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Dunk Debate, Coaching Legends, and Golf Grooves
Ever wonder how the unpredictable weather in North Carolina impacts the golfing season? We kick off with a chat about embracing the sport come rain or shine, then take a fun detour down memory lane with our musical tastes—remembering legendary bands like Diamond Rio and Eddie Money. We explore our own musical adventures, or lack thereof, and share some laughs about the attention musical talents garnered back in high school. Whether you’re musically gifted or just enjoy a good tune, this segment is bound to hit a chord or two.
Switching gears, we tackle the NBA Dunk Contest and the notable absence of star players like LeBron James. We dive deep into how these decisions shape legacies and stir debates about who truly reigns as the greatest in basketball history. Tyler Herro and Mac McClung's performances take center stage, sparking conversations about eligibility and the allure of All-Star weekends. This leads to a broader look at the current NBA landscape, historical greats, and how today's legends stack up against icons like Michael Jordan.
In the realm of college sports, we dissect the pressures faced by athletes and the legacies of coaching giants like Coach K and John Calipari. From recruitment strategies to the evolving dynamics influenced by Name, Image, and Likeness agreements, we pull back the curtain on college basketball's transformation. We don't stop there—we ponder playoff systems, compare different sports environments, and even find time to reflect on casual golfing fun and Post Malone's surprising musical versatility. It's a conversation filled with insights, humor, and a shared love for sports and music.
Welcome back to the non-muse podcast, back for another week with Tyler and David. Hello everybody, and again I'm trying to keep the streak alive, proudly sponsored by 4U Golf Brevard, north Carolina, only top tracer range in Western North Carolina. If you haven't heard of us, please look it up. Please check us out. We're getting ready to start booming into the season and we're going to get busy.
Speaker 2:I promise you that you say we're starting booming in the season and it's snowing outside right now.
Speaker 1:Okay. So yes, this is true, it is snowing. It's pretty much snowed all day. It was 70 last week, though, about a week and a half ago, we had a string of six straight days high 60s, low 70s, and, looking at the forecast the next couple weeks, we got some good 60s coming back and, of course, march. March is kind of synonymous with it's time to get back on the course, but even if you're not, a big time golfer, come check us out.
Speaker 1:We're so much more than just about golf. It's about the fun entertainment side of it. So again, if you haven't heard of us, come check us out, see what we're all about. But yeah, again, we talk forever before we actually get started. We do.
Speaker 2:And we actually just got onto a topic that we're like all right, shut up.
Speaker 1:We both were telling each other to shut up because we're like the longest one. We gotta talk about that, because it's one thing that we're both kind of interested in.
Speaker 2:We're listening to some bands from all across different areas diamond, rio the best one is the one we let's do so far.
Speaker 1:I can't even tell you that was. I just had to listen to him and it was torture if you know Diamond. Rio Diamond. Rio is amazing. You're a real one, if you know Diamond.
Speaker 2:Rio. You're real if you know Diamond Rio.
Speaker 1:Alright, so then we go back to another playlist we keep playing. Eddie Money is on Take Me Home Tonight. Most people know that song, unless you're a current teenager. May not, but even then you may. But we kind of got off on the topic. Neither of us would you call us Truly musically inclined. David way, way more than me. Like he can at least play some instruments, I can't do it play the guitar a little bit.
Speaker 2:I can play the drums probably better than I play the guitar, and it's still great, sure, but what I would love to do is sing, and I can't sing with a lick.
Speaker 1:So I hate when people are like well, everybody can sing, everybody can sing, but that doesn't mean you should like. There's some people that should sing and there's a lot of people that shouldn't. I fall in that category of you. Shouldn't sing in public, in the shower in the car by yourself.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'll belt it oh yeah but I'm not, don't worry, you're not gonna hear me sing on this mic, so no, I mean I don't think I could adjust not, don't worry, you're not going to hear me sing on this mic, so I don't think I could adjust this.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's enough auto-tune in the world that could make me truly sound good.
Speaker 2:I see all this stuff about auto-tune. I want to try it, see if I can actually sound good.
Speaker 1:I'd be curious, like I've seen some. There's some AI apps that apparently will do some for you, but I'm like, at what point is it no longer me? You know what I mean At that point it's no longer you singing, so it's like you're not really good.
Speaker 2:I'm afraid I'm going to try it and it's going to pop up and be like it's not good enough.
Speaker 1:We can't get there. Please stop, put your two weeks in now and just stop.
Speaker 2:AI is talented, but not that talented.
Speaker 1:Come on now. Ai can do a lot, but that's probably over the reach of it.
Speaker 2:Singing is such a God-given talent I guess you'd say I mean you either have it or you don't. I mean, if you're decent, you can get better.
Speaker 1:Right, but I think you have to have a somewhat of a start Like I don't think you can just be awful and ever actually get good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I'm that way you can get better.
Speaker 1:Like we were saying like somebody like me, horrible singer like I, just I don't have those sounds. The same way, if I go to a vocal coach and just that's all I ever do is practice, will I get better, yes, will I get good, no that's one of those.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter how hard you work at if you don't have any of it, you just ain't never getting it.
Speaker 1:So what you're telling me? When my mom told me when I was little I could be whatever I want to be, she lied to me.
Speaker 2:She probably did, probably did, because if you don't have at least a little, bit.
Speaker 1:She said I could be handsome, and that's a lie too. That's true.
Speaker 2:She lied to me a lot, I guess, kind of stuff. You know that's I um. You know I migrated towards the drums at some point. You know I played um guitar and drums kind of at the same time. I started playing them. Guitar is one of those things that if you can't sing, what's the point? Like yeah, you get a band or something, but I mean like if you're a guitar player I can remember high school, my area of high school.
Speaker 1:You know I went to high school locally here. The guys that were playing guitar and singing, that's who women flock to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what they want.
Speaker 1:Like that's what you're saying. Like just because you can play guitar didn't mean much. They're like oh, that's cool. But if you could do both, even if it was just remotely good solid, yeah, it was like oh, that's a cool thing that's.
Speaker 2:I could be the best guitar player in the world and outside of you know, going to playing for a band or something I gotta go find somebody else to sing for me. What's the point in that right?
Speaker 1:maybe that's why those guys do get in bands because they're like I'm really good at this and I could be really good in a band, but I can't help you on the other side.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's what it is. So you're saying we can start a band if we find a singer.
Speaker 1:What am I going to play? The kazoo.
Speaker 2:I mean. I could.
Speaker 1:I mean I could Listen, I can keep a beat to an extent, like I could be on time, I could do that kind of stuff. But yeah, I don't know how to read music. That's one thing I wish I would have done when I was a kid. Was gotten into some type of music and I never some type of music, and I never, never did I.
Speaker 2:I took a one drum lesson, that was it and I didn't go back. So I'm all self-taught my stuff. I'm not a good enough guitar player to play in a band. Sure, I can get through a few songs. Drummer, I could get through some easy stuff, but I'm not like these, like right now, what we're listening to oh no chance I can't touch these guys. I mean unbelievably talented, and you can tell me what we're listening to because but it's some, some panic of the discos. Yeah, touch these guys.
Speaker 1:These guys are unbelievably talented and you can tell me what we're listening to Because of this event, but it's.
Speaker 2:Some panic of the discos.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like these guys are just Not saying that you know it's our favorite bands, but it's. They're just talented Like these. Dudes Are good at what they do, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not that good and I don't have time To practice it.
Speaker 1:And I got the things that I'm interested in. Now that, like I, I feel like I'm too old to try to pick that up now, yeah, and what am I really going to do with it? Like, don't worry, I'm not doing anything special with golf and I'm really into that, but, but it to me is a little bit easier to do, well, you? Almost got a pick, especially when you get older and have kids and less time oh, you don't get multiple hobbies, it's kind of one and done if you get one.
Speaker 2:I mean honest with you my hobbies are coaching my kids teams. True, that's what it comes out to be, yeah yeah, that's, very true so so anyway, if you guys can sing, yeah great, good for you.
Speaker 1:I'm very happy. I'm a little jealous. I would say I'm a little jealous, probably gonna hate you, just just a little bit behind your back. But yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:So my daughter is in uh, chorus choir, whatever they call it, I can't remember what, of course, I guess and so she can sing a little bit. So I guess I'm just gonna if I'm gonna play guitar, I'm just gonna have to piggyback on her as she gets older.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but that's true. Here's what it is. But I do have this random question I gotta ask because I saw it and I've been thinking about this and I let it go. So we, we brought up jd vance, I don't know, a couple weeks ago or something. I don't remember what it was. Right, right, uh, he's born in the same town. I was born, and all the stuff oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:I do remember that every time I see the man and and I'm a jd vance fan, okay, I'm just gonna say it. Yeah, I'm a jd vance fan. I love what they're doing. I'm not gonna get into politics at the moment, but we might be there a while if we do. Every time I see a video picture of him, the question that comes to my mind is the man wearing eyeliner. Have you ever noticed it.
Speaker 1:I've never thought of it, but I probably will now.
Speaker 2:I can't look at a picture without thinking. Now, I don't think he does. Well so here's the thing, there's something going on there, that's a very common thing nowadays Makeup in general. Yes In some way, especially if you're on TV and video, I guess politicians.
Speaker 1:Politicians are so viewed by everyone, whether positive or negative, all the time, like, yeah, I'm sure they probably touch them up here and there Because you've got to think like that's a stressful job, right, like there's a lot of things that they're involved with, a lot of things that they have to make big decisions on, usually when, when those guys come out of office, they look much worse than they went in.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I could see see, his eyes are kind of so david just hand me a camera or, excuse me, just hand me his phone so I can see a picture and Now that's more close up Than what I normally see, like on videos, and I'm just kind of like what is going?
Speaker 2:Like they're? His eyes are kind of Sit back.
Speaker 1:He's got some darkness Around his eyes, yeah, like he kind of looks like.
Speaker 2:Some shadows. In a way, he has some blue.
Speaker 1:So that's really why I say that may be part of it too, because even like when I look at your eyes, like your eyelashes Look super prominent Do I look like I'm wearing eyeliner?
Speaker 2:Not to that extent, but like they look Way more prominent Because you're the actual color's, so light, so maybe that's what it is, but every time I see His picture I'm like Is he wearing eyeliner? Well, I mean like my eyes?
Speaker 1:You may not, because my eyes are like black. I mean, I have super, super, super dark eyes.
Speaker 2:So maybe that's what it is, because his eyes are so light Everything else is darker.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I've never noticed it. I mean, I'm going to start looking for it.
Speaker 2:Everybody will, because it's there.
Speaker 1:That's interesting.
Speaker 2:It's there. I'm starting to lean that maybe he does sometimes Listen.
Speaker 1:I know JD's been on a lot of podcasts. Jd's been on a lot of podcasts. I don't see him coming on ours, but if he does, we will ask him.
Speaker 2:Come on, jd, come tell us, let's clear it up. Do you wear eyeliner you?
Speaker 1:were born in the same place as David. Come on.
Speaker 2:We're bros, we've got a lot of things to talk about. We're bros, see.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll say this it's been a somewhat purely just because football's done.
Speaker 2:We are no football until next season.
Speaker 1:Outside of TGL, they decided to have their whole tournament in one week. Right NBA was off this week with the All-Star weekend and, oh my gosh, adam Silver. What are you doing?
Speaker 2:I quit watching that a long time ago.
Speaker 1:So I've not been interested in it. I did send you and Brian a meme today about Tyler. Hero won the three-point contest.
Speaker 2:Mack McClung won the slam dunk contest.
Speaker 1:You know it was. You know the white guys really did some big things in the NBA this weekend. You know proud of them. I don't really like the whole Mack McClung. You're not good enough to be in the NBA but we're going to bring you to a dunk contest. If we're just going for the best dunkers in the world, then let's just say that. Let's not say we're doing the NBA slam dunk contest because he's not there.
Speaker 2:You can't say that if it's not an NBA player.
Speaker 1:So I mean he's won three straight. So I mean he's good at it, but that's the thing. He's athletic enough to do that, but he's not good enough at basketball to be in the league. That, to me, is like okay, he shouldn't be eligible then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no I agree.
Speaker 1:Because he's not an all-star, that's supposed to be only all-stars. So that, to me, is where it's really hard. I'd feel robbed.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's not like I'm going to go dunk it Well.
Speaker 1:I'll say this the other guys that were in it, most people don't know who they are. If you're not big in the NBA, you probably don't know those guys.
Speaker 2:Well, they do that, I feel like every year with a dunk contest.
Speaker 1:They do. We've not seen the big names in a long time and I will say the topic did come up again why people put LeBron lower on their list, not just because he waited until minutes before to say that he's not going to play the all-star game, but because he's never done the dunk contest. Kobe and Jordan both did it early in their career. So you'd kind of do it and get it over with. But they kind of say, well, it was right of passage. You know, vince Carter, he did it, I mean.
Speaker 1:Dwight Howard used to do them. You know smaller names but even like an Aaron Gordon won a couple.
Speaker 2:If I'm the NBA and I'm Adam Silver and LeBron is like the face of the NBA right now, or even when he was the top dog. You're going to be in this.
Speaker 1:Everybody wants to see you, so he's still the most famous person in the NBA. I don't think there's any questioning that. I think so too, Because I do think in sports he's one of the most famous people in the world.
Speaker 2:Part of that's because of how long he's been there now. He spans several generations. You're 20?.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's been a long time. So, yes, he is the most famous person in the league. I understand him not being in the dunk contest at 40. Now, yeah, I get contest at 40, now I get that. But if it's me and you wait till I think they said the the actual number was 90 minutes before tip off to say, oh yeah, by the way, I'm not playing like he was in an interview and the guy was like, well, what do you know? Here's the differences in the game. Here's this, here's that. What do we expect from you? Well, you're not, don't get anything for me tonight because I'm not suiting up. You know I have, and I'm like, of course you're not, doesn't mj at 40 played in the all-star game?
Speaker 2:no, people forget about that yeah, but even if it's legitimate, he can't play injury. He's worried about their season, whatever, I don't care. Again, I don't agree with it. But somebody else could have got that spot. And if he is the face of the nba and he's looking for the best interest nba he. He should want somebody else to get that spot.
Speaker 1:And here's what I'll say. I'm not forgetting that Anthony Edwards is literally just the same thing. I don't agree with him doing it either. This isn't. Oh, let's hate on LeBron, because I've never been a big LeBron fan. I recognize what he's done in his career. I will never consider him the greatest of all time. I can't. There's too many things that just don't fit. You know, when you go team shopping, you go looking for every big superstar to play with. There's just too many other things that don't fit, so I can't put him up there. But then you start doing things like this and it's like all right. Even at that point, if you are truly the biggest thing in the league, shouldn't you be looking out for the league's interest too? Because look what they've done for you. You should be. To an extent, I understand you've got to look out for yourself. I do get that, but at the same time he's even talked about I want to be a partial owner of a team. I want to do this, I want to do that.
Speaker 2:Are you going to look out for your team? That way, everybody goes back to this with Jordan, because it was a crazy thing. I remember watching it when Jordan played with the flu.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, flu game One of the most famous things ever. And so when I heard this, what LeBron did and he's like, yeah, I had an injury and I just kind of kept waiting I thought it'd be better and I thought I was going to get this one to be better. You know, you know at some point, but if you had that thought, this morning.
Speaker 1:go ahead and do it, See if they can make a call. Yeah, if you had the thought the night before, because the game's not until that night.
Speaker 2:I mean, you should just. No, I agree, I think he knew.
Speaker 1:I think he knew the whole time I'm not going to play, but that's the same thing I have. I have the issue with the whole load management thing when it's like, well, we're not going to play a back-to-back season. Really, like what, what's the reason for it? Like if you were legitimately hurt. Yes, I have no issues with you getting healthy, because the average nba career is only what like three years, so several years stay healthy.
Speaker 2:I understand that several years ago, before I even had kids, I coached youth football fifth, sixth graders, right and I always told those and we're talking kids here, yeah, there's a difference in hurt and injured.
Speaker 2:oh, 100 if you% If you're hurt you can play If you're injured and it can make things worse or whatever. Okay, sit out Like that's completely different, and LeBron, I think, has said a lot being hurt and maybe that's protecting himself, protecting his team throughout the season. Whatever it is, I don't care what it is, If he is the best player he should want to be on the floor every game.
Speaker 1:LeBron's done this a lot over his career Much more recent, because load management wasn't really a term until what, three or four years ago. Like you just didn't see it. But I mean, everybody always says well, lebron plays, he plays, every game.
Speaker 2:Most of these seasons he's missed at least 20.
Speaker 1:Yeah, say no, he doesn't. So that's like a fourth of the year. When you say there's 82 games, you miss 20. That's that's 25.
Speaker 2:You can't call yourself the goat while you sit back and watch your team play without you. If you're the best man on that team, you should want to be out there. You owe it to your team, you owe it to your league. Go play and win the games unless you're actually injured. I get that 100 and a lot of people are going to say, well, you can't play injured. No, there's a difference and I think the man whines and cries too much. Anyways, plays no. Defense takes plays off. I.
Speaker 1:I can't see him as a go ever well, so I've said this for a really long time the people that argue that lebron is a good defender is because you're seeing the chase down blocks, You're seeing the highlights, because that's what the game has become. The game is all about highlights now, Whether it's dunks, three-pointers, you know, dropping somebody breaking their ankles, whatever it may be. That's what the game is. Yeah, so LeBron has a bunch of chase down block highlights. Yeah, one, how many of those were off of his turnover? Because he also leads the league all time in turnovers. He's got the most. But two, he's never guarding the best player on the floor. You're not putting him on the best guy saying I need you to be an on-ball defender and play.
Speaker 1:Both Kobe and Jordan did that. Yeah, so again, this is not me just saying, well, I don't like LeBron, so I'm going to hate on him. I don't think Kobe's the greatest of all time in my opinion, but Kobe did that. So it's a little bit harder to say LeBron's even above that. And then we're wanting to compare him to Jordan. But then again, you look at the interview that they do and these are modern players that are playing currently against LeBron and they still say the greatest of all time is Jordan. They don't pick LeBron. They usually pick Kobe over LeBron as well.
Speaker 2:Because they're playing with LeBron. They know Right who's LeBron going to stop. What star or even decent player in this league is LeBron going to play defense on and actually stop? There are going to be many.
Speaker 1:Zero A star.
Speaker 2:You're saying in the league yeah, he can shut nobody down. There's zero Jordan. Shut down guys, lebron's not an on-ball defender.
Speaker 1:He's just not. He doesn't have the hands for it, he doesn't have. He just doesn't have that In his repertoire, and I get.
Speaker 2:There's different things that can make you a great player. Sure, you may not be the best shooter, but you're getting rebounds and playing great defense.
Speaker 1:Well, the same way that we're going to say Russell Westbrook was a great player, not a great defender. But the man is a triple-double machine. He does things that point guards shouldn't do. Before you see, when you go for a point guard, how many double-doubles can they give me? And they're not looking for big double-doubles, they're just looking for double-doubles. So can you give me 10 points, 10 assists? You're successful. This man is doing it with rebounds also. I mean, he's a freak.
Speaker 2:And I could overlook LeBron's defense to an extent and still call him a really good player. I don't think you can get go even if you don't have the whole game. But if everything else was so great I could say, okay, he's like a defense a little bit, but man, he's, he's a great player because of this, this and this. Well, and we I just can't.
Speaker 1:We throw this up there and we're like, well, you still have a lot of people that say, well, maybe he's not the go, but he's the greatest scorer of all time. I don't think I even agree with that. Just because you have the most points doesn't make you the best at something, because you have the highest stat over your career. When you look at how many games did you play, what was the average? Like there's, there's way more to it. So it's hard for me to say, well, you know, he's played 20 years, he's got the most points. Is it impressive?
Speaker 1:Yes it is, but to me that only goes to an extent, and again this just sounds like oh, it's lebron hating. Listen. There's a lot in his game that I love. Lebron does some really impressive things throughout his career. Obviously not as much now, because he's not the same player he was five, ten years ago, but he's still an impressive player, do you?
Speaker 2:think he's still in the conversation 10 years from now, or is it because he's playing that everybody it's that I do think there's a lot of recency bias.
Speaker 1:I do think there's a lot of people that are going to say, well, lebron's the best, but that's all they're seeing, right now yeah.
Speaker 2:So I wonder, 10 years from now, when they look back, will they still think?
Speaker 1:oh, he's great. Are they going to go? No, wait a minute. I've made this statement off the pod before and I think If the man stays healthy, I don't see how we're not talking about him.
Speaker 2:Is he going to pass MJ?
Speaker 1:I don't know. So a lot of it's going to be. Does he stay healthy? How many years does he play? What does he do as a whole? Because, again, I've said this before to plenty of people I consider you great. Not only do you have the stats to call you great, but you have the wins, you have the accolades. You have the stats to call you great, but you have the wins, you have the accolades, you have the championships, you have a little bit of everything. So I don't see him doing that in San Antonio, just being realistic. So he's got to get somewhere else you think.
Speaker 1:If he plays 15 years, wins three of them and then breaks all these records. He's up for the argument. No, I?
Speaker 2:get that completely. But I even think 10 years from now, when you look back and go, okay, who was the best player from LeBron's era? You might go. You know there's some pretty good players he played with.
Speaker 1:So I think you're still going to say LeBron though just because everybody's always going to fall back to he's got the most points ever. So I think that's where so many people, because that record is going to be there a while. I don't see that going anywhere. But I mean Curry's got a ton of points, not close to that, though, LeBron's over. He's getting close to 45,000.
Speaker 2:Is he that? Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean it's a pretty large leap from a lot of people. But basically, all that to say, the NBA's not a great place right now. Like I said a couple weeks ago last week, whatever it was, the Luka trade was good for the NBA.
Speaker 2:Have you still been watching them?
Speaker 1:Well, they went to the break. They went to the All-Star break, so it was kind of hard.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:They kind of had what? Two or three games and then it went to the All-Star break. The worst thing about that is that kind of got overshadowed now by the All-Star break. We saw something like 40-something minutes of basketball in a three-hour broadcast, like if I'm tuning in to watch basketball, so what are they doing all the time?
Speaker 1:Give me basketball. So Kevin Hart, for whatever reason, got a ton of screen time. It's getting to the point where, like I don't like Kevin Hart, Like you're shoving him down our throat, Like I don't like Kevin Hart, You're shoving him down our throat.
Speaker 2:I don't want to. Yeah, it's been a lot.
Speaker 1:It's just, I'm over it. They did a tribute to the inside NBA guys, the TNT guys that are no longer be on TNT, I know, and they're like wait a sec, they're not dying, they're not canceled. They're just going to ESPN, going to a different channel.
Speaker 2:That's all that's happening. Just check your channel, guys.
Speaker 1:They literally did a 20-minute segment during halftime in one of the games for that and Jason Tatum's like yeah, it's kind of hard when you've got to sit for 20 minutes in between. Like the games are only like 25 minutes as a whole because they're playing such abbreviated stuff and you took a 20-minute game. You basically Period we're at hockey at that point. I mean, it's such a mess, do we need to get on hockey? You've been seething about hockey ever since we started hooking up the equipment tonight.
Speaker 2:I'm actually trying to find the Curry's points. Oh, there it is. Did not know he was that low. Okay, how many is he at? That can't be right. Hold on, we're a little bit behind on our stats tonight. Yeah, oh, there he is Okay.
Speaker 1:He's almost at 25,000.
Speaker 2:Right Well so I know KD just went over the 30,000 mark the other night.
Speaker 3:He's played 500 less games than LeBron? That's a lot. That is a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mark the other night he's played 500 less games than lebron. That's a lot, there's a lot. Yeah, I agree with that. I could you guess the top five points in nba history?
Speaker 1:probably not. I've seen it at some point, but I mean one of them. I don't think I would have I know for a fact. Lebron won kareem too. Okay, like there.
Speaker 2:There's no questioning that and you could probably guess two others that are in there I mean elijah, one's pretty high so the other two that make sense to me, four and five, is kobe and jordan well, yeah, okay number three. I wouldn't have guessed in a million years who's three? The mailman, carl malone. Carl malone being that high, I never would have guessed that he's got almost 1,500 games. This is for you.
Speaker 1:Will you want to talk about how? Nj didn't play anybody. Stockton and Malone was an incredible jazz team. Stockton is probably a top five all-time point guard in the NBA. The man is just impressive. He knew how to play the game. Anybody that wants to argue about Karl Malone we're not going off of his off-court stuff because, yes, he's got some issues, but Karl Malone on the court is fantastic.
Speaker 2:He's got right at 37,000 points, lebron's only at 41.5. Right.
Speaker 1:I was getting ready to pull the list up, so I chose not to look at it because you were having me. Yeah, me say that no, no but then you you get after Jordan at five. I didn't realize Dirk was that high.
Speaker 2:I didn't either.
Speaker 1:Number six Dirk's number six is very impressive. Obviously Wilt being in the top ten does not surprise me. Um, probably the next most surprising in that list is Carmelo Anthony at 10. Now the man could score that's about all he could do that good old 2-3 defense from Syracuse. He wasn't much of a defender in the NBA, but the man could score some points.
Speaker 2:I would agree with that. You know, like you said, one of the arguments for LeBron is points, points. Okay, first of all, the games are there too. I mean, he's got way more games than a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1:He leads in turnovers. He played what five or so more years than Jordan did.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's got over. Let's see where's Jordan here. Sorry, Jordan. Yeah, he's got like 500 more games than Jordan played, Right. But when you talk about, okay, who did Jordan play, well, look down that list. If you want to talk about points scored, a lot of those guys down that list are guys Jordan played against. Like we said, Carl Malone was sitting at number three. Right, so you can't say.
Speaker 2:You can't say oh well, lebron's good because of points, jordan ain't good because he didn't play against, but he played against guys on the top of the list of points, so I don't know it's Jordan. You know, we've got some young girls on our basketball team that actually believe Jordan is the.
Speaker 1:GOAT too. Yeah, so we call our defense real standards. To help them remember it, we call it 23. 2-3 zone defense, trying to teach them you know the correct principles on the move and everything. So we called it 23 for most of the year and they're like can we call it MJ? I was like excuse me, I'm so proud of you guys.
Speaker 3:What did you just say? Like I'm like cry, like I'm so happy.
Speaker 1:And these are third through sixth grade.
Speaker 2:So we're talking what nine to 12? She had a jersey on tonight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, North Carolina 23. She had the Tar Heel 23 shirt on.
Speaker 2:I told her I love the jersey. She just needed a Chicago Bulls one or something. We don't need North Carolina.
Speaker 1:So I think that's where a lot of people overlook it, because it's, whether you're a Tar Heel fan or not, it's just part of his legacy. It is Like you look at it it's like it's just part of it.
Speaker 2:So you don't really think of it.
Speaker 1:The yeah, you just recognize it a little bit different.
Speaker 2:We was talking earlier and you said we brought it up the other day top college players. It's crazy to think that Jordan was nowhere in that conversation.
Speaker 1:Well, but it's crazy to think that Jordan wasn't the number one overall pick that year. I mean, when you really look at it and again, players develop differently, things happen differently. So it's not saying that he wasn't already in line to be that. It's just these other teams think they have found something else and they think there's all the. It's just when you get to the league.
Speaker 2:that's your job now you don't have to go to school, you don't have to make money any other way, especially back then they didn't make money. Well, I mean then they didn't make money. Well, I mean there might have been some money exchanged. Listen, there's been money moving hands for a long time. But at all those levels, you know, I it's. I think about these um actors and musicians and stuff, and you see them getting really good shape. I'm like that's what they do, their travel they're working out there, you know.
Speaker 1:So I'm not taking away what they're doing, don't get me wrong, because it's still impressive like the shape that these guys get in. But when you don't have to get up and work a nine to five, uh-huh. And let's just be honest, most people have nannies and whatever else, so they're not really taking care of the kids they're not like it, ain't they?
Speaker 1:don't have anything else to do so, yeah, you can go, do you can get the nutrition you can do 10 podcasts a day while your personal chef cooks for you, and you can lift four times a day.
Speaker 2:Like, yeah, it's a little bit easier. I see that a little bit. When any of these college athletes make it to the league, Okay, now their job is to get up and you know, as a basketball player, go put up shots, go train, go get stronger, faster and everything.
Speaker 1:So then, what's Zion's excuse? Didn't want it, I guess I excuse Didn't want it, I guess I don't know. I mean, the guy's never been in shape since he got to the league he could have been. I mean, he is still a freak athlete, Even at the size that he is. The stuff that he can do is impressive, but it's almost like well, I made it, I don't care anymore. It kind of reminds me of like a Ben Simmons, just on a different thought process as far as what he cares about, but it's like he doesn't care enough to really get himself in the shape that he's like.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go prove that I'm one of the best. Imagine all of a sudden getting all this money and this fame and like they're probably just out doing stuff all the time and eating whatever they want.
Speaker 1:It's just hard, though, because it's like, even if I just devote myself for seven years, I'll get 15 in a career just because I did seven the right way. So it's like they're going to take care of me on in a career just because I did seven the right way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's like they're gonna take care of me on the back end, just because I'm like all right, let's work my butt off, because I've already done it my whole life already, so why not give myself seven more? Now I have even less distraction. As for now, I've got more money distraction. I got more people distraction but somebody like zion.
Speaker 2:Did he have to work his butt off his whole life? I mean, he's got.
Speaker 1:Obviously there's some effort he had to put in, but yeah, I mean not to the extent of some other people Top dog in high school went to college.
Speaker 2:Kind of top dog Well. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1:I don't think he went to Duke under Coach K and didn't have to work.
Speaker 2:I don't like.
Speaker 1:Duke. But I recognize Coach K as one of the greatest college basketball coaches of all time. It's impossible not to what he's done with different teams that probably weren't that good and he still took them big places. You know they're one of the most winningest programs in college basketball history. They're up there.
Speaker 2:Speaking of that, because I agree, coach K, if not the best, one of the best college coaches, right, he had a big, long tenure at Duke.
Speaker 1:Oh, he had a huge career there. That helps. It's a very long career.
Speaker 2:Consistency and so on, and I never thought I would do this, but I had to go look.
Speaker 1:Well, the one thing I will say about that. What I find more impressive is that he was able to make it that long at one school. Because you just don't see that that's not hard anymore.
Speaker 2:You have a couple of down years and it's already like, all right, who we going to next? Where somebody like him. It was like he's going to turn around. Just give me a year, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, no you're fine, we talked about cow, quite a bit and you've been saying you know he underperformed all that sure, and I got to thinking I was like man those first five years cow kentucky was good, it was really good. And so I had to go look and I did not think I would stick up for cow in this instance, but I got to stick up for Cal a little bit in those first five years. Okay, the last five was horrible, oh.
Speaker 1:I agree the middle five I don't think anybody's disagreeing with the last five were bad.
Speaker 2:The middle five, you can say what you want, but when you go look this up. So you said he had 50 NBA players, 50. Okay.
Speaker 1:It. Okay, it was like 36 in the first round, correct, which is even bigger he had three number ones. Yes.
Speaker 2:Right, 25 of those were in the first five years of him being at Kentucky, right, so that was great on five teams.
Speaker 1:But to me. What that does for me is reaffirm what I'm saying. I will, 100% without a doubt, say he is the greatest recruiter in college basketball history. I don't think anybody can really argue that he had 25 lottery picks over his tenure. That's unheard of.
Speaker 2:But you're saying 25 in five years, but do you know what he did in those first five years, though, as far as the tournament and everything Didn't win enough?
Speaker 1:Oh, he didn't win enough, enough, but you said if he won two you would have had difference over the 15 years. Um, maybe not over the 15 because, like, when we really start going back and look because that's one thing we're looking at a bunch, researching a bunch of stuff about teams. Today, the longer your tenure, the I feel like the more you've got to win. Like Coach K, he did a lot, he got five he got a lot of wins.
Speaker 1:That's one every ten years. That's pretty solid. No, I agree with that, that's pretty solid.
Speaker 2:So here's what Cal did the first five years at Kentucky Elite eight. First year, final four. Second year won the championship. Third year lost in the championship game. The fourth year, final four. Fifth year yep. So that's one elite eight, two final fours, two championship games. One of the championship games but that's a pretty good.
Speaker 1:But you have. You have a starting five every single year. Theoretically, yes, starting five every single year. That got drafted. Well, they did.
Speaker 2:But what other team can say they had even two but the, so the, the tournament to me is they had even two but the, so the tournament to me is so random. That's what I hate about the tournament.
Speaker 1:It's tough.
Speaker 2:And so you don't always get the best team.
Speaker 1:Well, so that's. That's another thing we looked at tonight. The tournament it's only been 64 teams since 1985.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't realize that, so I thought it was longer than that. Again, you know we're talking 40 years years. Now we're on the 40th year of that. But that's where we kind of started talking because we've said that well, do we always see the best team win? No, of course not. The tournaments are so random. I don't think I'm not going to say we've never seen the best team win, because that's a bold-faced lie, but I think there's plenty of years we've seen the best team win, because that's a bold-faced lie, but I think there's plenty of years we've seen.
Speaker 2:But the best team have one knowing, knowing the tournament is that way. What would you have to seem different in those first five years to say he's exceeded?
Speaker 1:so I think what really hurts him is how good he recruited yeah, like because he did. He had so many good players. He should have done more. So because other coaches don't have those teams.
Speaker 2:So all three of the number one picks came out of the first five years, also Correct. So he had a crazy amount of talent.
Speaker 1:Now again, quite a few of those guys Went to the league and did nothing, whether it was injury.
Speaker 2:They've had some good ones. I'm not doubting that You're right, that was probably the first five years.
Speaker 1:Booker, sga, these are studs. But Anthony Davis I think he's a star. He's going to get. In my opinion he gets stats. He doesn't win games. That's kind of how I've always felt about him. But you also have. You have Cat, you had Cousins. Wall just had injuries and kind of just had a weird little thing. But at the beginning Wall was unbelievable.
Speaker 2:You forget, I forget about Patrick. Patterson was pretty good in the league.
Speaker 1:But I don't consider that a Cal guy. He was a senior, cal's first year. Okay, so that to me is like all right, he wasn't really truly a Cal guy, but he got drafted because of the guys that got put around him. He did yeah, but he was a but I think that's To me, he was kind of a poor man's Danny Green. He's going to do a little spot up, play a little bit of D, but he's not going to do a whole lot of anything else.
Speaker 2:The fact is, that half of the players. So John Calipari has been in Kentucky 15 years, correct. Half of the players that got drafted were in their first five. All three number one picks were in their first five, correct. About half of the lottery picks, I think, came in the first five years. So you might easily see the decline of John Calipari. He did not keep getting that talent after the first five years.
Speaker 1:No but the issue is even pre-NIL, like those last few years before we really started seeing a true NIL. What we had seen in college basketball is talent spread. What we had seen in college basketball is talent spread Like, all of a sudden, these you know what we would call mid-majors you know not really a term anymore.
Speaker 1:They were having legit dudes playing Like I mean, you look at a guy like John Morant, like he came from nothing. Yeah, he did. Dame came from nowhere. Like he did, dame came from nowhere. Like. I just think we were starting to see the talent spread a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Something happened, so it got a little bit different at that point, you know, I think Cal was the first one to get on the one and done, or the first one to do it the best, I think. And then Coach K and some other guys started doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if he was the first one, but I Effectively yeah.
Speaker 2:Now again, effectively, should he have won more championships. If he wins that other championship back-to-back, I think it's completely different. You might look at his whole 15 years different.
Speaker 1:I think it helped. So, like I said, basically Cal did it himself. He hurt himself by having so many good guys and not getting that other one. So that's why I say underperforms. I'm not saying that as a career. We look back and just say, oh, his career sucked, like obviously not. I mean, he still did a lot of good things. But when you have that many good players, it's hard for me to say, well, these other guys didn't do it. But none of those teams remotely came close to what you did draft-wise.
Speaker 2:He's somewhat said it in person in interviews and stuff. He's somewhat said it In person In interviews and stuff. I think If you asked him why those first five years Was a success, he would say Because he got 25 players To the league. Not because he won the championship, that would be included. But I think to him Success was Getting those guys and putting them in the league and as a fan it's fun, but you're not Winning a championship. I mean we did with one.
Speaker 1:I guess I think that partly is because I think cal kind of in my opinion I don't know that he's ever said this or anybody really talks about necessarily I don't think really cal cares about his coaching. I think he wants to be looked at. As you are not going to out recruit me, I do over over the career.
Speaker 2:Like obviously it's not been as good lately, but the nil changed everything has always been a showman, a little bit, sure, but I think deep down he's a great person. I really do the stuff he's done. You know, there's flooding going on in kentucky right now, kind of like what we've seen here, right, and he's donating money there and he's not there anymore. Yeah, I mean, I I think he wants to see these young kids succeed and he's more concerned with that than he is the school, and that could be good or bad. How?
Speaker 1:I say it depends on which side you're looking at it from yeah, if I'm the school and I he's my coach. I want him to win me championships right, but yeah, that's kind of jaded by who you, who you look at right.
Speaker 2:So you know, I think it's heavy. Look at now the last five.
Speaker 1:He failed miserably well, but I think you, like I said, when you start looking at NIL, that changed everything and that's only been the last few. But like we were saying pre-pod tonight, we were saying you will never see a platoon system like Kentucky had that one year. No, they were bringing five in, five out nonstop. You can't afford to pay them. I don't think you can afford to pay five. I don't know that you can truly pay.
Speaker 2:Three the numbers that they're going to ask, not of that talent level, but you can.
Speaker 1:The only way I think we get remotely close to that I was going to say is if we have some type of caps or we have contracts and they get limited to a certain amount or whatever that looks like. I think it's the only way you could remotely get close to having three or four guys.
Speaker 2:But even with I don't know how much you can cap a guy doing commercials and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So I still don't want to go play the outside stuff, I think is going to be different. I think it's going to be the amount that these school collectives can pay, but that's the thing even if they have the money to pay me to go there.
Speaker 2:But there's two or three other guys there that might steal my endorsements.
Speaker 1:I don endorsements, true, I don't want to go there anyways, no, I mean. So I think even that's gonna split them up, but it's made this year exciting. This year's been a mess, um. So before we kind of get into this year, we we kind of had another little topic we kind of just briefly mentioned. We did the. The tournament's only been 64 teams since 85, so we got to talk in kentucky's won eight total. Is that that right? Eight, yeah, okay. So when we really go back and look, nine coming soon, we were wondering Not this year, I don't know That'd be awesome, but I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:We got back to looking and it was almost like trying to take some of the recency bias out, because I think guys are way more athletic now than they've ever been, both college and NBA, even in high school. High school was way more athletic than it was even when I was in school. The game has changed so much, well, they're demanding so much more, exactly Well, but these kids start playing earlier too. I think they were playing at a higher level earlier in their career. So we went back and looked and a couple kentucky championships were back in the 50s well, ucla's 10 were correct in that area.
Speaker 2:Well, they were a little bit after that, I guess.
Speaker 1:But so their their last one before that one, the 90s, their their 75 is the first year that the tournament jumped up to 32 teams. 1975 is the first year so the tournament jumped up to 32 teams. 1975 was the first year.
Speaker 2:So they'd been playing 16 teams in the tournament From 1951 through 1974, the NCAA tournament was 16 teams. See, that is so hard for me.
Speaker 1:Does that, in your opinion, take away some of the legacy or importance of those championships through that era? It does to me, and I'll say it Even as a Kentucky fan do you kind of like well, I don't know if I really count those.
Speaker 2:They won the championship. But what was the championship?
Speaker 1:Okay, ucla won 10 of 12.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 10 of 12. With 16 teams.
Speaker 1:Through the 60s and 70s.
Speaker 2:So it makes me wonder, like who were they playing? And we looked it up they had some close games.
Speaker 1:So they did it wasn't. It wasn't all like 30 point yeah, they were low outs against you know d3 teams. They were playing big schools and it was tight games.
Speaker 2:It was, but it just feels weird to me. I know older guys are gonna say, yeah, it was good, it was the same thing, you know I don't know the hit or miss, though, on that it's tough. You know, 30 years from now they may look back at this era and go who these guys play. What's going on here?
Speaker 1:you know. So that's the thing. 1949 excuse me, 48 and 49 kentucky won the championship.
Speaker 2:So we're gonna say that's a wash, it's pretty I don't even know 16 teams who'd they play against like I? Yeah, I, I'm not gonna say it. It didn't count because that's what they had.
Speaker 1:The first one they beat Baylor. The second one they beat Oklahoma A&M.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't now, that could have been. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1:I got to click on them because I don't know who the heck that is.
Speaker 2:That might have been an amazing team back in the day. I have no idea.
Speaker 1:Okay, oklahoma State. Now that's what they turned it to, because I'm like I don't know, you know, it's like when you look at other sports.
Speaker 2:Was it, I don't know, years and years ago, when you know professional football? When it was separated. Do we count Super Bowls from back then? Do we count things from before these leagues were developed?
Speaker 1:It's almost harder when you start getting into the pros, though, because we're weeding out some of the not really good players, because I mean, you think about like very few people make it from high school to college, even fewer make it from college to pros, like it's the best of the best guys. So it feels a little bit different when we start talking about pros, because it's like all right, we've weeded out a lot of that junk.
Speaker 2:It does I just. You know, you've got to find that cutoff at some point, because schools were segregated at one point, correct, and I don't know exactly.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean you had NFL and AFL merger. You had NBA and ABA merger. You had a lot of different things that had to happen.
Speaker 2:So college is a little different. Are you going to count a championship from 1901? Like I don't know. When do you count them?
Speaker 1:So to me I would say it depends on what the school is. If you're like, hey, my only championship ever was 1901, you better believe I'm counting that one.
Speaker 2:But as an outsider just looking at who's the best and the best program, like I can't. Ucla has 11 championships, more than anybody. Kentucky's, I think, number two at eight, but ten of them in 12 years. They've only won one since then in a 50-year span. Like I can't look at them as a top program, even though they have 11 championships and the most of anybody. So I don't know where you find the line, or?
Speaker 1:maybe someone can help us with that. That is like being a Tar Heel fan. We have six. Okay by what you just said. We have six. Okay by what you just said. We would throw out 1957. Okay, so down to five. They have one in 1982. 32 teams just before they switched to 64. I don't know that I have as much of an issue with 32 because that's still a grueling tournament. That's tougher.
Speaker 2:No, and I feel like by the 80s you've got talent spread out to different schools.
Speaker 1:So we're giving ourselves five, then is what you're saying?
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:Because then it goes 82, 93, 2005, 2009, 2017. Like, obviously, the more modern ones, it's a grueling task to win those.
Speaker 2:So the biggest span was from what did you say? 93 to 2005?.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah Well, 57 to 82 was a big span.
Speaker 2:So what do you see? What is more successful to you? Because we've talked about this with the one and done era, especially in that era with Cal, when you are constantly in the Elite Eight and Final Four, like every year, but don't win the championship. Or would you rather see win a championship but never get past Elite Eight? Which one is most impressive? C win a championship but never get past Elite 8?
Speaker 1:It's hard because, as a Tar Heel fan, we saw it at one point. You win in 2005, and then they were winning with old teams. They were winning with the juniors and seniors. They make it in 2009, win it again In 2016,. They make it and get beat on a last second shot. Could have won back to back then.
Speaker 2:So it's it's tough to look at that, but which one's more impressive final four every year or so.
Speaker 1:So to me I I'm four years championship if you, if you win a championship every six years, that's super even if you don't get past the lead eight all the other years I, I think it depends on like what, what else did you do? Yeah, like it's kind of like okay, it's cool to make a bunch of final fours, but if you're oh and 20 in the final four, what the heck does that.
Speaker 2:I agree, but if you can say I was the top four team for five years in a row, that's pretty impressive, even though you never won a championship but that to me is just like we're content with not being just good enough, Like we're okay with being kind of up here, but we're not okay with actually winning.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm just like all right, at some point you've got to win one for it to feel impressive.
Speaker 2:No, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:If you say, in 10 years you've done three or four final fours in a championship? All right, I can, I can get.
Speaker 2:I don't like the teams that win a championship and they do nothing for five years, win a championship and they do nothing for five years, like it feels like you're putting it together once every five years well.
Speaker 1:so I think it depends on the type of team, because if you were like, all right, we just graduated nine, that's a whole new team. You've got so many.
Speaker 2:I don't think we have to worry about that anymore. No, that's going to be very rare anymore.
Speaker 1:But if you graduate, eight of your ten returning well, two of those guys may not even really have gotten good minutes. So then are you bringing in transfers, are you bringing in all freshmen? Then you're like all right, now we've got to worry about a guy developing, we've got to worry about a guy staying healthy. It's way more than just well, they did it this time and now we have to wait four years again. You kind of have to wait until the guys have really developed In the NBA it's never have really developed Like in the NBA.
Speaker 2:It's never, well, that's what I think now In the NBA.
Speaker 1:It's going to change. It's like alright, if you're not doing it year after year, it's not really impressive.
Speaker 2:Now you can just bring in a whole other team and potentially win a championship. Now it's very different.
Speaker 1:It's almost harder to say if you're one of the big teams and you're not competing, money's there Like the guys just have to go find it Like no reason. Again. I'll say it again no reason. Carolina's as bad as they are. Oh, there is a reason.
Speaker 2:They are sponsored by Michael Jordan. No, there is a reason. The players just will not get it together. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:I'm going to mute your mic.
Speaker 2:Those players man, they just don't want it. Gosh, it's hard.
Speaker 1:Coach is their leader, though, so maybe they're following lead Coach. I mean, I feel like he's just got to be able to do more, and it's not even like saying, well, these guys don't look like they care. If you're not pushing them in practice and you're not really working on the shortcomings that you have, it's easy to not care because you're saying, well, coach doesn't care that we're not good at this.
Speaker 2:Well, listen, I told you, I think he's great, I think if Carolina lets him go you love having him there because you don't have to worry about him. If, if, all the years that I love those were great battles were great battles, it would not be that. I love seeing north carolina down. You know it's. It's one of those things, but the only thing to be better, I think north carolina should probably fire him. He hasn't got it done, but I think you think duke should hire?
Speaker 1:yeah, shire is just not cutting it either I was gonna say the only thing for you better than carolina doing bad is if duke is up there too.
Speaker 2:I like to see those, and I would much again.
Speaker 1:I would rather duke be bad than Kentucky be bad. Yeah, I mean, obviously we have the common enemy.
Speaker 2:I think is there. You think every fan base feels that way. Like, take your big schools Kansas, north Carolina, kentucky who else are we putting in there?
Speaker 1:Duke's in there. Maybe, UConn.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying like do we all feel the same way about Duke Like Duke's our last. No, I don't think so. I don't think Kansas feels that way. Kansas doesn't really have any history with Duke, not like that. So you think they would they feel worse towards North Carolina than they do.
Speaker 1:Duke probably okay. Well, like one one, like Roy, was kind of taken from Kansas true, that's a good point now don't get me wrong, they can't really be mad. They got Bill Self, who's done incredible over his career, yeah, um, but yeah, like I think there's been more battles there than there has been.
Speaker 2:You know, kansas do see, that's as much. I don't like kansas and they have their struggle, especially this year oh they, that's a rough, that's a sign of a pretty good program to roy williams leave and you bring a bill self and like just keep going yeah, we never slow down.
Speaker 1:I mean they, yeah, what like 10 straight Big 12 championships? Yep, I mean it was a decent conference at the time too. It wasn't just an awful. You know, they were the only good team You've seen.
Speaker 2:you know Duke had Coach K for some years, so now you have Shire. You don't know exactly how it's going to go. You see, unc. What they're doing after Williams, right, if you look back at their history it's like I think what's the saying Great good drunk, and then they go great good drunk.
Speaker 1:Gotcha.
Speaker 2:Over and over Gotcha. So, they kind of keep having this little span.
Speaker 1:So I think they're on. I mean, I feel like we're in the Brad Doherty years of Carolina it feels like that right now. It's one of those just embarrassing Heck. The talent Dohery had was incredible. He had so many good guys. It was like how do you not win with?
Speaker 2:that team, you still got to push them, especially the college kids. Did he have better?
Speaker 1:talent than Cal did in that time period. Heck, no, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:No, gosh, no, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Listen, there are never going to be teams that were that loaded. I just don't think you're going to see it, cal's teams were extremely athletic.
Speaker 2:That's what he wanted Positionless basketball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you look at, I mean when you're saying you've got cousins and waltz, but he never had shooters.
Speaker 2:No, and he wouldn't.
Speaker 1:No, he didn't really care.
Speaker 2:When he had them, he didn't play them.
Speaker 1:He wasn't a big guy that wanted to live around the arc, he wanted to get to the basket.
Speaker 2:So we mentioned this too and it's kind of on the spot. We've thought a little bit best college basketball players in time and I know you've mentioned. You know you got to look at guys stats, so it's probably guys that's been there longer than just a one and done yeah, so and kind of the reason I say that it's just like you need a bigger sample size I'm I'm going christian latner, by the way, oh dear god you are not saying latner because he's taking shots of you listen, he is the reason kentucky hates duke.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like he is the sole one of the main reasons, if it wasn't for that you wouldn't hate duke. Well, the other reason I hate north carolina is uh, who was it? Luke may? Yeah, a little different you know, he didn't have much of a career after that, so very different no, but I said that because uh will said that the other day and in it yeah, he basically made the statement of you can't argue with how he started this.
Speaker 1:You can't argue that christian latner is not the best college basketball player of all time.
Speaker 2:Well, I even said in the moment I could see his point college basketball, but he was a good cause. But that was even like I was, or how old was I then? Like very young.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing he made this statement. It was like 11 30 at night we're out working at the range and I'm like I don't have the capacity around to think about that. So I texted the next morning and told him to go seek help, institutionalize or whatever you need, buddy, like I'll drive you to your appointments because there is no shot. I would consider le latner the greatest college basketball player of all time, but he's a duke fan he is. But so that's the thing. Though every player that he picks, he says bobby hurley's greatest point guard of all time, latner's the best player of all time so let's do that, and like he just, he just goes to look at north carolina.
Speaker 2:Who's the best player ever played north carolina? I mean, it's in a tower.
Speaker 1:Because we're younger, I would have to go look at some stuff I don't know off the top of my head, because I mean honestly, like when you look at full careers, jordan wouldn't be the best college player. Jordan wouldn't be there. But you had guys way back when you know. Phil Ford was unbelievable. Yeah, you've got Tyler Hansborough, for your career holds so many records Like he did a lot in his time at Carolina. Yeah, do I think he's overall one of the best players to ever play college basketball? No, but I do think, like as a Tar Heel, statistically wise, like yeah, man, it's up there.
Speaker 2:Well, the 90s guys and I was so young then you know right, and I didn't actually live in kentucky through most of that.
Speaker 1:But a lot of them talk of rex chapman and correct some of those guys you know so good old rex chapman, phoenix sons, yeah so you know, those were good players um so it's hard because everybody automatically flocks to like, well, the best guys are since 2010. I'm like, all right, the game is different in 2010 than it was in 1980. Yeah, yeah, like it's just, it's not the same.
Speaker 2:The flip side of that if you look at most championships and we talked about this you've got to go to UCLA in that span we just talked about Correct.
Speaker 1:Those guys have three. So it's hard to argue Like so many people will come out and say Lou, alcindor Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, but I almost feel like that gets skewed just a little bit, because then he went to the pros and did the exact same thing, like he won championships For the longest time he was leading in points, like he had both a college and pro career, which you don't see a lot of those guys do.
Speaker 2:But, but that might be a sign of a great college player.
Speaker 1:It's hard, though then I look at somebody like Pistol Pete. The man averaged over 40 with a double-double. I'm not saying he just scored, he did a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2:I wonder if we could find a list on this. Oh yeah, there's plenty of top 10 lists.
Speaker 1:There's plenty of these, because.
Speaker 2:I would bet, especially because of the one-and-done era that we've went through so much, and now the uh transfer portal and all that, most of these names are probably older than us, so a lot of these guys I might not even know or know much about and I'm just looking at stats and then that's hard to stats can be misleading.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's hard to go off of stats. Only Don't get me wrong, I'm not not questioning that. Um, yeah, it's hard to go off of stats. Only Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning that. But then, like I think a lot of these lists you're going to see, like Larry Bird, larry Bird took an Indiana State team to the national championship, like that's unheard of. You're not going to see something like that anymore.
Speaker 2:That's why I don't think it's all about stats either.
Speaker 1:No, so I don't think it's stats only. I don't think it's stats only. I don't. We've talked about how dominant. I just think it's got to be part of it.
Speaker 2:We've talked about how dominant Shaq is in the NBA Right. I think he was that way in college, wasn't he? Or very similar. Now again, I don't know how long he stayed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say he didn't do four. Yeah, no he didn't stay four, I don't think so it's kind of hard to. He was still behind people. Now that's kind of their own fault. They should have. So when you really look at these lists, you're looking at 60s, 70s that's what I figured 60s, 50s 50s.
Speaker 2:It's a different era then, so it's hard for me to look at it.
Speaker 1:I could almost put this one at my top 77 to 79. Magic Johnson at Michigan State I could see that one, and right behind him it shows 76 to 79,. Larry Bird I could argue for either one of those. Who's the most modern one on these lists? Oh, let's see, I've got to scroll a while no so. I get to 10. It's Christian Laettner 88 to 92. Okay, but then other than, him, there's nobody close, I take that back. Tim Duncan, wake Forest 93 to 97. Tim Duncan.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's the most modern one on the list. Nobody from the 2000s on the list of best college football players.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's too recent for people, or maybe it's the one and done era that we couldn't.
Speaker 2:You know. They've got anthony davis at 27. He's the one that comes to my mind, but I'm a kentucky fan, so there's some bias there. Two but that's the one and done so he's not gonna have. He played 11 to 12 but that's the thing.
Speaker 1:Like he didn't want to change, it's hard for, but it's hard for me to argue. He's one of the greatest fall time. He averaged 14 points, 10 rebounds that.
Speaker 2:That's why I don't like stats, because he was not. Yes.
Speaker 1:I've not put stats solely in it. It's just I think when you say, alright, this guy versus this guy, at some point stats do have to come into it to an extent. Not solely but to an extent.
Speaker 2:For everything else he did, he was probably the best player on that team. I mean, he was, he went number one.
Speaker 1:But he also had michael kidd gilchrist on that team.
Speaker 2:He had a lot of good players with him. That kid was a bum, well he was a good college player.
Speaker 1:He was a good defender. No, he couldn't shoot to save his life.
Speaker 2:He could dunk. I remember that's. We went and watched the expedition game. He dunked on the free throw line, which is every college basketball player like that's such a misleading. No, I mean no Flashy dunks, I guess I'd say so that's the thing you also have on this list.
Speaker 1:Kevin Durant one year, but he averaged 26-11. Now, different team. They didn't do a whole lot. It was at Texas. There was nobody else with him. So, yes, anthony Davis did it with more people, but at some point, like stats, do have to come into it to an extent. Again, I'm not putting Anthony Davis in my top five of all time, but I don't know who you put there.
Speaker 2:Not in college, there's no stats.
Speaker 1:College basketball is just such a it's a hard thing to really pick one because at most you have a four-year snapshot. At most Most of them do not have that no exactly shot. At most most of them do not have that no exactly most do not. So it's very, very hard. But I mean, you look at you know there are people that say, well, mj is one of the greatest of all time in college only because what he did after like I don't think it's it's really got to me.
Speaker 1:It has nothing to do with what you did after. It's about what did you do while you were there there's a lot of.
Speaker 2:That's the only thing that I really care about college and you do while you were there. There's a lot of kids that came out of college and really well, you just mentioned.
Speaker 1:SGA, oh right.
Speaker 2:He was not the best college.
Speaker 1:He was not, that he wasn't the starter for half the season.
Speaker 2:Now that could be a Cal problem too.
Speaker 1:No, but even then he was not. We did not see what he's doing in the pros.
Speaker 2:So I think there's a lot of players like that. So that's a very tough conversation because it does go to older guys that I don't really know that much about or didn't really watch it does.
Speaker 1:And it's hard to like when we start talking 50s and 60s like that. The game then was not the same, like it was such a different game. I'm not saying that there was nobody good, it's just you can't translate. Could those guys play today? I think it's an automatic. No Like, guys from the 40s and 50s, athletically, are just not playing with the guys today. In the 80s we started to really see the athleticism jump up, so it's a little different then. Well, everybody now.
Speaker 1:I guess late 70s, into 80s really yeah but yeah, I mean that's kind of been our basketball kick for quite a while. Yeah, let's go back to modern because we're getting really close to the end of college season now. We've got what two, three weeks left I think two for a lot of these teams, looking at like four games maybe left for a lot of these guys, so we're coming. Four games maybe left for a lot of these guys, so we're coming down to. I really have no excitement for the ACC tournament because it's Duke and who they're going to play. What?
Speaker 2:did you tell me earlier, 14 SEC teams are projected to be in the last projection I saw for the SEC.
Speaker 1:They're projecting 14 of the 16 teams to be in the tournament.
Speaker 2:That is crazy, that's nuts, because I can go back and remember some acc years where we're like, oh, they're gonna get seven and we're like that's crazy, that was a big deal and they'd only get five and everybody's mad and it's like we're talking 14, but I really am curious to see them play other teams and see if they're as good as they are yeah, so that's a statement I made earlier we were talking.
Speaker 1:It's kind of starting to remind me of the sec football this year. Everybody's like well they're, they're just. Every team is better than everybody else. I don't think the middle is as good as as we are kind of throwing out there it feels a lot like football, but I think basketball might be legit the top six and I don't know that I legit the top six.
Speaker 2:I don't know that I can even say top six, I don't know Top four, maybe they're good. I made a statement earlier and I still believe it. It's possible it'll be harder to win the SEC tournament than to get to the Final Four in the NCAA tournament, because you're going to have to play some teams, but the only reason is because you have more film on these teams.
Speaker 1:You've played them already. You know their ups and downs, you know what they do.
Speaker 2:So, you think that makes it easier to win the SEC tournament because they have the film.
Speaker 1:No I think every team it's harder in terms to win your conference tournament than it is your NCAA. Purely on the basis of you've already played them, you know what they like to do. You're not getting me any surprises, yeah, but I was telling you, but what I'll say different.
Speaker 1:The NCAA tournament is always going to be harder to me, regardless of who you play, the amount of travel. There's no such thing as a home game. You're only going to get limited. Like you may say, hey, we've got a lot of fans here, but half those people are not there. For you, like, if you talk about first and second round, you buy tickets. You go sit there all day. You may watch what four or five games that day.
Speaker 2:And you may not give a. You may not even know who some of these teams are. I don't like the arenas that they play in these games. I think they're very weird.
Speaker 3:It's all about money. The depth perception and all this stuff. It's all about money as many people as possible.
Speaker 2:But, like I was looking at this, so the projections right now. So for Auburn to win the SEC tournament, okay, one thing, just one team. They've got to go through Alabama, who I think is a pretty good team. Okay. For them to go to the Final Four. The best team they'll play is Iowa State. Maybe the projections right now that could change a little bit.
Speaker 1:But that's the thing is st john's, utah, state like they're playing teams in sec better than any of them, maybe, but st john's has been good all year, yeah, but I would say it's been good all year. But we're gonna say well, look who they're playing, but look, look, what happened to football oh, I saw the exact same thing.
Speaker 1:I want to see it it's hard for me to say well, the, the tournament, their conference tournaments, can be harder in that aspect. I don't think so. I think the part of it is you are going to get way more learning about a team playing them than you are watching film, like coaching, even at the high school level a few years ago with Paul it was all about hey, we're going to watch a lot of film, we're going to know what these guys do. We want to know their habits. We want to know what kind of things their habits.
Speaker 1:We don't know what, what kind of things they like to do in certain situations like the, the film you can get a lot off of, but it's not the same as being on the court with them yeah, because you well, they've all played. Your players know it not just the coaches trying to translate it and I think.
Speaker 2:I do think if you lost a team, there's some chip on your shoulder, revenge factor when you get.
Speaker 1:you're gonna learn more in a loss than you are in a win. Yeah, exactly, we've all said that in every sport.
Speaker 2:But Florida gets a double bye. They only have to play three games in the SEC tournament, correct?
Speaker 1:Currently, it's not over yet.
Speaker 2:They're going to get the double bye, probably, but right now they'd have to beat Tennessee, alabama and Auburn in a row in the NCAA tournament to get to the Final Four. But you don't know that, not of that caliber, but you don't know that.
Speaker 1:That's the thing. But what we're saying is, when you only play these guys in the conference like who has Florida played out of conference this year, but they're going to play a 16th seed, like a Norfolk State or somebody, 16th seed, I'm throwing that out. That doesn't count.
Speaker 2:First round.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that so that's what I'm saying is like everybody's like well, if you're number one, you don't play good teams, then why did a one lose to a 16th? Why we had it?
Speaker 2:multiple times. I'm not saying so that that's where I'm like.
Speaker 1:It's hard for you to say, well, they're going to play better talent, maybe just because there's more notoriety there, but we don't know that these teams aren't just as good, if not better.
Speaker 2:No, I'm 100% with you on that, because it happens all the time and a great team comes out and has a clunker and a 16 beats a one, and you know we've seen it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'll just be honest with you. Florida's played nobody out of conference, nobody.
Speaker 2:You know. Just saying you're right, we don't know them. But based on what we think, we know right now, I think the SEC tournament would be harder. Now, when we get down to it, we might see different.
Speaker 1:And I'm really curious. It's just hard when your snapshot is only against your own conference, like if we had a bunch of non-conference games and they went out and beat Duke. And they went out and beat, I would say, kansas on normal years, but not really this year, well, not really this year, well.
Speaker 2:Kentucky beat Duke. That was early. Did Auburn lose to Duke? They did. That's what I thought, yeah.
Speaker 1:Florida non-conference did not play a single-ranked team.
Speaker 2:Now Florida is getting based on playing Alabama. Carolina was awful.
Speaker 1:They beat Carolina by six. Let's just be honest Carolina was awful this year. We cannot compete with their size and we almost pulled that out.
Speaker 2:It's going to be the same thing as, like you said, the football bracket that we had. We're going to do the same thing in the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 1:And I'm curious to see how they fare in the tournament. We'll look at Auburn. Auburn this season. They beat Houston early in the year by five. They beat Iowa State by two. Yeah, Okay, so you're already saying we don't think they're as good, but they played pretty dang good. Lost to Duke. They beat Carolina. Carolina was ranked at the time.
Speaker 2:Obviously, that means nothing at this point, let's be honest. So you're saying they shouldn't have been ranked?
Speaker 1:Carolina was very gracious on the ranking they got early in the season. I thought we were ranked way higher than we should have been. We were top ten there for a bit. It's like no, no, we was never, we're gonna. We'll fix that for you. Um, you know now auburn's played better teams. I will say that having houston iowa state duke was a six point game.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I think purdue, I think florida they've got a little more sample size for me to say, okay, maybe they're better now florida and some of those teams are getting based on playing all over and how they do.
Speaker 2:But I'm with you. So what we missed in the football tournament was we could only take 12. Even though 12 is expanded and it's way better than what we ever had, we're going to get to take all of these SEC schools and see what they do, where we only got to take three in football.
Speaker 1:Right, well, I mean, it's way easier when you have 64. Exactly, Again, it blows my mind. You know where I'm going with this. If you get seeded as a 10, why the heck do you have a play-in game? I don't get that Like we have there for a while. It was not 64.
Speaker 2:It's actually 68. They get in. So what is that?
Speaker 1:saying it was the 16s that had play-ins and I'm like, okay, I get the 16s. I don't really care. Why do you have a play-in if you're not?
Speaker 2:the bottom four, so a 10 seed having a play-in. So if you're a 10 seed, like you said, because there's four of each, you're saying there's 24 teams. Worse than you Theoretically, and if you lose this one game you fall 24 spots and just not in the tournament at all. Right, that seems crazy.
Speaker 1:I don't get it, so I'm trying to get it pulled up and see what they've got here as far as how they do it. I haven't seen this show, so it's 11 through 14. There are teams 11 through 14 that have to do a play-in.
Speaker 2:That makes no sense.
Speaker 1:So the 16s that are just in and you have to do a play-in? That makes no sense. So the six teams that are just in and you've got to do a play-in yeah, and I'm like well, what's the point of that? You've got to prove yourself. Yeah, they're like well, it's at-large bids and Like, if you're good enough to get in, because here's the thing, 90% of the teams well, really, 99, whatever the percentage actually comes out to of the SEC is getting an at-large bid.
Speaker 2:Only one team can get an automatic If I had already told you something. I hate, I would just tell you I hate that that's true, but it sounds like you hate it too.
Speaker 1:That just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand the logic behind having teams are ranked lower than you but you still have to do a play-in. Because there isn't logic, because, as an 11, you can absolutely go upset somebody. I want to know who. But now you've had to play two games just to get through round of 64. Yeah, what does that do for?
Speaker 2:that team? Yeah, I'd say no if I'm a. You want me to play in for the 11? No, just go put me at 15. I'm okay there, just go put me in. I don't need to play in, right? It makes no sense and it's again it's a money grab.
Speaker 1:We get one extra day of these games, two extra days.
Speaker 2:Where do they do it it?
Speaker 1:talks about going more. I don't want more. It's big, 64 is a lot.
Speaker 2:I don't know that it's going to make a difference in the outcome we're going to get a couple more games, what are we going to have?
Speaker 1:1 versus 20? What sense does that make? What are they saying?
Speaker 2:It ain't a big difference 72 or something. Right now they're talking.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, so another round of play-in games. I.
Speaker 2:Yes, I don't know You're eight. We're going to play in for the five seed this time.
Speaker 1:So if you've made it this far with us, please let us know what your opinion is on this. If you're into college basketball whatsoever which I think, it's a little bit easier to be into college basketball than college football for a lot of people just because you do get so many more teams in there is yeah, so what's your opinion? Should we have play-in games for anybody above a 16 seed? I firmly believe no. I think it's stupid. I don't like the idea of adding going to 72, because it's just more play-in games I'd love to argue with you on something, but I can't argue on that one.
Speaker 2:My logic is sound. I wouldn't go that far, uh, oh okay, 76, I think, is kind of what they're throwing out there so again, that's just enough to have more play-ins, I guess.
Speaker 1:So to me it's like all right, we're not seeing enough one-seeds win, let's tire out everybody below them.
Speaker 2:So here's what we should do. We should get like eight number one-seeds and make them play-ins and then, if you don't win, you're out. Sorry, you didn't even make it around 64 as a one.
Speaker 1:So top eight here you go throw you in into the furnace here we go make about the same sense wasn't it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean at this point, like what? Why do we even have a tournament if we're doing that? Like I just don't, it doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, I don't get speaking of tournaments and brackets and everything. Good news on college football we are already seeing the big four conferences coming together. So they have a big meeting in Dallas next week to discuss some possible changes. You know whatnot? They're already on the phone with each other saying guys, we've got to change some things, can't do this, no more. I don't know if they listened to you and me jabber about it forever because there's much better ways to do it.
Speaker 1:I mean tournament-style things have been around since before the 50s, obviously in basketball. So, like it's been done, even with small amounts of teams, we should be able to rank these teams better. We should Going back looking and not even talking about what happened in the games Clemson being in, possibly SMU being in and Arizona State being in, boise State being in those four teams of the 12, I have no need for them to be there.
Speaker 2:Some of the arguments would say well, who would you put in? Well, alabama, I think, would have done better than some of those.
Speaker 1:And I'm not just going to sit here and say, oh, let's just automatically throw SEC. I'd need to sit here and say, oh, let's just automatically throw. Sec. I need to go back and look at some of it. Oh, I wouldn't either.
Speaker 2:But it's just like.
Speaker 1:I'll even say, leave Indiana in Like leave Indiana, oh that should be the first one they had. What two losses all year. They played their first round, decent. We have to. I'll even leave that.
Speaker 2:We have to fix this. This was a different year, you know, buddy.
Speaker 1:But this was a different year. We saw many more teams with more losses. This year, only one undefeated going into the actual playoffs.
Speaker 2:Typically, you know, when we had four in the playoff, you may see two to three undefeated Maybe four, the argument for everybody and I'm going to play devil's advocate here if you're going to take teams out, you've got to say who would you put in? Sure, and that's going to be everybody's argument. And there's a couple teams I could think I would rather have seen in than some of those teams. But my biggest argument was the bye they gave them. Correct, like, don't give them byes.
Speaker 1:Just because you won a conference championship doesn't mean you deserve it.
Speaker 2:No your top four teams get the by regardless of where you fall.
Speaker 1:I agree with that. I do agree with that.
Speaker 2:Or I could go back and forth on should they be there or not, whatever, but they don't get a buy.
Speaker 1:Well, so I have the issue like Clemson barely squeaks in to the ACC, barely yeah, then they win it. So then it's like well, they're guaranteed in. Well, did they really deserve to be in?
Speaker 2:Like, when you look, at it across the board. Did they deserve to be in the ACC championship game? When you compare who the teams all played each other, that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1:So that's a whole other argument I have when we really start to talk about like especially I even say the SEC you've got 16 teams in one conference. They only play 12 regular season games. You can't play the same people.
Speaker 2:It's not possible.
Speaker 1:You only play eight games in your conference, correct? So then you're going to say there's 16 teams, so 15 others besides yourself, and you only play eight of them. Yeah, so obviously it's not going to match what the other guy, the other eight that they played, because then they're like, well, we've got to put the rivalries in. You don't have the same rivalry as everybody else. You're going to put some close proximity ones in that's different than everybody else. So what's the point? Yeah, it's not equal.
Speaker 1:To me these super conferences are kind of, in a way, ruining football.
Speaker 2:As much as I hate to say it. Conferences or divisions might be the benefit. Now again, I know we talked about Big Ten. You saw one side that was lopsided for years.
Speaker 1:But that's what I like about the NFL the way they do divisions. You still play and it's still about what you do in the NFC. But it's still like if you win your division you're in, but you could be the last seed because of how it falls. Now they still do the whole. You win the division, you're a top four. Still not crazy about that side of it because we've seen division winners at eight and eight it's like all right, that's, you've got a 10 win team who is in a wild card because this team won eight, exactly like I don't. I don't love that and that's the fault that you see with divisions. Well, but I also hate the, the nfl, the way they do their playoff. The best team always plays the lowest available.
Speaker 3:They move their bracket around. I don't like that To me brackets, bracket, leave it.
Speaker 1:If an upset happens, the upset happens. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 2:You shouldn't kind of reseed it. They're trying to get the two best teams. It doesn't always happen.
Speaker 1:I just don't care. When it comes to a bracket. The fun part about it is the chaos that can happen. So if you know, in this instance the 12 seed upsets the five and go, plays the one and upsets them, they shouldn't automatically go and then play the two. That's still available. Play whoever's next.
Speaker 2:I don't know how college conferences change it, because they're already doing eight conference games, correct.
Speaker 1:Nobody wants to do more than that, of course not, and then they're not going to make the schedule longer.
Speaker 2:No and you've added well, even they don't want to take away a team, another team throughout the year that you're getting home revenue from, from these smaller teams coming in, so you don't want to lose that, and then because of the playoff, if you make it, you've got a couple extra games there, right?
Speaker 1:I don't know what you do. Conference championship you've got the extra game, then you've got the extra playoffs. Like it's've got the extra playoffs, it turns into a much longer season. You're seeing what 16 potentially 17 games I guess it is.
Speaker 2:Is that what it took this year to win a championship Somewhere around that I mean?
Speaker 1:because you look 12 regular season, one conference championship and if you win the tournament, so yeah it would be 17.
Speaker 2:Ohio State won it and they didn't get the bye. But now they didn't have their conference game their conference championship.
Speaker 1:They didn't win the conference Would have been there if they beat Michigan.
Speaker 2:So if they'd won their conference game, if they had to play it, what was that They'd have been? What?
Speaker 1:16-1?
Speaker 2:16 games to win.
Speaker 1:Yeah, losing to Oregon. They would have been like 16-1. So it would have been like 17 games.
Speaker 2:Oh, so they had to play 17. Something like that. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure if it was 16 or 17.
Speaker 1:I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 2:You were getting into the NFL season at that point. Yeah With college players.
Speaker 1:So then when you throw the playoffs on the NFL, it gets longer.
Speaker 2:It does, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's regular season or what they're always asking about adding another week in NFL. They're up to 18, and 25 by next year, who knows?
Speaker 2:But I mean personally, let's go 20. I don't care, I love college football.
Speaker 1:I do, but then I feel like it's just too much. It is Like football, like kind of some of the joy of what makes football so great, whether it's NFL or college. Like, obviously NFL, there's almost games every night anymore. Like they're they're adding more. They're adding fridays, they're getting ready to add tuesday, like they're they're throwing a bunch more in there, but it's still like the big core of games. It's either saturday or sunday, like for, if you're a big college fan, we got saturday football starts at noon and goes till, depending on where you're watching.
Speaker 3:1 am or later. I've watched, I've been up watching games, yeah west coast, or you know, nfl.
Speaker 1:They start at like 12, 12, 30, and it's all night as well.
Speaker 2:This is such a random question, but you know we have games on the east coast that start, you know, 7, 7, 30, a lot of times, you know not not on saturdays, but like during the, the, the evening games during the week, and then we'll have the West Coast games that are still on at 2 in the morning. Sure, wouldn't it be better to be in the Midwest, somewhere where you kind of get the middle?
Speaker 1:You think it's the best of both worlds.
Speaker 2:They kind of start at 6. I don't like tornadoes, so I don't really care about that I'm just saying the best college football viewing would be that sweet spot.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying the best college football viewing, you know is going to be that sweet spot If I wasn't going to live where I currently live. I like the beach, but I couldn't live there, so, like Florida is not really my ideal, I think I could live on the beach, so where are?
Speaker 1:you going Somewhere like Texas. I could do Texas Because you've got solid weather year-round for the most part. They don't really like they get some cold, but it's not super cold Selfishly. There's fantastic golf there. There's golf everywhere, like it's like Florida in that aspect. It's literally everywhere, because there's so much space, depending on where you're at. Obviously there's some very outskirt areas middle of nowhere. Texas, you know. You go anywhere dallas suburbs or you know any of that stuff well, being on the east coast pretty much my whole life.
Speaker 2:I've only been in texas once. I think, um, and I didn't even get all in west texas, right huge state it's it's unique, I like I like yeah I like it's different I've been've been to Texas once other than being born there.
Speaker 1:It was a baby baby when we moved, so I don't really count that as knowing anything about it. Yeah, but we went once and I just think it's a cool area. I'm not going to live in the city. I'm not a big city person, I'd rather be more on the outskirts. Going to live in the city, I'm not a big city person, I'd rather be more on the outskirts, but I still think, like you could be two hours outside of you know one of the big cities which is good ways out, yeah, and you still got a lot still got a lot.
Speaker 1:It's just there's more developed stuff there. Yeah, growing up here in the mountains, don't get wrong, the mountains are cool, there's a lot of cool stuff to it, but then you also have more weather. You've got more cold.
Speaker 2:It's more elevations a lot more stuff with you know, I moved here from kentucky several years ago and I say all the time I didn't go far enough south no, you, I mean you're in the same climate as what you were and you're not missing much uh, it's colder there, but it's still too cold here, right so?
Speaker 2:but no, I could live on the beach and, like I'm not one of those that I want to go out deep sea fishing and out in the middle of the ocean all the time. I just literally like the beach, just the view, the uniqueness, it's just something about it that so for me, like you know, I I like being near the beach.
Speaker 1:We'll say that I'm I'm a beach adjacent kind of person, because I hate sand. I absolutely despise singing that is so weird. And then at the same time, I'm a pretty solid swimmer, always have been love being in the water, love pools, love that stuff there's. I'm in no control in the ocean the ocean.
Speaker 2:Don't care if you can swim not even talking about.
Speaker 1:You know sharks or creatures, but you know, all of a sudden the riptide gets crazy. Like the ocean is just crazy to me there's so many odd things there that we know so little about and I'm just like I don't much care for that. I don't care for the beach and the ocean itself, so like it's beautiful. Don't get me wrong. There's some views that are just immaculate.
Speaker 2:That's what I enjoy about it. So yeah, like give me ocean view cool okay I don't need to be on it, so you'd be okay looking out your window and seeing it and yeah, oh yeah, I'd be in the pool and look at those, correct, okay, correct, I mean I'll get, I'm good with that, I don't care about being at the beach I'll get in the water and play around a little bit with the kids and stuff.
Speaker 2:But you're right, like those sharks and stuff you see coming up close anymore and things and you have no control.
Speaker 1:You have no control. You not in charge.
Speaker 2:The currents and stuff that you see. Yeah, but I just think it's cool, like you said, just the I don't want to say view, but like the kind of the atmosphere, the surroundings, there's some uniqueness stuff in different locations.
Speaker 1:I love. Like a lot of the beaches we've been to. You've got pretty solid weather. It gets hot, but you always kind of have that breeze like you have. You know the ocean smell. Obviously it can be bad in certain places if you know you're kind of in a rougher beach area. But most of the beaches we've been to have been pretty well taken care of, pretty nice. You don't have just the awful junk everywhere. But yeah, I just don't. I have no desire to just always be at the beach, because then too it's like all right if I can't be in the water. It's too hot.
Speaker 2:I wonder if the humidity is just so high. You know, I lived at the beach when I was a kid not on the beach but in Florida close. But I wonder, if you live there, if it doesn't have the same attraction Like to us. We're not there all the time, so it's kind of like.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing a shadow of a doubt. That's true. Look where we live. I have no desire to go up in the mountains and do all the stuff that people come here, for I know, so I'm like, yeah, I guarantee, if I'm at the beach, it's like I'd probably want to come up here to the mountains.
Speaker 2:I think you'd want to change pace yeah, but maybe you live where whichever one you like the most and you still want to change the pace somewhere. But one of those things I don't want to be near hurricanes and all that kind of stuff no but I love at the beach and seeing like a storm rolling. You can see like the rain, a regular storm. Yeah, it's really really cool.
Speaker 1:No hurricane I think what's so cool about it is you can see the whole thing kind of happen. You can like when you're in the mountains, obviously you don't see anything because it's just kind of trapped, but when you're in the city too, like you don't get to see it all, just kind of rolling in and developing and doing everything but you watch one you watch one come over the water yeah, it's big difference.
Speaker 2:I guess it'd be that way in midwest, but, like in your point, it might be a tornado coming at you.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so I mean it partly depends on where you're at, but yes, there's much worse storms there, but at the same time, like I, would almost rather live on like a good size lake let me find like give, give me like a I sized lake.
Speaker 2:That'd be fun. Give me like a boat to go out fishing.
Speaker 1:I love being on a lake. Lakes are fantastic to me.
Speaker 2:It's part of the same thing. You can't see what's in there. You don't know what's in there. It's kind of animals and whatnot.
Speaker 1:The thing about that is there's less things that can be in there, is there? Yeah, I mean, as soon as you take sharks out of the equation, there's there's less predators if you're south you might have gators you gotta worry about.
Speaker 2:Depends on where you're at depends where?
Speaker 1:yeah, for sure I don't like up here, like if you live on a lake up here, there's not much to worry about. There's not, there will be no. Like the climate's not good for gators, you're not having some snakes a few snakes, but about it? Yeah, not many of those are out in open water.
Speaker 2:I mean, I grew up, those are usually by the banks. I grew up at the lake, all the time Right, swimming in the lake and everything.
Speaker 1:I love going to the lake. Lakes are fantastic. Who knows what's in there?
Speaker 2:but Of course you know.
Speaker 1:If you don't have around here is lake fishing. We have streams and rivers. Oh, we've got plenty of lakes. They're just all private. Well, that's true, there are plenty of lake spots, but you've got to know somebody.
Speaker 2:It's mostly trout fishing in the streams and the rivers and that's fun, but I want to get on a boat on the lake.
Speaker 1:What I going to the rivers, though, is just. I like having the space, I like having just the open, that I don't have to worry about it, because, like, when you're fishing in the river, it it's a lot. You gotta be a lot more locked in, because otherwise, you're getting caught on everything.
Speaker 1:The water's moving, it's a lot more just paying attention to every little thing, where, kind of like on the lake, you can kind of just hang out with your buddies and it's more of just a relaxing, just chill adventure than it is. Yeah, I'm really just out here trying to catch every little thing.
Speaker 2:I can Get you a pontoon boat with a grill on there. You're grilling one hand and riding the other hand.
Speaker 1:Speaking my language Now.
Speaker 2:I'm all for it.
Speaker 1:See, that's what we need to do On a golf course, golly.
Speaker 2:Can we all over it yeah?
Speaker 1:Just get off the boat and go play golf.
Speaker 2:Do it down at Hartwell do it down at heartwell, good, limson. Yeah, expensive houses down there.
Speaker 1:Well, we ain't buying a house, we're just gonna take the boat down that's true, be easier to just drive right up to your house and do all that, that stuff.
Speaker 2:But yeah, well, that would be, yeah now we're talking. That'd be fun if I could just go out there and fish every day. I could do that.
Speaker 1:I like to fish yeah, that that would be fun. I I would enjoy that and I love, I love what I will say a lake in the mountains. There's very few things more beautiful Because you have the water view plus all the mountains. You have kind of have the whole atmosphere. So you're like all right when I'm fishing at sunset and I've got mountain backdrops, clear skies and I'm on the lake like there's very few things that are cooler than that. I'm with you.
Speaker 2:Lake, there's very few things that are cooler than that. I'm with you. I can handle that. Maybe that's a retirement thing on the lake. I've got too many years to think about retirement right now.
Speaker 1:I know I'm too young for that and I don't feel young, but I know I'm way too young to consider retirement yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe We'll see.
Speaker 1:I've got to win the lottery that I don't play, so it's kind of tough.
Speaker 2:You never know.
Speaker 1:There's some big ones, though I know you've talked about it a few times. You're like, yeah, we went and bought one because it was like some hundreds of millions, and it's like, yeah, I feel like you've got to at least try. It's a couple bucks.
Speaker 2:I mean, I used to have the view if I'm going to play the lottery, it needs to be life-changing 10 bucks well, but even then, like you went 10 grand, like that's not true, but that's not truly life changing no, now I've come around on that lately, but a few years ago I wouldn't. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1:I'll take any money you can give me don't get me wrong because, like you know, obviously most people live where you always have some kind of bill. You always have something that, like you're.
Speaker 1:Yes, any extra money you would love to have, yep but, but to me it's just like I don't really care to go waste five bucks on a potential you know 25,000 or scratch off when I'm only going to get about 12 of that Cause the government's taking it, I agree, but and it's like, yeah, 12 is cool, but how much did you spend to get it?
Speaker 2:The flip side is I'm going to take that $5 and buy a drink and a candy bar, and so you know. So it's still going to be wasted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, it's just something a little bit different, like cause, here's the thing You're going to buy that drink candy bar anyways. So now you're just spending double. So what was the point? There's just very few Like, especially locally.
Speaker 2:Just let me gamble.
Speaker 1:Let me alone, gamble, listen, gamble all you want. I know you've been doing some of the small sports stuff for quite a while now.
Speaker 2:It's been a few years. It's fun, but I put some money in a few years ago.
Speaker 1:I've never put another penny in Right, you've just been playing off the same money for a while so mildly successful enough to at least keep you going.
Speaker 2:Well, I I did win some, but this past season it went down quite a bit. I usually do college football. Well, we did talk about that this year was tough.
Speaker 1:Now. The live betting is way more fun, I think, because you're just, you get to watch it.
Speaker 2:You're involved. It's a little different. I get involved in a game. I don't care about over $5 or something. That's the thing.
Speaker 1:I've never brought myself to do it, and I had this discussion with my brother, brad it was like I could see myself easily getting hooked, like you you do just you do remotely good on one. You're like if I put a hundred bucks I'd have done really good oh, yeah, and then if you win that one, it's like it turns into five. It turns into stuff that I'm like it could. I don't have that kind of money to blow.
Speaker 2:I've never got and I'm not saying I would necessarily just gravitate towards that.
Speaker 1:It's just. I feel that could be a very slippery slope.
Speaker 2:So when I first started doing it, I just wanted to bet for fun, sure, and I would bet on sports. I didn't know anything about it. I'd bet on soccer randomly and I would lose like crazy and I'm like like, why am I betting on this? I don't know anything about it. So I started getting more strategic about what I bet on and so I've done better with that. But again, it's not, it's a, it's just an enhance, a game I don't really care that much about. I'm not doing it for the money.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't put any money in gambling that I'm not okay. Just losing anyways like it's just a fun thing do you?
Speaker 1:do you ever really bet on games that you do care about, sometimes like a buckeye game, like do you really bet on that much? Sometimes because I feel like you, even if you're like good odds, like I don't want to bet against my team so I found with kentucky basketball, sometimes your emotions for the team you like will make you bet.
Speaker 2:On them when you probably shouldn't. You know, you're like, oh yeah, they're going to win this game, you know. But then maybe when you step back and go well, maybe I thought more of that because I was a fan.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. Yeah, I could see kind of avoiding the games that you feel emotionally invested in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now it's fun to bet on the other team because then I win. Either way, my team wins, great. If my team loses, I got a couple bucks out, you know whatever that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I mean it does, but it's just there are times, but then you get conflicted things in the middle of the game right. Well, so that'd be the thing, like if I was betting on carolina basketball right now. There are many times that I'm like, yeah, I'm betting against them, yeah, because I'm expecting.
Speaker 2:But it's like, then I feel like I'm cheering against them and I'm like I'm not going to cheer against them because I still want them to win. I'm the same way. I can't do that.
Speaker 1:I'm still a fan so I want them to win.
Speaker 2:So that's kind of tough it's very hard to bet on teams you like, unless you're just like yep, they're great, they going to win everything, I'm betting on them. I'm betting everything on them and I'll go down with them if they lose, because that's what we do as fans anyways. Even if we don't bet on them, we're up and down with what our teams do.
Speaker 1:So that's another thing. If any of you do any kind of small sports betting, big sports betting, whatever it may be, what's kind of your take on that? Are you kind of like David's saying, betting on the games that you really don't have any involvement in because then it's more enjoyable, or are you betting for your team? Are you betting for one that you have the emotional investment in? Because I could kind of see both, because it's like you're like I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is. If I'm really behind this team, I'm putting some money behind it. But gosh, that's just if you have enough, sure, if you're if you're wealthy enough, you don't really care.
Speaker 2:Any real fan of any team. You know their faults.
Speaker 1:True. So, like you said, it's hard because you've been against them, but where I could see that, though is like at the beginning of the year, I'm going to put $100 that Ohio State's going to win the national championship at the end of the season.
Speaker 2:I can see that.
Speaker 1:That one's a little bit different. That's different betting.
Speaker 2:Yes, I feel like you kind of have to stay out of it the week. But I'm thinking, I'm thinking like, even like the long term would. Would you vote or would you bet?
Speaker 1:on your like a team that you're a fan of? Yeah, it's like. Or are you more calculated like? Now I gotta wait till it's closer to. Because here's the thing if they have three major injuries week one and they win five games all year is like what was the point?
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't like betting on anything that's that far off, because things change so much. Now you get good odds.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Your odds are very different, you get good odds because it's very unlikely you're going to win it. I mean, look at the tournament brackets we do every year. They give away millions of dollars to people who get those brackets right because it is so unlikely you're going to get it right.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean ESPN's done the NCAA bracket how many years now? And it's always like, by the time you get to Sweet 16, it's like down below 100 of perfect brackets left, because it's just the number of outcomes is outrageous.
Speaker 2:The same reason I don't bet on golf or NASCAR. There's so many individuals that could win so many different scenarios.
Speaker 1:Well, so the good thing about if you do golf betting you don't always have to bet for a winner, you can bet for, you know, an over-under oh yeah. There's so many other little bets that you can do that's not just.
Speaker 2:I got to bet for a win. Well, you can do that in football games. Oh, of course.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't mean that. But it's just in golf, I couldn't. There's so many things that can happen in any given moment.
Speaker 2:The crazy ones to me, like in the middle of a football game, is literally live. It'll say what's this team going to do on their fourth possession? What's this team going to?
Speaker 1:do on their fifth possession. But there's a lot of people that they're just betting on every little Field goal blocked field goal.
Speaker 2:It's like I don't know, some of those are tough, but you get such a good job. Now I mentioned NASCAR, so we just had Daytona 500.
Speaker 1:First, race of the season. We didn't watch it right. First race of the season Real race.
Speaker 2:We had a little exhibition a couple weeks ago, Okay so two races, I don't care about.
Speaker 1:Got it yeah, so no, I did not watch it. So obviously Daytona is. Whether you are into NASCAR or not, you probably heard of date. Whether you've necessarily heard of the daytona 500, you at least know there's a nascar race, some type of race that happens in daytona and it's.
Speaker 2:I record a lot of the races, watch them at late at night. I don't watch all of them, but when they're at daytona like this you know the the first part of the year, they have a couple smaller races in the middle of the week right and they have uh trucks the race.
Speaker 2:Then they have the xfinity series race and they have, and I try to watch all of them at daytona. I'm usually up late watching whatever, um, but it's just different to me that type of racing the first race back, it's a big deal, donald trump. They're driving around the track leading the cars which I thought it's funny, you do the pace car. Well, he was in the limousine, oh okay. And his what they call the beast?
Speaker 1:yeah, it makes sense yeah, obviously, so they had him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it was funny because they would at the corners. They wouldn't go up on the track because it's such a steep incline.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wouldn't imagine that thing would be able to do that well. Yeah, so they did a couple laps with that Not without quite a bit of speed to be able to stay up there Exactly yeah, but it was cool to see him there.
Speaker 2:Big takeaway from you know, dellenhart Jr had a car in there. Finally, he wasn't driving it, but somebody else. It's weird to me to have Earnhardt I feel like everybody knows in NASCAR racing but he's not involved in like the major cup series at all.
Speaker 1:Well, so we talked a bunch about NASCAR after the podcast last week we were discussing, because you were saying, hey, it's coming up. You know we'll probably discuss it. You know all that stuff. And here was my thought going on NASCAR. I thought about this all week and then saw who won and NASCAR is kind of in a weird place right now, what I feel, because no one knows who they are.
Speaker 2:If you are not a NASCAR fan, if you're not a NASCAR fan, because a lot of the older guys are gone.
Speaker 1:Golf is the same way. We're really close to being there. The only reason people still know is because Tiger's still there. Tiger's still there. He hasn't given up yet. So, nascar, all the guys that people knew You're talking about Arnhart Jr. You had Tony Stewart, you had Jeff Gordon.
Speaker 2:You know some NASCAR guys.
Speaker 1:Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 2:He's still racing, he's back.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, some of those guys though, you knew outside of it, they were bigger than just NASCAR, so, like they, they were doing so many other things and were involved in so many things, so you would, you kind of knew who they were this group like I'm looking through some of that and I'm like if I wouldn't have seen them on ESPN before or seen like that, that was a thing I couldn't tell you who they are. You've got so many young guys coming in at very young ages and it's knocking those guys out by no means by saying, well, is that's necessarily a bad thing for the? Again, don't consider sports motorsport a little bit different, but it's its own kind of subcategory. Yeah, but it's just hard because there's no one that is bringing attention for the non-NASCAR people. You kind of have to be a little more involved in it.
Speaker 2:No, and I'm not a fan of this one. The biggest one right now is Bubba Wallace, and I don't like that.
Speaker 1:It's a like okay, he's a decent driver. Even then, I don't know how many people are really like. They know who Bubba Wallace is. No, they're trying to get a specific fan set, I think with that, um again, I don't know that he's doing that or whatever, but um, I think a lot of that's pushed way above.
Speaker 2:I don't think the racing is as good as it used to be either, and even somewhat recently, uh, the daytona 500 was a crash fest, a lot of it, and it just wasn't that fun to watch. I don't know if you saw so same guy.
Speaker 3:I didn't. I'll go ahead and tell you I didn't see anything.
Speaker 1:I didn't know if you saw the clip, so you need to go look at the clip. I really haven't seen anything about other than I saw them do a post about who won.
Speaker 2:Well for the second time in two or three years. The same guy got airborne and literally his car done like a huge wheelie and the wind caught it and just flipped it upside down on its top side and cross. And that's one thing they're big on Like we cannot get cars upside down, like that's dangerous and I don't know what they're going to do about it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I mean I see what you're saying, but I'm almost like I don't have a thought on it because it doesn't. Nascar is a very tough thing to draw you in, and I was thinking about this too this week. A lot of people say that about golf, but the one thing about golf is you can go do that for cheap. Oh, you can.
Speaker 1:Racing is not a cheap thing even on like hey, I'm going to do the local dirt track. That's not a cheap thing, even on like hey, I'm going to do the local dirt track.
Speaker 2:That's not a cheap thing.
Speaker 1:It's not cheap at all, so it's not something that's just super accessible. So I think that's another thing that I would say is going against racing as a whole. I'm not just talking about NASCAR, but racing in the world what goes against?
Speaker 2:it is just accessibility. Nascar, for sure. I see NASCAR as it's almost a generational thing. I don't know if they pull in a lot of new fans. No, no, I can see it, Because of one of the reasons you just said like you can't just go race.
Speaker 1:Well, I looked at it a couple days ago. Nascar has about 3.3 million TV viewers. They actually get more TV viewers than golf, but there are hundreds of millions of people that are involved in golf. They go play golf. There's like hundreds of millions of golfers, we're talking. Thousands of racers, that's it. So, it's a very different thing. It's a different thing for sure. They say, week by week, nascar is going to get more views on a race than golf is on a tournament.
Speaker 2:Now I think it's hard to compare NASascar to golf, because nascar is an individual thing.
Speaker 1:If you look at overall motorsports racing, then you might get closer to when you start looking at no, no, I'm talking, but I'm just talking about racers as a whole.
Speaker 2:Like you're still, you're in the thousands yeah, but you can look at all the different types of cars, the different different trucks, the different motocross, the different boats. I mean you can get into a lot of racing.
Speaker 1:But when you look at it professional, you're still in, maybe into a million.
Speaker 2:Like it's not high, Possibly. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the number would be, but you look at professional in golf in their world golf rankings. You get into millions Like that's what I'm saying in their world golf rankings. You get into millions. That's what I'm saying. It's crazy, crazy numbers. So again, I'm not trying to say, well, golf's better than NASCAR, because no, it's simply a. Both sports are tough to drag new people to. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 2:It really, really is. But golf does have the upper hand. That, just like at 4U Golf, you can come grab one of our clubs and just hit some balls Right your golf. You can come grab one of our clubs and just hit some balls, right you can't just come down there and drive before go?
Speaker 1:go to goodwill, spend 15 bucks and get an entire bag worth of clubs. Find some balls out on the course. When you get there, you know you probably have golf balls. For some reason, people collect.
Speaker 3:I don't know why where you find them, you get them.
Speaker 1:But go to walmart, buy some new ones for 10 bucks. Get a whole case of crappy, just whatever balls, but you get them. But go to Walmart, buy some new ones for 10 bucks. Get a whole case of crappy, just whatever balls. But you could basically go for $50, paying for the course, doing everything, and go play For me though very few sports are that cheap.
Speaker 2:No, and there might be a lot of people like me, I don't know. I enjoy going hitting the golf balls having fun. I enjoy going hitting the golf balls having fun. I enjoy the entertainment side of it more than I do the sports side.
Speaker 1:But I think there's a lot of people that do the fun, the leisurely, whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I would much rather watch NASCAR or maybe even some other racing than watch golf on TV. And I like golf on TV. I'm not saying I don't like it.
Speaker 1:Well, but my thought on that is NASCAR. You get one day we get to see the start to a finish in a day. Even though it may be long, it's still a day. You don't get that in golf, it's four days.
Speaker 2:Even if it was one day, I think I'd rather watch the race and I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1:That's my personality, it's kind of hard to say, though, because we've never seen what one-day golf looks like, so you don't really have to compare. But still it's you've, you don't know what led you to here.
Speaker 2:You don't know the controversy that got us there. I told you that way the racing.
Speaker 1:I don't want to jump in the middle of a race, I need to see right in the end right, yeah, so for you, if you feel that way about golf, from thursday through sunday, nobody's gonna see you. No, because, yeah, you've got a lot of hours and that's hard for me to do.
Speaker 2:It's hard to jump.
Speaker 1:I can jump in on a day like I'll watch thursday through sunday, but I'm not sitting there in front of a tv watching every single I don't care, I don't care, I have to see it because there's so many guys that they show that aren't. Some of the guys they show on the first two days aren't making the weekend, so it's like I don't care to see them. Well, that's like. I watch it because I enjoy it, but it's just a different.
Speaker 2:If I'm gonna jump in in the middle of it, like some of them. I'll try to keep up with throughout the. You know the masters like that I'll keep up with, but I can jump in the last day, but that that's one of the majors, like it kind of transcends it does people that don't know golf know what the masters are but it's very different if I jump in the last day of a golf tournament.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at the, the leader, I'm going okay, these five or six can win, and that's all I'm paying attention to Right, I don't care about that.
Speaker 1:Listen, I agree with that. I'm not questioning that at all, but that's where I think. But I do think both sports struggle in that aspect. It's just hard to draw in new people, it is. You almost have to kind of get gimmicky in a way to get them to.
Speaker 2:Are they the biggest sports? That are that way, because, okay, is tennis bigger than golf or NASCAR, or even racing in general?
Speaker 1:I guess I don't think so. Again, tennis is very similar to golf in the aspect of it doesn't take much to be able to go out and play. So if you're talking about people, involved, but you've got to be.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I guess you've got athletic, but you gotta be pretty.
Speaker 1:I mean, tennis is a lot of running and stuff so like not just anybody can go do it, but if you play doubles it's not okay, so you can that can be easier and it depends too.
Speaker 1:Like everybody's just gonna play pickleball, I mean. So I played tennis most of my life, was fortunate enough to go play some in college as well. That is not the tennis that these people are going to go play, like when we used to play with some of the old men out at our local racquet club. Like old man tennis is not the same. There's not much movement, there's not much of anything. It's kind of a lot of just standing around.
Speaker 2:So you're kind of just dinking it back and forth. Isn't say tennis, volleyball, some of those other sports? Are they on the level with golf and NASCAR, like trying to get fans, or is golf and NASCAR ahead of them in in?
Speaker 1:viewerships and well. So I think the issue that you see in tennis, nobody cares unless it's a major. Okay, nobody's watching, unless it's a major. So a lot of people tune into the Australian Open, because the time that it is um, you get less people. Us Open's a kind of a big thing being in New York. There's a lot of celebrities, a lot of that kind of stuff. Uh, wimb, us Open's kind of a big thing being in New York. There's a lot of celebrities, a lot of that kind of stuff. Wimbledon is kind of like the Masters. If you know tennis or not, you've heard of Wimbledon, though it's just a very fancy thing. So yeah, you've got what. There are four majors of the year in the French Open on the clay. Outside of those, nobody cares. I hate to say that, growing up loving tennis the way I did, you're not watching. I've been to the tournament they host in Cincinnati Nobody's watching that on TV.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of personality. And again, I think a lot of sports is what you grew up on. The major sports you can get into, whether you grew up on them or not. These outlier even golf, it's you know. Did you grow up playing?
Speaker 1:golf. Do you know the goal? So, like my dad is still huge, huge into tennis. I mean like huge into it. He, he looks on fox news or espn to see who won these little tournaments. Yeah, he doesn't. He's still not watching. The only people that are really watching that they've got it on at, like, the country clubs and the racket clubs because it's like, well, that's what we do here, so you turn it on at the country clubs and the racket clubs Because it's like, well, that's what we do here, so you turn it on in the background. But they have very little viewership Worldwide. Maybe more, because the one thing about tennis is they play across the entire globe. Where NASCAR is America, only Golf really. Pga Tour is pretty much America. Only One tournament in Mexico, one tournament in Canada.
Speaker 2:You don't get much With golf and stuff, talking about how you grew up and what you like. I like golf, but I bet you could name a lot more golfers than I could. Oh, 100%, and I could name a lot more NASCAR drivers than you could.
Speaker 1:I don't know that I could name any. Just name some Current. Well, I'm just saying even history, or whatever, oh, absolutely, yeah, you're going to absolutely name so here's the thing. You name 10 current guys you've already got more than I would.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just based on that.
Speaker 2:But you could name off golfers. That I don't even know exist.
Speaker 1:See, I could do that with tennis too, though, just because, growing up in that you watch these guys, because you're almost using it as film sessions, stuff that, their footwork and the movement and what you take away from it, but it's just very different. I still don't see, looking at numbers of what they pull on TV. Next to nothing Because, again, tennis is not shown on anything other than Tennis Channel.
Speaker 2:Let me throw out another sport that I'm on the fence still on and I don't know, I don't think you've come around to it yet. Hockey.
Speaker 1:Hockey's growing like crazy in America right now so, again, being an international sport, it helps because hockey is big across the world especially when you start to get like I don't know how big it is, you start to get like winter olympics and where you start doing national teams. There's so much passion behind it because what we're seeing with the, the all-star stuff, america and canada fighting like crazy but it's big in america it's big in canada, it's big in russia, it's big in a lot of the the cold european countries.
Speaker 1:So hockey's big in a lot of places across the world I'm starting to go around a little bit definitely not a it's not gonna, it'll never go ahead of football, basketball, baseball in america either it never will it's growing a lot in america, a lot of people get into it a lot of people are loving it again. I'll watch it when we get to the um well, I mean, I would say, hockey is probably the fourth biggest sport in america, viewership wise, like you put it above golf.
Speaker 2:Oh, 100% Racing and all.
Speaker 1:I think viewership you're going to get more, but it's again. Team sports is a different thing. Team sports is way easier to get behind because you have, you can buy jerseys, the tickets that you go and you're watching. In an arena of some type where golf you go sit on a hole. You in an arena of some type where golf, like, you go sit on a hole, you're only watching that hole and who comes by.
Speaker 2:You're not getting to see everything, so you mentioned the fights that that we just saw recently. Yeah, three fights, three in one minute and and I told you I didn't really have a hate it, but I'm gonna say I hate fighting in hockey. Like it makes no sense to me. It both of you are going to the penalty box afterwards. You didn't really accomplish anything. You're probably buddies after the game, I don't understand.
Speaker 1:So we kind of said it Would you be okay with it if there was like a stipulation of you're going to fight, you win the fight, you stay on the ice, like would that make it make more sense or is it more? Just like I don't get why it fits in it at all.
Speaker 2:It would help, but I don't get why it fits there. I got you Because it's just like taking any of the other sports. So here's my thing Can soccer stop and just start punching each other? Because I feel like hockey is similar to soccer.
Speaker 1:Soccer players fall over at a small wind. I know they are hurt every two seconds. What I? I know they are hurt every two seconds, but I can't, what? I cannot stand about watching any kind of soccer and I'll be honest with you, I don't watch much. But I love the World Cup. I love watching the World Cup. When you start getting country stuff like it. Just there's a lot more.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it just feels different, it's fun it's fun to watch like I've always and women's world cup. I think they're both good to watch. I really do. I don't watch any soccer outside of that. Yeah, could not. I don't have it. I couldn't even tell you teams outside of that, I just don't care. But when you get into, like you said, there's just a grit to it, there's so much to it. But then with hockey my expertise of hockey is the mighty ducks all I got.
Speaker 2:I got the movies from when I was a kid, I guess I started watching.
Speaker 1:I don't I've never been able to get into it. I've, and I've watched some, so it's not like I'm just like oh, it's hockey, I don't care. So we have never get into.
Speaker 2:We had some friends talk about it. We had a business partner that was originally from canada and liked it yeah, big ruins fan and so I kind of started let me check this out, you know, because basketball was over at that time. Sure sure.
Speaker 1:And it kind of falls in a lull between other. It does.
Speaker 2:And I think one of the first games I watched was the Dallas Stars.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And they were kind of exciting to watch, and so I kind of become a Dallas Stars fan. I haven't watched it all. Did you start pre-playoffs or did you start in the playoffs In the?
Speaker 1:playoffs. Okay, so is it maybe that you're more just like I like playoff hockey? Oh, because it's kind of like a lot of people flock back to NBA when the playoffs happen. Yeah, we've talked about that. It's just more exciting.
Speaker 2:There's a little more on the line.
Speaker 1:Like are you watching hockey right now?
Speaker 2:No, I'm going to watch basketball I. I'm going to watch a race.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, so you're a playoff hockey guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at this point and we'll see where it goes from there, but I love the physicality, I love slamming them into the wall and different stuff like that to get the puck. But as far as just taking your gloves off and swinging, that makes no sense to me.
Speaker 1:Let's just get it out. I kind of want to go look it up literally anyone else if you get a chance, like if we can figure out why or when that became a thing, like what's kind of the purpose behind it, because it almost kind of feels like it's one of those, just it's always been there so we just left it, type things yeah.
Speaker 2:And the ones that like it are like oh, this is manly, you know we fight here. Like, but it doesn't mean anything with the game. Like if you're going to play the game, play the game. If you want to fight after the game over something have at it. That's how I feel about baseball games and non-baseball stadiums yeah. I feel the same way, we know you don't like any sport played in a different arena than what it's supposed to be in.
Speaker 1:It just doesn't fit. It doesn't make sense. I get it. The seating is not made for it.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well now TGL, we're playing golf in an arena that is not made for golf.
Speaker 1:We're not playing golf. That's a whole different thing. Like I like it, I think they've started to kind of catch.
Speaker 2:It's gotten a lot better.
Speaker 1:They've kind of started to catch their grip on it and it's getting much, much better. So we've talked about it a bunch and I know there's some of you that are like I don't care, or I don't know anything about it. Tomorrow Golf League. It's a much easier digestible form of golf, like it's two hours. You get one night a week, two hours Like it's done, so it's way easier to watch than a four-day tournament, so I think that's why you've gotten into it more, just pretty quick.
Speaker 1:I've expressed that I don't watch a lot of the other golf because of the series, but it's pretty quick and I'll be honest with you you've watched more TGL than I have and I don't have to keep up with 100 players, Correct. It's three to four per team and most of Lucas Glover and then Billy Horschel, Because each team has one alternate.
Speaker 2:So they had two back-to-back games, the other day For President's Day. And I watched both of those. I haven't got to watch the others yet, but I watched both of those. I thought they were both entertaining, some really good shots. Now I do still think there's some shots some players hit and they're like I don't know about that. You still see the look on their face and they're letting it go because they understand.
Speaker 1:I think that's just part of technology. I think that's again you may say five years from now, those things are going to be so much better than they are even now. Oh they will, because launch monitors that they use, those have been around for 25 years.
Speaker 2:They've been around longer than that.
Speaker 1:It's just they've gotten so much better in the last little bit.
Speaker 2:When you're one of the top golfers in the world, like all these guys are. You know some of the top and you go out there and you hit a shot. That has to bother your ego a little bit when you see it hit and you're like I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't think it bothers their ego. I think because of their ego they're like ah, it's just wrong, like I didn't do that yeah but are the fans watching it going?
Speaker 2:oh, he's not as good, you know, especially fans that don't watch golf. Now seeing him here going he's not as good.
Speaker 1:I don't think as much. On the screen Now, the chips, the stuff into the green, the putting, yes, yes, I do think that to an extent there but that's all artificial stuff.
Speaker 2:I agree that's got to be hard.
Speaker 1:I just think you see it some more there because you're seeing start to finish of it when the screen. You're then getting a projection. You're not getting a true.
Speaker 2:The guys are starting to figure it out because they're making some chip-ins.
Speaker 1:This past week. We've seen a lot more chip-ins, We've seen a lot more sticking-ins, We've seen a lot more stick it right next to the hole. It's been much, much more. Hey, we've got it now.
Speaker 2:Both of those that I watched close matches.
Speaker 1:Atlanta came back from behind to win, which makes it so much better. The close matches are so much better.
Speaker 2:The second one. They lost by one, and I don't remember who it was. It might have been Glover. Somebody had a putt to go to overtime, gotcha and, and missed it. Uh, which glover. It's first time I've seen him on there.
Speaker 1:He's, he's funny and has some personality and so but that's again, if you are into golf, which I've known lucas about lucas glover for years now I've. I kind of like lucas glover because he's got a little more personality, it's a little more animated, a little more fun, I.
Speaker 2:But most people don't know who they don't and you know, something like this might be good for somebody like him oh, oh 100%. But I was, you know, saying I like Atlanta, I like Atlanta, but I hadn't seen Glover yet and I was afraid like, oh man, am I not going to like?
Speaker 1:him Right, Some new guy, I don't know what he's going to do. And then he came in and I was like, oh, this is good, that's probably to me. Thomas just really pulls it together. Oh, he does.
Speaker 2:He could make any team more exciting, you know, and they changed the hammer rules. They did. Each team gets three.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I've ever seen any type of sport or event or any type whatever. You want to consider this? Change a rule midseason.
Speaker 2:I don't like that part, but it made it way better Like they needed it.
Speaker 1:So I don't like changing rules just randomly like in the middle, but it's kind of something. I feel like I've heard everybody say it's the first season of something make some adjustments I'm okay with it I get it now two years in, three years in.
Speaker 2:Don't do it in the middle season, wait till after no, you, you say, all right, we've recognized.
Speaker 1:This is kind of questionable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're not gonna change it now, we'll change it in between I wonder how much it would affect the previous matches and if it, but again, you're kind of, you could maybe say, but I think this is one of those that like if it really does ever become big, it's almost just like well.
Speaker 1:Winner of this is an asterisk, because it was kind of we're trying some things.
Speaker 2:We're trying some stuff. I'm sure they'll make changes.
Speaker 1:And here's the thing, because they make their own holes, they create their own stuff. I've thought about this, the one thing that could be exciting. I don't know we ever see the same holes year by year. I think we could see different courses every year, because why not, why not? They make their own, like you may like bring like a throwback to hey, remember this, from year one we brought this one back, like that'd be kind of cool, so, but you could always kind of keep it fresh what I thought was kind of weird.
Speaker 2:I said elana played two matches back to back right and the same hole was in both matches and I I thought it kind of gave Atlanta a little bit of an advantage because they just saw the hole. Now they've all seen them, some they practice on them and everything, but they literally just played it in competition.
Speaker 1:Did you see practice Tommy Fleetwood? Hole-in-one on a par four? Yes, off the rock and just perfect.
Speaker 2:Put it right in On a par four. That's impressive. Even in the competition, that's impressive like part, I mean part four.
Speaker 1:I mean we're talking, this is 300 and some odd yards away, like we've talked about this with top tracer at our range.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are the only. We have top tracer. It's like top golf you can play yes, and everything does it count it's not.
Speaker 1:Oh no, absolutely not. So I mean no, no, no, it's still cool to see. It's cool because, like, it's still really hard, but I've got multiple hole-in-ones on holes at the range. Yeah, I don't have any in real life so in real life I say I got zero, you got zero.
Speaker 1:Simulator golf does not count as all in once. Well, um, you would have to really have some kind of argument to be able to change my mind on that, because that it just doesn't make sense I really do feel like it's starting to feel like, uh, buddy's just hanging out having fun and it's starting to come across tv that way yeah
Speaker 2:you're starting to laugh about it, have fun. They're doing some hot mic stuff where they show some segments of different things you might have missed throughout the tournament. You know, yeah, some things guy said. The one I'm still not sold on yet is Marty Marty Smith Going around talking to people. I'm not 100% sold on that yet.
Speaker 1:Listen, I've got a fix for that. What you? You don't go do it. No, not me. I don't think I'd have fun with it, but I don't. I'm not known. What's the fix, charles Barkley?
Speaker 2:Oh, that'd be a blast. I don't know, that might be a little too much.
Speaker 1:No to me honestly like. Put him in the booth, Put him up in the booth.
Speaker 3:The guy in the booth is getting better. I still think it needs to be. I don't know who he is. I think you need two men.
Speaker 1:I think you need two people in there.
Speaker 2:And again, it don't have to be two men, but it needs to. He's not saying a lot while the players are getting ready because obviously it's clear the players can hear him all the time.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's necessary, though that should be something we should be able to flip back and forth, Because here's the thing, If you do like in every other sport, they'll do interviews from who knows where to a guy on the field and they just kind of patch in at that time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, why do we need to always? But I think they're all hearing each other and every like everything you're hearing on tv. I think they're all getting in their ear the entire time yeah, because you hear everybody get really quiet.
Speaker 1:Necessary, you know, to an extent like there there's plenty you could, because here's the thing, the booth is far enough away too, and you're in an environment where sounds are not the big issue, like if you got talking in the background.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, well, they brought in like this is a different. Wyndham Clark was going to play Atlanta the second match, and so he come in on the booth with them and was talking and he kind of talked some trash and JT could hear it, so they kind of had a little banter.
Speaker 1:So I'd be okay with that is like the guy that's not playing. If the fourth is there, put him up in the booth. Put the other two fourths, but do that more often.
Speaker 2:This is the first time we've really seen it, so this was because they played back-to-back. He was getting ready to play. That's right, so that's why he was there.
Speaker 1:So I think we did see an argument there at the beginning. Well, these guys are so worried about TGL, what are they going to do when it comes? These guys are playing just as good. I mean, ludwig just won what week or two ago? He's been in almost every match. I mean they're not missing a beat, they're just going out there and just still, maybe it's helping, it could be.
Speaker 2:Maybe you think it's uh, relaxing, take your mind off.
Speaker 1:I'd say it could be because it's for them. It's not real golf, like it's competition, the fact of like we're I'm competing with my buddies, but it's in a much different setting. Like you said, you can obviously tell they're having more fun. It's just more like laid back, relaxed.
Speaker 2:You know I was worried and again they are just relaxed. But I was worried they wouldn't care.
Speaker 1:Oh, they're starting to care, like they want to beat their buddies you know, it's like like if me and you were on there doing it, we still want to beat each other. No, exactly, no exactly. I still don't want to lose so I'm going to still play.
Speaker 2:But, that's what I want it to be. I don't want it to be like PGA Tour. I want you to have fun. No, I agree, I agree. So Justin Thomas, I don't know, had a bet to chip something in or something, and he's like closest to the pin for 10, and if we hold it it's 100 and and so they threw somebody, threw a hammer down and they declined it and the guys were like the guy in the booth's, like jt, you still gotta hit that. We gotta see if you get your yeah, you got that.
Speaker 1:And he's like oh yeah, I gotta hit this.
Speaker 2:He's like can I, can I hit this and the guy's like I'm telling you can't go ahead, yeah, why not? But stuff like that make it more fun.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, because here's the thing those guys bet thousands upon thousands of dollars when they're playing each other. Who was it recently was saying I think it was JT. He said Daniel Berger, which is not a name most people know, but there's a few courses that every single year he's going to be top of the leaderboard because he just shines at those and he's a solid, solid golfer. He just a few times hadn't really put it all there. He said that man has more of my money than anybody I know. I mean even like him and Spieth are best friends, ricky, like they all play together. But he said Berger has more, he has beat me more and has my money more than anybody else. So they're betting nonstop.
Speaker 2:So like I always see that fun little stuff, keep doing it. Now I was curious. He said 10 for closest 100, if you get it in. Yeah, I played it off like it was 10 bucks 100 bucks.
Speaker 1:I'm like I don't know about that, who knows? I mean it probably was because, like they probably look bad to be like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 10 grand or 100 grand, like when he first said it, I thought he ran, and then the guy who was he? Betting. I don't even remember who was somebody. They were both in the bunker next to each other.
Speaker 1:I think, Because I'm just wondering, like if him and Tiger are messing around doing that, yeah, they can both throw that money and it's nothing. I don't remember which guy it was. There's some of those guys like, yeah, they got it, but not to just lose it on a bet, Like that's a little different. Yeah, oh, for me, If we say $10 or $100, we're talking $0.10 or $0.100. We're not talking dollars at that point.
Speaker 2:We're talking a dime or a dollar. I guarantee it. We do it all the time.
Speaker 1:When we go play golf, get to a par 3, close to the pin it's a dollar. We've done that for average because it's a fun little silly thing we can do. I'll be honest with you. There's plenty of times nobody wins because none of us hit it on the green. Yeah, you've got to hit it on the green.
Speaker 1:We've done that plenty, or somebody will win, and it's like just barely on and we're all up there arguing no, it's on the fringe, it's not actually on, but again, it's just something stupid to make it a little more fun.
Speaker 2:Because whoever hits last, you get up there and you go dang nobody hit the green. All I've got to do is put this. And then I hadn't watched the match yet, but I saw the clip and we talked about it where Tiger's teammates say oh, it's 99, and he hits a 100-yard shot and it was 199.
Speaker 1:No, here's the thing he didn't hit a 100-yard shot, he hit a 99-yard shot. They said hit at 99. He said all right, and he wasn't looking at it. Because that's the thing in golf If you've never really watched high level golf, they kind of assume you know the first number, like if you're really far away and it's ultimately 250, if they say 50, they kind of expect you to know.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're talking two in the front, especially in the hundreds. I could see if you're 250, okay. Are they saying 150, 250? Like what are they saying?
Speaker 1:I could see that a little bit because it's still far away, these guys as much as they do, especially on a course Not talking about the screen, but on a course. Even I can look at it and say that's more than two.
Speaker 2:But I feel like, even looking at that huge screen, tiger should have looked at it and said that's not 99 yards.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing that I say that Tiger should have really known If it was 99 yards, you hit from the front tee box, you don't hit from the back. I didn't know that Inside of 130, you go up front. I didn't know when you went up front, so I'm like all right, well, automatically, if you're hitting from the back one, you should know it can't be 99. It's got to be at least 199.
Speaker 2:It's, I saw. He's like. You see 99, though, yeah, 99. He goes up there and you hear him in the side going what's the guy? He's got a wedge, what is he doing? Yeah, and he hits it and they just start rolling on the ground.
Speaker 1:Nobody thought to stop him either, like nobody was. Like it's tiger.
Speaker 2:Are you gonna stop tiger?
Speaker 1:I mean these guys. These guys are a lot closer to him now than what he used to be when he was in his prime, like he was kind of lone wolf style but he's kind of really brought a lot of those because a lot of these, especially the younger guys, they'll win a tournament is like tiger takes me and like you can see the excitement because it was like I finally got recognized isn't that what tiger is supposed to do for this 100?
Speaker 1:I think he's doing a great job yeah, I think he's really helping grow the little guys, because there's uh akshay batia I don't even know if you ever heard that.
Speaker 2:I do not know, not know who that is Upandcomer.
Speaker 1:Actually he just got signed with Good, good for apparel, so he's, you know, with the YouTube guys doing some of that stuff. So he said I was on the putting green next to Tiger. He said I couldn't putt. He said I was shaking.
Speaker 1:He's like this is my idol. Like if you were into golf, that's who you aspire to be. Like it's just the way it is. And he's like he did something and tiger like cracked a joke at him. And he's like I'm good, I can die like I'm happy like it was just one of those, like he, it was just. It was something so subtle, but he was like tiger.
Speaker 1:Woods saw me yeah, and acknowledged that I was here, and then, especially, I remember colinikawa, who a much bigger name nowadays. He's tailor-made sign, just like Tiger, the first time he won a major. He's like the first text I got was Tiger and he was like that was so cool. It was just something like he cared enough to reach out to me. Just be like, hey man, proud of you, Good job, you know something simple, it's like and he doesn't have to do that.
Speaker 2:Heck, no, it's.
Speaker 1:Tiger Woods. He doesn't have to do anything, like he really doesn't have to do anything, but I think he is really being a good ambassador to the younger group.
Speaker 2:He could just ride off into the sunset Because a lot of sports that is not what happens.
Speaker 1:The old guys are very much like these young guys. Aren't taking my job.
Speaker 2:We talked about MJ, MJ. I don't know that MJ does that as much, even in the NBA. Now that's a little further removed, but he could do it. But here's the thing we've talked about. He's a NASCAR help.
Speaker 1:And we've talked about Kobe when he was still alive. Those were killers, man, those mentally like you don't think Tiger had that mindset?
Speaker 1:In his prime. Yes, we're way beyond prime, even like Jordan late. You didn't see that Because Jordan was like no, I'm me. Like no, I don't care how old I am, you will not beat me, period. Like I talked about this with Brad and he was saying, literally Jordan could make up a lie in his head If you're playing Jordan and you're anywhere remotely on that and he's like David's saying that I can't score on him with my left hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're like I've never spoke a word about the man. He's going to keep that lie in his head and he's going to then go score on you with his left hand and then be like I told you I could do it and you're like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:He just found something to turn him on Like the same thing.
Speaker 1:Lebron doesn't have that. He doesn't have that mentality. Jordan is just. He did not care to embarrass you, your mama, your daddy, your grandma. He didn't care. Like it was about, I'm going to go win period.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think Tiger was probably somewhat like that, but I don't know that he had to be Golf's different.
Speaker 1:It's just different. You don't have to have the same mentality. Now again, tiger, if he doesn't have the mentality and the mental fortitude that he has, he wouldn't be where he's at. Like, you have to be something. But I don't think it's the same as some of the other sports.
Speaker 2:You know, obviously we don't promote really much of anything on here, but I would encourage, if people don't know golf, or go watch tgo, because it's different, it's not like watching golf and I am going to follow these guys more, especially atlanta, since I become a team well, you're starting to get attachment to them there's some personality you're getting attached to, so it's like I want to go see him do well somewhere else and a lot of these guys like take Tommy Fleetwood. I knew Tommy Fleetwood, I see him on the golf course.
Speaker 1:Right, this is a different.
Speaker 2:Tommy Fleetwood. You didn't know really anything about him, no, and now you're starting to see these guys, oh, here's the thing. I can tell you all kinds of things about Tommy. Yeah, saw him, didn't know much about him. He's got some personality, he does um, but you don't see that other have you got to watch tom kim much yet? Uh on tiger's team one. Yes, you'll fall in love with him too he's just another one, he's calling was great.
Speaker 1:More cow has way more than people realized. Yeah, because so when I first started watching more cow on tour and I'm like man, this guy's good but he's just he's cold, like he didn't really have anything and then team taylor made started posting some youtube stuff and you got to see kind of him just goofing off with the guys. It's like, oh okay, so he is.
Speaker 2:No, he's not a robot like you kind of get some. I thought it was funny. Attachment to him one of the matches he was on and, um, it's before they changed the hammer rule and they got the hammer in there. Hey, what's your strategy? The hammer wouldn't even and he the what's the guy's name, maddie or whatever, in the um, up at the booth or whatever. Yeah, and he's like, don't worry about it, maddie, I'm the brains of this operation here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just a little, something small but just throwing. Say like if golf is not your thing, that's quite all right. Golf is not a lot of people's thing. But what we've seen like like out it for you golf, when you come out there and you try it and you get, just have fun and goof off and it's not this serious like I gotta know how to play it. It takes all that out of it, just makes it so much.
Speaker 2:What's the phrase? It's not your grandpa's golf, or I don't know what do people say? You're not your daddy's golf, whatever. Yeah, with the technology and stuff, it's different.
Speaker 1:You can still go play that golf. Golf is great. You talk about golf like you think it's very stuffy, it's country club, it's rich, it's this. That's what's so great about. Like it's changed so much Cause like when I was a kid, that's what I thought of golf.
Speaker 2:I thought it was rich man snobby like never played in our late twenties.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I started at 27. Yeah. Like that's crazy to think about.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Like really not been in it that long.
Speaker 2:I again. They still got to fix it, but TGL might be the best thing PGA Tour has done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, especially like they are proud to be, like, hey, we're part of this, it's not just something they're doing.
Speaker 2:We own part of this Because even before this we took shots at them Like how are they going to get younger viewers? They're stuck in their ways.
Speaker 1:I think it'll make it more exciting to get some of the live guys involved, get some of that rivalry on top of it, because these guys are still buddies. They still play golf together. Yeah, like some of these guys still live next to each other.
Speaker 2:They. They tried to make it like we all hate each other. It's still.
Speaker 1:They're all still golfers there was some animosity at the beginning. I I definitely think so. Some of them jumped ship when?
Speaker 2:yes, maybe they shouldn't have yet.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, but now it's not quite the same. Like even somebody like rory, who was very openly against it, has now more like you know, we need reunification, we need you know, yeah, he sees, and he even said he's like, looking at what I made my career before live and post live, he's like I'm only making the money I'm making now because of them. He's like he's recognizing it was it wasn't so bad as everybody said it was. Yeah, it just looked bad, absolutely, absolutely. Well, listen, that was we're. We're we covered about every sport tonight. We talked soccer at one point, which we've not done. We did soccer and hockey.
Speaker 3:We got some football and basketball and only thing we didn't do is baseball.
Speaker 1:Baseball's coming up.
Speaker 2:We'll, we'll definitely get into baseball, more especially as we get into march opening day some of that stuff, this music, because we got some come uh, I want to say rock music. It's like older rock music playing now oh, yeah, uh but. But I want to bring this up because we talked about it the post malone with nirvana on uh saturday night live yeah yeah and I didn't realize that you were talking about how Post Malone can sing anything. He's so freaking talented. When I saw that with him in Nirvana I thought that is good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've seen him do a little bit of everything and now seeing him do Nirvana and doing it well, not just doing it doing it.
Speaker 2:well, he's not somebody I would think I would like doing anything.
Speaker 1:No, but I like a lot of his stuff. I really do, I really do, I really do. He's just super, super talented.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I just hey, if you haven't seen that, check that out, and I do want to. I'll throw one thing in here. Brian did agree with me on the Slim Jim issue, by the way, so you can say you don't have no issues with Slim Jims, but it's a real thing.
Speaker 1:I've never had an issue.
Speaker 2:Well, I know, Just because listen. Just because two people are incompetent doesn't mean it's across the board, Brian said I think he texted me or messaged me something and he said he got a Slim Jim while he was working and he had to literally take his box cutter to get it open because it wouldn't get him open. Because when you rip it apart, like half of it rips and half of it don't. It's a real thing.
Speaker 2:I literally grab it grab it, tear it and eat it. So, period, I just want everybody to know don't let tyler make you feel lesser of a man because you can't open a slim. Okay, it is a real.
Speaker 1:I can't help that you're inadequate when it comes to opening a slim, jim. Like I said, just because two people are incompetent doesn't mean it's difficult just means you're incompetent.
Speaker 2:It just means you don't eat many slim jims to run into the problem ones. That's what it means because it's.
Speaker 1:I mean, I've had a lot over my life, but I can't think of like I've had to use something else to open it it's a thing, some what's weird is some of them I'll open and like the top will rip and it won't open.
Speaker 2:And I flip it upside down, it opens, fine. It's like I don't know. It's weird. Anyhow, it's been a long on that note I'm hungry that breaking news. I'm just saying it is a thing on that, I was so quick to, or you were so quick to be like I ain't never had a problem. Well, I haven't.
Speaker 1:It's a thing I still haven't. It's a thing. Well, on that, appreciate you guys being with us. We've had a lot of fun tonight. I hope you guys are enjoying it and we will see you next week. Thank you for listening you.