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Straw Dilemmas, Game Plans, and Film Flashbacks
Did you ever struggle with the irrational choice between paper and plastic straws, only to find out there's a bigger issue at hand? We start our episode with light-hearted tales of straw mishaps, sparked by an unexpected executive order, and unfold a lively debate on whether fast-food chains' green gestures are meaningful or just a way to soothe our eco-conscious minds. We don't shy away from challenging the impact of individual responsibility when larger environmental issues loom, all while keeping the tone both humorous and engaging.
Shift gears with us as we tackle the NFL's swirling coaching carousel and ponder the implications of Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley finding new dynamics amidst constant change. College sports enthusiasts will appreciate our deep dive into Deion Sanders' coaching saga and the SEC's unpredictable basketball standings. From reminiscing over southern football rivalries to analyzing the seismic shifts in NCAA coaching brought on by NIL agreements, we keep you in the loop and entertained with our hot takes and thoughtful insights.
Prepare for a nostalgic trip down memory lane as we share favorite sports movie moments, grumble about the peculiarities of Slim Jim packaging, and marvel at the evolution of the NBA's scoring trends. Our banter doesn't stop there—we wrap up with amusing anecdotes about local legends like "Truck Guy" and the quirks of college basketball fan traditions. This episode is packed with sports talk, humor, and a touch of nostalgia that keeps you engrossed from start to finish.
Welcome back to the non-news podcast. Back here with Tyler and David once again. Hello, everyone. Started off, I think I'm on a roll. Just want to let you know we are proudly sponsored by 4U Golf in Brevard, North Carolina. Please come check out everything they have to offer. Only Top Tracer range in all of Western North Carolina. So really cool stuff going on there, A bunch of events planned for this this upcoming season and all kinds of really cool stuff. So please check them out. Check out the website, um for you golf eight to eightcom, and if you have any questions on that, you know we'd love to talk to you about that too. That's right, Good job getting that in there. I know I'm on a roll right now. I think it's like two or three weeks in a row, so I'm I'm proud of myself it's just gonna eventually be ingrained in your uh opening monologue I think eventually and I'll I'll get it a little bit better.
Speaker 1:It's still a little bit like I don't know how I want to say it, but I'm getting closer. That's okay. I'm getting closer, at least you're saying it. I am saying it. That's the the biggest thing, because I get yelled at too many times when I forget it and it'd be like right at the end I'm like I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:You know exactly what I'm talking about, but you were talking a second ago. It has been a really good week and we were saying for something very minor to a lot of people it's not minor. To me it is not to me either, and so President Trump decided to sign an executive order to get rid of paper straws.
Speaker 1:So we're going back to plastic, plastic. So I've heard the one side where they're. You know you've got to save the planet, the plastic waste and all this. I get that. Until you change the water companies using as much plastic as they do, the straws aren't effective.
Speaker 2:Well, that was my thought too. You go in any store, anywhere you go, there's plastic bottles and drinks and all these different cartons and containers everything's made of plastic.
Speaker 1:But we're gonna start with plastics in it.
Speaker 2:We're gonna start with these little straws, like that was gonna save the earth and if you've never used a paper straw correct I.
Speaker 1:I hope you never have to now, but you shouldn't have to at this point I mean trump, trump's fixing that for the most part, because I, I mean especially I remember it vividly in a town just next door to us, going to ashville yep, the paper straws everywhere, yep, you know. Or when we go to the beach, every time we go on vacation, I feel like I really remember it being being paper straws there and I'm like those after two drinks like your, your mouth sticking to your straw and it just tastes like you've been chewing on I can't stand the feel of paper in my mouth.
Speaker 1:But then you're telling me I have to drink from paper.
Speaker 2:Like I can't, I can't do it paper and liquid doesn't seem like it goes together it doesn't.
Speaker 1:I mean, have you like, like a sheet of notebook paper? Have you ever gotten water on it? Look what happens to it so I wonder whose idea?
Speaker 2:said you know what? I don't like those straws there. That's bad for environment. A paper, that's where that paper like. There's so many other things we could use than paper sorry, I'm a little too far left here.
Speaker 1:That's kind of where those straws came from. I had to readjust. The only place those straws came from was left side of that aisle. They, they were the same reason. That it's we gotta do the electric cars. We have to worry about climate change like yes don't get me started on climate change. Take care of your planet, but those things are not. Not the Like. Take care of your local people. Like for me, take care of people before I take care of everything else and all that will go together Like I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2:We talked about this too. I recently well, somewhat recently went to McDonald's drive-thru and I thought I'm going to grab an Oreo McFlurry I don't get them very often and they handed me a Chinese food box or something and I was like what is this?
Speaker 2:And so they changed what they put them in. They used to be in the cups and now they're in this little like cardboard carton. It looks like what you get Chinese takeout in, and I read on the window or somewhere that that's why they're doing it to help cut back on plastic, I guess, and save the environment.
Speaker 1:They do realize that all of their large cups are plastic, so all the coffee they sell is plastic.
Speaker 2:They sell tons of drinks and thought let's start with the ice cream container. That's where we're going to make the biggest difference.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the smallest difference.
Speaker 3:I mean their ice cream machine is always broken.
Speaker 1:So you're not getting ice cream much.
Speaker 2:So you're not saving much no.
Speaker 1:Like of all the things, it's like, yeah, the thing that we do the least of, let's start there, like what, what sense does?
Speaker 2:that make. Is that what people do, to say, hey, we're saving the planet and they're really just, I mean potentially.
Speaker 1:But everybody does something small and they're like look at us, look at us. And it's like, well, let's really look at it, you're not doing anything yeah, like that, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:We all need to do our part and every little bit, but that helps, like when I hear people say that, though it almost just like, annoys me at this point.
Speaker 1:So, like, I'll do your part. What does that mean, like to some people? Do your part is we got to be, you know, all electric, we gotta be this.
Speaker 2:Okay, that doesn't work no, that's not our part in our country.
Speaker 1:That doesn't work. Say what, that's not our part In our country. That doesn't work. Say what you want the electric cars, whatever. It doesn't work. When you have to travel interstate systems and you're going 10, 15-hour trips, You've got to stop for an hour or more to charge it. That's another stop.
Speaker 2:For me, there's a new show out and I can't think of what it's called. I haven't watched the show. I've seen a couple of clips on social media or somewhere. It came up and it's about an oil company, I don't know if you've seen it or not.
Speaker 1:No I haven't man.
Speaker 2:it's a really known actor. I can't think of who it is. Anyways, it's an oil company and the lady's kind of like well, I'm not for drilling in the ground. And his basic comment was our great-grandparents built this country running on oil and until we find something different, this is what we got to do, you got to do it. And he's like if we went electric we couldn't make it. We don't have the infrastructure.
Speaker 1:We don't have the charging stuff, we don't have nothing, we would be done. Think about our small little town. I can think of one charging station there at the college. There's those two little ones right there at the entrance of the college. That's it. That's it, yeah, other than like people privately at their homes. So you know, all of a sudden you get an influx of 10,000 cars in our county. It can't handle it.
Speaker 2:But that's just cars. There's so much other things in making the batteries and making the cars and making the roads.
Speaker 1:Like you can't just say let's go electric cars and we're going to fix it. Well, but it's the same. It's the same thing that everybody went through this fad of you know, uh, wind power and they're doing all these giant turbines, the amount of material it takes to make it, yeah, and then it's impossible to dispose of. Like I understand you're trying to solve, you know, go to the next thing. But when you see it's not working, stop trying to push it, like, say that's, when you just say look, yeah, it didn't work, we're going to go on the next thing, do something cool like I'm fine with. I'm not saying don't try other things. Like to me.
Speaker 1:Like I think, legitimately, the smartest way forward is going to be on that hybrid side, that to me makes sense, because it's like, all right, driving around town I'm all electric, but my car is charging itself and then if that battery dies or I go above certain speed and it needs the help, I switch to gas. Well, I think that's going to be with everything.
Speaker 2:You know that we're trying to go more green than everybody calls it. Everything needs to be hybrid. There's some things you you know electric probably has its place in certain areas, maybe wind turbines and all that has its place in areas but you're not going to be able to get rid of no, so I don't see wind making sense anywhere, because because the these I'm thinking more off grid, I guess I know, but these giant windmills, I mean I don't think people really understand how big they are like one of the blades is an oversized load going down the interstate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one, yeah, and most of them have a minimum of three. And then to dispose of them, you can't bury them, you can't burn them, you can't, so you have to cut them and then they just lie around so you can't dispose of them. And that's not even counting all the materials that goes to to build them. Yeah, so you know, try not to get on that whole soapbox of like stop just feeding us crap that doesn't work. Like. I'm all for trying things, but once it doesn't work, stop trying like it.
Speaker 2:Just, we can't keep doing and the price to do those things are astronaut in other words, leave my straws alone and give me the cups back at mcdonald's for my mcflurry and just give me good old gasoline, I'm good with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm fine with it. It's quick, it's easy, drill here, create jobs what's the term drill, baby drill? Drill, baby drill. I hadn't heard that in a while. So, yeah, I mean, obviously that's. That's something that trump signed here recently. It's hard to keep up with everything he's signing. The man has been busy. He's on it. He's been very busy.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm just curious, though, though, we'll take the straws. For instance, when he signs an executive order who enforces that the restaurant down the road here is using plastic straws and not paper straws.
Speaker 1:So for a lot of the people, I feel like they were doing it, because it was like we feel like we have to, but as soon as it's like that, it's like all right. We don't feel like we have to, but as soon as it's like that, it's like all right. We don't feel like we have to anymore.
Speaker 3:So I don't I don't really know where the enforcement.
Speaker 1:Like a lot of these executive orders, because these are not laws. Obviously he can't. He can't write a law into existence like that. Has to go through a much bigger process and that's good. I mean, a president should not be allowed to just write laws and no president because that that would get out of control very quickly.
Speaker 1:Yep, and then for you know all your local people to have to keep up with new laws constant, like it changes. Enough as it is, they don't need to have to deal with that. So again, I don't. I don't know where that really goes. I mean, you always talk about, well, the president can sign these orders. Okay, now what? Like it's just, it's, it's a hard thing. I, it's the same thing. I'm interested to read the declassification of some of the JFK MLK. There's one other that was on that I keep forgetting, but he signed that and it's like a 45-day wait period and then it's like, okay, well, when we get it, it's still going to have some classified stuff.
Speaker 1:So we're not going to get a fully declassified.
Speaker 2:It just doesn't work that way. Somebody's probably in the back just writing up a story that will fit everybody.
Speaker 1:And maybe and it'll hold people over for another what 10 years Kind of like the original did, and then now it's like all right now, what?
Speaker 2:If somebody just wrote up a story that had some of the pieces that the conspiracy theorists wanted it to have, but don't go to their extent, they'll be like, oh okay, yeah, we knew it had some of that, and then netflix.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're writing everything they are just netflix is gonna, they'll have a show on it. That's, that's the way it's gonna work. Netflix is gonna carry it away well, I mean half the, so don't go wrong. There are some netflix, especially on the movie side. I don't watch much of their shows, the movie side. There's some of them pretty good and there's others that I'm like we are scraping bottom of the barrel for some actors here Speaking of movies.
Speaker 2:we talked about Blockbuster last week.
Speaker 1:I actually asked my daughter about it today.
Speaker 2:She didn't know what Blockbuster was. I guess she's heard us talk about it in the past. Okay, I was surprised.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm trying to think. I can obviously remember where the Blockbuster was here local, but like could you start getting any of our little surrounding towns?
Speaker 2:I couldn't tell you where one was because you only go to your local one.
Speaker 1:Usually like obviously. I mean we lived in. We lived in Shelby for a while and I know exactly where that one was, but it was like two doors down from the local like family owned uh video place. So it was very weird to have it so, so close.
Speaker 2:It was Two Doors Down, not Three Doors Down.
Speaker 1:No, not Three Doors Down.
Speaker 2:No, no, that band must have been named from something else. I thought maybe it was named from Blockbuster being, you know.
Speaker 1:Two Doors Down. I'm sure there's a story on the band name, but I've never actually looked at it.
Speaker 3:I don't either.
Speaker 1:As much as I've listened to that about where the name came, which I don't typically there's a lot of bands that way yeah, well, we were literally just looking at it and you're like oh, forgot about the foo fighters. So you're like oh, let me go look it up. And we looked at it for 10 minutes.
Speaker 2:It was like it wasn't as exciting as I thought it was gonna. Be no, you wanted to have a really good backstory. It's kind of just like yeah, okay, yeah maybe it means a lot to them.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe that's part of it, but like to us.
Speaker 2:It was just kind of a we'll just leave it hanging here there. If you want to know what food fighters, if you want to know, go look, it was still confusing, it still wasn't.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Wasn't anything that I felt like I just needed to let everyone know, I thought the band was fighting food and I wanted to know what food was.
Speaker 1:And then it turned out that's not the case at all. It's not exactly how that was.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. But anyways, so Well if Past Sunday.
Speaker 1:I was saying, in case you've been living under a rock, we had a really big football game we did. That just happened, and it was a big game. It was not a good game.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a good game at all. It was a very different thing.
Speaker 1:As much crap as I feel like, especially myself talked saying there's no way the Chiefs lose.
Speaker 2:When you play that bad, it don't matter who you're playing, you're losing because they looked awful so you got a lot of people saying, see, look, we told you the refs don't help them, you can't help that much. Um, and then I got people saying, well, this is what happens when the refs don't help them. So I don't know, it's probably something again.
Speaker 1:I mean I watched portions of the game. I'm not invested in either team, so I didn't just sit down and just watch every second, but a lot of the stuff I saw I'm like, look, they're missing a few calls here and there, which is natural, it's expected, but I thought they did both ways from what I saw, but I didn't feel like it was that bad. That may be the worst game I've seen Patrick Mahomes play.
Speaker 2:They're like oh yeah, what contributes to that he?
Speaker 1:had three touchdowns and they were all at a point that didn't make any difference. His first one came. It was like 37 or nothing, so cool, congrats. Your next one, it was 40-something to 12. And then his final one was after they'd already poured Gatorade on the coach.
Speaker 2:It's like all right, that doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1:The Eagles front line line, front defensive line, really got after him they absolutely destroyed kansas city's front, and they didn't need a lot of blitzing to do it no, just those big boys up front absolutely tore through the line all night long. It felt like if mahomes wasn't getting hit, he was at least pressured, having to run for his life, having to, you know, take off, and it didn't look very so. It's really funny. It's start of the start of the game. If anybody's watching the first time we've seen it taylor swift gets brought up and the place erupts in booze.
Speaker 2:I know and because they equate her with kansas city. I was like nobody wanted kansas city. I was like if we're.
Speaker 1:If we're to the point that we're booing taylor swift, you know, other than the hardcore swifties. If we're booing taylor swift, we're starting the point that we're booing Taylor Swift other than the hardcore Swifties. If we're booing Taylor Swift, we're starting to make a turn, because that's not happened yet, at least we've not heard it. It's not been that audible and you could see she felt very weird Because she's like why am I getting that kind of heat?
Speaker 1:Well there's not a bunch of 14-year-old girls at the Super Bowl. Then, after it's been a couple days Afterwards, travis Kelsey's like. I felt so helpless I couldn't help her. I'm like why are you focused on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're playing the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:You're getting ready to do something that you know, talking about a three-peat of a Super Bowl. That when was?
Speaker 2:the last time that was done. I don't feel sorry for anybody when you're famous like that. The boos, the up and down like take it.
Speaker 1:I mean, come on, it's just part.
Speaker 2:Well, because here's the thing I felt hopeless like come on.
Speaker 1:There's nothing that taylor swift does that I like. Like her music, that's just not my style.
Speaker 2:I liked some of the country stuff a long time ago, but she's nowhere near that anymore.
Speaker 1:That's just not my style of music. But again, I do recognize she's obviously done very big things in her career. Congrats for her. But eventually there's gonna be people that don't like you, and it's okay, yeah, like, don't get your feelings hurt, just move on.
Speaker 2:I didn't know travis kelsey, that's kind of on his podcast.
Speaker 1:So him and his brother on the podcast. It was like I just felt helpless. It's like if you're thinking about that, you're no help to me I mean, as far as the game goes, she's extremely famous.
Speaker 2:Like she comes to the, she has 10 times more money than you do travis it okay. Yeah, what do you mean? She'll help us right like she's getting publicity.
Speaker 1:Leave it alone.
Speaker 2:You've become more famous because of her we would not have talked about her tonight if she hadn't got booed.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, no I thought it was hilarious, especially her facial expressions. I think it's the first time she's probably ever been truly booed like majority booze. Yeah majority and it's like she didn't know what to do with it. To me, it's just like wave your hand and be like I get it. Yeah, like I know I'm getting it and it's okay. Just roll with it, and she did not, not one bit Talking about her.
Speaker 2:I didn't see all of it. I saw pieces of the halftime show.
Speaker 1:I didn't watch any of it. Here's the thing it had nothing to do with this halftime show. I don't think I ever watched the halftime show.
Speaker 2:They're not any good anymore.
Speaker 1:Um, they just it. That doesn't do anything for me. I don't really care for. I'm not a huge person of like live performances, anyways, maybe in person, but not watching one on TV.
Speaker 2:Well, well, I thought the sound is. Usually, I'm gonna say it wasn't good. He didn't sound good. Um, just, the overall production felt weird and I told you this beforehand. I think it's weird that nfl, or whoever is over it, let him use the halftime show to take shots at drake, like. I don't feel like that's the time to do that listen.
Speaker 1:It makes them both relevant to have a feud in that world. To me it means nothing. I could care less. I don't care either people that are invested in. That make no sense to me. Like I understand, like obviously you know how brad is. Brad loves, you know, some controversy. He loves to see some of that stuff, but that's not even something that he's like super invested in. But there's so many people that like live on. Oh, did you see what they said about each other? No, I didn't.
Speaker 2:I don't care if I get the halftime of the super bowl. As an artist, I'm using that for me. I'm not bringing nobody else into it. I'm not talking about anybody else.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go out and perform and put on a show for me I like when some of these big big groups or whatever, they bring in somebody else and it's just like this cool, like one-off, you've never seen before, and they, they mesh into a song oh yeah, I'm all for that, but I'm talking about as far as feuding.
Speaker 2:I'm not bringing in an outside feud and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:If me and you hate each other and they call me and say, hey, we want you to the halftime show. The last thing I'm thinking about to you. Oh, I know like I don't give a crap what you're doing, because you have to sit there and watch me on tv I've already won.
Speaker 1:I'm on the super bowl I've won. Yeah, like it's cool, yeah, like I'll go do my thing to the best that I can. And you have to know, man, they didn't call me. Yep, like, there you go, fuse over, that's it. That's me like it's it's done.
Speaker 2:Well, you see how quickly we went from the game to taylor, swift to that time show.
Speaker 1:That tells what kind of game it was yeah, so I remember I didn't even get to watch the beginning of it and I was with somebody. I was with Brad and he's like he goes already up seven to nothing. I was like that's quick. And then from there it was like never. It never got back close, Like it was close when they, when they flipped the coin and from coin flip on it was it was a wrap. So it was not.
Speaker 1:It was definitely not a good super bowl like that's one game like you want to be, even you still want to be a good game, and that wasn't a good, just like final game. Now, don't be wrong, I not definitely not an eagles fan, being a cowboys fan, but I'd much rather eagles win than the chiefs yeah, it's everybody tuned in to either see the chiefs win or the chiefs get destroyed right, exactly and exactly, and I think the majority won to be honest with you, because there's way more of us that wanted them to lose.
Speaker 1:Now I think it's awesome. Jalen Hurts got his first Super Bowl in his second attempt, saquon, coming from the crap that he was at before with the Giants.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was good for him and they're like, oh, we're not going to pay a running back because he's not that important and you see what he did for their offense this year Didn't have a great Super Bowl, but still he brings so much eyes on him that it opens up everything else. So I mean, I think it was for them fantastic. Now, moving forward, the Eagles yet again for Jalen Hurts are going to have a new offensive coordinator. Oh, he left he is now the head coach of the Saints.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Kellen Moore because he was actually. That's a good problem to have.
Speaker 1:I guess he was offensive coordinator for the Cowboys at one point he was there and he'd moved around a few different times Really really good at what he does. But for Hurts he said it he has had a different OC every single year since he's been in the league.
Speaker 2:Don't a lot of those have that, though? No, you don't see that kind of movement.
Speaker 1:Not that much, Not like this, Not like this. Now, the thing that you will see on his team more because they've been so relevant and so good for this point, those guys are going to get more attention. But I mean, you look at somebody like the Panthers. The only way that they're losing people is because they get fired, Not because you're getting a job. Nobody's going anywhere else.
Speaker 3:Well, that's why I say it's a good problem to have.
Speaker 2:If people want your coaches, then you've done well, the team's done well, so it's a good problem to have, To an extent.
Speaker 1:I mean, like Ohio State, they just hired a new defense coordinator. He was a defense coordinator in the NFL and basically kind of took a step back. So I'm like, well, how well is he doing? Is that a step back? But he was a head coach for the Lions, then went to defense coordinator of the Patriots and now is in college.
Speaker 2:I guess he's coming back.
Speaker 1:He's kind of gone backwards a little bit. Now I think this could help if he, if he does well there, he grows back. He can grow back into. Let's go get a good NFL job now which the Patriots really wasn't.
Speaker 2:That's what Harbaugh did.
Speaker 1:He kind of left the.
Speaker 2:NFL come back to college, done really well there and then the NFL wanted him right back. I mean that's what Saban did?
Speaker 1:He just never went back. He did great, went to the NFL, didn't work out, came back was like alright, I'm back on top boys.
Speaker 2:When he got on top back in college he probably could have got an NFL job if he wanted it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he's still got options. Look at Chip Kelly. He just went to the Raiders. He was in college. He was a head coach in the NFL, didn't work out, went back to bounce around some colleges and now he's back in the NFL as office coordinator and I think he'll do well as an OC. I don't see him as a head coach type, but an OC there with some weapons. If the Raiders can get a quarterback, I think that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:That's what some of these coordinators are really good at what they do. I agree. And when they become a head coach, it's hard to juggle being a head coach and try to call plays or whatever. So I think they lose that and they depend on somebody else and really they're the best one that should be calling the plays. That's how I feel about chip kelly well, he needs to call.
Speaker 1:So it's really hard. Though you have so much to do as a head coach, it is really hard to be on the sideline, especially defense, because to me defense makes more sense up in the booth yeah, you got to see the whole picture you see it all, if you're calling plays from the field, that's tough.
Speaker 1:Offense not quite as tough, but still I kind of get it a little bit more. But these guys that are head coach calling plays and are still successful, that's super impressive to me. Yeah, because that's so hard to do. Like you said for Chip Kelly, if he does fantastic, they make him a head coach again. That's not a strong suit. He's shown you I'm really good at scoring points and calling plays.
Speaker 2:He just kind of needs to stay in that role. If he goes and becomes a head coach again and then hires an OC to call the plays, the play calling probably takes a step back because he is so good at that. I couldn't do that if I was him For me.
Speaker 1:It'd be really tough too, though, if you know you're a good OC and now you hire an OC and you're like crap, why are we calling those plays it's?
Speaker 3:always kind of a second guess. You're going to second guess them.
Speaker 1:You're not really, and that guy may feel that you don't really have his back, when in reality it's just kind of your nature. Like man, I would have probably done this or I would do this, and then then there's always this dispute that happens well, and you would nitpick everything that goes wrong. For sure, if it goes right, you're like okay good job.
Speaker 1:Anything goes wrong, like I would have done something different but then at the end of the day, very now, I feel like we're seeing it more often past couple years, but very rarely do you see head coaches stay and coordinators get fired. Usually it's a head coach gets fired and then one of those coordinators usually slides up, or it's a whole new system group yep but very rarely like now.
Speaker 1:I will say this year especially, there was probably four or five teams before that head coach was gone. They were already like cleaning the house, like we got to find some new stuff. I'm trying to keep my job ended up not keeping it anyways, yeah, but there's a lot of new, new coaches coming up for nfl this next. I mean Bears have a new one, saints have a new one, jets have a new one.
Speaker 2:Every year you get a lot of new ones.
Speaker 1:You're probably talking eight to ten this year.
Speaker 2:So you say new. How many of those are actually new, or just was that a different team a year or two ago?
Speaker 1:So several of these guys is the first time being a head coach. Okay, they've been coaches. I like to see that They've been coaches, but they've not had the chance to really lead it.
Speaker 2:I feel like you see coaches go from team to team to team.
Speaker 3:They get recycled a lot.
Speaker 2:And they'll be out a year or two doing something else, and then somebody hires them and then they just keep doing this. Well, like Vrabel at the Patriots.
Speaker 1:He was with the Titans. He stepped away. That's the first job. Ben Johnson, where'd he go? He was from the Lions. He went and got a job. The guy at the Jaguars that left from Tampa, that's his first.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he was at Kentucky for a couple years. We're seeing quite a few, a couple years he came to Kentucky done really well left, came back, said I want to be here and then left again.
Speaker 1:Well, it's kind of what he did with Tampa too, he did yeah.
Speaker 1:Kind of a whole mess, but we're seeing a lot. I mean, I think we're seeing probably five or six like first-time coaches. So I'm curious to see how they do. Obviously, you know the Cowboys same thing he's a first-time head coach, yeah, so we'll see kind of what happens with all that. Speaking of kind of a head coach, one thing we talked about will Dion make the jump? Well, dion recently came out and said I can't coach the NFL. He was very straight up and I was very like I respect it Because he said what do I have to offer those guys? They've made it.
Speaker 1:Like I can recruit and I can do well in college because I can get you there. But when I'm talking to these guys that have money, that are there, what can I really offer them?
Speaker 2:I was surprised when his name came up there before. Because of that reason, because of him being Dion and what he seems to be about even though I don't love some of his antics and his whatever you want to call it shenanigans and little over the top stuff I feel like he can bring in young kids and say hey look, guys, I made it there, I know how to get there, I know what it takes.
Speaker 1:Let me teach you the thing is, I didn't just make it, I excelled yeah, he was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I think he needs to get away with some of the stuff he's talking about and and focus more on.
Speaker 1:I don't think that'll ever happen, probably not the on, probably not it's prime time, but it's all about the limelight I think, and that's okay, I mean if it's working, it's working because this year was a huge step from previous it goes four and eight to then, but I think he needs to get out.
Speaker 2:He needs to get out of colorado. I think he can do bigger, better things somewhere else. Oh, I, I definitely think he needs to get out of Colorado. I think he can do bigger, better things somewhere else.
Speaker 1:Oh, I definitely think he leaves there. No, I think he maybe got one or two more there and then I think somebody comes calling If he does at least a minimum of last year. Yeah, If all of a sudden they turn and make a college playoff. Somebody's calling.
Speaker 2:It's showing that he can do it.
Speaker 1:then, like you said, recruiting, recruiting if nothing else but recruiting stuff, somebody should bring him in for that so I don't think you'll ever see dion get a call from alabama or lsu or ohio state and be like, hey, we're gonna bring you in as a coordinator. That's not dion.
Speaker 1:Dion's gonna run the show yeah, so you can't say, hey, come be a coordinator and you can help me recruit. That's's not going to fly with him. I just don't see it. But if one of those teams all of a sudden starts kind of falling off, hey, let's go get a big name.
Speaker 2:There's your big name. He's going to bring people. I don't think he goes to those schools first until he starts being a little more successful, but I can see that next year.
Speaker 1:So to me, I think the next big job that comes open Deion's my first call. I see that with anybody, and I think the reason is because, if you can say look what he's doing at Colorado.
Speaker 2:Give him more resources. Sky's the limit. I see him going to a Florida State, a Miami. Not quite that big time, but right behind it.
Speaker 1:Hang on though. Florida State andami historically are two of the biggest programs in all of college football that's what I mean, and they're kind of down a little bit one year for florida state and miami's already been making their resurgence. Past past five or six years we've seen that, like two and ten miami team turn into one game away from the playoff and really they didn't get the play.
Speaker 1:I don't put them on the level as alabama, oh Well, but that's to me the issue with that that's kind of a little bit of recency bias, because I think the same thing, because, like, if I'm going to say who's the best, we immediately go. Alabama, ohio State, oregon's been up there every year the past several.
Speaker 2:See, I don't even put Oregon in that status.
Speaker 1:Problem is that for the past seven years they've been one of the top 10 teams every single year.
Speaker 2:So it's like, well, at this point you kind of have to I guess I look at the ones that were winning the championships, and you know, your georgia clemson was there for a while, but they've taken a step back a little bit see, but that that's another one.
Speaker 1:I I've got a friend on facebook and he's talking about there's been this whole thing with hubert davis. We'll kind of get into that here in a little bit but uh, at carolina, but he's like well, you know it didn't work out great for dabbo at the beginning and all of a sudden, you know, it turned around for him. Well, really, they were only relevant for like two or three years.
Speaker 2:Like they, they won a championship or two and then, like I thought this man was a little more than that, they were there, but they're not winning yeah like by the, by the metric of you saying like you have to kind of win the championship for me to put you there.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't put them there yeah and really all the clemson fans, because we're overrun with them here in our area because it's just down the mountain. They talk about how great they've been for so long. Well, let's look at all of the 90s and early 2000s. You guys barely were making bowl games like yeah, I don't think like they weren't good since the 80s I went and watched uh kentucky play clemson in the music city bowl years ago.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean right so I mean what?
Speaker 2:no one that many years, don't say years like that. I ain't that old, I mean no, no, no, but that's been.
Speaker 1:Think about it. Sit here and actually think about how long ago was that it's been um me, me and your sister have been married since 2013. It was before that. It was before that. That's what I was gonna say. Okay, so?
Speaker 2:that's. That's 12 years 11, 12, 10 okay, so you're talking 15 years. That's a long time, and the world of sports 15 years, like you said, the emphasis you put on it, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3:15 years like you're not a spring chicken anymore.
Speaker 1:All right, we'll just say that I don't know, what that means spring chicken good little southern, good little southern saying from around here.
Speaker 2:So you've got the old man sayings coming out of there.
Speaker 1:Just a few. I mean, there's plenty of old men here to listen to. Yeah, you ain't that far behind me. No, I'm not Heck past them.
Speaker 2:I feel older, I feel about like 80. Hey, speaking of sayings, I listened to the podcast last, last week.
Speaker 3:Okay, there's a team I think I want to try to get you to say this again okay, um the I don't know where we're going. The cardinal team in kentucky what?
Speaker 2:what city are they?
Speaker 1:that's louisville it is not louisville, yes, because because people kentucky can't speak no doesn't mean that they're correct. It is not louisville, louisville it's like that sounds like you're choking on your tongue. Well, maybe that's what they were when they named the city. I mean, if you were doing like with english pronunciation, which nobody's gonna say it this way, be louisville, nobody's gonna say that exactly.
Speaker 2:See, nobody's gonna say no, it's gonna say that. But so you can't say louisville like the name.
Speaker 1:But the name l-o-u-i-s is louis. Okay, what's the point? Louisville, it'd be the same thing. No, the same thing, no, but that's the same thing. It's called. It's called a hollow and everybody says down in the holler, just but just because your country doesn't mean it's the correct word, it's uh, so you can't really say the spelling, because there's a lot of things that people spell a certain way, but they're pronounced different.
Speaker 2:So it's whatever they named it, okay, so it doesn't matter how it's spelled, and it's in kentucky and everybody in that city and all kentucky call it louisville.
Speaker 1:It is louisville and if I caught it in the moment, I would have called you on the louisville louisville cardinals. No, the louisville cardinals, it's not okay to say it wrong like it'd be fine. I know you're right you'll be fine, say well, I mean, if we're gonna go off of words of vocabulary here like I, would win that one for sure, not, not louisville, yeah, but that's okay.
Speaker 1:It's okay, listen, you are from western north carolina and that's okay yeah, but we okay, hang on if we're gonna talk about people that say some really dumb things. Look at the, look at the town just next to us. Okay, see, drives me insane, like the spelling the and, and. Then, if you really want to get into it, anything that's irish all sounds unbelievably wrong. It makes no sense.
Speaker 2:But those are.
Speaker 1:Whatever people say they are, if they're from there, and that's what they named it, it doesn't matter how they spelled it yes but, the issue with a lot of that is people have been saying just because you've been saying it wrong for 50 years doesn't mean it's correct.
Speaker 2:I wonder. So I know some of the national media say Louisville and they really put that Louis in there, yes, but I feel like a lot of people do say Louisville, even in the national media and stuff, like when they're calling games.
Speaker 1:I don't think you hear on ESPN, though. Espn well, and here's why I say that I would feel that they don't, because then listen to them say App State. You ever hear them say the full one?
Speaker 2:yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Appalachian. Yeah, they like enunciate that shun and I'm like nobody says that here like anybody says. Appalachian, but that's I mean. Appalachian Mountains are not just Western North Carolina. That's a pretty mean. Appalachian Mountains are not just western North Carolina.
Speaker 2:That's a pretty big mountain range, but if you look at how it's spelled, it would be like they're saying it, it's just not what it's called. So I feel the same way about Louisville. I'm always going to say Louisville.
Speaker 1:I mean it's okay for you to say that, but that's part of just where you're from, like I mean it's the same thing. Like a lot, friend, oh yeah then no, no, I agree with that, but if, but that's across the country, I mean. Even so, everybody out west, they're going to make fun of this southeastern accent, because most people have much more. You know country hick, whatever you want to call it down here, but they say some really weird things out midwest in california and all you know all that.
Speaker 2:If I say something in california and I say it different, like they can say something to me because I don't, I'm not in california, but like they can say something to me because I'm not in California, but like they can't argue with me about Louisville when I'm in Kentucky, from Kentucky. You know what I'm saying. So that's my point there. So people got to get off this Louisville thing. It's a Louisville.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing Make the team relevant and we'll say it right.
Speaker 2:Oh, the team's never going to be relevant again.
Speaker 1:That's what I the last time they were relevant, they got everything taken from them because Patino had all kinds of craziness happening. There was a lot going on there.
Speaker 2:I mean, I just say Louisville as the city, the team, any of the teams have no relevance to me. I don't care about them. Little Brother, Duke, Kentucky, they're always going to be that.
Speaker 1:Say that, but haven't they got? Hadn't UK been beating football the past few years from them no?
Speaker 2:They did want this past year, but before that I'd say this year. I remember Before that they was on a run over them. I'd say this one I remember for sure they did but I wasn't sure in the past, no, no, you go back and look at the years before that. They destroyed them.
Speaker 1:Kentucky football nobody cares, like I hate to say, just all fell apart and they start going back down again. Well, it just holds no relevance in the grand scheme of it, because they will never be on top of the SEC in football, there's so much. I don't think so either but I hate the.
Speaker 2:There's so much I hate this with any team, and Kentucky football does this, and even some of their fans. They're like you know, this is the best we've seen in our lifetime and you know is kentucky football. It ain't never gonna be what ain't never gonna be anything if you don't try, like you can't just always hold it down that's double negative.
Speaker 1:It's hard right there. I don't never, ain't never see louisville and ain't no but the thing is like when you think of kentucky football. Their fans are gonna say it just like that. Well they are, but it's the same thing. Like tennessee fans, tennessee, since probably 1980, has been saying next year's our Next year's our year, and they're usually pretty good.
Speaker 2:They just can't not what they say. They're not finished, they're in championships.
Speaker 1:They are second tier of the SEC. Yeah, right behind. Obviously not this year, but most years. Alabama, lsu, auburn, Georgia. Georgia, those top four or five that are typically up there. Now, time will tell if Texas is going to stay up there. Obviously, one year doesn't mean the same thing with Big Ten. Just because Oregon won it this year doesn't mean they're going to be there every year.
Speaker 2:Oklahoma didn't do much this year and they could turn it on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Oklahoma hasn't been the typical Oklahoma for the past five to eight years. I feel like they've really just gotten away from what they were, because it used to be like Oklahoma would have a fantastic running back, they'd have a quarterback that could sling it and they'd score 50 points a game. It was just alright, stop us. And nobody really in the Big 12 could. That's why Texas and Oklahoma had so many good games in that rivalry, because they could just go score a bunch of points. Yeah, and you're talking about SEC, that rivalry because they could just go score a bunch of points.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're talking about sec. I'm going to flip you over to some sec basketball, cause we saw the clip the other night of how many teams are currently projected to be in the tournament.
Speaker 1:So we kept saying what? Nine or 10, nine or 10. And then we saw it yeah, how many. It was 13, right, 13 in Arkansas, the first one out.
Speaker 2:I'm actually trying to pull it up right now, if I can find it, because it is crazy.
Speaker 1:There's what 16?
Speaker 2:18 teams, I think 16. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So all but three are going to make it Possibly.
Speaker 2:So you're talking. I don't think they do You're talking Arkansas first four out Missouri. I'm trying to think who's horrible?
Speaker 1:South Carolina won't be in, and South Carolina, that's the only three.
Speaker 2:LSU. Are they projected right now?
Speaker 1:I can't remember, I'm pretty sure they were.
Speaker 2:I can't find it right now. I should have pulled it up earlier. I thought I'd pull it up earlier, but yeah, that's never happened.
Speaker 1:That, um yeah, but that's never happened. That's that's a lot of teams from one conference.
Speaker 2:14 out of 18. That that is a lot of teams. You know what? What is crazy to me, when you go look at the sec standings, you'll have a team like kentucky. Uh, I think they're ranked 14th, maybe 15th now, but in the SEC standings they're way down towards the bottom.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry I misspoke. Mizzou is actually top 25 team right now.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're right.
Speaker 1:It was South Carolina LSU and Arkansas was the three. For whatever reason, I think I was mixing up LSU and Mizzou.
Speaker 2:There's one more too. I can't think of who it is.
Speaker 1:That's the bottom three right now in the SEC. Oh okay, oklahoma is one step ahead of them. I don't know that they'll make it. It'll be tight because they're 16-7 on the year. They'll have to get some wins coming down the stretch, yeah. But yeah I mean as a whole. You're talking 13 of 16 teams have potential, even if they get 12. Even if they only get 10.
Speaker 2:10 from one conference is a lot, but you've got teams ranked pretty high in the rankings that are middle of the pack of SEC. So there's.
Speaker 1:Tennessee, texas, looking at the SEC. Texas is unranked. They've dropped out, they've been out for a little bit, that's right.
Speaker 2:Tennessee is what I'm thinking of so current SEC standings.
Speaker 1:You've got nine teams in the top 25. First off, that's a ton. All right, you've got one, two, three and five. Okay, the only thing you're missing is four, which is nuts. And that's depending on which poll you look at, because obviously Duke's up there in some polls. It just depends. But they also flip-flop every week because they're beating the crap out of each other. Literally every week there's. You know they call it an upset, but it's these big conference battles that it's really hard to just really call them an upset. But yeah, you've got Tennessee who currently sitting in 7th, 7th in the SEC. Kentucky just beat them again last night.
Speaker 1:I was going to say it was pretty, a pretty solid game, but it was just kind of Kentucky ran away with it and it never got back close again.
Speaker 2:They got injuries and their point guard went out. In the middle of the game they got one of the other guys out. Another point guard went out in the middle of the game. They got one of the other guys out, another point guard out. So yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, so then we'll go to something that's kind of big in this area. We go into ACC basketball. Mm-hmm, I don't know that.
Speaker 3:I can remember the ACC two. We have two ranked because Clemson's back ranked.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, clemson, after upset.
Speaker 2:Duke, do you think that's the only two that get in the tournament?
Speaker 1:No, they'll have three. I believe Three okay. I think Louisville will make it too Okay. So three.
Speaker 2:Who will make it?
Speaker 1:The Louisville Cardinals.
Speaker 2:I don't know who that is. I've never heard of them.
Speaker 1:Sorry, just get the gunk out of your ears, you'll hear it.
Speaker 2:Hang on, Louisville Still never heard of that place before.
Speaker 1:Okay, I know, that was probably really loud because I cranked those that was really loud. Everybody in their car and they're going. Oh my gosh, maybe four, because SMU is up there. They're like 19 and five, so they could still get some.
Speaker 2:Does Duke break up the SEC party and get one of the ones? Yes, I don't think you can deny it. They're not going to play anybody else to knock them out of it, so well, I'll take that back. I guess, if they drop some games to these teams who are no good, I don't know.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing Clemson is another one of those teams that they're 20-5. I mean, they've already won 20 games this year. That's solid. They're not a bad team, they're just not what we would say tier team. So yes, Clemson basketball is doing way better.
Speaker 2:They beat Kentucky and Duke this year, both really good wins, both of them at home, though.
Speaker 1:Agreed, which they're very, very good at home. Currently on the season 13-2 at home, Like two losses at home. That's pretty impressive. So obviously the big game locally the other night Carolina went down. There Got beat by 20. Yep, and obviously a lot of our friends from here went down to that game. Whether you're a Clemson fan or a Tar Heel fan, it's the closest game that you're going to get that you can actually go to.
Speaker 2:If I was a Tar Heel fan, I wouldn't have wanted to go.
Speaker 1:I knew what was going to happen, I wouldn't have went this year. I've been to a lot of Tar Heel games down at Little John at Clemson many, many times over my life. It's a great little arena. I always get to watch the Tar Heels play it makes you happy as a fan, yeah exactly. I'm not happy with this team and I keep, keep, keep, seeing it all over Facebook, all over wherever. Well, these kids, just they're not taking any pride in that uniform.
Speaker 2:Stop with that stuff Get off it. Every team has the same stuff going on.
Speaker 1:I actually saw someone the other day Poor Hubert, poor Hubert, hubert's the problem. Yeah, like start the coaching search now.
Speaker 2:What do they think the players are doing? Because of NIL and stuff, I'm assuming so they just hired basically a general manager yeah to come in to come in and just do nil stuff.
Speaker 1:That is a waste in this current climate, whether you like it or not. If you've listened to this show for any amount of time, you've heard us talk about nil. Um, obviously, our thoughts on it, how it needs to go to contracts, how many there's. There's a lot of things that need to change it, but in the current climate it is the way it is. We cannot change it currently. Get over your own ego. Get over this. You got to come play for the pride of the school. They don't do that anymore. They don't care. They need money and because money rules all, as a head coach, you have to be able to do that side of the business as well.
Speaker 2:But as a head coach you have to be able to do that side of the business as well. But people think because these kids are getting paid, all of a sudden they don't want to play good or they don't care about the team anymore.
Speaker 1:They still want to play ball. No, a lot of these guys are just seeing it as the business that it is Like I want to be at Carolina, but if you're going to give me $10,000 and that guy's going to give me $100,000, I I may not make it to the NBA. Why not go take the?
Speaker 2:100? Yeah, but I'm still going to go play and try For some of these guys, the number is way bigger, it is.
Speaker 1:So I mean, still it's a business.
Speaker 2:But don't complain about it and say poor Hubert went right down the road. Duke went through the same thing recently.
Speaker 1:They're doing fine yeah they had a coaching change Again, a first-time head coach in John Shire.
Speaker 2:They have NIO stuff to deal with.
Speaker 1:I was very critical of him at the beginning of the year because he was not running plays. It was give it to Cooper and stand back, and that was when they lost to Kentucky early in the season. And the whole last four minutes of the game was ISO Cooper spin move turnover.
Speaker 2:That's what happened. Well, kentucky knew it was coming, because that's all they did.
Speaker 1:Everyone knew it was coming, yeah, like there was no doubt, and since then they've handled it a lot better. I mean also, I think Cooper Flagg has gotten a lot better, which is, you know, I don't see how he's not player of the year. The kid is fantastic.
Speaker 2:Him and Auburn, I think, are in the red for it.
Speaker 1:I think the kid from Auburn has to be as well. But Shire has really turned around that team. He's done a good job recruiting. They have depth. This is not a Coach K team. This is a John Shire team. This is a Huber team. There's no true center on the roster. Carolina is typically the best offensive rebounding team in the country. We are way down from that this year. We can't rebound defensively. We can't cover anybody in the post. Our defense has gone back to that first year of Hubert.
Speaker 2:And you can't blame that on the players. You just can't Now, can the players?
Speaker 1:be better. But the lineups he's putting in statistically don't make sense. When you have statistics of 10 to 15 games and you see, hey, this lineup that I'm starting is minus 20 in every category, maybe we should look at changing it up, just maybe. Well, that's you know, what do I know? But just maybe, sure.
Speaker 2:Take a great coach and give him bad players and he can look bad. For sure he can't. But the thing is, but you recruited those guys, those guys that he has are not that bad.
Speaker 1:Now post. Yeah, we're rough. They need true post but the guards that they have are very athletic guys but the offensive sets we're running. All of our wins this year have been ugly, not good wins.
Speaker 2:You know, we know we coach in a rec league we've talked about and in that rec league they get people together and they try to make the teams, even the league officials, whoever's over the league. They put teams together and hand the coaches, the rosters, Correct.
Speaker 3:We get no say over who we got.
Speaker 2:We have no control. Hubert Davis had control over who come to his team, 100%. So even if the players are trash which I don't believe that but you brought them, you can change that.
Speaker 1:But then if you really want to sit here as a Tar Heel fan that I keep seeing all my friends on Facebook that say this well, the kids just don't look like they want to be there and play as a head coach, fix it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe they don't want to play there may be somebody that you say all right, fine, you're out of here. Either everybody else is going to shape up or they're going to leave and you kind of just have to be like all right, I've got to have a backbone and I've got to step up. I personally did not like the Hubert Davis hire to begin with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've said that the whole time.
Speaker 1:Especially in the climate that we're in now of NIL ruling the world. You need somebody that's kind of a businessman up front as well, and hubert's not that guy we we have got to get away from. We're only going to hire a carolina guy. I don't give a crap where you come from. If you're a good coach and you can, you can put us back in spotlight where where carolina basketball should be. You know they're like well, we got to get more time. We're missing the tournament for the second time in a couple of years. Let's say, how long are you gonna give me? In north carolina they were like, oh, but you had a number one seed. What was it last year, a couple years ago, whatever, it was okay and you only made it to sweet 16, so you still weren't very good, what does that matter?
Speaker 2:I felt like we were an overrated team at the time getting the number one scene means you had a fairly easier path and you still didn't make it so I'm very, very frustrated with that team as a whole, because I understand that there are going to be ups and downs.
Speaker 1:There are some teams. The downs should never be this down the downs should be. You got a nine seed, still made it. You got a nine seed.
Speaker 2:There's probably what the 10 top programs in the country that can get about any coach they want yeah get about any players they want.
Speaker 1:I know money's starting to play a factor in that well, but carolina, I feel like, is probably one of the top three. Yeah, they're definitely top five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, however, you want to order them so, but they're one of the top three. Go get a coach and get it done.
Speaker 1:That it's, you know, proven and you would think that makes sense, but to everybody there it's like well, hubert's a good guy, and he may be, hubert was a fantastic assistant. I'll give him that he was fantastic assistant.
Speaker 2:He looks lost when it comes down to it always got coaches like that always tar heel guys.
Speaker 1:Was williams that way? Yes, okay, they, they are always going to go for a tar heel guy.
Speaker 2:That's just the way they are occasionally you're going to get one that works, and sometimes you're not. That's what you're going to deal with if you do that, if you go look at it now.
Speaker 1:There isn't another one to go get. Not that is going to come in and can really be the spotlight of a big-name team. There's just not one.
Speaker 2:Not at the moment, but that's you know, I think we're a long ways from having one we said Duke did that and it's turned out okay.
Speaker 1:Kentucky recently done it, but not on purpose. They took a younger guy which I think was part of it. So we're seeing the climate go that way in a lot of head coaching, especially NFL. Like Kellen Moore is 35, the head of an NFL program. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1:It is Like when we were kids me and Brad talked about it the other day when we were kids if you were under 55 or 60, you weren't even interviewed, Like the young guys. Oh, you got to pull your weight, you got to do your time. Well, now that's what everybody wants. Everybody wants the young guy. They want the energy. So for me, like, why do I? You can't tell me there's not a 35, 40, 45-year-old guy out there that could do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, if there is an older guy who's like the perfect fit, fine. But I don't want to get stuck in that. You know I have to have somebody that's got experience.
Speaker 1:Just because you've been around, you're good. No, that's not how that works.
Speaker 2:So Kentucky, you know, hired one of their own in Mark Pope and we'll see how that works out. But it wasn't because he was one of them, it was. They even tried to get some other guys.
Speaker 1:First, he was successful everywhere he's been. Yeah, he was doing fantastic at BYU he was. So it's not like they're bringing a coach that's like, well, just because he was at UK we're going to bring him. No, he was doing really really well somewhere else. He wasn't the first option and it kind of just fell in his lap. At that point it did and he's making the most out of it. First year coach and they're top 25, still Still beating some top teams.
Speaker 3:Complete new team.
Speaker 1:Could very easily make a big run. I mean, you never know. I hope so.
Speaker 2:I hope so for sure. But you know we watched the Duke game. Duke-clemson the other night Was at the range. We had on the TV there. Poor Duke Clemson. The other night he was out at the range. We had on the TV there Poor Will. Poor Will had to come watch Duke get beat Again. Clemson won at their home.
Speaker 1:You know, jim, there Clemson is so physical in a post. That's what makes them good. They also have very, very experienced older guards, guys who just know how to play the game.
Speaker 2:They make up for a lot of stuff just because the experience. I guess we said I was there for the kentucky game when they be kentucky and so I know in person, I've seen this in person when they storm the court and they done it again yeah, duke there's a whole lot more talk going on about storming the court again, so I I want to get rid of it, but I don't know, that there's a way to get rid of it, but I don't know that there's a way to get rid of it.
Speaker 1:So, looking at it from a security standpoint, you cannot hire enough security to be in there to stop that many people If a mob decides to come through somewhere. If you outnumber the security, you win.
Speaker 2:So I didn't know this because following SEC, the SEC has big fines, correct, and then on certain offenses, if you're in SEC play, you actually have to pay the school you was playing against, correct? Yes, my understanding. Acc doesn't have that same fine system. Listen, the?
Speaker 1:ACC is loose with a lot of stuff they do.
Speaker 2:The way their money slides around is a little questionable sometimes now I don't think finding the school's going to do much because again school can get all the security they want the kids don't care um no, so you're telling me these kids, that are a bunch of frat kids, bunch of you know, diehard fans.
Speaker 1:You storm the court, the school has to pay this amount of dollars. That means nothing. And and then people talk about their pocket. When they get storm the court, the school has to pay this amount of dollars. That means nothing.
Speaker 2:And and then people talk about their pocket when they get on the court, keep them there and start arresting people, start giving them fines and good luck with that. That's not gonna work either. Um, but something I saw that really made me think. When you watch these clips of games on espn or whatever, they always show the court storming they do and so do they really want to get rid of it.
Speaker 1:It's part of their production. The hard part of that is they're not going to condone it. Espn is not going to say well, we love you storming the court, but I don't feel like they're ever going to truly come out and say how dare you. They may say, oh, this is not good, this is whatever.
Speaker 2:They're never just going to, like, really say anything bad because, like you said, for tv, people kind of want to see it. It's great because that means something big happened. Well, you even have, you know, some of the team's uh officials, whether it be athletic directors, whatever but sometimes partake in it, especially when they win big games.
Speaker 1:That one I'm a little more like I. As a school official you can't do that, but I.
Speaker 2:But I feel like it's a lot of this oh, you can't do this, it's dangerous, but we kind of like it, you know and that's what I feel like it is.
Speaker 1:So some of the schools they look at it as let our fans enjoy it, Let them enjoy that big win. I do get that side of it.
Speaker 2:If you can get the other team out of there, do what you want.
Speaker 1:But the problem is storming the court, slash field, whatever it is. It's not fun if you have to wait 10 minutes agree, it's gotta they want to do it immediately when the buzzer sounds, let's go. Yeah, and for security, for the other team, the coaches, whatever.
Speaker 2:You can't get them out that quick, it could even be tough on, I think uh, posing fans that are there, correct, when everybody's trying to rush and I've seen clips and stuff of coaches saying you know, fans are just screaming things at them nonstop. Oh, yeah, it gets bad yeah, and then if you get, hit.
Speaker 1:I mean we've seen players get trampled, yeah, I mean we've seen it get pretty rough, like here's the thing. I don't necessarily like it, but at the same time I don't see a way to fix it currently.
Speaker 2:I don't either, but it did make me think what kind of teams storm the court and what kind don't, and I feel like there's only two reasons that a team doesn't like their fans don't storm the court. Either you're really bad and you never just beat any good team, so you never get to storm it, or you're really good and you never storm it because every win means something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's the way I look at it. Now, here's the thing I don't necessarily think for the bad team, because that bad team, the first time they beat somebody they're coming.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they're so bad they never beat anybody.
Speaker 1:So here's my thought on it. Let's see, looking at the ACC, miami is, I think, dead last in the ACC currently. If Duke goes to Miami and Miami beats them, they're storming. Oh, they're storming for sure, they're storming and they're horrible. But it made me think. But I think a bad team's always going to if you beat a good one but a good program, they don't need to.
Speaker 2:They're above that because I know from being a kentucky fan as far as in rep arena, since they've been playing rep arena, which has been years and years right.
Speaker 1:Long, long time they have never, stormed the court referee but that's a real, that's a relevant program yeah, so what other. If carolina would have beat duke at home, they wouldn't storm the court so that's my, that was my question to you.
Speaker 2:What other programs do you think the fans maybe have not or should not, in your mind, have never stormed the court?
Speaker 1:I think you go look at the top ten. You look at Kansas. They shouldn't Probably haven't you don't think they have. You don't think they had a?
Speaker 2:down year and they beat somebody. I don't know if they have or not.
Speaker 1:So, looking back, when's the last time you could think that a team like that was down? I mean really looking back, when's the last time you could think that a Carolina team was down?
Speaker 2:Yeah, few, and far between that's what I was going to ask, you being a.
Speaker 1:North Carolina fan, do you think? Have you ever heard of North Carolina storming the court? Not that I can think of.
Speaker 2:I mean it happens a lot to Kentucky, kansas with Kentucky yeah but basketball I just don't think that's one that you do it.
Speaker 1:I mean honestly, we're not that many years removed from a national championship.
Speaker 2:I tried looking for a list and really couldn't find any definitive answer. I don't know the stat that they really keep up with. That's kind of hard.
Speaker 1:No, but that's like Kentucky basketball should never no, uconn should not.
Speaker 2:They're too relevant but they probably did a few years ago, didn't they?
Speaker 1:no, but UConn's been relevant for a while.
Speaker 2:I mean you gotta go all the way back, all the way back to the days like Kimball Walker and before like they were winning championships.
Speaker 1:They were like what? What was the point?
Speaker 2:I mean, I think that'd be if somebody could find that stat incentives.
Speaker 1:I would love to see I would love to see it, I mean honestly. Brian, you do a ton. If a chance and want to look at that, please do, but don't spend a ton of time on this.
Speaker 2:I want to know if there's some school that's just been so horrible that they've never knocked off a good team, and so they haven't for the opposite reason, If you're never going to beat somebody yeah, of course you're not going to storm because you're not going to win.
Speaker 1:I know I want to know if, because you go to a team, honestly, vanderbilt had a good football year this year For Vanderbilt football, they did great, they did. They stormed it twice this year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because of big teams.
Speaker 2:Because it's not usual to have such a good year, correct? So even though they were having a good year this year, it still meant something to them, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, that'd be a really hard stat, I think. But If you've won a championship in the last 15 years, you don't need, and shouldn't be, storming it.
Speaker 2:That's too recent. That's on the fans, because they're the ones storming it. So I guess it shows the expectation of the fans. Like you said with Vandy, even though they're having a good year, they're like, hey, this may not happen again. We need to go right now. So that's the way they felt about it. So I think that comes into more than what the team is doing that year is their overall history?
Speaker 1:I guess yeah, again, I would like to see if there was a way to find that stat, obviously because college basketball has been around for so long and obviously you know only 35. I can't remember times 70 years ago.
Speaker 2:And there's so many arenas too Right, so many games, so yeah, that'd be really hard.
Speaker 1:That may be a hard stat to find, but if somebody can, that'd be really really cool, because I would be interested in that.
Speaker 2:Like you said, I think we have an idea of some schools that would be.
Speaker 1:I just feel like, if you're talking about some of your top historical programs now, I feel like if you're talking about some of your top historical programs now, to me, like a UCLA, I feel like they probably would now because they've not been relevant a long time.
Speaker 2:If they beat Duke, wouldn't they storm this year?
Speaker 1:I don't feel like they've been relevant in many, many, many years.
Speaker 2:See, I was kind of thinking that with Louisville too, because you said they're kind of one of the top programs.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't consider them a top basketball program. I mean, they won a championship not that long ago, but it's also taken away. It's?
Speaker 2:taken back. Yeah, um, but I think they would still on the court. I can only think of maybe five that I feel like probably haven't well, so that I don't know about years past, you know if kentucky is terrible, louisville's number one.
Speaker 1:I don't know that Kentucky fans would.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't think they'd be so mad. They just leave. I think.
Speaker 1:I think the other way around. I think Louisville.
Speaker 2:I do too. Yeah, so I, I don't and I don't see, I don't know.
Speaker 1:you know, kentucky, duke, north Carolina, kansas they're playing because if Alabama and Auburn are number one versus number two and Alabama's number two and beats Auburn, they're probably storming.
Speaker 2:You think they would See. I think Alabama football is the one that's never stormed, from what I saw.
Speaker 1:I know, auburn, did you know some of the kick-six stuff? No, I know they did so. Like I feel like, especially this Bama program it's not the Saban program anymore, like it's very, very different.
Speaker 2:I still don't think they would. I think their fans expect to be the greatest?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Do you feel?
Speaker 1:different. I think the expectations change too, like when you've got a guy that's just so settled in, like Saban. When you don't go a year, like when you go a year and you've lost two games, you're like man, we failed and you really looked like well, we lost two games.
Speaker 2:We had a good year. But, like you said that about North Carolina, if they was to beat Duke this year, I don't think they'd storm, even though it's been down for a couple years.
Speaker 1:Carolina couldn't beat Duke, even in my dreams this year. They're so bad, I'll say if they're so bad.
Speaker 2:Do you look different upon field storming than court storming because it's a bigger area?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I do. Purely on the fact of when you look at the storm like everybody down on the field typically still the vast majority of the field you can still see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it is much bigger.
Speaker 1:But there's a whole lot more people there too. There is, but not everybody partakes. So in an arena, a basketball court's not very big they're not. It don't take many people to fill it up. No, so that's my thing is yes, there's a tremendously less amount of people there For most football stadiums. Most of them are much, much bigger. But even you know you see some of the bigger football teams and it happens when they really zoom out you can see both end zones you can see big sections.
Speaker 2:still you have a lot of room outside the field, the sidelines, end zone, areas that you don't really have even at basketball.
Speaker 1:You take at Duke if Duke decides to storm the court. There's only like 3,000 people in there, but a basketball court is tiny Like they would fill it.
Speaker 2:That still amazes me. Why don't they have a bigger arena? They don't want it. They can make so much money, I mean here's the thing, here's the thing.
Speaker 1:It's easy to say that, but what I will say?
Speaker 3:go there I'm sure it's a different ball game.
Speaker 1:Yeah so to me, I like that atmosphere. I like really, really close to the court. Your fans are psychotic, like, even like when you go to the Dean Dome at Chapel Hill, it's just kind of too big Like it doesn't have that feel.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of those that hold, you know, close to 20,000.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a lot for a basketball game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so those are a little big for me, but like yeah, so those are a little big for me, yeah, but like the Clemson holding 10,000, those feel about right.
Speaker 1:I like somewhere in that five to seven, I think, mm-hmm, because then it feels like it's personal, you're really involved. What did I say? The Duke is like maybe 3,000. Not.
Speaker 2:Dean Dome, cameron, cameron. Yeah, that could go 5,000 people. It wouldn't change that much as far as the atmosphere.
Speaker 1:You couldn't Get more fans in. You couldn't change that stadium around to get that many people. Well, no, I know you'd have to do some major.
Speaker 2:That's probably the biggest part of it. It's a historic arena. They don't want to make some changes.
Speaker 1:They hold 9,000 in there. It doesn't feel like is their capacity. They must have changed that then. Um, so yeah, I, I, I guess, I like about 10 000, I like that number because it's tiny, cameron's tiny though.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah, that's what I say, like when you really look at the pictures of this place like it's it is.
Speaker 1:I mean, you see it on tv when you're throwing the ball in on the sideline, they're on you. Yeah, like they're. They are there well that's what I like.
Speaker 2:That, though that's what little John holds at Clemson. That was pretty good. I think Georgia's is pretty close to that too, when we went down there, that was pretty good.
Speaker 1:Well, so they have it right here. Dean Smith Center, almost 22,000. Yeah, that's too much for me, it's just too big. And Fieldhouse, which that's Kansas, they're at 16. So they're kind of that middle ground.
Speaker 2:As a fan and I think that's Kentucky as well would you, especially for a big game? Would you rather be one of those way up top than not be there at all? Just to say hey, I was in the building, because if they're only at 10,000, you may never get in the building, for, like the upset.
Speaker 2:Well, just for anything I'm saying, you know we like a 10,000 arena, but if North Carolina only had 10,000, it might be very hard to get a ticket a lot of times. So because they got 20, you can get seats even though they're in the nosebleeds.
Speaker 1:Well, so the problem is, like somebody, like like Carolina, especially if they're having a good year, it don't matter where you sit, they're expensive.
Speaker 2:They're not cheap tickets.
Speaker 1:So to me, because anytime, if anybody listening has ever been to a game, you know, walking into the game, somebody's trying to sell you tickets. We used to go show up down there and not have tickets.
Speaker 2:Me, dad and Brad would do it. I never saw that at either one of the games we went to this year, but I think that might be a lot of people going digital anymore.
Speaker 1:So the digital does slow it down, but there's still a lot of people scalping tickets. It's still a very, very common thing. Um, I mean, again, I've been to clemson and bought tickets that way. I've been to carolina and bought tickets that way, like it just kind of happens. Yeah, um, I remember one year for my birthday it was just me and dad, we went, we drove all the way to chapel hill and like we didn't have tickets, we're just going to buy some. And it was for for Carolina versus Virginia, and this was pre-Virginia, being anything at all.
Speaker 2:Did you end up with decent seats? Oh, we had fantastic seats, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we were actually on one of the corners, maybe 20 rows up.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's not bad.
Speaker 1:We were really good seats for that place, best I'd ever sat there. Yeah, you Went down early, got to walk around the campus. That's a massive campus too, because that was my first time actually being on campus to where I was actually walking through it and looking at it, because usually you kind of just show up, go to the arena that's it.
Speaker 2:Let's say North Carolina's good, duke's good. They're playing each other. You can get a ticket, but it's going to be way up top. Would you go, or would you rather sit at home watching on TV?
Speaker 1:Carolina-D on tv uh, carolina duke, I'd rather go, okay, but that's. But that's why I think they have a 20,000 arena, because, well, but here's the thing, vice versa, at duke there's only 9,000 tickets.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I think, but I'd rather go watch the game at duke yeah, but you may not be able to get in because there's only 9,000 well, but that's listen.
Speaker 1:You can always get in.
Speaker 2:Somebody's always selling no, it just depends what you want about those games. It just depends what you're gonna pay. Here's the thing, that's true.
Speaker 1:Anything for sale those fans are crazy. They will camp like if it's a big duke carolina game. You know you're talking top 10 matchup. They are going to camp out for a week because the students it's a first come, first serve.
Speaker 2:Kentucky fan.
Speaker 1:I can't say nothing about crazy camping out stuff like exactly, exactly big blue nation is crazy, the crazy, the big time teams, they all do it. So it's hard to say, you know. Now, again, if you're talking a rivalry game, yes, I, 1 million percent, would rather be there, regardless of where I'm sitting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just because the atmosphere is different and that's what I think those are for, because when North Carolina, kentucky, tennessee, all those schools with the big arenas, I think Kansas is a pretty decent sized arena.
Speaker 1:No, it's only 16.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's not quite there. Yeah, but that's Allen Fieldhouse.
Speaker 2:It's the same way it's supposed to be when those teams are rolling, they will sell out 20,000 seats to a nobody team. Let alone when you start bringing in, Typically yeah, and then you bring in the top row is expensive, yeah, so they're bringing so much money, so I get why they do it. Um, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1:Everybody says nba players shouldn't be paid so much. Well, if we're gonna pay the price, then it is what it is makes, what the league makes yeah, they only. So nba gets what six percent revenue share? Yep, the players do, and that still equals, you know, hundreds of millions, if not billions. It's a crazy, crazy number.
Speaker 2:People say that and then they go pay thousands of dollars for a seat. Well, that's why. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1:So, living in Shelby, we used to drive over and go to at the time it was the Charlotte Bobcats. They weren't even the Hornets anymore. We got tickets for like $10. You can go to arenas and get tickets if you really want it. It's not that crazy a price. Now if you're saying, well, I have to sit to this level and this spot, well, you're kind of dumb because you're going to pay outweighs for it.
Speaker 1:I've never been to an NBA game, but from what I've seen, there's a lot of scenes as close as we live. I've never been to a Hawks game and I would like to, I'd like to. I'd like to go to Atlanta and go to a Hawks game. I've never been to their arena.
Speaker 2:I'd like to go to a football game over there. I think that'd be fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would love to go to a Falcons game. I've never been to one of those either. I've been to Panthers, I've been to Hornets.
Speaker 2:But we're talking about and I know, there's not the same exactly so I don't feel like you ever get that a duke of north carolina. Ticket price is crazy well.
Speaker 1:So it just doesn't matter. Professional, every professional sport, the tickets more expensive. They're just higher priced. It's just the way it is, especially nfl.
Speaker 2:But nfl tickets are not cheap because we keep paying it or somebody does. I have never been, so I'm not paying it.
Speaker 1:But well, so like for me, I will say I don't even know what the stadium's called now over in Charlotte. Last time I went it was Bank of America, so I'm not sure if it still is, I think it's still that. Okay. So last time I went there, that's what it was. It's not just a massive like it's big, don't get me wrong. It's big because all NFL it's not just immensely massive. I feel like you can see from pretty much everywhere there. It it was fun to me, like I, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:It's just I'm not a panthers fan, we should do more. But yeah, but just going to the game would be fun like I.
Speaker 1:I just I don't like the panthers. They've been so bad for so long it's like I don't really want to go see that but, by the way, for those that can hear, it is pouring the rain is absolutely pouring. Yeah, I'm starting to. It's done that for three days now here, I know.
Speaker 2:It's been ridiculous. Yeah, we don't need more.
Speaker 1:We had 74 degrees last week. Oh, it was amazing. The high the last three days was 40, with rain. It's been miserable.
Speaker 2:Yeah with that. We do have a covered area at 4U Golf, so we're because we need the money.
Speaker 1:I don't want to beg, that's the way to put it. No, it's just, it's literally. It's like it's so hard Because last week we were booming out there it was so busy and then this week it's like two people will come by. I haven't seen someone in a year. It feels like it's so weird?
Speaker 2:No, but it's one of those we do get way more people out there, even when it's cold and rainy than I would expect. Don't get me wrong, it's not it's definitely not gonna be you. Sorry, you ain't gonna be me, you're not going at all like we had a group text guys to do, but I'm not.
Speaker 1:We had a group text going on with a couple of our buddies today and it was. It was funny because he even said the same thing with this weather, you guys need to be in a bubble or have some really massive heaters or something going on, because we, you know, nobody wants to be out there right now, which is so weird because last week we were out there it's like 11 30 one night and it was fantastic, it was warm it was still like 60 degrees and it was.
Speaker 1:It was just, it was awesome well, the the night.
Speaker 2:We know it's february, like we knew it was gonna switch whatever was that clemson duke we were out there yeah, clemson duke watching yeah it was the night open. I was in a t-shirt and shorts, yeah, it felt great.
Speaker 1:I finally ended up kind of needing my quarter zip just because the wind started to come through.
Speaker 2:That was the only reason I need that weather back yeah.
Speaker 1:I do. I just function better with that weather I do too. I think most people do, unless you just live in that constantly that cold. Very few people really just like that. I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 2:Hey, by the way, again listening. Last week we talked about sports movies. Oh yeah, I knew I was going to miss them. Well, of course but when you have to say it on the spot. So now I had to go back and look and I was like man, there's some movies that we missed.
Speaker 2:What's some that you felt like you missed, that you're really happy came to my mind last week and I'm iffy on it, it's a little bit over the top which, again, I've got a lot of football movies. Uh, varsity blues it was okay, varsity blue. Uh, friday night lights I really enjoyed friday night lights. Good movie um rudy. How did we miss rudy?
Speaker 1:But I've never been crazy about Rudy. Rudy is not one that does it for me, but it's a good movie, it's all right.
Speaker 2:When you get football movies, it's all right. And then can't forget Mighty Ducks.
Speaker 1:Well, so here's the thing. We were talking to Brian about it and he sent us his list, Because we kind of mentioned it last week Like, hey, Brian, send us what yours is. Have you watched the Mighty Ducks?
Speaker 2:It's been a while, but yeah.
Speaker 1:The first one sucks. The second one is the movie, so they figured it out when they got to the second one, d2.
Speaker 2:D2.
Speaker 3:It's the Junior Olympics.
Speaker 1:I don't know why, but that one to me is just funnier. Everything about it was just better. Now I get, so it's hard. My brother introduced me to the Mighty D ducks when I was very young, and you know for the younger crowd we had on a vhs.
Speaker 1:If you don't know what that is, go look it up. You know, be kind, rewind. Um, so we had it on vhs but we had d2. Don't get me a blockbuster again. We had the mighty ducks, you know the second one. So I watched it like crazy. You know, just there's so many just quotable and just funny moments from that movie. I like I want to go back and watch it now, like after we talked about I want to go back and watch that. But then there was, you know, I finally was like, oh, I need to go watch the first one. And I went back and watched it and I'm like it's good and like I understand where some of this came from and it kind of sets it up with the second one just wasn't the same, without the first one being there first, like if it just came out, just like yeah, don't it kind of?
Speaker 1:set it up? I mean, you know what it is, very, very vaguely, does it set it up?
Speaker 2:very, very vaguely. Yeah, but you know who the mighty ducks are because you watched the first one. I didn't, I did, oh, I watched the second one first.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'll get you okay. So I had always just kind of figured out the backstory from the second one, like it wasn't that it will so. And then obviously there's a third one and he's, you know, going to play for a high school team and it's very different things happen, and you know it was pretty good too. Honestly, all three I really did like, um especially, I was never into hockey. Hockey was not something I really understood, but those movies were just really good um.
Speaker 1:So yes, mighty ducks were fantastic well, that also brought me back.
Speaker 2:We talked about the UTEP basketball team, so it's called Glory Road.
Speaker 1:I had to go look that up Glory Road there's a couple. Well, because it wasn't UTEP, it was Texas El Paso at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. There's a racing movie, so I don't know if that's a sports movie or not. That I watched not too long ago. That's a whole other, but Ford versus Ferrari. I really, really love that movie.
Speaker 1:So that's about 24-Hour. Le Mans. Right, it is yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't know if you guys have seen it.
Speaker 1:I've honestly never seen it. I've seen millions and millions of clips of it. Oh, you've got to watch it, but I've never actually watched it, and I want to watch it because it's very interesting because it's the creation of the.
Speaker 3:Ford GT.
Speaker 1:We want to go beat Ferrari. We made a car to go do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, I think I would like that one Then the only other movie that that takes me way back. And again, sports movie, yes or no? Um, seen it on TV. So if you watch it non TV, I'm sure it's got some language that I don't even want to be part of. But uh, white men can't jump.
Speaker 1:Oh, great movie. I haven't watched the remake.
Speaker 2:I didn't know. There was a remake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a remake. I'm sure I heard it, but I I haven't seen the remake. But yeah, the original's great.
Speaker 2:Woody Harrelson, wesley Snipes that was a great movie, so is that a sports?
Speaker 1:movie it's basketball.
Speaker 2:Kind of.
Speaker 1:It's a tournament like 2v2 set up but it's still based around basketball. It's not around basketball, so like a basketball team. So I never resonated with like field of dreams, never liked that movie. You know the whole build it and they will come. You know, that could say it so much I didn't like that movie at all. But so then, like so again, I'll give you another reason to dislike will. He doesn't like the movie the sandlot I've already told you I've never seen it. You gotta watch it.
Speaker 2:Sandlot is a fantastic baseball movie.
Speaker 1:I love it. Will's more of the baseball purist, so he doesn't really care for that Because it's backyard baseball.
Speaker 2:Isn't that where everybody starts baseball though?
Speaker 1:You have to start somewhere. Not all of us can start top tier.
Speaker 2:Will's a little younger than us.
Speaker 3:Not much but yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2:It's a little different, I guess.
Speaker 1:I loved Rookie of the Year. I loved Angels in Will's. A little younger than us, Not much, but yeah, a little bit it's a little different, I guess. I loved Rookie of the Year. I loved Angels in the Outfield, All those 80s to mid-90s movies. Those were so much fun to me. Major League I loved those movies Again. I always watch those on TV.
Speaker 2:So I haven't seen everything that would be in it outside of it. I want to actually go pull up Brian's list so we can see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he had a few on there. That was different.
Speaker 2:Oh, he agreed with me the top one Facing the Giants. If you've not seen it, you've got to go watch it. Like I said, not the greatest production movie.
Speaker 1:So that's what I struggle with. The movie's good, don't get me wrong. Behind the movie it's fantastic. But when I watch a movie I want the production to be good, and it just isn't.
Speaker 3:It's not, it's a small company it is.
Speaker 2:They're not trying to be. That was one of their first movies too. It was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they're not trying to be this big, massive. You know, 20th Century Fox, that's not what they are, but then hating on, so, brian you're wrong, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Uh, mighty ducks. I also want clarification. Is it the first or the second or the third? Well, he just said I know a lot of people just prefer it. Mighty ducks.
Speaker 2:They don't really uh, say I'm into the sandlot, which I guess I'm gonna watch this.
Speaker 1:I know I've seen a really good movie but as far as remembering the whole thing, it's. I like it. It's a. It's a very corny, like like 90s movie, but it's good.
Speaker 2:And his number five Angels in the Outfield. Actually, he said no particular order, so maybe these aren't one too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did say that.
Speaker 2:But I think those are all ones we kind of hit on too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I love the movie Coach Carter. I think it's fantastic. There's so many, so many good. I mean I love we Are Marshall. I think that's a great, great football movie. It is that's a sad movie, though. It's very sad, but it's. It's a true story. I mean it's we'll say this based on a true story.
Speaker 2:I think I want to go back and watch Trotting Highlights, now that we talked about it.
Speaker 1:I haven't watched that.
Speaker 3:It was a good movie.
Speaker 1:Anybody else that has some that we've missed, because I know we're missing plenty.
Speaker 3:There are so many sports movies, we can do a sports movie bracket.
Speaker 1:I would actually be interested in that one.
Speaker 2:We might get hated on a little bit, like we did with the Christmas movies.
Speaker 1:I can't help that our fans are wrong. I know, right, I love all of our fans. I think that would be one, especially. You know we're getting into. Baseball is right at a month away from opening day, right there at the end of March, 27th, 28th I believe. Well, take that back. There's an earlier game that they're playing in Tokyo, kind of second to third week of March, but then the actual opening day is right there at the end.
Speaker 2:When is the Reds-Braves game in Bristol? That gets close to us. Stop playing games where they don't say that that drives me insane.
Speaker 1:The viewing is horrible, but they're not close, but that's such a small like racetrack that it might work.
Speaker 2:I don't know?
Speaker 1:here's the thing you still have a racetrack in between you and the field you do, but it's a very narrow track, very small track is, but it's not the same, like if you've been to a baseball game. It the cool thing about it is feeling like you were there close, like especially if you've got, you know you're sitting at the fence. I don't feel like I'm at the fence.
Speaker 2:Well, they're gonna put some seats I think close there to like the like inside the the track from what I understood.
Speaker 1:Yes, overly expensive that, oh, very few people. Yeah, we won't be able to you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like it's just you're. You're not giving just the everyday fan a chance to have that it still might be like a once in a lifetime thing to say, hey, I was there no, I.
Speaker 1:So I just don't like it. I really don't like it. I I just think it's so much like oh, we want to do this because it's cool. You're not really doing it for the fan. That's not truly for the fan. The fan doesn't really want that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got to show you a picture. Take a look at the picture and then tell me what you think of it, of how they're going to do it.
Speaker 1:See if you still say, no, that's not me, no, that's awful. So here's the thing. I went to Truist for the first time this year the Braves Park yeah, I haven't been to it since it was at the new stadium. I went to Turner several times growing up. Truist is not a huge place Like Turner was actually pretty big because it was made for the Olympics. The only reason they were there is because the Olympics was in Atlanta in 96. And they ended up staying there. Well, then they built Truist. It actually holds less people, but there's not a bad seat there. You can literally see really, really clear from everywhere. We actually sat right next to the press box, straight behind home plate, just to the left of it, and tickets were awesome. That's a big thing to me. I want to be able to see from everywhere I'm at.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing there is no fan anywhere close to the, to the wall in the outfield oh no, they're not like that that is terrible, it's going to be across the the racetrack even even then, because of the way a racetrack has, they have buildings for, for different maintenance, for different things. You can't tell me it's not in the way. Oh, it's definitely in the way. So that's why I'm like this doesn't make sense to me. Yep, honestly Okay. So if you, obviously we'll probably try to get Brian to post this picture We'll send it to him, get him to post it.
Speaker 2:I want to be at the bottom of the racetrack either, like you said, because of things being in in the way I need.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, there's a higher like right here behind, but who can afford those?
Speaker 2:yeah, like that's all gonna be, you know, team people and you know, I feel the same way about nascar and really a lot of events. I would prefer to watch stuff on tv, um, then be there in person, just because it's easier to keep up with and all the story.
Speaker 1:So, like this, this game I would much rather watch on tv. Typically a ball game, I like being at a lot of them. This one I would.
Speaker 2:I would hate that it to me, it would be that just to say I, you know, if they only do it one time I'm glad I was there.
Speaker 1:I'm glad I missed.
Speaker 2:It, didn't miss out see, oh, you gotta hate.
Speaker 1:We just found your hate you say it's always me hating I just don't like it's funny because a baseball field has made the dimensions, it's made for a reason and then you build the stands around it. I know this is so wrong.
Speaker 2:I get talked about this all the time, so I'm sitting here across from tyler and the disgust on his face Is like why would you?
Speaker 1:do this and I talked about it during bowl season Because Carolina football, they played their game at Fenway At one point.
Speaker 2:The foul pool.
Speaker 1:Was blocking. It's no different than playing this baseball game at a racetrack. It's stupid. It makes no sense to me, so if you're playing, baseball play on a baseball field.
Speaker 2:If you want to go in the NASCAR, have NASCAR races.
Speaker 1:Race on NASCAR.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's not a crazy idea?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's such a crazy idea.
Speaker 2:Play your sport where it belongs, don't play football in the baseball stadium or baseball in the NASCAR track.
Speaker 1:Unless you're in Oakland. Oakland, because there for a while they shared that like crazy.
Speaker 2:The baseball and football was on the same exact place.
Speaker 1:You know hockey rinks and monster trucks and everything in the world in the arenas you go all the way back. I remember many, many, many years ago when it first kind of started. Carolina and Michigan State played on an aircraft carrier. Yeah, I remember that. That to me should be an exhibition, not a regular season game. I agree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the moisture that was on the floor and stuff that they kept slipping, literally the wind affecting jump shots. That's true, I didn't think about the wind.
Speaker 1:You don't have that indoors, playing outside I mean, we've played a lot of outdoor- just played a lot of like outdoor just fun, rec rec style ball.
Speaker 2:Some windy days it's all layups, nobody's shooting much. All of the um, the big indoor stadiums, basketball and a lot of football there can easily change out for other sporting events, sure, like I said, whether it's a truck, hockey, concerts, whatever, why don't we get baseball like that? Like like, do you not think they could change out something in in a large nfl stadium to put a baseball stadium in and make it look like it belongs, like for a baseball and nfl to share the stadium, kind of thing?
Speaker 1:so I say no. And the only reason I say that is because, especially when you start talking about baseball versus football and kind of how they shared that so way back when, when the raiders and the a's were doing it, the infield stayed on always, so there was dirt on the field always. Yeah, we don't like that. And then you would have the. The lines were still on the field when the baseball came around because they're like oh look how far it actually is from first to uh, from third to first. Yeah, it's like a 40-yard throw. Well, you know, it was kind of interesting because it was a one-off. But the maintenance on the stuff is just so different. Like talking with Will. You know he's the head coach at the local high school here and he's like just the way that you edge it is going to be different, like there's going to be a lip and they are doing maintenance year-round.
Speaker 1:There's no like off-season so like you, just I don't feel like that would make sense, yeah like in indoors, yeah, I mean, there's places that have a basketball game and then the next night there's a hockey uh game in the same place, followed by a concert the same day monster trucks.
Speaker 2:I mean it's a whole lot different.
Speaker 1:Moving in, because the floor is interchangeable, you're just popping the floor off, yeah, when you're starting talking grass or turf or dirt or something like that it just changes it a lot.
Speaker 2:I can't remember where it is. I believe there's an NFL stadium somewhere, but they actually pull the grass out and it's real grass.
Speaker 3:And it sits outside.
Speaker 1:Is it Arizona? Okay, yeah, so they can actually drop it and it can go outside and so they can have real grass and then bring it in and so on. So now that to me is probably gonna be the future of the nfl, because we're really starting to see everybody going away from the turf stuff because the injuries, the there's a lot that's going on with it, especially kind of in the soccer world. Um, I'm not big into soccer, don't really follow much, but as soon as you have somebody like leonel messi making a comment which, whether you know soccer or not, you've probably heard that name, yeah, and he's like hey, we got to get away from turf, like it's hurting everybody, it's killing our ankles, our knees, our everything. So if he says it, they're going to listen, yeah. And so you're starting to see a lot of people like very quickly hey, we need natural grass again.
Speaker 2:So you know, you had the big jump from grass to turf, like all the local schools have it inside, unless you do something like Arizona does and pull it out.
Speaker 1:Well, very few people are building domes anymore. They're either retractable roof or awning style thing. They're not doing true domes.
Speaker 2:The retractable roof does it. I guess it can have real grass in it. I don't know if it'd get the same amount of sunlight and things that.
Speaker 1:Well, really, the only time they close it is if it's bad weather.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like to me, if it's nice, whether it's cold or not, leave it open. Who cares?
Speaker 2:What do you think about the Cowboys Stadium with all the glass in that just blinds everybody?
Speaker 1:Jerry's an idiot. That's Jerry's world. He built it like that and he's stupid.
Speaker 2:I bet nobody ever even thought about that. They wanted this aesthetic, they wanted this modern look wanted this, of course, not aesthetic. They wanted this modern look yeah, and glasses we did all this glass and it was like, oh yeah, we forgot about the sun. I'm in my, in my other life I have, yeah, I'm in the glass industry and glass is modern. It's very modern.
Speaker 1:It's a very modern. You can do a lot of cool stuff, absolutely absolutely but yeah, then you're just blinded players with sun. They can't see the ball coming, so I gotta start talking about stuff I like I'm getting to be you today, you are.
Speaker 2:I mean, you're hating a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1:No, it's just. I mean, I can remember there was one game in particular this year. The receiver was blind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember seeing that.
Speaker 1:The sun was coming through and it was like we couldn't see it would have been there. You should have did the ball different at the beginning of the game, knowing by that point you'd be going the opposite. It's like really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. So Jerry's like hey, you need to use this to your advantage to make the other team, yeah.
Speaker 1:And to me like we're talking NFL Pro like the highest level in the world. Yeah, that shouldn't be a thing.
Speaker 2:If we're either team.
Speaker 1:It's just dumb.
Speaker 2:I'm sure at the outdoor arenas. That is a thought that coaches have to keep in mind, like what time of day we're playing.
Speaker 1:You have shadows, you have wind, you have a lot of that I get that Even in high school I remember playing teams, that one team specifically.
Speaker 2:they would leave the away team on their home side because it got shadowed so much and you would freeze to death over there they'd be over in the sun, you know, just feeling good.
Speaker 1:So there's some strategy in that if it's an outdoor place like you kind of know what to look for more because it's more natural, like you're used to, you know there's gonna be way.
Speaker 2:You don't expect it.
Speaker 1:You know there's gonna be some new indoor state, but you're like this multi-billion dollar facility that's indoor and I'm being blinded by the glare off of windows.
Speaker 2:Like that's weird to me. Okay, this is getting weird. Let's get you off the hate stuff. I know you got to get. So let's just go on into this and let's let you start love it, hate it this week because we got to get you off of hate it. We got to get you saying you love something we're going to.
Speaker 1:Well, so I love a lot of things, and there's been a lot of stuff in the past week or so, you know, on a small side of like loving the weather from last week. You know, just some of the warmth was so nice. Probably the biggest thing, though, that I love and I've had no desire to love this for a very long time Uh-oh, I'm not a very long time. Oh, I'm not a Lakers fan Okay, but that trade made the NBA relevant again, Did it really? Okay, I watched, I stayed up, you watched the NBA. I stayed up and watched from tip to about third quarter, when I finally just was out of it. You know, I mean, I was out of the whole time. I'm not gonna lie, was out of it. You know, I mean, I was out of it the whole time. I'm not going to lie, I was out of it the whole time, but I was like trying to watch it, texting Brad a little bit back and forth and Luca being on the Lakers with LeBron. Even LeBron looked different.
Speaker 3:He was like playing defense, Like we had just talked about like oh he's not played on-ball defense, he was rotating, he was, you know, going for stuff.
Speaker 1:I'm like they are energized. I mean they, they honestly they signed another guy, um, a seven foot center, to have some more depth there. But the center that they have he was a lottery pick. And me and brad, kind of, were going through some drafts the other night, like just hating on some of these teams that just pick some horrible, horrible stuff that just didn't pan out and we were kind of talking about this one and we're like, yeah, but every big man that's played with Luka has looked really good. Yeah, like he's made guys that are not any good be relevant.
Speaker 2:I did not see your love it going anywhere near the NBA, I know.
Speaker 1:So literally like. So, brad's been a Lakers fan my whole life. I can remember it forever. He's probably the largest Kobe fan on this side of the country. Just the way it is, but it was really. It was actually a fun game to watch and they're playing the Jazz. The Jazz were awful.
Speaker 2:The Jazz are possibly the worst team in the basketball industry. Was it a 150-point game again?
Speaker 1:It was about 120,.
Speaker 2:I think Well that's not as bad.
Speaker 1:They scored 40 in the first first and it was just like clicking uh, luca does a little turnaround fader for his first bucket, you know, hits a three. Right after that he's making passes. They just looked. It looked lively. It looked like a very different game from what I feel like we've been watching in the nba. Yeah, so, yes, my love it. Even I know it's pouring right now. My love it. I was very surprised that it was going to be about the NBA, but to me, the NBA had nothing going for it and they just absolutely made themselves.
Speaker 1:They put themselves back on the map which is kind of exciting because I want to watch the Lakers again. I don't like the Lakers. Honestly, I'm not a LeBron fan.
Speaker 2:A lot of people was taken back by the trade. That happened and surprised.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, maybe there was some point. Maybe it's going to help Listen. The Lakers have already won the trade. Anthony Davis got another. For how many years in a row was this a non-contact injury again? And at this point they're like, oh, he's out indefinite, he may not return this year, so you just traded you just traded one of the big mega stars of the league for a guy that, in my opinion, is a great stats guy but doesn't win you ball games. He's gonna have numbers but he doesn't translate to wins.
Speaker 2:Yeah, luca took them to the finals and then he got injured already and he's hurt already and the, the mavs, gosh they're.
Speaker 1:They have everybody hurt right now, but the lakers, you know, by signing alex lynn, another seven footer, they've got hayes, which is seven footer, you're gonna be, a lakers fan, for you know it, I'm not gonna be a lakers fan, but they're a fun team to watch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you know, go back to the days of playing 2k, like that's the team everybody's gonna play with. Now, I mean you've got shooters, I mean reeves, I mean their. Their whole team is huge. At this point, their shortest guy is gonna be like six six. Well, let's see if it translates and their depth will be questionable.
Speaker 1:but I mean austin reeves, if he plays as well as he's been playing. If dalton necht comes in, you know, because the trade, you know he was traded to the hornets, it it failed, it didn't work. And the Williams guy that was traded from the Hornets he's wanting to buy out, he may still sign with the Lakers even without the trade. He may still be there, so it's going to be interesting to see, so Lakers is going to end up really little.
Speaker 2:It sounds like Lakers could be tough.
Speaker 1:And they were already good, Like they're in the third seed, so it's not like they're looking to really crash. You know, getting to come up to all-star game which I don't care about at all.
Speaker 2:I'd like to hear more about that trade, cause that's just an odd trade, kind of almost out of nowhere.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I read more today about it. So here's the thing We'll go into more NBA. I want to hear your hate it first. Okay, newest segment love it, hate it. Um, at some point we'll have kind of an intro to that. I've been working on one, but it just hasn't worked yet, so I'll get a better intro than me just talking as much as he was hating.
Speaker 2:I thought I was gonna have to come up with something no, no, I definitely had to love it.
Speaker 1:It was a. It was an easy one to think this week.
Speaker 2:So for me, I realize that my hate, it's that the, the things that I truly hate in life are minor inconveniences let's say that way okay, I get that most people don't care and it is that is. That's kind of the point a little bit it's not major things, okay, and I completely understand that, but most of them are things that are.
Speaker 2:Also, I'm not the only one that makes fun of them for it, so no, just fy most of them are inconveniences that I feel could be easily changed, and that's the problem, you know, we don't need to be so many changes. So mine today, because I I usually try to let something come naturally and I try to figure out. Something happens in my life that I just hate, and this is gonna sound so, so minor, but I hate it and you're gonna know what I'm talking about I'm sure I already do so I no.
Speaker 2:No, you have no clue, as I'm telling you it's gonna be out random oh gosh so I I'm a a meat eater.
Speaker 2:I love steak and just any kind of meats with that. I love to get beef jerky and slim js and all that kind of stuff. Okay, and you get beef jerky at the store and you kind of peel it open and you can get it open. Today I grabbed I think it was today I grabbed a Slim Jim. Okay, Okay, and if you've ever opened a Slim Jim, there's only one way to do it and you've got to take the top and you kind of got to.
Speaker 1:There's two ways.
Speaker 2:No, well, each end maybe? No, there's two ways. Are you going to use your teeth? No, anyways, you grab it and you pull the top and you rip it open.
Speaker 1:That's one way. The other way they separate the top and they actually peel away from each other, but they don't half the time. That's the point.
Speaker 2:I've always had pull them open. So you're saying you need to hit the gym? No, what I'm saying is, I think, the Slim Jim I picked up. Like somebody in the factory said, let's put like five different layers of plastic on this one just to make it hard for somebody to open.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:So again, I realize this is so minor, but I absolutely hate the way we open slim jims. There has to be a better way to open plastic.
Speaker 1:I mean, come on, it's plastic. You're the only person I've ever heard complain about I told you it's something that makes no difference in anything.
Speaker 2:No, it does, because when you want the slim jim and you can't get the stupid thing open and you gotta find a knife or something or you gotta rip your teeth, I've never had it.
Speaker 1:I've never had to grab scissors, I've never had to do anything other than use my fingers.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm don't tell you. I just don't understand that you don't eat enough of them to run into those problem ones well one.
Speaker 1:They're way too expensive like they're way overpriced.
Speaker 2:Yes, two, I'm not going to pick a slim gem over like regular beef jerky so my wife will occasionally get them at the grocery store and bring home a box of little small ones. So I'll grab a couple here and there, and it happened to me today. I'll open it up, get one. I'm going to grab another one on the way out. The door Can't get it open. I mean I just opened one in front of it, like, come on, how hard could this be? You're right, it should not be that hard, it shouldn't? You're right, it shouldn't be. So it's a minor convenience. I realize it. Please don't everybody attack me.
Speaker 1:I get it all right. So, slim jim, if you're listening, uh, I'll send you his address. You just send him some, but like, super glue them, duct tape them, like make them even harder no see, I'm gonna go ahead to their competitor because the beef jerky guys the beef jerky guys.
Speaker 2:They have it where you can easily, but that's not even the same thing. But what's?
Speaker 1:their competitor, though it's both. I don't think that, like slim, jim truly has a competitor, because it is so different than the other.
Speaker 2:So you're saying they feel like they got it locked up so much that they can just package it however they want and they don't care if you open it or not yeah, listen, we don't know what's inside those.
Speaker 1:Well, we don't, right I?
Speaker 2:mean don't tell me exactly, exactly the rodent. You're eating the dog the cat, who knows what it is. You know, there's been a few things throughout uh food existence, I guess you'd say the toy stuff, a package, some things are just so difficult to open they don't need to be. When you're hungry and you want something, the last thing you want is you can't get it open great song, by the way is that why you're dancing, or?
Speaker 1:no, I just.
Speaker 2:It's a little head bob what do you call it but?
Speaker 1:uh, a little stained.
Speaker 2:I mean it's now stained is good. I do want to say, if anybody wants to send me some slim jims, I'm not like offended by it, hey.
Speaker 1:Brian, I'm going to text you this week and we're going to try to figure out how we can make them even more difficult to open. Let's find some epoxy or some.
Speaker 2:No, it won't matter. Let's make it worse. You can rip them open. Let's make it worse. I don't know that you can make it worse.
Speaker 1:Stand by. I can do that. That's my goals for next week to find a way to make it even harder If they keep it up.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to say no more Slim Jims in the house. We're going beef jerky. Bold face lie. We're going to just straight up beef jerky.
Speaker 1:So back to the NBA. So I did actually read, though, though it was very interesting, the idea of you know everybody's kind of in the impression.
Speaker 2:The Lakers were the first call, they were the third call hmm, okay, so Dallas was shopping, don't you what you're trying to say? Not?
Speaker 1:really openly shopping, but they were kind of looking see if anybody was interested in Lucas so I don't know what order what made them want to get rid of Lucas?
Speaker 1:So me and Brad talked about this a lot, him being a Lakers fan. We talked about what we see when a big guy like that gets traded. They automatically are like well, lucas, wait, look at all the pictures he's taken him playing the other night. He's not out of shape. Okay, he's not out of shape, but I feel like I could look the same in that jersey. He does, and I'm not in shape, so he he's he has no definition.
Speaker 1:Like you see a lot of no, but he's a lot of those european guys don't though. Yeah, I mean, look at jokic. I mean he's, he's won how many mvps and when I doesn't even look like he plays basketball.
Speaker 2:When I saw the the pale skin and the yellow leggers jersey, I was like that's's about how I would look at it.
Speaker 1:That's just his complexion. That's a little different, but physically, like we've seen him bigger, he's not in bad shape. So for them they're like well, locker room, potential locker room issues, we don't see him really, you know, taking us forward. I think they forgot. He literally just took them to the finals. He took them to the finals.
Speaker 2:That was not a good team. You're kind of jumping on the bandwagon. You're gonna be one of those band I like Luca.
Speaker 1:I like Luca okay, I did even at the Mavericks I I think he is. Just some of the stuff he can do is incredible. Um, more of a guard version of Dirk, and Dirk was one of my all-time favorite players. I love Dirk and Bitsky. So some of the stuff Luca does I I really do like. I do think he's one. He gets too many technicals. He gets a little too big for his britches sometimes. And just another little southern saying there too.
Speaker 2:You don't talk about the way I say Louisville and you're saying too big for his britches.
Speaker 1:That's a pretty common saying though he does get a few too many technicals stuff like that, but animated. The European guy is a little bit different when it comes to that. So I don't know in what order the Mavericks made these phone calls, but the rumor going around now is they called Milwaukee and tried to get Giannis. They said no, Even though Giannis has kind of already said I'm not re-signing because they're not trying to win, so that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:On Dallas' part no, but Dallas is because they're not trying to win, so that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:So, no, but dallas is the one trying, sorry, yeah, yeah. So for me, if I'm the bucks, I'm thinking he's not gonna sign anyways, let's go get somebody big. And then they called minnesota and tried to get anthony edwards, which I don't think he's one that they would move for anything at this point. He's younger, he's a superstar, like he's.
Speaker 2:He's like three or four years younger so it sounds like dallas is like okay, we want to get rid of luca they were trying to see what big name we could get for him.
Speaker 1:But then going to the lakers. That to me was the worst of the three options. Well, the others said no, so yeah, but like I feel like if you really were trying, like I feel like you could have got more than what they got.
Speaker 2:I mean, I remember, uh, you know, playing ps5 or xbox back in the day and, and you know, we'd make some crazy trades just to get two good guys on the team oh yeah, because it was just more fun to play that way play that way, but yeah, I mean but dallas was really like we want rid of him like I just nothing against anthony davis but they were like we're going to take Anthony Davis oh everything against Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1:Every team he's been at has not been successful, Like he didn't win them a championship. That was LeBron that did that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like he did nothing in New Orleans. I mean, he had stats but he didn't have wins.
Speaker 2:He hasn't been in that many teams.
Speaker 1:So that's the thing. Like, statistically, he gets stats, but I don't feel like we've ever seen him translate stats to wins. A lot of guys may not even have stats, but they translate wins just because of all the things that they do If he can stay healthy.
Speaker 2:He can't.
Speaker 1:He's never.
Speaker 2:We might have seen something at Dallas. I don't think. That's why I'm curious.
Speaker 3:I don't know that we would.
Speaker 2:I don't know that anybody can be a star on the same team as LeBron be a star on the same team as LeBron.
Speaker 1:I mean. Miami did it. They won multiple championships.
Speaker 2:I'm saying in today the way LeBron is right now with his son coming up.
Speaker 1:No, I'll say this it looks pretty evident to me from the little bit that we've seen. Lebron knows he's the second best player on the team.
Speaker 2:Does he know that? Okay, it's going to take that.
Speaker 1:I just think it's pretty obvious to LeBron if you go get a true superstar of the current league, lebron's no longer a superstar of the current league. Lebron was a superstar.
Speaker 2:Is he on his way out?
Speaker 1:I mean, he'll even tell you he's only got maybe two left, maybe, and that's if he can stay healthy. Yeah, which he's done a good job, his whole career staying pretty healthy. I, his whole career staying pretty healthy.
Speaker 2:I just can't like LeBron. There's just been something he's 40. Like physically, you just don't recover the same. I've never been a LeBron fan. You know Cleveland, miami, you know they had the big three and this big, huge yeah. So I didn't like how that? What was that show that they did beforehand? They did the Decision, the Decision.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I didn't like how all that went down.
Speaker 2:It just felt very kind of ridiculous I feel like he flops a lot and whines a lot, complains the refs a lot. It's just never been my favorite the game is very different.
Speaker 1:I will say that the game is very, very different than what it used to be. It's not my favorite of the game. Um, there is no defense, it's all offensive minded. Um, but again, so you talk about not liking LeBron. I didn't really realize this, but talking with Brad the other night about the Lakers, because we were watching this game, he hated Jordan, hated Jordan. He loved to hate him. Now he still recognized Jordan as the greatest of all time. Well, I mean, but he said I love to hate Jordan. I wanted to see him fail and he just didn't.
Speaker 2:But also Brad's a Kobe fan. Brad was a huge Kobe fan. So who would Brad have as a GOAT? Has he told you Jordan? Yeah, he told me. I was wondering, being a Kobe fan.
Speaker 1:He is Jordan Kobe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm the same way. He is one. Two Jordan Kobe I am the same way.
Speaker 1:So actually, what we ended up doing, and I I want to have Brad on the podcast and I feel like this would be a fun topic to talk about for all of us. Going through the top five per position.
Speaker 3:Because that to me is way easier. That's a way easier thing to do.
Speaker 2:It's hard to compare big men to guards and stuff like that, right.
Speaker 1:So basically saying, all right, let's just talk about the top five point guards, then let's talk about the top five, you know, of every position we let's just talk about the top five point guards.
Speaker 3:Then let's talk about the top five, you know, of every position. We kind of started going through.
Speaker 1:It's really it really wasn't that bad Cause. Most of them is kind of like we saw some lists and it's like, okay, that's right, this is way wrong. Like there's a lot of these people are wanting to put people in there from the forties and fifties and those guys aren't as good as a role player today. It's such a different game. It's so hard to compare that.
Speaker 2:Well, but there's a lot of people today say that about Jordan's era, so I think you're always going to have that Well.
Speaker 1:So people say that. But go back and watch any of that. There was studs in the league. Some of those dudes were studs on defense. Some of those dudes like you take a Sean Kemp. The man could only dunk the ball. He really didn't have much else and he was a stud at the time. But I mean you're talking. I mean Jordan played against. I mean he played against Shaq, played against Kobe, he played against Rodman when he was at the Pistons he played against Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 1:He played against studs, like not just like everybody's like. Well, he played against a Thomas. He played against studs, everybody's like well. He played against a bunch of plumbers. I didn't see the plumbers, I don't know where they're at. They're back in the 40s maybe, but the 90s was arguably. To me, the 90s, early 2000s, was the best NBA has ever been. It was physical, it was aggressive, it was good basketball.
Speaker 2:And they still had some shooting. I know now the emphasis is on scoring. They want to score high numbers. That's exciting. I still feel like they did a lot of shooting back then. You had three-point specialists that could hit a lot of shots.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, the only reason Steve Kerr was in the NBA is because he was a shooter, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 1:But we also had the guys that could be flashy and dunk made his career off of being, you know, that flashier, run-my-mouth type player, like he was the earlier version of that. But yeah, I mean, there was really really good teams back then. So it was hard to say, you know, everybody's like, well, this is the best basketball has ever been. I don't agree with that, because it's again 140 to 140. That's not basketball. That's like we're playing one-sided.
Speaker 2:So you know, college is two 20-minute quarter or halves Two 20-minute halves. Which is so weird to me that we still do that at college basketball.
Speaker 1:It's the only the only one that still does it is men's college basketball.
Speaker 2:I think it comes back to TV timeouts and stuff, because women's doesn't do it either was the NBA 60 minute games 15 minute yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so 60 minute games you just said that now I can't even think of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought it was four 15 minute quarters. Why are we scoring 150 towards college scoring what? 60, 70s a lot of times?
Speaker 1:I know we get some teams scoring more. Here's the thing. Yes, the NBA is way better than any. Sorry, it's 48 minutes, 12 minute quarters.
Speaker 2:So only 8 minutes more than a college game.
Speaker 1:And yes, you're right, they are better players, there's way more skill because obviously, just because you go to the biggest of big teams doesn't mean you're going to make the NBA, but should they double on average the points that college teams are shooting in 8 more minutes In? College, we still see defense. No, that's my point. Like the high scoring in college, we still see defense. No, that's my point. Like the high scoring in college, like if you see 100 to a 90 game, that was high scoring.
Speaker 1:You don't see that much Like the big games are still like 70 to 70, 80 to 80.
Speaker 2:Like you don't see the 100 to 100 types, but the NBA, that's any given night I think you even see players who in college were great scorers but not to that level. And then they go in the nba and they're they're hitting 50 a night and stuff.
Speaker 1:it's like it's, there's no defense. I mean it's until you get to the playoffs, and then we get to the playoffs and we'll start seeing 100 to 100. I want to see those scores, like they do when we get to play because.
Speaker 1:So you start talking the playoffs. Even just go back as recent as mavericks versus Heat when LeBron was there it was 90-90. Yeah, like we were late in the fourth quarter, still in the 80s. I want to see that again Like that to me was better, that was a better product. Who said that's boring.
Speaker 2:Let's get this going now Adam. Silver. But I mean, do you think it's? Is that what this generation wants, the ones younger than us? Is that what this generation wants, the ones younger than us?
Speaker 1:So this generation is built on highlights. So obviously you know not to sound old, but like everybody wants the highlight clip, is that a Curry thing. I don't think it helped.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, I'm not blaming him for it, but I mean as a whole as a whole, like you are going to see dunks and you're going to see three-pointers Like you don't see much of. Even Lucas still shoots a lot of mid range, like his little turnaround fade away. That's as much a highlight as any other, but it's, it's not. It's not flashy enough. Yeah, so you know, I don't, I don't know it's, I don't like the product of the NBA currently. Um, product of the NBA currently. I think this trade helped because it just brought some attention, but I don't think as a whole, it's in a great place. I think they've got some stuff to figure out. I think allowing some defense to come back would help.
Speaker 1:But, I think we're a long way from that coming back.
Speaker 2:You know I like seeing a big that can shoot threes you know, Kevin Durant or something like that, but I want to see you go to the basket Like you're a big dude.
Speaker 1:But that's the thing. Kevin Durant's not a big, he's tall but he's not a big.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the thing. I get what you're saying he's basically a guard.
Speaker 1:He's like a 6'10 guard. He claims seven foot. Man, he's seven foot.
Speaker 2:In his interviews he's like yeah, I'm not really he.
Speaker 1:No, but I'm not saying we've got to go back to the days of Elijah Wan and Abdul-Jabbar and Shaxx. We're not going to go back to that. I get that it's all about stretching the floor now, but that doesn't mean we still can't play defense. Anybody that wants to argue that NBA plays defense now, you're not watching it. I don't think they play defense. You're not watching it. I mean, here I'll pull up ESPN right now If you NBA games.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think it would be hard to guard a big. If a big can truly shoot threes. Okay, what did you say, kevin Durant? If you can truly shoot threes and go to the basket, it's hard. Do you step out on them or do you try to let them drive past you?
Speaker 1:You know so I could see that A lot of these guys though they don't, they don't care to play much defense, cause it's not, it's not the cool thing to do.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they're not. They're not. They're not working hard to be a better defender.
Speaker 1:I'm going to out shoot you, Like you, you may have a guy that's like I'll be a shot blocker, but that's a highlight, that's different. Blocking at the rim, that's a whole different ball game than playing good on-ball defense or knowing how to switch. Well, not a great player. But you go back to Del Vidova when he was on Cleveland, played some amazing defense there in the finals and he literally was like I almost died.
Speaker 2:I was taking IVs and like I was done chasing curry well, I mean when you're playing as many games as I play you know, and the injuries they get um, maybe they don't want to, maybe they're just said we're just going to out shoot you and if I can't, so I know I know this is an overtime game, but this is just one overtime.
Speaker 1:Okay, and they only scored a combined 23 points in overtime. Okay, 149 to 148. Yeah, that's not fun to me. Nicks, nicks and hawks, so we're not even talking about like the two top tier.
Speaker 2:what that tells me, without even watching the game, is they ran up and down the floor and took, like first shot, most of the time just a deep shot. There was not many passing, there was not no defense.
Speaker 1:The first quarter was 38-29. Then it was 31-30. Then the third came out 41-36. The fourth 36-33. That is crazy numbers.
Speaker 2:That's the thing I hate with NBA too. You don't see a lot of ball movement. It's ISO. I'm going to come up and just shoot myself.
Speaker 1:So Atlanta lost this game, okay, and they shot 50% from the field. Yeah, 110 shots.
Speaker 2:That's a lot.
Speaker 1:That's a lot in a game.
Speaker 2:That's a lot. So what's the total shots for the?
Speaker 1:game the Knicks only shot 94 shots.
Speaker 2:But still, you're over.
Speaker 1:No for the game.
Speaker 2:The knicks only shot 94 shots. But still you're over. No, that's still a lot.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying you're over 200 shots in a 48 minute game. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a lot of shots in a very average there, like that's yeah crazy. So what we say about 200?
Speaker 2:in a 48 minute game. Yeah, it's actually more than 200, but yeah, it was more than 200, 200.
Speaker 1:But God that's a lot A shot a minute is 60.
Speaker 2:You know what? 48 minutes, so 48 shots.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so double that. So because each team You'll say that there's a shot per team, per minute.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, but that means each team is taking a shot every 30 seconds.
Speaker 3:That's still less than 100.
Speaker 1:I know right. Still, you know less than 100. I know that's what I'm saying. So there we get it. There's 24 second shot clock, so you do have things that are pushing it, but not to that level.
Speaker 2:But that tells me they're taking shots early in the shot clock to get that many shots in a game and with that, okay, do you want?
Speaker 1:you don't take a guess on three pointers, because you know that's the hot thing of the of the league uh, 200 shots.
Speaker 2:I bet 60 to 70 of them was three-pointers, probably You're saying total yeah, across both teams.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the Hawks took 38. Okay, the Knicks took 26. Yeah, so, yeah, you're at 60. Yeah, or just over 60.
Speaker 2:So out of 200 shots, 60 of them were three-pointers. Yeah, that's not fun to me. Now, if you're moving the ball around, you've got some offense going and then you take an open three-five.
Speaker 1:I'll bet you that there was retention on it, because score like that's what? Well, I don't necessarily think there's retention. The league thinks everybody just wants a crazy amount of scoring. I don't, I don't either. I mean, here's another one Cleveland beat Toronto. Here's the thing If you score 108 points, you should win, you should they lost by 25.
Speaker 2:They scored 108 losses for them 131 to 108. Yeah, do not tell me they're defensive league, brooklyn and Philadelphia.
Speaker 1:I'm okay with this. 196. Okay, an NBA game should be around there. I'm okay with this. 196. An NBA game should be around there. I'm okay with it. Orlando just beat Charlotte 102-86. But that's not the norm 9-9 out. We're seeing the 120s with everyone, and that's just. That's not fun to me. I like the full form of basketball. I like to see both sides of the ball. I like to see all that. So I'm just not fun to me. No, I agree on that. I like the full form of basketball. I like to see both sides of the ball. I like to see all that. So I'm just not crazy about this. Not even talking about run and gun. It's just you put all your emphasis on can a guy score?
Speaker 2:Could we would it help at all, I guess, with what we're seeing to move the three-point line back?
Speaker 3:I mean, these guys are taking it so deep.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it matters.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like most of these guys are even shooting right there at it. Some of your bigs they train like right there on the line.
Speaker 2:Let's go back like the olden days. Let's get rid of the three-point line.
Speaker 1:Let's make them go faster.
Speaker 2:Gosh, that would change the game so much. But wouldn't it be way, something, way back when now I almost think it would bring something back to the game to get rid of it, because it's become?
Speaker 1:so much of just that. They've even said at that one point like oh what, what if we added a four-point line?
Speaker 2:now we don't do that, don't, don't make it even worse let's start giving five from half court, and then we'll just start jacking up shots from half court all the time yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, guys like curry, like, like dame, like they're shooting from logo, anyways, they've got so much reach I would love to see today's players play a game with no three-point line.
Speaker 2:I just wonder what would they do. Would they still take the deep shots? There's no point to it at the moment.
Speaker 1:I think a guy like Curry, you'd still shoot deep some because that's a great shot for him. For some guys maybe not. I think you'd see a lot more downhill, but still I think that's a great shot for him. For some guys maybe not. I think you'd see a lot more downhill, but still I think you'd see some high scoring games. It'd just be on less point, like it'd be high scoring for what it is a lot of shots just doesn't yeah because there's it's just not defense played the same way.
Speaker 1:It's just not like again. I know the game is very different and I'm not saying I want to go back to be 75, 75 like I Like. I'm okay with 110-110. Like I'm okay with that, but a team shouldn't score 130 every night.
Speaker 2:I never want to be that. You know, old guy, that's just upset because it ain't the way it was. No, like I understand it's going to change. I'm not looking at that.
Speaker 1:It's going to get faster paced, like I think this is the most athletic the league has ever been. I do agree with that, because I think in every position your bigs are so much more athletic than they used to be. Oh yeah, because they get up and down the court they're stretching they're shooting, you're right. Everybody is athletic. The athleticism is through the roof.
Speaker 2:That's what gets me with Luka, because I don't look at him as an athlete, in that he's not super fast.
Speaker 1:He's not very quick, but basketball iq is there yeah, like he, he may be more as a basketball player like he. He has the full bag.
Speaker 1:I mean his, his handles, his, the shots that he takes I love handles or no, no see, I don't really think he's fat right now a lot of people do okay um, maybe off season, luca will get a little bit bigger, but um, actually, I do think it's probably really good for him to be with LeBron though, because, regardless of what you think of LeBron, he's a physical specimen has been his whole career. Somebody like Luca will probably learn a lot from somebody like that. Here's how you're going to be better than you already are. Let's keep you on the right path.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to cut you off, but I'm a little disappointed because our truck hasn't went by tonight.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't even think about that. We talked about that on a phone call today. We did. But no, I haven't heard him. We were saying we're going to flag him down one day. No, listen, that thing's way lighter than the rain.
Speaker 2:He didn't get drowned out by the rain.
Speaker 1:Maybe his window doesn't roll up or something and so he didn't want to drive it out in the rain. That's possible.
Speaker 2:It's a beater, I mean it's definitely yeah, listen, I'm not hating, I've had him, I've owned him. Don't get me too. We've all had beaters. I'm not saying that, but it's very possible to get you down the road.
Speaker 1:By all means, drive it do we need to send a search party?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Do you think he got worried? Was going to try to get him on the?
Speaker 1:podcast in the podcast go search for him.
Speaker 2:We're getting worried about him you know I'm, he can't live that far away as much as he comes down here.
Speaker 1:No, I say he's.
Speaker 2:He's through here all the time he lives here coming to friends house, something all the time so yeah I'm just gonna have to get out and drive down the road until I find the truck be like you.
Speaker 1:Okay, man, yeah, just checking.
Speaker 2:We'll go down there, find the truck on on a jack or something. Something broke on it or whatever.
Speaker 1:But he started listening. I got me a muffler.
Speaker 2:Is that what it is? He got a muffler, who knows, maybe?
Speaker 1:we didn't hear him. Maybe that's what happened.
Speaker 2:He came back quietly.
Speaker 1:Maybe he bought a new truck, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:We need to put a poll up on that.
Speaker 1:What do you think happened to truck guy? Yeah, lab, truck guy.
Speaker 2:Did? It was his window broken. He couldn't drive in the rain. Was he abducted, who knows?
Speaker 1:Now we're getting into abducted. It could be anywhere, it could be, anywhere. Call Liam Neeson, he'll get you, it's fine.
Speaker 3:He's got a certain set of skills.
Speaker 2:He has a specific set of skills.
Speaker 1:He's got the skills. He'll take care of it.
Speaker 2:That's what everybody goes to. On those movies which I only saw the first one I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't really care much for him, it was okay um I never watched the others yeah, I mean I feel like you've seen one, you've seen them all. Yeah, I'm sure I like they're just pretty much the same thing. Yeah, well, this was an nba heavy podcast at this point tonight. Like we really got into that way more than I guess I anticipated it, because we don't talk about much nba. But you know, like I said, the trade made it relevant you're uh luca fan.
Speaker 2:I guess I'm gonna try to watch luca I do like luca, I really do. I've liked him for a while I think I'm gonna have to start um, I don't know, I'm gonna start getting on somebody else, just so I can trash the lakers when you talk about them I mean I don't, I can't, I don't think I could be a Lakers fan.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, brad, I just don't think I could truly be a Lakers fan. But I do like Luka. I mean, he's the number one selling jersey.
Speaker 2:Like you can't get one at this point I was that way. End of Kobe's career. I was never a Lakers fan, but you're a Kobe fan. But I love to watch Kobe play.
Speaker 1:I got you.
Speaker 2:So I get that, which I don't really truly have an NBA team.
Speaker 1:I don't know that I've ever just truly had one.
Speaker 2:I've liked different teams Growing up.
Speaker 1:I was a Chicago fan, but you were a Jordan fan. That was different.
Speaker 2:The whole team was just awesome.
Speaker 1:I was a Mavericks fan for a long time because of Dirk. Yeah, that was it. I wasn't truly a Mavericks fan. I was a Dirk fan. Yeah, truly a Mavericks fan. I was a Dirk fan, yeah, so I don't know, at some point I probably will have to find me a true team to jump on we got a team here in Charlotte and one in Atlanta and they both suck.
Speaker 2:I mean, are you going to be one of those guys that jump on the best team?
Speaker 1:No, I'll jump on a player that I truly like, like I think that's what it, so I'm definitely not that like for for nba or really nfl, like I cheer for the cowboys, but I don't have the same feel towards that as I do like basketball.
Speaker 2:At one time I had easier to the guys that were the patriots fans and the you know alabama football fans, your patriot fans.
Speaker 1:You were probably like a Tar Heel or Duke basketball fan. It was like every team that was winning a championship.
Speaker 2:that's my favorite team, so you know I have a reason because I have a connection, but I get that sometimes because of a Kentucky basketball fan, ohio State football fan. Like well, you just picked two different.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing. I have connections too. I'm going to keep saying this for as long as I can. Kentucky underperformed for the last 15 years.
Speaker 2:I hear you.
Speaker 1:I think you've started to understand more of what I'm saying. I'm not saying you necessarily disagree.
Speaker 2:I don't necessarily mean that it depends on what you're looking for. The last five, 100%. The first five years were pretty good. The first five, really. What did he do? Several final fours in a championship, one right, one championship, okay, correct. But what is your metric for succeeding? Because how many?
Speaker 1:here's what, what we found out. If you don't know, obviously david's a big UK basketball fan. In the 15 years that Kyle Perry was coached there, he had 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's 5-0 draft picks. And if you don't know much about the NBA, there's only two rounds Like it is the smallest draft of all major sports To get drafted in the NBA. That's a huge accomplishment to me, like baseball, there's a million rounds Football.
Speaker 2:There's a huge accomplishment to me. Like baseball, there's a million rounds Football, there's seven. Cal had a year where he had several drafts that same year and he made a comment this is the greatest day in UK history and he got a lot of backlash for it because Kentucky has so much history.
Speaker 1:A championship means more than that.
Speaker 2:So that's my point. When you look at Cal, Cal was more interested in getting players to the league than he was winning championships.
Speaker 1:But fans weren't.
Speaker 2:No, fans weren't. So in his mind he was succeeding, he was doing what he wanted to do and his belief was let me get the best players here, They'll win his championships.
Speaker 1:But that doesn't mean he succeeded as a team 100%, because here's the thing he had 50 draft picks, 38, 36 or 30. Draft picks 38, 36 or 30, I think it's 36. Actually 36 were first round okay. So over half for first round, 25 of those were lottery picks, yeah, and out of that he got one championship.
Speaker 2:He did that blows my mind. I would argue. When you bring all those guys together, they don't always fit as a team. You're just bringing a bunch of athletes, superstars, in trying to get them on the league.
Speaker 1:Listen, I agree with that. So here's the thing I will say Kyle Perry is probably the greatest recruiter in college basketball history. I don't know that you'll ever see a guy like that again. I don't think he's a very good coach, and that's where, as a Kentucky fan, it was like okay names, you can watch all these guys win the NBA, but you weren't getting championships. You got one, you got some Final Fours. In the last 15 years, carolina has quadrupled your championship with way less quality. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 1:The teams that Kentucky had they're like. Oh, we made it to the Elite Eight.
Speaker 2:That's why Kentucky was finally ready. The fans were like, okay, we got to move on, because it was always well, we've got this group coming in next year. And Kentucky fans were finally like we've seen this year after year it doesn't matter who you bring in, If you don't coach them right, have the right rotations, they're not going to win.
Speaker 1:So that's to me I will die on the hill. Calipari is not a good basketball coach. Coach, I don't argue with that at all. I am saying coach as a true basketball coach. He doesn't coach defense well, he doesn't really coach the team well. He just needs really good guys that can kind of go out and play, because that's what he did at Kentucky.
Speaker 2:I am curious though first five years at Kentucky and back into Memphis UMass could the main coach Because he didn't have as much talent then he was doing pretty well yeah, derrick Rose yeah but that's one guy I mean. But they also got beat. They lost Kansas.
Speaker 1:So that's the thing is like again. It's like Brad Stevens taking Butler there back-to-back years. They still lost and it was kind of a fluke that they made it back. I mean, don't get me wrong, they almost beat Duke that one year and then they didn't come close. But if you go.
Speaker 2:look like again this last five years. Cal was horrible. I might even say two or three years before that. So I would say five to eight years is when Calabria had his run, and I don't know how many teams win multiple championships in that, you know, five-year span. Obviously, uconn just did it Well, so but here's Obviously, UConn just did it.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing. Even then, how many times did he make it to the championship? It wasn't many. He made some final fours All those five years he didn't actually make it there.
Speaker 2:Obviously the one they won and I think one other. They made it there in that five years. Then a couple final fours. Like I said, the first five I can't argue. The first five was pretty dang good. He still wasn't a good coach, I'm not going to say he was.
Speaker 1:Like I said, when you have 25 lottery picks that's unheard of.
Speaker 2:As he went on in his career, he tried to stay with the same mindset when he's in Arkansas. It's not working.
Speaker 1:He won a couple games recently, which is hard. The game has changed a lot now, especially now with NIL. It evens the field out.
Speaker 2:He never changed with times when everybody started shooting threes.
Speaker 1:He didn't no.
Speaker 2:Everybody started getting older players. He was still getting the young one-and-dones and experience started beating talent, Yep and he was more focused on let me get these young guys help, help them get to the league, help their families, which is commendable. Like he's done a lot of great stuff, Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1:It's like on the other end of that spectrum the Tar Heels will be good every four years. We're going to go win a championship every four years, or at least be there, because we're going to have the juniors and seniors.
Speaker 2:They're going to go do it, but you might win more championships. Like you said, cal got one.
Speaker 1:Oh won, oh, I, I definitely think, I don't know, now it's not gonna be as flashy stay as much. But yeah, I mean they, they go one year, get beat on the last second by villanova, win the next one. Like you're in it two straight years. That's a big deal. It is um, like so that's the whole thing. Like yukon winning the last two is a huge deal, like we haven't seen that since florida did it with billy donovan yep so very subtle.
Speaker 2:I mean there's a lot of coaches like go look it up the list and I just pulled up to get your exact number active coaches right now in in college basketball that have won more than one championship well.
Speaker 1:so if you look at the list now it's a little skewed because they've all retired, like in the, the very recent. Most of those guys have all retired because you know, roy williams retired a couple years ago or a few years ago now, coach K a few years ago, like the guys that were really doing it, you know.
Speaker 2:But you're still not going to get many over. How many teams 360-some you know Division I teams.
Speaker 1:Yeah, basketball, there's so many more D1 teams than there is. So you don't get that many, and then, if you're lucky enough, to get two, three is like almost unheard of, for it's got, it's got to stretch out a long career, yeah long career.
Speaker 2:So now I contribute that to the tournament being so random, because you can put the best team out there five years in a row and you might win one of them just because of the way you match up with a team, or yeah, I mean I, I do get that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean there's. I definitely don't think we're gonna see hurley win a third. There'd have to be some changes because uconn, so uconn. Early in the year I was still kind of big on because I'm like they'll they'll figure it out.
Speaker 3:You're falling off they.
Speaker 1:they probably get back in the top 25 now because they just beat um creon who was ranked. So you know we'll see it, but just holding on. Selection Sunday is coming up soon.
Speaker 2:I say we got to be getting close. We don't have much.
Speaker 2:I'm enjoying college basketball right now. It's one of those weird things, because college basketball, if you really enjoy it, you don't want it to end, but you also really want to get to the tournament. Yeah, so you know, what do you hope for? You know longer season that you don't get to the tournament, or let's get there and get enough with. So I don't know, this year is going to be fun to watch that first weekend. I think of the tournament Just because there could be any upsets anywhere. Yeah, I think of the tournament Just because there could be any upsets anywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I agree, I do agree, and I love the tournament. Gosh, it excites me so much. There's just games all day.
Speaker 2:But then, when it's over, it's over. I hate that.
Speaker 1:It's any sport, though I hate that the NFL's over NFL playoffs are fantastic. Not a huge one this season, but the playoffs are fantastic, so it's just, it's tough. Um, I see how they're looking up, but what are you?
Speaker 2:pulling up over there. Well, I mean roy williams, in a 15 year span, did win three. So good coach.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm not, not, I just it was one of the first that I saw no uh, that would definitely something we talk about later, because I I do want to do kind of a uh coaching, kind of a coaching tier tier list at some point we kind of talk about, because there's some coaches that, like Calipari, gets into a higher tier because of his recruiting. Some of those guys get it for different reasons, but it does put them in a higher kind of echelon than others, that's still part of it, so I think it still makes you a good coach.
Speaker 2:Now, coach saying coach, not like you're coaching the team on the court.
Speaker 1:So much he's not the x and o's guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not nice, no guy still makes a good coach, but what for you would have made cows. If cow wins two in those first 10 years, do you say, all right, he was successful. Yeah, see, so it's just one away. But do you know how there were so?
Speaker 1:many times he was so close. I get it, but the whole thing is with those teams to be 1% better in X's and O's or 1% better on coaching defense throughout the year, because, like we saw in big games, the guys didn't know how to switch on defense. The guy like little things, it's like hey, I learned that in middle school.
Speaker 2:He was so close so many times and I just couldn't put it away. Just like the 38-1 season. That was a crazy season, but then you lost.
Speaker 1:So it's like you lost to a Wisconsin team in the final four and I'm not saying you were one of these fans, but there's so many UK fans that were like but we only lost one game, but you didn't win.
Speaker 2:Like who fans that were like, but we only lost one game, but you didn't win, like who cares. So that's what's tough, because it is a crazy uh stat to have a team that went 38 no, until they got, you know, to the final four. Well, but it's. But you didn't have a championship, it's no different than the warriors.
Speaker 1:The warriors finished with the best regular season ever and didn't win a championship. So like, like you. Just you have to be able to complete it. It's more than just a season. Like you have to like the craziest thing. Like you have to be, you have to stay healthy. You have to do all the things. Like there's so much to it.
Speaker 2:That's where I hate the, the one thing I hate about the tournament. I'd like to see a best two out of three or something possible with that many teams, that just ruins it.
Speaker 1:The magic of it is the one and done. You've got to be better.
Speaker 2:But that's where I would see a little difference with what the Warriors did. They couldn't win a series to keep going.
Speaker 1:They were up 3-1, though Kentucky lost one game that's so easy to do. The game they lost. You could even say well, they played better than they ever have, play better defense, and they don't get to play better. Well, so Like there's still like there's a lot of things that's.
Speaker 2:The one guy on Kentucky's team, alex Porthris, that could have made a difference. He didn't play in that game, he was out, so he was the guy that would have guarded him.
Speaker 1:It's like one guy doesn't make a team. Who was that Like?
Speaker 2:So they had Kaminsky, they had Decker, they had a few guys I think Kaminsky's the one that beat them that Porthos would have defended, basically.
Speaker 1:But at the same time it's like okay, you're saying one guy on a 38-0 team. Somebody else has got to be able to play defense, oh I agree with that. So it's like that's where and it's as a fan, and I'm not saying you, but literally as a fan, everybody has an excuse saying you, but I, literally, as a fan, everybody has an excuse and it's like okay, your team should be better than do you like. It's not like saying we were out of lebron, lebron wasn't there, okay, no, no, I agree that.
Speaker 2:I think that's a cow issue I think.
Speaker 1:No, I agree.
Speaker 2:I agree with that yeah, that's what it comes down to, uh, but I still think it's a great accomplishment. So again, I know you know your big thing lately cow under underachieved and I agree, but he still did a lot of good stuff. Even though I don't want him at Kentucky, I'm glad he's gone. You can't forget what he did while he was there.
Speaker 1:I mean, the only thing that I feel like he actually did was bring relevance. He brought relevance back, that's it.
Speaker 2:That's Kentucky. They didn't need relevance.
Speaker 1:They kind of did. They were on that path. Well, they had two years of a bad coach, that's it. We have it, carolina.
Speaker 2:But you're still relevant. You're still Carolina.
Speaker 1:But we're on the path of not being.
Speaker 2:You don't need somebody to come save you. You're still Carolina. You're always going to be Carolina. Oh, we absolutely need saving right now. You need somebody else. We do two more years of this. We need saving.
Speaker 1:Well, if they let two more years go, that's the problem, like the difference in two to three, like you can't miss the way you're missing.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I agree with that. Kentucky had two years of bad coaching and said we can't do this no more, so I hope Carolina does that too.
Speaker 1:But this is the second time in my lifetime that we've done this, so it's like alright, we can't do this every 15 years, guys, we've got to figure it out.
Speaker 2:Now that I think about it, I'm a huge fan of him. You're a Hubert man, I'm a Hubert. Hubert would stay there forever. That's the greatest coach I've ever seen. I'm going to get on Facebook with everybody else to stay there forever.
Speaker 1:Listen, you were looking for an argument. I'll come argue with you on that one, does he?
Speaker 2:have a brother or something. We can go over to Duke while we're at it and get some of these people out.
Speaker 1:That's the only thing we agree on is the hatred for Duke.
Speaker 2:It is All right, guys?
Speaker 1:Well, we've been a little everywhere tonight, had a lot of fun Again, as always. Please, please, please, feel free to reach out to us. We're talking about it again today. We'd love to get some topics specifically from you guys and see what you want to talk about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to know what you want to hear us talk about.
Speaker 1:Again, david wants to argue with somebody on Facebook, so give him something to argue with you about.
Speaker 2:I mean I've got ammo, I'll give it to you. I'm not going to argue, I'm going to say yes, you are right, 100%.
Speaker 1:So Can I argue with that one? I'm going to find this recording and play it back to you when that happens.
Speaker 2:I just Because it's not going to. If anybody knows Truck Guy, loud Truck Guy, yeah, like tell him we're worried about him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd like to know that he's okay, we're going to go out and stop him in the middle of the road If he did buy a muffler.
Speaker 2:I'm probably going to go cut it off because I need to know when he's going to buy it. Gosh, no, Don't do that.
Speaker 1:Let him have his muffler. No, no, no Let him have his day. He Wow, that'd be a sad day. Well, on that note, we appreciate you guys coming to hang out with us and we will see you next week. Thanks, everybody.