speaker 1:If the technology works, I don't need the umpire to even call it, just let the technology call balls or strikes and move on, because you have to have an umpire there still.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So then he's just going to stay in there the whole game.
Speaker 2:Pretty much that's what the rest of them do until they're needed on a play.
Speaker 1:That's a waste.
Speaker 2:I mean all the other umpires. They stand there until there's a call at a bag, or is it foul ball? I mean it's the same thing. I'm just saying, if we have the technology to make it better, let's make it better.
Speaker 1:I'm fine with technology coming in to an extent, but I don't want it to completely take over sports, because then it's just going to feel like you're changing it completely.
Speaker 2:Like I said, there's always going to be some judgment calls. But see, I feel the same way in still talking about baseball. You know, know out or safe on on any, any base. If there's technology that can tell us that I don't do it, why do we need to have?
Speaker 1:I don't like games, but everything right now would be video, and then it's going to take a lot longer. No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:No way to quickly do, no but if they get to some technology, that that can see.
Speaker 1:At the same time, though, the umpires at a base. They don't get that wrong much.
Speaker 2:Most of those guys are pretty dang good.
Speaker 1:The ones that have gotten it wrong are there's a couple umpires, I'm thinking, but they've been voluntold to leave. There's a few of those that it was like oh, all of a sudden they retired. They didn't look like they were ready to leave. There's a few of those that it was like, oh, all of a sudden they retired. They didn't look like they were ready to retire.
Speaker 1:They're now gone and there's a few of those that's like, hey, you made me mad. I'm now making bad calls. It's kind of what it felt like. That's what they did.
Speaker 2:I'm just all for the least amount of error. If humans can be more accurate than the technology and be more accurate than the technology, I'm all for it. I just want the best possible cause. I guess, when it comes to these games, I want it to be left up to the players. We see it in basketball so much. Basketball officiating is horrible right now and I don't know how you fix that.
Speaker 1:Basketball to me is the last. So basketball and football, those sports, I don't think you're ever going to really be able to go much automated because there's everything's interpretation like there's no, yeah, there's no like set in stone this, this, this, because I agree, just because you touch somebody isn't a foul, but then there are times when you touch somebody that it isn't like yeah, there's so many little differences.
Speaker 2:That's the ones I say that I know we can't do anything about those now that you just got to educate officials, get better officials. But same thing within football, the spotting the ball that doesn't need to be an official's judgment. Basketball, there's probably some things with. You know, was he behind the three-point line? Something can tell us that. Was it goaltending? Something can tell us that? I don't think it has to be a judgment call well.
Speaker 1:So they've already done with with behind the three-point line. If it's remotely questionable, they play on they, they signal it, it goes, they're reviewed without them having to go check, but they do that with uh goaltending too, like in college, they'll say, oh, we need to check this. What I?
Speaker 2:hate though is is, you know, they go to a timeout and they come back. Oh, we took two points away from this team because we found out it was goaltending. Okay, that's just weird to me.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, though, you don't have to do a stoppage of any kind, so there is no way without immensely changing the ball itself, which I don't think is a good idea to be able to say is that goaltending or not?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because then you're talking about like sensors on players at that point, At what point did it get to like there'd be so many things? It'd?
Speaker 2:be impossible. But I'm thinking of like cameras. I mean we got cameras tracking these golf balls in our driving range. We can track where the ball is.
Speaker 2:It's a static thing, it's a little bit different when you're then talking about this moving plus this moving plus timing. It's a little different. I get what you're saying there. I'm just saying if there's a way for us to look at it, we should. And the the biggest thing I have with the um, the goaltending, is the ones that they actually call goaltending stop it, give it to the other team and then take the points away later, when really that team was getting ready to rebound, and put it back up. So it's kind of like you stopped a play that could have had different things.
Speaker 1:That's a few and far between typically when they call like if they call it a legitimate one. They don't typically go like. At that point we're we're trying to make a solution for a one in a million problem. It's like it's not worth the money that it's going to be a part of. No, no, I agree.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I was using that as kind of an example. But anything that technology can better I'm all for, because I want the players to decide the game as much as possible, not the officials and we see that too much with officials. I mean, that was the whole talk of the NFL this year with with the chiefs. It's been the talk of college basketball for years the but the chief's thing is different.
Speaker 1:The chiefs has nothing to do with. Are the officials just missing things? That is the nfl trying to push a dynasty oh, it feels like that's.
Speaker 2:That's a very different thing so how would we feel, though, if, if technology was spotting the ball and it spotted it just like the official did would we then go all right?
Speaker 1:NFL's controlling the technology you wouldn't know it.
Speaker 2:You don't think we'd still have the same problem, because our eyes would see one thing and technology would take something else.
Speaker 1:Maybe Camera angles can change so many things, I agree. So if the camera is pointed in a certain direction and all of a sudden that thing labels it three inches short, you can't tell three inches on a hundred yard field.
Speaker 2:I agree, like it's impossible so would it fix those problems of everybody?
Speaker 1:questioning. No, absolutely not. Okay, I don't think so, because the thing is all of a sudden it's short, or they got it by an inch, because now you're doing tiny measurements instead of you know the the officials, when they come in a lot, there's very few times it's not on a half yard or a yard yeah, and typically it's on a yard. They don't need a lot of, don't even do half, unless it's late game, really important, like it's to the yard pretty much. If now we're talking to the inch and you either got it or didn't get it by even less than an inch, you can fabricate that anytime you want like it's easy to put in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's easy to put in parameters into a program. You know well, it's this side plus x amount of distance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you could give it to them if you wanted to yeah so I don't think that solves anything like that well, I just think we've got technology and so much stuff. I I think there's use for it in sports too, for some stuff it works.
Speaker 1:It's for some fully in some things I don't think it does. I think it's still like, like in that instance you can still cheat it.
Speaker 2:So I've been seeing it some and I don't watch this very often and you'll know more about me, but in tennis, calling the outs and stuff like that Does it seem pretty accurate.
Speaker 1:Again, it's hit or miss. Okay, Because the same thing Soccer's been doing this for a while. They have their VAR technology. It has been wrong countless times. Yeah. So it's like okay, if we're going to go to this system because it's going to be perfect and it's not perfect, then abandon it.
Speaker 2:Well, nothing's going to be perfect. I understand nothing's going to be perfect To me. Is it better than what we have? And if it's not, I don't want it. Like, if you can't make the technology better than what the officials are doing, then I don't want the technology. It's all about better in the game.
Speaker 1:That's the thing Like with what NFL's getting ready to do. They even make the claim well, we used it in the background last year, okay, well, well then give us the stats on it. What would it have actually done? Would it have sped us up 30 minutes of all?
Speaker 2:game. Didn't they use it in preseason also?
Speaker 1:They've done a bunch of stuff. Who okay, here's my question who watches preseason?
Speaker 2:NFL.
Speaker 1:That's very true. Like that's like watching the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 2:I don't watch most of the season.
Speaker 1:It's like a month before the season and it's like Hall of Fame game in Canton Ohio. That's like why. What are we doing this for Like either? You know, give them their own little summer league. Whatever they're going to do to get ready, let's just start Like this whole, you know a little bit. Spring training feels a little different than preseason football. Those guys play like a quarter.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The guys that you're watching spring training are trying to make a roster, so like it's they're trying really, really hard, it's just different. Preseason's like ah, it's just a warm up, nobody really cares. Some of those guys are trying to make a roster, but they're only getting to play a couple minutes a game.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:These guys are getting a couple of innings like this are you gonna be like?
Speaker 2:yeah, you're just trying to make the preseason is great for the teams, but as far as a fan, yeah, I don't know that it makes any sense. And now, if you're a diehard fan of that team, I guess you probably watch everything. But so.
Speaker 1:But then again I'll say spring training is also different, because when you go you know I have I've never gotten to go and I really would love to, but I've got some buddies that used to go every single year down to spring training for the stars. They're way more laid back, so you're actually getting like a lot of fan interaction with them. For these other guys you're watching really good baseball, but it's almost like being at like a smaller, almost like travel ball style tournament Cause it's just these fields everywhere and it's like all this moving parts.
Speaker 2:You're seeing content constantly.
Speaker 1:So it's. It's a little different, Like again, preseason NFL. It's one game, it's still at an NFL stadium. They still treat it as a. They still treat it as all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's no different other than hey, it doesn't count.
Speaker 2:It's just kind of boring yeah.
Speaker 1:Like that. Baseball is the only one to me that really does it right. Because again, you go to the NBA and you talk summer league, you're getting either the lower guys from the draft, guys that were undrafted and signed, or just these random nobodies. It's like, hey, this team won the Summer League. When has that ever translated to anything?
Speaker 2:It doesn't mean anything at all.
Speaker 1:It's such a waste, so I get it. It's part of their product that they're. Hey, we've got basketball more often this year than typical. I couldn't tell you, if I've ever watched a Summer League game, couldn't name a single team that's won Summer League championships.
Speaker 2:No, I couldn't either it just feels so irrelevant. No, I'm with you on that. I think we disagree a little bit on the technology. I think we want the same thing. It's just trying to find the best way to do it. But again, I see the technology in TGL and I didn't get to watch the one this week, I don't know if you did or not, but they're getting better. It feels like.
Speaker 1:Well, tgl is very different though, because it's TGL is using the base of golf but it is not full-on golf Like. It's still very different, so it's hard to say what technology works there. It is almost its own separate thing altogether.
Speaker 2:They're not putting technology on the course. No, they're, they're taking. No, they're, they're basically taking some new thing altogether which we've seen simulator popularity.
Speaker 1:You know, that is the thing. These similar lounges, these indoor things. You know they've got so, so many of these now that you can play football and then you play baseball.
Speaker 2:We saw not too long ago these things at a golf course.
Speaker 1:In their restaurant, they had a simulator correct yeah, for for the winter time they're doing all kinds of leagues and stuff inside of there and it's like hey, you have a course outside. Yeah, you're still doing this inside doing the inside stuff, but it's. That's what people are doing climate controlled. It's all the weather, so yeah, that's very different. I will say I'm not a big fan of changing a pretty major rule right in the middle of a season, but this one was needed.
Speaker 2:It was needed.
Speaker 1:I agree so far pre-rule change, which they have what's called the hammer. Before it was alternating different teams. Whoever started with it, it stayed with you until you threw it.
Speaker 2:And teams would hold it the whole match.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing. You went up 1-0, you held it the whole match. It's like why do I need to throw it? Why would I? Because I'm just giving them a chance to get back in it. Or you get one successful one, the other team gets it, they throw it and lose, and it's like all of a sudden you're fully in control. There's nothing else they can do. So now it's three per team. I think it makes more sense to me that you just have the ability to do so.
Speaker 2:It's made the matches better, the ones I've seen.
Speaker 1:Pre-rule change, we had one match within a point. Post-rule change we've already had like four. So it's like all right, we're on the right path. We are, I don't know how much of those played into it. So, when you look at it, there's been several that it's like this match could have gotten out of hand if they didn't get to use this.
Speaker 2:Let that get them in. Yeah, because it's like well this team.
Speaker 1:We watched them use two in a row, where before that wasn't even a possibility.
Speaker 2:Well, I do have to say I had to go back and look because you brought up last week about tommy fleetwood, um, chipping one in in overtime. It was overtime. Um, I get mixed up because atlanta still won, of course. Uh, well, atlanta still won. That's what's throwing me off. But because you have three, atlanta won the other two correct?
Speaker 1:so it's kind of crazy that one guy out of three yeah, one guy got a chip in, then you know which I don't mind that, because it's that's the thing. If he ships in, he's the very first person and the next guy sticks it to a foot. It's like all right, yeah, you bested me, but we're not talking like me and you going out here doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If it's me and you, yeah, we probably just need to do one and be done, because Well, no, because they have three people, so it's like the first two go against each other.
Speaker 2:Yes, so you're best out of three, correct, and he just happened to win the one. But what I thought was strange, maybe in a sense, or maybe, this is meant to be this way the two guys that put this league together, their teams are horrible, awful, well, so here's the thing McIlroy and Tiger.
Speaker 1:Tiger Woods has Kevin Kisner on his team.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you saw it this week we have yet another, kevin Kisner, on his team. I don't know if you saw it this week we have yet another, kevin Kisner shank.
Speaker 1:Really it is a. It feels like every time they play he has one and I I saw a um a caption on it today and it was like having Kevin Kisner play with these guys is like having a regular person in the Olympics and seeing what happens. And it's like having kevin kisner play with these guys is like having a regular person in the olympics and seeing what happens. And it's like we're now seeing what happens and it's like he's just again I said it several, several weeks ago he, he doesn't look like he can move well, his hips don't look like he's he's healthy.
Speaker 2:So it's like just stop playing well, so right now, uh, and I'm looking at here three teams have already clinched in the playoffs there's only, uh what four la atlanta and the bay. Yep, there's four spots, yeah new york, jupiter and boston.
Speaker 1:Okay, jupiter and boston haven't won anything yet. Jupiter's won one match oh, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2:They beat boston boston's won none, yeah and the uh. If you go look at the scores, well, what scares me about that.
Speaker 1:That's, keegan Bradley, who is Ryder Cup captain, is on Boston, which, again, he's going to be the captain, doesn't mean he's going to play. We haven't seen a playing captain in a long time.
Speaker 2:So last Tuesday New York beat Jupiter, which is Tiger's team, 10-3.
Speaker 1:Yes, and New York has struggled.
Speaker 2:Jupiter lost to LA earlier in the year 12-1. Yeah, like these guys created this, if I'm Tiger and I created this, my team is going to be loaded Like I'm not going out. Well, look at Tiger's team it is loaded.
Speaker 1:They just haven't had I'm not going out. Well, look at Tiger's team, it is loaded. They just haven't had all those guys every time. I guess Because Kisner has had to play several times, because either Tom Kim wasn't available or who's there Not Fleetwood.
Speaker 2:I'd have to look it up. I can't remember.
Speaker 1:They've got a pretty good team. Apparently not good enough. It's just that Kisner's had to play a lot because he was kind of their alternate and he keeps getting stuck in there. Now I did find it weird. We did see for the first time LA did a one-match deal with Tony Finau to come play because they had two guys that couldn't make it, and they let him do that. Kind of the league was like sign somebody because we don't want to lose a match.
Speaker 2:You've got to play yeah.
Speaker 1:Going to get Tony Finau is huge. It is. He's a heck of a player.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize that Was that recently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like this week. Tony Finau. I love Tony Finau, he's awesome, so that was another good one to get. I don't know if you also saw Brooks Koepka was there this week. I did not. No, I didn't get to watch it this week. So brooks is hanging out with tiger and jupiter when they played. So I'm like all right, if we're getting that, that can't mean anything other than those guys being eligible next year. I mean, bring brooks, bring bring bryson. Like I want to see those guys in there.
Speaker 2:So how would you feel if you're the other team and this first year maybe not so much, but you're the other team and you're like New York we need to get some wins to try to get in the playoffs and they show up to play LA and oh guys, by the way, we're bringing in Finau for one game and it happens to be the game we're playing you I mean, I don't think, I don't think finau is necessarily better than the people they're missing.
Speaker 1:It's not like they're getting like, maybe not. It's not like they went and said, hey, scotty you know number one player in the world that'd be come, come here and play with us, like it wasn't something.
Speaker 2:Is he gonna show up on tiger's team next week?
Speaker 1:scotty is, yeah, try to get him in the playoffs kevin kisner hit the gym and now he's big like scty and there he is. No.
Speaker 2:I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:I don't know that we see Tiger even playing it next year, or he may be the Kisner of next year where he's kind of like the team alternate, but he's there kind of I've run this thing type deal. Yeah, you mentioned it before, he's not playing much.
Speaker 2:I could see him just being like a captain that doesn't play. So they have, I guess, guess, is it one of their caddies who normally do the virtual caddy and stuff for them? Yeah, uh, I could see somebody like getting tiger or somebody like that to just be their caddy guy. Give them advice, you know not.
Speaker 1:Actually, it's all going to depend to me on how many teams do they want to have, because if they expand and they have a bunch more teams, tiger will keep playing because they're going to need the people yeah curious to see if we have any people not re-up their contract for next year, like I don't know what their contracts currently are unless they sign multi-year deals or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:But I'm just curious do we see anybody drop out? Because I mean, you look at Boston Struggled. Are they going to try to find different people? You know, are we going to see like a free agent? Are we going to see it be like other team sports? Is it going to feel like are we going to see trades? Are we going to see? That to me could make it more fun, kind of the off-season of TGL. This just in, tiger traded Kisner and a loaf of bread. A loaf of bread, really.
Speaker 2:Listen, the loaf of bread is worth more than Kisner right now.
Speaker 1:I know bread out of everything you could have said, a loaf of bread I could have went with a million things there and a loaf of bread just popped in my head.
Speaker 2:I know that's what's bothering me Very simple. Why did a loaf of bread?
Speaker 1:We talked about toast earlier, so it's kind of still been there it could have been cheese. It could have been soup. It could. I don't have that, that's not old school Like wheel of cheese is still a thing I don't buy a wheel of cheese.
Speaker 2:I got slices. I got Kraft Singles slices.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, I know what I'm Listen, I don't even think Kisner is currently worth a pack of Kraft Singles.
Speaker 2:I mean he's have you bought it recently? I think that cheese it's expensive, yeah, I agree, but that no, you get cheap cheese you know it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know what the difference is, but it's very different.
Speaker 2:That'll ruin a sandwich real quick.
Speaker 1:Cheap store brand singles. Yeah, we ain't doing that, but anyways, kisner's not worth anything right now. I mean, I don't know that Kisner does it again next year. Well, the fact that Finau came on, I don't know that Kisner's going to be playing golf next year because he's already doing broadcast stuff. I think it was kind of we needed somebody. Let's throw him in. He's got personality, he's fun, he's one to keep around because of that stuff.
Speaker 2:But again, I'm still on the path to put him in the booth. But the fact that Finau came around and Kepka was around, I think it kind of says there's some interest from other guys.
Speaker 1:So they could definitely bring in some other guys. Now, the biggest issue that I think we're going to still see, though, is ESPN likes numbers. Numbers haven't been great. It was down to like 300,000 over President's Day, which is last week.
Speaker 2:But I don't like this time of year that they're doing it Like golf is starting to come back up.
Speaker 1:We're getting into spring, no, so that to me, I think you're overpopulating because you've got late season college basketball so it's like, all right, this is their technical playoff push at this point. Yep, you've got NBA was just at the all-star break, so you've got their midseason starting now to look at that decline push towards playoffs. Mm-hmm. Baseball's getting ready to start. Golf is now having some big tournaments already, and if you're going to watch TGL and you watch any PGA Tour or live, whatever it is, that's putting you watching golf five days a week. For a lot of people that's fine, but for a lot of people it's like that's too much.
Speaker 2:I think you kind of ride the crowd ending college football. Maybe you start showing up around the end of college football. Well, I mean, I guess I'm earlier. I would do it during the regular season college football, because college football doesn't have games that's what I mean more the end of regular season college football, and so to me I would do this two weeks post tour championship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm good. So like right after they finished, because pga does pga. So to me I would do this two weeks post-Tour Championship. Yeah, I'm good with that. So, like right after they finish, because PGA does PGA Fall, it's for a bunch of no-name guys that are trying to get Tour status.
Speaker 2:I couldn't even tell you they did that.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly. I'm into it, so I know it. But it's guys that are trying to keep status or trying to see where they're going to fall. And you know, it's this last little push that they technically call the season but technically also say it's not, because you've already had your championships. So what's the point? So to me it's like all right, put it then. Put it where these guys like they're still in good form, but it's a relaxing, like you're not having to travel a ton, you kind of just go hang out it, just go hang out it needs to be their off-season stuff.
Speaker 2:There shouldn't be guys missing because they're traveling.
Speaker 1:I think it would be a little more fun during that period for sure you did miss.
Speaker 2:When you're listing all the things they're competing with, you forgot NASCAR. I didn't miss that.
Speaker 1:I absolutely did not miss that, yeah you did, which they're not competing with, though, because the day TGL is not Golf is but TGL, though, because the day, the day, like tgl, is not golf, yeah, tgl, yeah, no, I, I agree with that, um, which again tgl put it on one day, on one time and stick with it. I miss so many of them because it's alternating mondays and tuesdays, and it is one week's at nine, one week's at 7, 30 one, I mean it's just that's so hard.
Speaker 2:That's one thing you can say about nascar. You can, you can hate it if you want, but you know what day nascar is on.
Speaker 1:I know not to watch it.
Speaker 2:To be honest with you, there's different levels of NASCAR. There's Truck Series that's been around forever. There's Xfinity Series years ago Older people know it as Busch Series. Then you have the Cup Series. I find myself enjoying the Xfinity Series way better. I don't know if it's because these guys are trying to make a name for themselves.
Speaker 1:The cars are different, I find myself enjoying. Paint Dry.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what you just mute your mic for a minute. Take your headphones off, we'll talk NASCAR.
Speaker 1:I'll lay back and take a nap. If I start to snore, just kick me, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, anyways, you mentioned something earlier. I'm going to get Brad watching some NASCAR with me.
Speaker 1:That's what we're going to do you know I bet Brad, Brad watches it with Larry some.
Speaker 2:I bet Brad would be a blast watching NASCAR with.
Speaker 1:Probably not. Why do you think?
Speaker 2:that. If anything happened, I think he'd be excited.
Speaker 1:He has no attention span, so he's not going to sit there and Listen. Brad is not going to sit there and watch from lap one all the way through.
Speaker 2:No, I need the.
Speaker 1:With any program.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter what sport, it doesn't matter anything, but could you imagine the exciting moments Like that's where he'd be there, and I think it would be great If he's still watching. That's the thing he would watch.
Speaker 1:He would watch Like here's the thing you go 20 laps of them just driving the circle. 90% of that base is like all right, I'm yeah, yeah. All they're looking for is a wreck. That's what people are Like. Most of these fans are like they're only happy when there's a wreck.
Speaker 2:No, no, you don't know NASCAR. That's why you say that I can't agree with you on that. Now, again, I'll say the Cup Series. This year I've kind of been bored with Even Daytona, which is supposed to be an exciting race. I'm not loving it. I think it really comes back to the cars, and you mentioned that's one reason you don't care about cars.
Speaker 1:They're not real cars. They're not real cars. They're not cars.
Speaker 2:But they've done so much recently to try to, I guess, make everything, even that everybody uses the same parts, the same everything, and it's just really ruined it. For me, to be honest, even Atlanta is like a drafting track now, kind of like daytona, and it's supposed to be exciting and I I can't get about it. Now here's one thing I'll say. The big controversy and so I want to get your um opinion on this is not kidding about nascar, so you got to pay attention for this part. There's been some really big controversy around. When there's a wreck on the last lap, okay if it's the last lap. And there's a wreck on the last lap, okay, if it's the last lap. And there's a wreck and they throw the caution, the field is kind of frozen and whoever is leading at that moment of caution wins the race, even if you've not made it back to the line yet. You've got to finish, but you win. They stop it, they freeze everything there.
Speaker 1:So, under caution, on the last lap they stop.
Speaker 2:I mean, if the caution comes out, it's whoever's leading is the winner. You don't continue racing, and the reason being is there's a big rig Because they're going to keep moving.
Speaker 1:You're going to pass the finish line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're going to pass the finish line, but you're not racing anymore. It doesn't matter Like somebody else can pass you the finish line.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter when they go under caution, they still count those as latch right. They do, yes, so it would just be no different.
Speaker 2:No, no, okay, they call the caution because they don't want people in the back kind of racing through a caution, basically, which makes sense. Then other times, if they deem it safe enough, they don't throw the caution and they let the guys race to the finish. And so the big controversy is what should they be doing and why are they doing what they're doing?
Speaker 1:Well, so my thing is if you throw a caution flag during the race, it's no different whether it's the last lap or not, Like if the flag is thrown and you're like all right you don't. You're not technically racing Like you're not. You don't. You're not technically racing Like you're not. You don't be moving spots, you're. You're kind of just frozen in time, but you're making, you still make your circles.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's no different. No, it's the exact same. No, but that's not my question.
Speaker 1:You're right, the question is mean it's going to depend on what is it? If it's worth a flag, that means it's bad enough that they you probably not safe enough to do that so guys in the front are, it's the guys in the back.
Speaker 2:That you're right, you know.
Speaker 1:But that's the thing is. It's not a couple guys leading.
Speaker 2:They can race to the finish still and be fine usually I mean potentially, but it's, it's where it's.
Speaker 1:My look at is like all right, well, here's what it is written within the rules on caution. So if under those caution you can't, you're deeming it unsafe, for because even during the race the front 30 could go by and you throw a caution because there's I don't know how many people are in NASCAR full field. What? 50? 40. 40. So the last 10 are really the only ones affected, but it's still not safe for those last 10, the front's affected still then well, but the same thing happens there.
Speaker 1:Everybody's frozen and you, you can't pass each other and you kind of. That's what I'm saying. It's so different, yeah no, I agree if they throw the caution. You have to do that. If that's where your rule's written, then yeah, you just I.
Speaker 2:The question is, should they throw the caution in some races they have, races they haven't, and a lot of the guys are like we don't know, you can't caution half the field you can't like.
Speaker 1:No, no, what they're just doing basically is saying it meets the specification of a caution. So they're just throwing it Like they're not looking at the situation, but sometimes they're not throwing the caution when they might should, and so that enforces the rules.
Speaker 2:nascar rule book is the only one I've ever seen that basically gives them discretion to do whatever they want, like it's a rule, but we can, at our discretion, do this or we can do that and maybe that's like we've seen that other sports over years, but it never works well, like you see it go away from that pretty quickly, because it's just, it's too it's been that way a long time for nascar.
Speaker 1:Maybe they're seeing like, hey, it's causing controversy, so it's here's the thing. Controversy in any sport is good for the sport like it puts eyes on it like I'm not going to give a crap about any NASCAR race, but you tell me this guy won at the very end because he, I mean, just absolutely wrecked this guy and they didn't call anything on it and he won. All right, I might read that article, yeah, but if nothing controversial happens at a finish, I'm not going to.
Speaker 1:No, I'm with you, so most of your non-current fan base controversy fits, so maybe that's what they're playing off of. I don't know, obviously, but that's with any broadcast. I feel like if there's controversy they always play that up immensely.
Speaker 2:We need a stipulation with downloads or something to where you've got to watch a NASCAR race or like a short. We can do the all-star race, maybe in the middle of the year. That's shorter, absolutely Something. Yeah, we have to at least get you watching it. No, that way you can just come on here. You're just going to come on here and trash it and then you're going to make everybody mad.
Speaker 1:I can trash it now if you really want me to.
Speaker 2:But that's the thing, so you could say it's boring but you don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1:Growing up, my neighbors, who are my cousins, are huge NASCAR fans.
Speaker 2:They don't watch it anymore because they say it sucks. I just said it's boring, there's so many people.
Speaker 1:It's not enjoyable. There's no names that you get behind. There's nobody that you're just full on in. All those guys have technically retired.
Speaker 2:But who you're talking about. I said myself it's boring, Like I'd rather watch the Xfinity series this year. But the guys who say that stuff are those old school guys who were Dale Earnhardt guys, Jeff Gordon guys, whoever, and they just can't handle a younger generation coming in.
Speaker 1:Well, there are plenty of stars, stars in the sport, but there's no star outside of the sport. There's nobody in nascar currently. They were like, oh, we know who that is, even out of nascar that's a nascar problem, but what I'm saying, though, that's you have to build that as they're coming and they didn't I think it's, uh, a different time.
Speaker 2:It's partly part of it because back then racing was so different. You know, I would be curious to see, uh, our racing viewers, viewership, fandom, whatever is it up or down like just racing across the board from from years ago, because I feel like racing was bigger back then I've not looked, so I think you're seeing.
Speaker 1:So some of the viewership numbers I looked at when we were talking about it a few weeks ago when it was NASCAR's year to start. You have seen like a growth in like F1 stuff, which again, that's not really a big thing in America.
Speaker 2:That's not super popular here in other countries more so.
Speaker 1:But you're seeing some boost in it. But I think part of there is just marketing Like they're just they're more out there than they used to be. So I'm not really saying that that's nothing against NASCAR, because it's just NASCAR is an American thing, it's only America. Like you're not getting the outside viewership, it's just not common.
Speaker 2:They're going to Mexico this year, which I don't know what that does.
Speaker 1:But I would say, yeah, race down there on the streets, there's not much to it.
Speaker 2:So as a NASCAR fan, I don't like when they go like Mexico and race on the streets like get back to the tracks, let's be NASCAR. You know there's, don't do too much of that away from it.
Speaker 1:So do you think NASCAR shouldn't do road tracks?
Speaker 2:I'm okay with some. Uh, they're they're trying to get that other audience because nascar has gotten big lately. Uh, in other countries, as in, they're bringing in drivers from like australia and things like that that we're doing, these other road racing type stuff.
Speaker 1:I mean, they've brought in some guys usually it's been like some spaniards and things of that nature which racing is huge and in europe like that's, that's such a massive thing, it's road racing and those guys come over Everything where there is road racing. They don't do Circle track.
Speaker 2:And I think NASCAR is doing Too many road races Trying to capture more of that audience and I wish they'd just get back to the road NASCAR came from. Like you're talking about Run of Moonshine and the old dirt track races and your local guys and like, just just be that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, nascar was founded on backwoods rednecks run from the police. Yeah, like that, I mean that's just what it was.
Speaker 2:That's just, that's not a sophisticated version of that, but it's not even really sophisticated. Let's just be a modern, you know, law-abiding version of that here's the thing.
Speaker 1:I will never get into nascar, and the biggest reason is always going to be the car I get that. I just the car like. If all of a sudden they're like, all right, let's actually just use cars, let's use real cars. There's gonna be all the stipulations, all things on it. You know, whatever that may look like, that would bring me closer to it how many series do that?
Speaker 2:do you know? Like there's a couple right that use? Oh, there's a bunch, but that's all, yeah, okay that's, I mean that's.
Speaker 1:That's not a like if you're gonna do american racing with actual cars you're looking at like autocross so what about, like your local dirt track?
Speaker 2:who has like the um, uh, what's so? Chevette series those are real cars, those are chevettes but you're talking dirt track that's well no, some of them run on blacktop redneck than that some of them run on blacktop yeah, but all, all of the like again.
Speaker 1:If we're going to go into what I don't like, all right, you don't have real cars. And then hey, if you weren't sure what was going to happen next, they're going to make a left turn Like oval track is boring.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:There's just nothing to it, it's literally watching guys drive.
Speaker 2:I get you. It's a personality thing, because I feel the exact opposite. I am bored to death watching road racing, any kind of road courses, it's just too long. Motorsports as a whole though, is not a Left, right, left right. I guess I just don't need all that.
Speaker 1:There's very few people on the fence of motorsports. You're not. Eh, I don't mind it, You're. Either you like it or you don't. Yeah, Motorsports as a whole for me is not interesting. It's not a fun thing.
Speaker 2:Whether you like NAS, you're all in on that. Sure like these guys that do it 100, like that's their thing it's their identity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean like even just as a fan, most of those people, that is their full-on identity is there any other sport that's like like?
Speaker 2:so nascar has like older retired people, whatever that just literally travel track to track to track with their campers there's the people do that with the biggest sport in the world, soccer.
Speaker 1:Okay, not in America.
Speaker 2:Okay, I can see that.
Speaker 1:That is, look at any, you know, Premier League or whatever you know, over in Europe. They're at every game, that is like the amount of jerseys they own, the different colors of jerseys they own, like their life, which the same thing. You can travel to weigh matches over there. Like Europe is much smaller than our country, so it's easy to just hop around, just go. I'm not saying it's like super cheap or super easy, but you can do it here if it's like. Well, I'm into MLS and my team is Miami, we're in North Carolina.
Speaker 1:I'm not getting to go watch them much, and I didn't watch them much, and then now they're playing somebody in Washington State. I'm not getting to go watch that, that's too far, but I would assume.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess it's different. Like I was going to say, I would assume, like, take a basketball team in Charlotte.
Speaker 1:I would just want to blank on the name Hornets, hornets. I was going to say Bob Gansky.
Speaker 2:You do this every time. I do it every time I don. It's just that one. I'm sure there's people that like go to every game, just like a kentucky basketball fan. I know there's people that just go to every kentucky basketball game, but you don't have to travel to it, it's the same arena every single time.
Speaker 1:When we lived close to there at one point, you could get tickets for like five dollars. Yeah, now you're talking nosebleeds yeah but it's still like five bucks. So like, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2:but like you're talking, about like we mentioned with nascar, or if you're a rallycross guy or soccer, you'll travel around to every place. It ain't just the home place I'm going everywhere they're at I'm going, so I think it's dedicated fan bases.
Speaker 1:It's like your big fan bases. In other sports we always say it Alabama football, georgia football. They travel. Well, tennessee is a huge one. Tennessee will travel anywhere in the country to watch their team play. Go to every game. That's just the way they are. It's a dedicated fan base. So where in soccer, like I said, we don't really see it in America because our league is not a top league? Notice across the world, all those are Spanish leagues and all the European stuff.
Speaker 2:Does soccer ever get big in the US, you think? Or is it going to kind of always be like hockey and be that second tier Hockey's growing, don't get me wrong so hockey is part of the big four, Like it's football, basketball, baseball hockey. It's the fourth, I was going to say how many hockey teams do we have? But several of those are in Canada.
Speaker 1:So you can't quite count that? I don't think but the NHL is immensely more popular than soccer here, other countries not so much. I mean again, soccer is the biggest sport in the world.
Speaker 2:Is soccer ever going to catch hockey Like here?
Speaker 1:locally soccer is growing like crazy it is, but you're just talking about, like, small town. I can't see professional soccer growing to that extent because, again, like, what makes it so crazy in these other places is how many teams you have within three hours. Okay, I mean like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we could never really have that. We don't have that in anything else.
Speaker 1:There's a guy I used to see some different reels of, and he's a british guy that's lived in america for a long time. He just went back and he's like there's people that talk about 45 minutes to get across their town. He's like I've went through seven cities in 45 minutes it's like it. You got to think about the size of those areas is so much smaller yeah europe as a whole is nothing compared to america. So when you've got 20 teams in one country, yeah, you could go watch all of them yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:It's a whole lot easier we're here like the closest soccer team for us.
Speaker 2:I couldn't even tell you like we have nothing near us here I don't know what made soccer so big in the world, and again from America it never has been big here.
Speaker 1:Cheap and easy to play, it doesn't take much.
Speaker 2:You need some grass and a soccer ball.
Speaker 1:So when we used to do a bunch of mission trips in Mexico soccer is huge in Mexico we actually got to go one year during the World Cup. Mexico won, the entire country shut down.
Speaker 1:They were doing parades and up mexico won like the entire country shut down. They're doing parades and this was like a group play thing, like it was ridiculous, but uh, and then when they made it to the, to the actual bracket, the place shut down again like it was. It was nuts. But I mean, the area we were in is dirt huts and dirt road, like there's nothing there okay they all play soccer because all you need is a ball. They didn't have shoes. They're drawing goals on walls.
Speaker 2:We just call it if it was close, I can see that.
Speaker 1:It doesn't take anything, you don't have to.
Speaker 2:You really don't even need that much space or anything.
Speaker 1:No, you can goof off and play in a small area. With basketball you've got to have a little bit more. You got to. You know the goals is what is part of it, like you, got to have something that is. But I mean, gosh, these kids will play soccer and nothing. Yeah, it doesn't matter to them. So it's just, it's a whole lot easier.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've heard.
Speaker 1:Is that why the fan bases are what they are in other countries?
Speaker 2:I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I've heard the uh old generation talk about kicking the can. Maybe that's a similar and that's all they had. They say is they kicked the can? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, but I mean, I think that's part of the reason, like, why baseball has always been so big. I mean, you always see the old videos of them playing in the streets in new york. It's like it was a stick. Yeah, I, they didn't need anything. This car parked here was first base. There was nothing you needed.
Speaker 1:I think it just depends on what you have, because, again, motorsports are never going to be that big. It's too expensive.
Speaker 2:American football.
Speaker 1:You've got to have way too many things to play on that actual level. You can goof off and play football in your yard. Rugby again. I don't know how much push they'll really make. It's actually grown in America, but I can't ever see it really push.
Speaker 2:I've never gotten into rugby. Maybe I would if I watched it enough.
Speaker 1:Maybe Again. It's again, it's a cricket, it's another massive sport within the world yeah, I don't even think about that one in america that is non-existent. Like you don't, you don't even know that that's a sport. I couldn't tell you a single rule about cricket I can't either I know what it is. But then I've seen them on, like some of the ESPN stuff this and this and I'm like what does that mean?
Speaker 2:The only thing I've seen. It's like baseball and the pitcher has to bounce the ball. Yeah, that's all I know.
Speaker 1:And then they smack it with a and they hit it with a flat stick.
Speaker 2:With a paddle that your principal had back in the 60s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a big flat mat, basically, so, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I don't, I don't know much about it. Um, and the field is like round, like it doesn't like like baseball, where it all goes one direction, like, yeah, this is so, that's what we're gonna have to do.
Speaker 2:We're gonna have to just start checking out these random sports we know nothing about, and just to figure out what it is.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna be so bored so quick though just because I like to know something I like to know, something going in and like'm going to have to go do a bunch of research just to know anything.
Speaker 2:No, you just got to turn it on and be like is this fun to watch or not? That's what you got to do and see if it's any good. What are we?
Speaker 1:watching. Was it ESPN the Ocho? All the weird stuff that they play on there. Sure, I'm not going to lie, I've watched cornhole on there because like they have the.
Speaker 2:That's such an american thing. No, but I'm just saying like, why that's on?
Speaker 1:espn makes no sense to me, like that's not a. Is that a sport? I don't think so. It's a game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you you play in your backyard. It took out like that's, that's not a sport. You know that. That reminds me, um, I say it's just, it's a game, whatever. I've heard that term my whole life about sports and stuff and just like what we're talking about the amount of stuff that we put into sports even as fans like it's more than a game like it's. It is well, but everything, that's what but like you're right, cornhole is doesn't feel like more than a game to me right.
Speaker 1:But I think when it gets into the team aspect and you, it starts having its own personality. That's's when it's like, okay, now it's more than a game.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like it's, it's part of life, like and again it's weird to me to think about this because I've never been this way but people that aren't into sports at all. I don't know a lot of those people, but I know a few of them. I know a few like outside of that. Like what if you have no interest in any kind of sport?
Speaker 2:I don't know what I would do, so like my father-in-law is not huge on sports right, but he's a big time musician, loves I mean, he can play any instrument, loves music, sings everything, so that's kind of his thing.
Speaker 2:So I guess everybody finds something. But I'm the same way. I couldn't imagine not having sports in my life and that's like playing football, even at the high school level. I remember coaching a youth game, a big game, and we lost and I was like tore up and like it was more than a game to me coaching a youth team. Like these people depended on me.
Speaker 1:I felt like and it's that way in high school.
Speaker 1:you know, it's such a weird thing because, like you, make such an attachment to it you do and it you can't really explain why you do, but you just do like anybody that basically decides this is my sport, yeah, why, like what? What really drew you in? And you can say you know there's this and there's this and this, but it's all just to you. To you it's that, but to somebody else it's like I don't see that so you kind of went through that in college.
Speaker 2:And when injury happens and something's taken away from you, oh, it's a big deal. It kills you like, because the worst thing in the world and if somebody walked up to you and said, oh, it's okay, man, it's just a sport, you'd be, like no, not like this, got throat punched.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm saying at that point in time because it's like no, like I. You got to think about how many years of my life I devoted to get to here yep. So it's like now I've done all that work. I did the hard part by getting to be on a team, you know, because very few people even get to that level and then an injury ruins it and it's like at that age. So your immediate thought is what was my whole life for?
Speaker 2:What did I?
Speaker 1:do all that work for it is it's like all those wasted hours and that's the immediate, like negativity side of it. You know, obviously I wouldn't change the you know the memories and wouldn't change the stuff that I learned. And you know the memories and wouldn't change the the stuff that I learned and you know really it teaches you how to deal with certain situations.
Speaker 2:So I wouldn't change any of that, obviously, but it's like, well, even me different so I I always loved football, played football as long as I remember and I kind of started dealing with a foot injury in high school and it just kept getting worse and I played through it and kept getting worse, get worse and got to my senior year and it was it was.
Speaker 2:I had to battle through it and it like ended it for me and and that's tough even at a high school level, because there you're thinking maybe I can go into college, maybe I can this, maybe I can that.
Speaker 1:I think, what makes that so hard too, and because I've obviously had plenty of time to sit back and think about it at this point you're not getting to end it on your own terms.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's huge.
Speaker 1:It's not like you got to the end of a college career, end of a high school career, even Just like yeah, I'm either. You know most athletes have a pretty good self, pretty good ability to recognize. Am I actually good enough to go do something else with it, like, can I go to the next? Now you have a lot of delusional people, but my basketball career, if I was, I've been able to finish my college career. I knew without a shadow of a doubt that was it for me.
Speaker 1:I didn't have any ability to go play professionally overseas. I didn't have any. Now I probably could have found some no name, nowhere that couldn't have spoke a language or made no money. Not worth it, yeah, but I had no ability to go play in the NBA. So it's, you know that, for me to be like all right, now it's done. But I kind of got to decide now it's done instead of that's, that's the big thing.
Speaker 2:Just it's taken away. I agree, because that was the same thing that I said. Even high school was like this wasn't my terms, I didn't get to walk away on my terms, and. But even as a fan, like okay, so your thing was basketball, mine was football. But looking at other sports, as a fan, I still feel that way, like you get devoted to teams and you put money in and you go watch your team and you're, you know, you're up and down with the team. So, even as a fan, I feel like it's not just a sport, like like, especially in america, and like you said, soccer is that way.
Speaker 1:In other, you just get attached to it and it's, it's, it's so much more like it's, like you know. Like you said, you're huge into college football yeah when college season ends, it's kind of like you almost feel like a void for that first couple weeks. You're like that's just what I did oh and I'm already looking forward to next year.
Speaker 1:I was watching for games and I was watching big games and I was finding this and finding stats, and it's just very different. And now, all of a sudden, it's like now, what do I do with my time?
Speaker 2:Well, even so, college football, yes, I mean, I'm waiting for it, even next year. I love it, just football, something about it. Like you said, you don't know what draws you to what you do, but something about football just drew me there. But now I'm even that way. I'm getting that way with college basketball, especially when the tournament hits, and I'm really into that. I'm going to be down when that's done, like I'm going to be maybe not as invested, but really close to as invested, even in a sport that wasn't my sport.
Speaker 1:That's, to me, the difference. With college basketball you will get the attachment, but most people don't get that attachment until late. College football you kind of have the attachment all season, Like it just feels very different. College basketball you're sitting back thinking, well, they have 30 regular season games, you 30 plus actually I think your team, you probably still get pretty attached to see. That's the thing. But, like with college football, we'll do it with just a big game oh yes, we don't care, no matter who it is if it's a one verse two of teams that I despise both of them, I'm still gonna watch it.
Speaker 1:because it's one verse two College basketball most people unless you're just really into it, most people I'll look and see who won. You're not going to sit and actually watch it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's very different. I agree with that 100%. It just doesn't have that same attachment, knowing that, with football. I didn't know if that was me because I love football or if that's just you saying it. It's different. Now I do got to ask you a basketball question, okay, because I saw this today and I'm sure you know it? Did Hubert Davis really sign an extension in December?
Speaker 1:Oh, don't get me started. Come on, I want to hear about it. Don't get me started.
Speaker 2:I guess, from what I read, it was something over the summer and then he signed it in December.
Speaker 1:I saw this and it was shared from one of my buddies who's a big Clemson fan, who recently made the statement. I want him to stay because now we have a better shot in the ACC. I told you I wanted him to stay too, Unless he went to Duke and I'm sitting there like this has got to be a fake account, it's got to be a troll, it's got to be something. It wasn't, no, was it like through 20?
Speaker 1:his 30 or something it was supposed to end in like 20, 27 like his. Well, that was still too long his current.
Speaker 2:Yeah, listen, I mean everybody. I can't speak, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Like I read this and I was.
Speaker 2:I was over it did he get a raise and everything with it I'm sure he did.
Speaker 1:Most of these guys don't sign a contract extension without getting something. Yeah, like the only one I can think of in recent history is Oklahoma State's football coach took a pay cut. Restructures contract extended Just to guarantee more years yeah, just for time. And I'm like you don't see that typically.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean Hubert Davis. If he's like this might be my last shot and he gives me years I can.
Speaker 1:So it's frustrating. He signed a top five kid, I it was. I think he's like fifth kid in the nation and everybody's like, oh, hubert just extended his job and I'm like for one kid, for one kid, and he's not even a post player he's another guard.
Speaker 1:You don't know if he's any good yet either. We don't. We don't have anything in the post. And so now here's the worst thing too and it's weird to say this as a Tar Heel fan they're going to mess around and potentially make the tournament. You think they will. They're like 20, so if they're 18-11 right now, okay then maybe their last loss was to a ranked Clemson team For that. Their last loss was to a Duke team. So like they're going to lose to the top three in the conference Louisville, duke and Clemson they're losing to those guys. Fine, carolina can lose that last game to Duke. Who cares?
Speaker 2:You think those three get indeterminate for sure, right?
Speaker 1:So those three are pretty much lost.
Speaker 2:Like those are.
Speaker 1:I is showing ACC getting a minimum of three and it's those three period. They think ACC could get five. I'm not sure where these other two are coming from, but there's that projection, like you said, north Carolina maybe, I guess. North Carolina. Right now they're still given like a 40% chance, and so basically, what it looks like is they need to win out the regular season. Okay, you could lose to Duke, fine, but they probably need to win at least two, maybe three rounds in the tournament.
Speaker 1:Which would be like almost getting you to the championship game, so that championship game is on Saturday, right? Yes.
Speaker 2:Cause there's always a big thing with SEC being on Sunday and and I hate a championship game being on Sunday it doesn't make any sense to me, because then they don't have time for that game to really feel like it matters. No, we've seen it in the past with SEC. It does not get factored in.
Speaker 1:And I'm like, all right, why not just move everything back a day? It wouldn't be that hard. You can move everything back a day.
Speaker 2:Well, the SEC already starts like Wednesday, so they have all these play-in stuff. Well, I say it's even harder now.
Speaker 1:All these conferences have 16 teams. It's so hard.
Speaker 2:I mean that makes the brackets huge. I saw again today, 13 in SEC right now, with 14 being the first, four out the 14th team.
Speaker 1:So that's dropped a little bit on some of the projections.
Speaker 2:Well, that was Joe Linardi, Don't get me started on him too.
Speaker 1:We can go on that. For a while they were showing SEC with probably closer to 10.
Speaker 2:Okay, because he has Arkansas even getting in.
Speaker 1:I don't see Arkansas getting in.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Record's getting a little bit better.
Speaker 1:They're probably getting close to North Carolina, so currently they've got nine being locks and outside of that the numbers start to get pretty low. Okay, so it's like nine, with Vanderbilt being like a potential tenth.
Speaker 2:So Vanderbilt just won tonight Texas A&M. They beat Texas A&M tonight.
Speaker 1:So that again is going to help them. Beat them by two Yep. Yep, texas and Arkansas are currently in overtime, but beating Texas doesn't do anything for you.
Speaker 2:Well, I didn't get to watch the Kentucky game because it was on while we were recording here, but I just saw the score of that.
Speaker 1:What happened there?
Speaker 2:They beat Oklahoma by one at Oklahoma.
Speaker 1:Oklahoma's not very good.
Speaker 2:They're not. Well, some haven't projected in the tournament. I don't know they're a really low chance.
Speaker 1:So, looking at Lunardi in his mind, go ahead and throw 16 SEC teams in and he'd be happy with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1:That's just kind of the way and I'm like all right, obviously not 16. That makes no sense. There's going to be a bunch of them getting it. Don't get me wrong to have a ton.
Speaker 2:Depending on how it goes, because again they're beating each other up and I don't know if that's helping or hurting because you're having, like I just said, Vanderbilt beat Texas A&M. That wasn't supposed to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I see 10, tops 12 maybe I don't know that they'll even get 10 when it comes into the tournament time Post their SEC tournament. If Vanderbilt goes out and loses a first round, they don't make it. I think a team like that almost has to win at least one.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying they've got to go far, but I think they've got to win one. I don't know I still see 10 getting in and we'll see how it plays out, but I see at least 10.
Speaker 1:I just think it's one of those. I think you could potentially see Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Missouri, Mississippi State all losing the first round at NCAA tournament.
Speaker 2:Possibly, but I still think they get in.
Speaker 1:Right, but I'm just saying at that point cool, you got in, you lost. It's for any of these? So back when the ACC, duke used to do it Like oh Duke's the championship team. You lost to Buttonall, you lost to teams. That's like we've never even heard of these guys, like it doesn't mean anything to go in and then lose first round.
Speaker 2:Like it's just such a waste. I mean it's still a big deal to get there. That still means something to get there, Because, I've said, the tournament it's a one-game scenario I just don't like to me.
Speaker 1:You got to be the top 16 of 360-something teams and I'll tell you you had a good season. Outside of that, you probably didn't do well.
Speaker 2:So you're going to say you're going to tell 340 teams That'd be 26. That's too many, 350 teams basically. Pretty much yeah, their season sucked.
Speaker 1:As a whole. Yeah, oh, yeah, okay. I mean Well, especially when you start talking major programs, you're like, oh, we've got a championship team this year, then you at least got to go make it.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I'm with you there.
Speaker 1:You can't say Now here's the thing For some of these teams, winning five games is a good season, depending on what they've done previous seasons.
Speaker 2:So that's all, depending on what their overall program is I expect to see 10 SEC teams in there? Yeah, I'm not expecting 10 to make it to Sweet 16, by no means.
Speaker 1:Well, when you have 10, again, there's 32 first-round games. You've got 10 of them, so one of them is probably going to be playing somebody in a second round or a third round. I mean, it's hard to spread them out that way.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they're going to hit each other I mean, it's the same way for years.
Speaker 1:The big 10 had a bunch, the big 12 was getting a bunch. When you start getting six and seven and eight teams into the tournament, you start getting conference games scheduled when you didn't really want them to be. So it just makes it tough.
Speaker 2:Well, last I saw three of the SEC they have as a one seed. I don't know if that's going to hold. I don't see it holding Florida, auburn, alabama, and then Duke I think is the fourth one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think they'll give that purely on perception, even if it should be, I think it's just like that's really hard to do.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:It's really hard to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm looking around going. Who else are you going to?
Speaker 1:give it to. It's going to. I think it just depends on how the season ends.
Speaker 2:Cause like even when I go, we got two weeks.
Speaker 1:When I go and look at like the big 10, they've got, they've got seven, they're saying is a lock? The big 10, yeah, okay with eight, so they've got. Illinois is at 93, so you're saying potentially eight. I see, I'm not of the big 10.
Speaker 2:That's half. That's half of their conference. I'm gonna have to go look at that because I don't feel like I'm seeing that many good teams in the Big Ten.
Speaker 1:No, I mean. Well, they only score 40 points a game.
Speaker 2:That's true. That league is not a high scoring.
Speaker 1:We had a buzzer beater tonight in the Big Ten and it was 58-55.
Speaker 2:I saw that it's like all right. Well, I told you, Kentucky won by one. It was Right, yeah, yeah, 58, 55. I'm going to go look at some of these Big Ten scores now, now that you said that I want to see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you're just. But that's always been a conference they don't score a ton of points, it's slow pace.
Speaker 2:It's the same thing in football, yeah.
Speaker 1:So we said Football's changing a little bit. Two or three podcasts ago.
Speaker 2:Football started that way because of the weather. We felt like a big part of it.
Speaker 1:Good chance, so why is basketball?
Speaker 2:that way, they're indoors.
Speaker 1:Part of it almost feels like the way they recruit. They recruit half-court offenses, they don't recruit. Run the floor, get up and down.
Speaker 2:It's just never been that way. Take your time, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, because I feel like I can just remember watching games of Wisconsin and they scored a bunch by scoring 60. You would see Iowa, which the past few years Iowa's had some really good teams so they were running the floor and scoring a lot of points. But here, my whole life, I just feel like that conference it's going to be a 50s to 50s game, because any time a football score gets you there and you're like, well, that's like a Big Ten basketball game.
Speaker 2:I actually forgot about this. Looking at it now, big Ten actually has 18 teams in their conference now.
Speaker 1:That's right, they do have 18. I forgot they've done that, which is mind-boggling.
Speaker 2:I think they're going to get to 20.
Speaker 1:I think them and SEC both go to 20.
Speaker 2:It's like why? Because they want to be the big dogs At some point Split off and do your own thing. I was going to say at some point You've got 40 of the best teams. Split off and do your own. I think they will Like what's the point? Yeah, That'd be weird though, wouldn't it?
Speaker 1:Well, so there's been, the SEC will probably lead it. If it comes to football, big Ten will fall in line because they're going to do what the SEC does, because they want to feel like they're on that same level, whether people say yes or no, whatever. Because there's been so much controversy with the NCAA, like people aren't happy with them as a governing body, like we've seen very much so that it's tough.
Speaker 2:You know I'm sitting here looking at the scores and you're right, like they're all low scores, it's just what they do. But Maryland got 101 on Sunday.
Speaker 1:A couple Sundays ago Against who Iowa Okay.
Speaker 2:But Iowa scored 75.
Speaker 1:Yeah. There was no defense in that game, but when you go 100 and then you post 55, that's very different. Yeah, I mean looking at a lot of these conferences, what they're projecting in, it's kind of sad.
Speaker 2:ACC used to be fighting for nine.
Speaker 1:They got three, they're showing three locks and no team above 60%. As a fourth, it's like that's sad for a conference.
Speaker 2:We're getting a lot supposedly, supposedly from Big Ten and SEC. Are we going to get a lot of these small schools in there this?
Speaker 1:year I think you'll see a lot more because a lot of those teams are like I said, nil has spread the talent. Just before the NIL I think we saw especially in basketball, guys were more willing to go somewhere because basketball is one and done so if you're really that good, it's kind of like I can go somewhere close to home, I can go somewhere decent, show out and then go somewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can for sure go to a small basketball school.
Speaker 1:Basketball they're much less likely to sit behind somebody than football.
Speaker 2:Yes, but you can still have a chance to make the tournament and everything.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, if you go to a small football school.
Speaker 2:You're just done.
Speaker 1:No you're kind of just wasting your time in a way. I mean, I hate to say it that way, but it's just you don't have the same ability. Like you said, basketball D1, there's no split tournaments like football does, where you have the FBS and FCS. You don't have that. It's 300 and some odd Division I teams fighting for tournament spots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to say there's like 366 or 365.
Speaker 1:But it's always changing because teams are always moving up.
Speaker 2:Teams are coming in and out, some are moving down.
Speaker 1:It's always hard to keep track of. Yeah, I mean gosh, we're right here at March Madness, it's coming up soon. I mean we're gosh, we're right here at March Madness, I mean it's, it's coming up soon.
Speaker 2:Like I said, we got conference tournaments starting next couple of weeks, I want to say around the first of the month, ain't it so?
Speaker 1:there's, I know, like for Carolina they've got three games left. So you're looking at, I think, two weeks before the tournament, for some of the tournaments start Now. Some of the conference tournaments and the smaller conferences start Within the next few days, like they're early. Yeah, they always do that, which is weird when all those start.
Speaker 2:That's when I kind of start watching About all basketball, like I still keep up with it now.
Speaker 1:See, I'm going throughout the year though Throwing a basketball game and I'll sit there and watch it yeah. I just it's easy for me to get into. Well, I can do it.
Speaker 2:But right now, right now there's been so much other sports going on, kind of bleeding in with the. You know we talked about college football.
Speaker 1:We have an oversaturation. Yeah yeah, it's easy to get stuck in like I don't know what to watch because there's so many options.
Speaker 2:There was talk at one point, some people pushing to move the college basketball season kind of more to a dead period and I guess maybe start it I guess after the first year or something.
Speaker 1:I don't know exactly what they was looking at there. Um, it's hard to me because it's like I want, I feel like college and pro should be happening at the same time, because it's like, all right, they're gonna leave here and then they're gonna go here, like it's just it would feel weird, to feel like basketball season is now spread across the year because it's going to interfere with something else.
Speaker 2:I guess the NBA lasts longer, so it gets its moment to shine later. It does the college basketball never gets. They're just in the middle. I guess they do a little bit NFL's done Maybe.
Speaker 1:March Madness doesn't compete with anybody. That's the one thing about it. The way they have their tournament, that tournament doesn't really compete with anybody. That's the one thing about it, the way they have their tournament, that tournament doesn't really compete with anybody else no, that's kind of when everybody gets their attention on it. What makes it so hard is college is less than NBA 82 games. College, if you go undefeated, would be like right at 40 or just shy 36, somewhere in that range, 38, I can't remember at this point.
Speaker 2:To go undefeated. Yeah, you'd be 40. Well, it'd been 40. I guess it depends on some of those.
Speaker 1:I would say it depends on some of your early season stuff, how many if?
Speaker 2:you play a small tournament how many.
Speaker 1:You'd play less games than if you were at the Maui. So some of that's determined there. But yeah, so about 40. Around is pretty much that number around 40, so it's half that that length. They mean more throughout the season.
Speaker 2:I feel like all all 40 matter a little bit more than than the nba.
Speaker 1:Obviously, yeah, you're not, you can't win a ball. Yeah, but you also just feel like those early games a lot of people watch and then all of a sudden, when you're playing nobody's teams, you're like I didn't even even know that was a real team. Most people are just checking out. It's not worth watching for a lot of people.
Speaker 2:I don't know that. It's college basketball. I want to see there, but I'd love to see some sports in that Lowell in the summertime where there's not a lot going on. I could use something there. Now I don't know how you would do basketball there. It's called baseball, yeah, but it's like the only thing. You still need something else going on.
Speaker 1:I mean you don't have anything else going on in other sports.
Speaker 2:What is it? 160-some games?
Speaker 1:It's 162.
Speaker 2:No but, like we said, fall, you've got college football overlapping college basketball and overlapping NFL and overlapping NBA At the very end.
Speaker 1:but at the beginning of baseball, you still have NBA. At the end of baseball, you're already into college football, because postseason's October, it lasts too long. It's, it's long, but like. What I'm saying, though, is like you still, it's kind of like every other sport you have. You have overlapping. You have the one major sport, then you get overlapping again, like with every one of them. They all do it. Nfl does it with NBA.
Speaker 2:No, no NFL does it with baseball, but there are certain times where you have several going on at once, and in the summer you only have one.
Speaker 1:That's the only thing I'd like to see, but you'll get to a point like you're only going to have NBA, like for a very short, brief period. It's only going to be.
Speaker 2:NBA.
Speaker 1:Or like post-college football. This is the first year it's been different, it's been longer, but you only have NFL.
Speaker 2:You don't get the mixture. Speaking of Major League Baseball, because I know we're both Braves fans they finally have a winning record this season, Did you see that?
Speaker 1:Well, it's spring training, so it's like who cares? They lost their first two and then they won their last three.
Speaker 2:They're on a hot streak right now, that's for me.
Speaker 1:I like some spring training baseball. I'll watch some of it, but your win-loss record it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:I don't know what their win-loss record is. They're all exhibitions.
Speaker 1:They keep the stats because it's all part of helps them with everything but it it doesn't matter, like, is it helping you during the season? No, no, you're gonna.
Speaker 1:You're gonna pitch guys that may never even make it to the pros yeah like some of these guys, may not make it at double a, so it's just, it's a little bit hard there. But no, I am excited for baseball season, though it's, baseball has made a big, big surge the past few years of really trying to get back to growth. I think you're seeing a lot of fans come back to it because there for a while it had gotten stale, but it was hard when they were pushing this whole. We are now post steroid era where everything's clean, everything's perfect, but somehow we're pitching faster and we're hitting more home runs and I'm like let's think about that, like that's the workout program like to me, it's again put roger clemens in the hall of fame.
Speaker 1:Put barry bonds in the hall of fame. Put the I don't care like for barry bonds, he is the greatest hitter that ever lived. Like it's hard to argue it because they're like well, he was on steroids. Steroids didn't swing the bat for you. Like he still had to have the vision he still had to have the ball.
Speaker 2:But how many other guys could have been as good if they were on. Sir like had the power he had? Because that's what he had was power.
Speaker 1:A lot of guys steroids, doesn't always just do power, like for a lot of those guys, like some of these pitchers, it wasn't for the strength, it was for longevity, it was for there's so many different things like that steroids in itself is not just going to make you this big, strong person. Sometimes it's just to help recovery.
Speaker 2:Sometimes, like it's, it's very different I enjoy watching baseball, but the games kind of get long and I sometimes find myself the same feeling you say about nascar like it's a pitch to strike. Let'scar. Like it's a pitch, it's a strike, let's wait a couple seconds. It's a pitch, it's a ball, and it just feels like like just so repetitive. And then finally you get a hit oh, foul ball. And we go, and so while it's one of those, I can sit back and just kind of relax and watch.
Speaker 1:What's different about it, though, is like, as you get into baseball and baseball is another one that you've you've got more middle ground fans in baseball, but when you really get into the nitty-gritty of like everything is a puzzle for these guys like you get up there and it's like here here's my sequence.
Speaker 1:Well, no, he's seeing this. I've got to change it up or I'm sticking my sequence. I'm you know how, where I'm pitching, what lane that ball looks like it's falling into, like all these different things. So it's very, very different. And then now the whole mind games of pitch clock and whether that's good or bad for baseball. Whatever. I mean, did it need to speed up some? Yes, I just don't know if that's necessarily the best way to take it.
Speaker 2:Not really sure yeah, I don't, but it didn't need to speed up, for sure.
Speaker 1:It's. It's so weird Cause baseball has all these different like eras of. You had your steroid era. You had your your illegal substance era, were there for a while.
Speaker 2:There was no such thing.
Speaker 1:They were putting whatever the crap they wanted on these and like spin numbers were ridiculous, break was ridiculous, and then 2021, they do away with it and it's all of a sudden now we're seeing more home runs, we're seeing the which in every sport.
Speaker 2:That's what they want right.
Speaker 1:They want more runs, they want more of this. So I don't know that we're going to see that across the board Still, with your big guys, you're still going to see it like crazy. But pitchers are just. They're better than they've ever been. The pitchers are unbelievable now.
Speaker 2:I've made the comment before, like with NASCAR and it's a problem I have with golf too but I want to see the whole picture. I need to start from the beginning and see it all. For whatever reason, baseball isn't one of those. I have to do that. I can come into the baseball game, I can be checked out through part of it working, talking, whatever and catch the highlights and it. And it's weird because I've been coaching softball for a while with my daughter coaching travel ball now and maybe I'm a little biased because of that. But I would prefer to watch a college softball game than a major league baseball game. Oh, absolutely not. I think I'd even rather a college baseball game more than a major league.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, no, College baseball is not very good right now. I would prefer to watch it College baseball is subpar pitching with like three guys that can actually hit yeah.
Speaker 2:To me it's more fun.
Speaker 1:The teams are just not good. And there's again. You have so many. There are more college baseball teams than there are. Do you want to call it basketball? I mean like it's an unbelievable amount that's across the board.
Speaker 2:For me, with NFL, nba, major League Baseball, I would much prefer to watch the college versions than the Major League versions. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:I definitely wouldn't with baseball. Baseball is so much more polished when you get there Like it's quality.
Speaker 2:But that takes away from me. No see, like in college like football, like it's different.
Speaker 1:College basketball it's different. Like, yes, a lot of those guys are never going to make it pro, but it's still a very, very high level College baseball. I can remember watching a Texas A&M game, which is hilarious because they will count out how many balls the guy threw 17 straight balls. You're never going to see that. That's interesting to me.
Speaker 2:That just means you're not any good, that's okay, but it's interesting, that's not fun.
Speaker 1:That just means you're not any good, that's okay, but it's interesting, that's not fun. That just makes the game even longer and more drawn out when baseball can be stale, if you're going into things like that, so baseball for sure is one of those. Give me the pros. I'd much rather watch that Baseball also, though all year those guys stay a little bit more locked in. They don't. I don't feel like they take off.
Speaker 2:They have to. They're playing forever.
Speaker 1:No, but I'm saying, like NBA, those guys don't lock in until the last two weeks, like they don't really give it everything Baseball, like they care about their career stats differently. They care about, you know, this game in July, matters come October, because you know it's a divisional game and I need that one game on Like it's just different. They just have a pride in it. Very different than NBA or even NFL, because NFL those guys lose a game.
Speaker 2:It's like it doesn't mean anything Major League Baseball. To me it it's kind of like we said with PGA it needs some excitement, it needs something to get your attention Again, because it can get very boring at times. Now don't get me wrong, there's some games with some hits going on and some things going on and also I feel like it depends on the team.
Speaker 1:I feel for anybody that is a Chicago White Sox fan, you guys have already missed the next 10 playoffs. Like y'all are awful, like there's nothing that team can do without just going to spend a fortune.
Speaker 2:There's nothing they can do. Maybe they do what you said with all the Japanese guys they just start paying them Deferred payments. Yeah, deferred payments.
Speaker 1:Listen, I'll give you $10 billion 30 years from now.
Speaker 2:I just need you to come play and win some ballgames.
Speaker 1:I don't know what they're going to do. Baseball's even come out recently and said they're going to do and you know, baseball has even come out recently and said they're doing what's within the rules, so we're not going to say anything about it, which I agree, like there's no sense in me making a comment about it if it's currently within the rules. If it was something wrong, then yeah, you comment.
Speaker 2:But as a league, no, they need to fix the rule, though, I mean.
Speaker 1:I think so Probably I'm not a big fan of Baseball is doing what they should do. What if?
Speaker 2:every team just started doing that with every player.
Speaker 1:Then they would change it. It's going to take a bigger sample size. Right now we've got like five on one team. So I mean it's been happening because even Chris Sale with the Braves, he was on a deferred contract.
Speaker 2:But if it works, you're going to start seeing more and more teams try it.
Speaker 1:I think it's going to depend too on a lot of these guys coming from Japan, because they're already like hey, here's the next one for next year and here's the next three for the year after. So if you start getting it like that because, like we said, with the Japan teams, they can go talk to managers and can give the teams money, but can't talk to that guy and give him that money.
Speaker 1:So it's like well, if we give you a million dollars and they only give you $500, you're going to push us more because we gave you more money. So it's like you know you got to touch on some of those things, but again, that's all the stuff that happens in every sport.
Speaker 2:All the politics behind the scenes.
Speaker 1:College football. These guys they enter the transfer portal. They already have decided where they're going because they wouldn't have known there was interest if they weren't already talking to these guys.
Speaker 2:Well see, it's supposed to be. Get in the portal to see if there's interest.
Speaker 1:No, they're getting in the portal just so they can say I'm in the portal, now, here's where I'm going.
Speaker 2:I'd be curious and again, like Power 5, the little schools, I'm sure it happens how many kids get in the portal and go back to the team? And I know it happens, some I've seen it a couple times, but it's rare. It's rare.
Speaker 1:Especially, like you said, the Power 5. It's maybe technically Power 4 now, because football there's not really a Pac-12 anymore. But yeah, I don't feel like you see it often. We did see it, Didn't that kid from Florida? He did it.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm sure in some instances you get in there to say I'm leaving and then the school kind of, hey, we'll match that offer.
Speaker 1:We'll whatever, just stay here. So that probably happens sometimes too. That's the thing, Like a Beck from Georgia less than 24 hours after he's already signed.
Speaker 2:Oh, he already knew.
Speaker 1:It's like all right, y'all have been talking for a long time. Why is that okay? Why are we just okay?
Speaker 2:with. See, I don't have a problem with it. Now, it's a rule that you're breaking, so if it's a rule, you should have a punishment for the rule.
Speaker 1:But that's my issue with it. Like, if we've got the rule, use it Like it's the way it's supposed to be, then it should be.
Speaker 2:I told you a while back, rules are made to be broken and we found out.
Speaker 1:You're the rule follower do whatever we want. That's what ultimately is like we just don't care, we're gonna do it I wish we just get rid of the rule.
Speaker 2:In my opinion, I don't think we need that rule. Let them go where they want. Who cares it's? It's all about money. Really. It's been about money for years. Let's stop acting like it isn't.
Speaker 1:let's just let them do it, because then all of a sudden you're gonna start having guys do it week four. They're gonna say, well, I don't want to be here anymore, I'm going here. That ruins, that, I'm okay with you doing it Now you can't play that year if you do it. I think there should be room for that. Well, why not get rid of that rule? Well, because there is a thing. Get rid of all of them.
Speaker 2:No, because you need rules. What I'm saying is, I can't imagine a coach is of go team to team and stuff. Let the players do that. I'm good with that.
Speaker 1:It's different, though. Coach is under contract, oh no, I agree, it's a very different Again.
Speaker 2:We've talked about that we need contracts. I want contracts, but when you get contracts, let them go where they want. I don't care.
Speaker 1:Well, if it's within a contract, there's nothing they can do. Willing to pay out a contract and then sign you on a new one, like what can you do? Yeah, legally you have no options. Yep, so like that's. That's where coaching is different, because it's you know, I've got this written in my contract. I have this many years. This is the money. Obviously, if I leave early, I don't get that money a lot of buyouts they're paying me. They're gonna pay me 10 times that to go here. So why would I? Why would I care?
Speaker 2:yeah, buyouts on players contracts would stop a lot of it, because the team was can't say I'll give you so much money plus pay this.
Speaker 1:But I do think, though, if we go to contracts, the the amount of money is going to go way down yeah, I do too because? Because then, like you're going to have this, the first guy that signs that really big one. And then he's like oh, I want to transfer crap. It's six million dollars for me to get out of this contract.
Speaker 2:Like I'm, I can't do it, I won't have anything yeah, I mean you're gonna ask kids to make a decision. Do you want the money? And I did see this.
Speaker 1:Um gilbert arenas, on his podcast, made the comment and it makes a ton of sense nil is not for the stars. Like you sit there and say, well, no, they're gonna get more money to get more money. It's like, well, hang on. It's not truly for the stars Cause like, okay, they're going to make 4 million in college. A true star is going to make 60. They're going to win more, so it's like okay that's not much money for them, but the guy that is getting a big deal to him Because that's the end of his career.
Speaker 1:whatever sport it is, that's it.
Speaker 2:That doesn't still okay. It's not going to take a true NBA star, but it still takes a decent college player to get $100,000, I think.
Speaker 1:I think some of these numbers we're seeing are crazy. I don't know about $100,000, because I think any of these big D1 guys, whether they have pro potential or not, are getting a decent amount, because they're throwing around millions for one player Like you could do 10 of those guys for $100,000.
Speaker 2:What do you think a second string on a decent college football team is getting?
Speaker 1:Second string not much, because they're not waiting behind the guys anymore, like your second string.
Speaker 2:I think the talent is dropping. I think your second string now is your old third not waiting behind the guys anymore.
Speaker 1:Like your second string, I think the talent is they're leaving on.
Speaker 2:So I think your, your second string now is your old third string, because the guys are like I'll go get money somewhere else. Like what, what's the?
Speaker 1:point like I mean because even you're seeing like teams like unlv was getting these pretty solid football players on promises of money and they're like, no, we're leaving because you didn't pay it. So those guys probably were second string or first string on some other teams maybe not a very good team so they're like, oh, let's go somewhere better. But then you get into second and third string. Now I don't think it's the same second and third string that it used to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think now you've dropped it, they're all leaving. Yeah, well, that's probably why you're seeing.
Speaker 1:Nobody wants to sit behind anybody.
Speaker 2:It's all about. I want it now you see it, when somebody goes down, injuries Right. You see the backhand come in and it's a drop. There's a reason.
Speaker 1:I feel like the only thing we're not really super seeing that in is quarterback, because it's such a prominent position. On linemen I think we definitely see it. You see a drop in it for the most part. But on quarterback you're not necessarily seeing it because they're not typically same year guy, like if it's like you've got a senior and you've got a freshman, that freshman knows I'm coming in for a year, I've got three years. That's typical.
Speaker 2:Like that's fairly common, or they're just buying another quarterback to.
Speaker 1:Which is happening.
Speaker 2:You're having a junior senior quarterback every year because you're just going to be with them less.
Speaker 1:But you're seeing this junior quarterback get hurt. The sophomore comes in and he just is a stud. Well, he just lost his job. That guy's transferring, he's not staying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's no loyalty to well they brought me in. I'm loyal to this coach. No, you are loyal to playing Coaches.
Speaker 2:it drove me nuts. Coaches would preach on that loyalty and kids transferring and they would up and leave in a drop of a hat for the right money, or that's no different than than the real world.
Speaker 1:Like business, yeah, like all these. All these companies are like you need to be loyal to us, you need to be willing to do the extra mile. Then you need to pay me more, like, like I don't have loyalty to your business. Why would?
Speaker 2:I you're you're not loyal to me, why do I need to be that's?
Speaker 1:what is now turning into sports, like they're really seeing it as a business they're treating it as a business.
Speaker 2:That's what it's been.
Speaker 1:That's what's going to happen, yeah so it wasn't 30 years ago, not to the extent I by no means I'm not saying what you're saying, but it was for coaches it's always been around money.
Speaker 1:Everything is always going to be about money, because if you don't make money, you can't keep it going. Even for coaches, though, they weren't making the money then that they're making now, so it's just way to a lesser degree. So it's a little easier to preach. You know, I'm not going to take $10,000 to go to this other place. I'm happy here. Like it's not a big enough pot to really make a difference If they're going to pay me five million more. Yeah, these guys are leaving in a heartbeat. See you later, what's the point? But they don't have. So the only time you're really seeing loyalty it's like. No, my dream was to coach my alma mater, like I went here, graduated here.
Speaker 2:That's where you get. If I was a college coach and athletic whoever and say, hey, I need this for this, kid like no, we just can't do it. I'm gonna kid say, hey, man, I wish you best. Like I would take it too. Yeah, like, if that's you know I can't do it, they won't. Let me match it here. Best of luck to you.
Speaker 1:I just don't feel like I would do it. In a lot of spots. I feel like these guys are just like yep, they're offering money let's go throwing money around everywhere they're just, they're throwing a ton of it. I mean just millions. I mean Miami paid what? Four for Beck.
Speaker 2:Doesn't that show kind of what's been going on behind the scenes for years? Like as soon as we have NAL, all of a sudden there's millions of dollars everywhere.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's always been there. It's the same thing that's been happening.
Speaker 2:You just now know it. It ain't like we had to come up with this money.
Speaker 1:I feel like before we were maybe seeing it more in, more than they were actually getting the cash in hand. I think they were still getting some of that, obviously, but I think it's easier to. All of a sudden your parents have a new house and all of a sudden there's things behind the scenes where now it's directly going to the kid because it's allowed. I feel like that's really the only difference we're seeing. It's harder for the general public to see. Hey, the entire country now knows your mom got a new house, your aunt got a new car, your uncles are all doing this.
Speaker 2:Most people don't even know them.
Speaker 1:Where now it's like all right, we're seeing, you just got paid millions. Yeah, I mean, it's easier to see it now. I think they just did it a different way before.
Speaker 2:I'm still okay with it, though we need some changes. But pay them, Pay them all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just think it just needs to be done in a way that makes sense, because, like right now for a lot of this, these collectives, I'm like it can't last, because how do you get that money back? They're not doing anything for you to really get that back.
Speaker 2:We got to this point because the NCAA kept holding on to this. No, we're not professionals. No, you're not professionals.
Speaker 1:Well, the NCAA is its own issue. They are not a good governing body.
Speaker 2:And then it got into government who basically said, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 1:These are employees, you've got to pay them.
Speaker 2:And if the NCAA would have done it right to begin with. They could have set all this up the right way.
Speaker 1:The NCAA makes billions off these teams. I mean billions To do nothing. I mean like they're a governing body. I mean it's like getting rich to be in government. It makes no sense. Like, that's not what that position was designed to be, but that's what's happening, so it's just very questionable.
Speaker 2:You shouldn't get into that kind of job. Let's bring Elon Musk's team over to college sports and let them take care of stuff. Hey, can you go check out the NCAA?
Speaker 1:We have a lot of wasted spending there too.
Speaker 2:Boy, that'd be a mess, wouldn't it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think he's going to be too busy and everybody complaining to them now he's got a terrible budget. I feel like you might have more complaints if he did it in that.
Speaker 2:In sports.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. The reason I say that is because right now you're seeing kind of complaints on one side of the aisle, whereas there you're going to be hearing it from fan bases. Because you know good and well, the ncaa is giving more money to certain teams than others. So now and all of a sudden, like no, you're not getting that extra 20 million, those fan bases are gonna be like hang on we don't mind getting that extra 20 million.
Speaker 2:Well, if you're getting extra money, leave us alone.
Speaker 1:Yeah where that's kind of like what's happening now. It's like you shouldn't be allowed to do that because you're taking my money, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's just everybody wants it to be fair until their share gets cut yeah yeah, it's like wait a minute, we should take more of david's money.
Speaker 1:So we're going to take more of david and tyler's money. That's not I said.
Speaker 2:No, that's not what.
Speaker 1:I wanted no, like it's all about let's take somebody else's something, but don't do mine.
Speaker 2:It wouldn't take them long to take my money.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I mean, you could take that. In what 30 minutes you could empty everything?
Speaker 2:you got, it wouldn't be that hard. It's a very different situation. It's going to be a whole lot longer to come up with what I got than it did take them to take it away. I can tell you that, absolutely no.
Speaker 1:I don't doubt that one bit.
Speaker 2:No, but you know what? We're starting to have a common theme here where we hit a lot of sports.
Speaker 1:We're all over the place, almost a little more than usual, but yeah, I think there's. So obviously we've said it here the past few weeks there aren't as many important things happening right now Like some of these, for some of these teams that are floating around that middle of the top 25, you get a loss, you get a win, like you're kind of floating in the same spot. It's not a huge issue.
Speaker 2:It don't even matter right now.
Speaker 1:It's only really important for those top three and four 're like, hey, you can't be a number one if you've lost five games, six games, seven, whatever the number is gonna be this year. Like you've got to be in that two to three to four lost teams. So like those are the important ones. But everybody else is kind of like eh, so if something big isn't happening with those, you don't really have a ton going with it.
Speaker 2:So if something big isn't happening with those, you don't really have a ton going with it.
Speaker 1:No, Even then looking like you don't have a major golf tournament until the Masters in April. There's not a huge push right now until we get to tournaments. That's where our next big thing is.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm excited too because we've talked about, as we're getting over weather, we're going to start taking our show out on site, kind of record on site, different places. So I think that'll be really fun because I'm curious to interact with people as long as it's warm.
Speaker 1:I'm so tired of this cold. I'm ready Because we're getting warm days and really cold nights and I'm already over that that part.
Speaker 1:I'm like I'm just ready for the warm yeah, it's not gonna stay yet I'm with you because, no, we still we still got probably another month, maybe a hair longer, before we start really seeing the warm nights, because I mean march, march, historically, like in our minds. We're like, oh, it's time for it to get warm. It's like, no, especially around here. We've had as much snow around here in march as we have in december, so oh, we have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's still plenty of potential, which I'm not, but we started the podcast, you know, in the winter and so I'm I'm excited to get out, uh, amongst them and the people, and well, I think we'll.
Speaker 1:I think we'll have a lot more personal stuff to discuss too as we get into warmth, cause we're we ourselves are just doing more like right now, like we're just not doing nearly as much stuff.
Speaker 2:I my life right now is a softball. Here it feels like I mean that going again.
Speaker 1:I'm doing all the stuff at the range and hanging out with the family, Like there's just you're not doing like not even like taking family on trips or like you're not doing that kind of stuff yet because it's just, it's not really time for it yet.
Speaker 1:So as we get normal weather and we, we have some more experiences and stuff to talk about, um, but that's one of those things like, as we get to that, obviously we've said you know we're in western north carolina. If anybody listening has like suggestions like, oh you should go try this golf course, this restaurant, this hotel, this whatever, yeah, let us know. If you have questions, like we we'd love to try out some of the stuff that you guys like, or or, at the same time, like we've said before, ask us questions we'll we'll absolutely talk about on the podcast or at least converse with you on social media, like we have a lot of fun with that stuff. So we're looking forward to to everything and we've obviously seen the growth of the show as we've gone over these past couple of months, which has been a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:It's been continuing to grow, yeah, and I appreciate everybody for that we're just looking forward to seeing where else it goes.
Speaker 1:I mean again, else it goes.
Speaker 2:I mean again it's been winter for everybody. Like everything is slow in the winter, like really looking forward to the the change of pace and the the boom of that spring and summertime.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm with you. Yeah, so bring on the warm weather, get rid of the cold. I still blame that stupid groundhog.
Speaker 2:He's he's the cause of this you know, I don't even know what happened with the groundhog he saw a shadow.
Speaker 1:Six more weeks I'm more weeks.
Speaker 2:I don't know what that means, but I just.
Speaker 1:It always makes me think of groundhog day.
Speaker 2:The movie fantastic I love that movie I love that movie.
Speaker 1:I need to go watch that again, just because I haven't in so many years, that's it's so funny.
Speaker 2:um, we talked about the sports movies and randomly someone I was around the other day brought up varsityity Blues. I was like that's so funny, we just brought that up.
Speaker 1:Well after, we talked about it you know, because all of our phones listen so much. I get clips of Remember the Titans on Facebook.
Speaker 2:Are you ready to watch it now, as?
Speaker 1:you scroll through, it's like oh, reels you may like, and it's like I'm looking at Coach Boone and I'm like I've not searched this coach boone, and I'm like I've not searched this, so like where?
Speaker 2:did this come from?
Speaker 1:and yeah, I see this and I'm like all right now I gotta watch it. Everything's listening like I want, but I love that movie. Like remember, the titans is one of the best sports it is so like it's hard not to watch it. So, yeah, I want. I now do want to go watch it, but it's just finding time to go sit down and watch movie. That's the hard part.
Speaker 2:Who's got that time anymore?
Speaker 1:I put it it on the background. I've seen that movie enough I could easily do it. I can't do that I could with certain things If I've seen it enough. That's one of those. I've seen a lot.
Speaker 2:I can't do that with TV shows or anything. I'm just I gotta. My wife gets mad at me because I literally have to hear every word in a show. I'm like what?
Speaker 1:did he say Let, I'm like. What did he?
Speaker 2:say Let me rewind that real quick.
Speaker 1:I can't hear half the stuff that's going around the world anyway, so I'm not going to hear every word. That's true, I just kind of make do with what I got.
Speaker 2:You just kind of piece stuff together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've done that for a long time.
Speaker 2:A lot of stuff starting to make sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean a lot of conversations. It's the. I really can't hear you so it's a smile and nod, or I'm piecing together every third word and kind of like maybe.
Speaker 2:It just depends.
Speaker 1:But I am looking forward to, like I said, get back out on the golf course and just the fun with it. Not even just like the golf, but we always have a blast just going to do all that stuff and the guys we go play with.
Speaker 2:Well, with that, I'll say come out to 4U Golf because the weather's coming back around.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's been busy. Come enjoy the top tracer, come hit off.
Speaker 2:We got grass you can hit off of A lot of rangers. Don't have that right now.
Speaker 1:I had one of our guys, ron. I saw him this morning and he said I was here two days ago in the morning. He said you had four guys from hendersville. Come over, because there's nowhere to hit off grass over there I was like huh, I was like yeah, we've seen that I said I haven't seen him in a while and I'm sure I'll see him when he gets back warm.
Speaker 1:But we've got a couple from spartanburg that are like that's pretty good trip. There is no range. That has both options. He's like we've got one of the other. He said one of the ranges that has grass like it's awful. So they're like we come up here because it's you know they make a once a week trip and they'll stay for like three hours.
Speaker 2:They're there a long time that's I mean, uh, for you golf. Obviously we, we own it, but we've had some people that's helped in different things. Oh, absolutely, it's done a really good job of trying to bring all the pieces together for everybody. It's not just for the golfer, it's not just for entertainment, it's everything all in one. Come enjoy, come have fun.
Speaker 1:No, and I think if you've been there before, if you've looked us up, even seen anything about us, a lot's going to change this year. There's gonna be a lot of stuff happen this year that you're gonna really see. It really is for all parties, not just the golfer. It's gonna be. It's gonna be way more entertainment, way more on the fun side, but it's also going to give a better atmosphere and an easier ability to come year-round for the golfer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like we're gonna see a little bit of everything and I can't say enough family friendly oh my gosh bring your kids, bring your whole family out, enjoy it we had a message a while back that they were like, hey, is there an age limit? And I'm like I don't even know what, like, what do I say to that? Because no, like, absolutely not. I mean my, my three-year-old was there today hitting. Yeah, like he shows up and he's like, daddy, I want to hit, I'm like sure, son, you know man, that's your own heart there.
Speaker 2:Like I'm all for it.
Speaker 1:Like get him into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Bring the whole family and, of course, psychotic, crazy, gonna bite everybody.
Speaker 1:Dog, but yeah, we have a lot of dogs come out we're gonna have to have a dog night we've talked about it, we just haven't well it. So we hit the storm and we hit winter. When we were discussing it. So it's like well, we gotta wait till spring, but we're right here at it. So we got a bunch of stuff planned um already planning our customer appreciation slash anniversary event that'll be coming um sometime around june. So look forward to that stuff too. But we're close. We're close to the warm weather.
Speaker 2:This last little bit always feels like it drags on yeah, and I say the same thing with for you, golf, and I say it with not amused. If, if you listen to us, you see us out of the range, come say hi, come talk to us. We like talking to our customers and everybody really, I mean especially tyler. If you come talk to Tyler, you're not going to work for a while.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say, come talk to me, it'll get me out of something else I've got to do yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll gladly. That's when I'm working on something Like where did Tyler go? And he's over there talking Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but half the time you don't want to stop, you'd much rather just go.
Speaker 2:We've established that on this podcast when I'm in. I got to be in it, I got to get done. I got to see the whole picture. I got to, you know, but no, I love talking to people too.
Speaker 1:I don't mind it, you meet some interesting people. Oh, we've met some interesting people, gosh. We could spend a topic just on that, on people we met out there.
Speaker 2:Next topic, because we already had the Louisville thing. We both just said that word, completely different. I'm not going to get into it tonight because it's already late. What word was it? I don't remember. I said interesting.
Speaker 1:Interesting, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 2:You said interesting.
Speaker 1:It's the same word. It's just enunciation, is it? I don't know, it's just enunciation it's not.
Speaker 2:You tried to tell me, louisville, there's no pronunciation difference there, that's just enunciation.
Speaker 1:That's a little different.
Speaker 2:Gosh pronunciation enunciation. Okay, it's time to go to bed.
Speaker 1:I got to get him a dictionary and a thesaurus, so, but thanks everybody for being here with us. We've, we've had a blast. We we're just going to keep continuing, keep keep growing and having fun with with everything we're doing. So thanks for being along with the ride and hope to see you soon. Yep, Thanks everybody.