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Remote Work, Golf Gimmicks, and Viral Video Buzz
Is the 9-5 workday truly a relic of the past, as we boldly claim? Discover why we believe that remote work is the inevitable future, reshaping our professional landscapes and daily lives. Join us for another lively episode of "Not A Music Podcast" as we navigate through the ever-changing worlds of sports, social media, and beyond. We get personal with a lighthearted story about Tyler's golf fashion preferences, share our excitement for the warm North Carolina weather, and dive into the buzz surrounding a viral Kevin Hart video that sparked a hilarious NFL debate.
We don't hold back as we break down controversial calls in football, particularly those involving the Kansas City Chiefs, and poke fun at the struggle to adapt to Twitter's transformation into "X." Our discussion touches on the potential for technological advances in sports officiating and how these could revolutionize games. From dissecting NFL rules and coaching decisions to pondering the endless anticipation of Cowboys fans, we explore the highs and lows of sports fandom with a candid and humorous lens.
Transitioning from the field to the green, our conversation shifts to the Tomorrow Golf League and the intriguing dynamics of Vanderbilt's basketball roster. We debate everything from the quirks of team line-ups seemingly full of "point guards" to the evolving aesthetics of golf tournaments. Wrapping up with the lighter side of sports, we question the traditional boundaries of baseball and motorsports while celebrating the Savannah Bananas’ entertaining approach. Our growing community of listeners keeps us motivated, and we extend our gratitude for the delightful interactions and support we've received from you all.
welcome back to the not a music podcast. I am tyler and I'm here with david. Welcome back to the Not A Music Podcast. I am Tyler and I'm here with David.
Speaker 1:Hello everyone Back with you again to have some fun. First, I want to remind all of you that we are proudly sponsored and brought to you by 4U Golf in Brevard, north Carolina, the only top tracer range in Western North Carolina, and if you haven't tried it or checked it out or looked us up, by all means go do so. Uh, it's a. It's been a lot of fun growing the place and and seeing what it's become compared to what it was when we, you know, open the place up yeah, it's getting back golf weather too, so we're ready for it yeah, I mean, we're february starts next week and it's well.
Speaker 1:It was january right now and it was 68 today.
Speaker 2:Oh, it felt amazing today awesome you know, last week and it's January right now, and it was 68 today. Oh, it felt amazing today. It was awesome. You know, last week, my hate it was the cold weather, and it's like somebody heard me. It's like we're changing this.
Speaker 1:The world listened to you and was like, yeah, we got you. Just stand by, thank you, we'll pick it up.
Speaker 2:We're already over.
Speaker 1:The problem is, though we kind of see this every year you get this little tease of spring, and then you'll get another little drop in cold weather and everybody gets sick and your sinuses go crazy.
Speaker 2:One time it'll do it like five times.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, well especially western north carolina. Like we'll go through a day you'll have all four seasons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like just it's awful awful awful but I'm ready for summer me too.
Speaker 1:Me too. I'm ready to be on a golf course. I'm so ready for that that.
Speaker 2:Hey, I saw the weather next week had a couple warm days and that first thing in my mind was like can golf courses open right now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I know a couple. Yeah, I know a few people we can call. I mean we've had a few connections.
Speaker 2:Might not be a bad idea. No, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1:Give Paul and Will a call and say let's go hit the course. You know they will.
Speaker 2:They will.
Speaker 1:You know they will.
Speaker 2:I just have to be able to wear shorts. It's just got to be warm enough for that.
Speaker 1:Dear Lord, back to that. It's okay to wear pants.
Speaker 2:I mean yes, but not play golf.
Speaker 1:That's weird, no, we talked about this, so you're Liv, not PGA.
Speaker 2:I'm all about Liv. Yeah, we've talked about this a little bit. I just have never found golf pants that are comfortable, and that's what it comes down to. I don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 1:Good thing. I know a place you can buy some.
Speaker 2:Who's that? For you, Golf you can you mean they have pants too?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's the one thing. Like we've ordered so much stuff so obviously For you. Golf carries Cobra, puma line of stuff as well as Callaway. We've gotten so many things and we've yet to order any shorts or pants. I know I'm like why?
Speaker 2:Well, we had you know a few shirts there last year and that went really well.
Speaker 1:Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2:We had a lot of shirts, but Hurricane kind of slowed up the shop a little bit, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1:But that's coming back, coming back very, very soon.
Speaker 2:Very soon.
Speaker 1:So Very, very soon, Very soon. So looking forward to that, Yep. So I want to start the week off. We I guess mistakenly, more than anything made a post that people really got behind.
Speaker 2:I think Brian had all intentions. He knew what was happening. Oh no, brian, listen.
Speaker 1:Brian's doing fantastic.
Speaker 2:He was on it.
Speaker 1:This is not a like Brian accidentally made it good. It was just the fact that our social media has not gone crazy or had anything that just had a ton of views. I mean, you know, we're getting just the normal stuff.
Speaker 2:Brian hit some nerves.
Speaker 1:He did.
Speaker 2:Now I have to say, if you haven't seen it it's on Not Amused Facebook. I don't know if it's on Instagram or not, not Amused podcast Facebook page. Yeah, and it's Kevin Hart basically making fun of Patrick Mahomes and how he has to tackle how you got to tackle him.
Speaker 1:Well, so the caption on the video is the NFL showing the Bills how they need to sack Patrick Mahomes if they don't want to get penalized. So obviously, if it's Kevin Hart, it's going to be something funny.
Speaker 2:It was funny.
Speaker 1:And they go through this whole thing, and it was. It's a really, really funny video, but it kind of just started getting a bunch of information and so me and some dude- from from, uh, chicago are messaging back and forth.
Speaker 2:I thought y'all was gonna fight there at one point. No, I mean so he, he is uh.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna shout you out rewill his very first post. Josh gets more calls than anyone in the league and I didn't know off the top of my head. So when you go look at it, josh Allen gets more roughing the passer calls per pass attempt than anyone in the league.
Speaker 1:And so I looked at that and I'm like okay, cool, I agree with that. Except then I also agreed with Dan, who later on says it's not the amount, it's the timing, and it feels like that was the most accurate. I've seen somebody say it in it's not that the Chiefs get a bunch of calls, it's when they get them, it's when they get them and I don't think this week was any different.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I keep seeing clips and I've seen.
Speaker 1:And it gets worse every time. I see it it does.
Speaker 2:Um, you know a friend of ours, marcus yeah, asked me today well, who you got winning super bowl chiefs? He's like oh, I don't want them. I said I don't want them to win. I don't either. They're gonna win like I. I just expect it with what we've seen and what it feels like I think they're gonna win yeah they're gonna get the calls they haven't announced who the officiating crew is.
Speaker 1:Um, because there's been a few crews this year for them that have been very, very biased. And it's getting worse because you keep having these Chiefs players that are like, well, we're just about winning, the refs aren't helping us, and it's like, of course, you're going to say that you don't need to be the one to say that.
Speaker 2:Well, if the refs are helping them anyway and I'm not saying they are it kind of feels weird at times. Okay, I'm saying it does? The players may not know it. They may be out there literally playing and just doing our best.
Speaker 1:At some point, though, you have to step back and say we're getting some help, We've gotten some pretty favorable stuff go our way.
Speaker 2:We talked about it before we started recording here and the third and fourth down that they called short both of them even a Chiefs player has to go back and look at that and go. Okay, wait a minute that was questionable.
Speaker 1:To me, the third down was more than anything. To me, the fourth down was hard to see. The third down. He looks like he's, at worst, inches inches short and they marked him almost a yard short and I was like that that's a bad. I thought that with that one.
Speaker 2:And then when I saw a still picture of the fourth down play and there's a Lyman lane on the yardage marker and you can see the ball above the Lyman, so you can kind of get a reference point by where the line crosses the Lyman's body Correct, and for that view gave me the point I can see he got, he got past that lineman's body where he's laying on the line.
Speaker 1:so here, here's something I found and it says the bills didn't do enough to win in the end. But and there's five basically key areas that they say the chiefs were basically given preferential treatment. Okay, so the first one says the pass to Worthy, that hit the ground, that was a pick, wasn't a pick.
Speaker 2:The one they were fighting over. I saw that.
Speaker 1:That did hit the ground, so I'm not sure if the ground moved it.
Speaker 2:That was a questionable one. I was watching that live and I thought it was a pick. Yeah, so I guess, he kind of ripped it in the air. I do hate the rule where it's you know.
Speaker 1:Basically, if they both have it, it automatically goes to the offense.
Speaker 2:That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:In what way? Like that's an odd one to me. And then it says I did see this. There should have been a delay, a game at the two-minute warning.
Speaker 2:I saw that too. The play clock.
Speaker 1:Yep and the game clock half a second difference. It was half a second, but the play clock ended before it got to two in the morning.
Speaker 2:Did you see? Mahomes went over and talked to the official about it beforehand.
Speaker 1:That's one of the easy ones Visually.
Speaker 2:No, You've got to run a play because it's not going to work, Tony Romo or whoever I think that's who it was called, I can't remember. He did make the comment that the NFL does allow it when it's like half second, like almost the same To me if one goes zero before the other goes zero, it's a delay game. It's a delay game, it is.
Speaker 1:It's pretty simple. So then you have Kelsey taunting Hamlin.
Speaker 2:I saw that too.
Speaker 1:Kelsey gets in Hamlin's face and then plays victim by flopping and it's like all right, like either man up and go be in somebody's face or just don't do it Like pick it I don't care which one you do, but just pick it. Multiple holds on Casey's punt return. I didn't see those. I didn't really pay attention to that very much.
Speaker 2:I did see a video of some holds, a couple. Even I was like I don't know if that's a hole there.
Speaker 1:But then there was a couple that I I would agree with. Well, there there was a couple of uh holds from some tackles on some defensive ends that I'm like how do we miss that? Uh, one guy just blatantly grabs his face mask and they didn't do a hands to the face and I'm like that was right in front of the officials like where are we missing these things at? And then obviously the fifth one was the fourth down where the top line judge comes through. Actually has it almost a yard forward.
Speaker 2:He has it as a first down.
Speaker 1:Runs around, a Chiefs player goes backwards, still has his first down and yet the other guy on the other end of the field that can't see the ball ultimately overruled. He overruled. So there's just too much weird for me that goes into this, and you know obviously we were making comments about Mahomes. Anytime it's a quarterback, you're going to just notice that kind of stuff more. They're the most recognized player on the field. You build your team around a quarterback basically, but the Chiefs as a whole feel like they just get quite a bit.
Speaker 2:It does seem that way, and that's such a hot topic apparently that we found out with the post and I didn't know that post had went up. And my phone just starts dinging and dinging. Yes, the next thing I know I see somebody kind of arguing with what you said and you go back and then I get to looking and there are so many comments. Yeah, and there are people arguing with each other. I threw in a comment just trying to get somebody to argue with me and they didn't, they couldn't no, they like to argue with me, but they don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure what that was about I mean, come on, I want to argue, guys, but um, I should I should? I'll go back and argue with you okay, I'll go back and just be like no, you're dumb, we're gonna have like 20 of just you, and I just mean you back and forth no, I did see this and I thought this was funny.
Speaker 1:This is a different um post. I'd seen uh from twitter and I really laughed at it, because me and you've talked about this and I want to stop you real quick, just and I don't mean to, because this is something I've been thinking about this week.
Speaker 2:Is it twitter for you, because I'm starting to see people move over to x I just call it twitter because that's what I'm used to.
Speaker 1:It just feels weird to call it x. I've said like I understand it's the X platform, but then you still people say you're tweeting and I'm like, well, you can't tweet on X.
Speaker 2:You tweet on Twitter. Are you X-ing? I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just guess I naturally do it. I've said X a couple of times, trying to honestly just say it and don't think about it, I guess I'm gonna say twitter, whatever. So it's sorry, sorry I'll call it x I'm not calling it x, no, it's, it's twitter.
Speaker 1:Well, elon, you can call him and complain I. I can't control when I try to yourself, so I know I know I I do go back and forth, though I'll say it both ways. I depends if I think about it or not, like when I'm just spitting it out. I kind of just naturally go to the old.
Speaker 2:Maybe it'll be. We tweet on X, like we can keep the tweet part, but maybe we'll try to call it X.
Speaker 1:And then here in like 10 years, everybody's like why do they call it tweet on X, Like all?
Speaker 1:these young kids are like why do they do that? Well, so I saw this post and you were very adamant about this. It's been a few. Read it exactly to you. I haven't said this to you, you haven't seen it, that I know of. Still amazing that a league with $22 billion in annual revenue measures first downs in 2025 with two refs figuring out where to spot the ball from 25 yards away and a couple of guys with two sticks and a chain 100% I don't know who put that on there, you like it.
Speaker 2:They're amazing.
Speaker 1:Andrew Brandt.
Speaker 2:Andrew Brandt, that is 100, right.
Speaker 1:I've been saying it forever so I had I had to screenshot that and save it. I was like I've got to read this to him because you were very adamant he must have heard maybe a month ago, I can't remember exactly, but it was one of those things. It's like we were talking about um what'd you say, andrew right?
Speaker 2:andrew alston, you're checking the mail.
Speaker 1:thanks for bringing we were talking about robot umpires and we talked about where can technology come in, and that was one of those that I'm like yeah, that's a no-brainer At that point we can take the officials out of it, because this is one of those. You know. I had a discussion with Will and we talked about baseball. Part of it with baseball like getting calls wrong sometimes. It's kind of part of the magic of baseball, like like the fact that different umpires have slightly different it is, but I don't like it like I want the two teams to decide.
Speaker 1:I don't mind you having a slightly different strike zone, because you figure that out pretty quickly in a game if you, if you allow an extra half inch compared to the guy before, but if you say that, then you got to be okay with officials in basketball officiating a little tighter or looser in games.
Speaker 1:And so I don't like it. I think it depends on on the area. So, growing up playing basketball, playing at all the levels that I did, I liked a referee that would allow posts to play physical where they're. You know, you can post up hard, you can, you can post up hard, you can, you can bang, do all these things. And it's not like if somebody's physical to me, I don't care. Like be physical, that's part, that's part of the game supposed to be. But when it's like every time you touch each other they're calling it's like all right, that's, that's a little bit much. But at the same time, if you tell me before the game, here's how we're gonna do it, okay, I kind of, I kind of know.
Speaker 1:I'm with that Part of it's knowing, I guess, is the big thing.
Speaker 2:But that's my thing with umpires in baseball or even the chains. We've talked about the officials running up and down the field trying to get the spot Right. Some are probably better at it than others.
Speaker 1:I guarantee. So I just the thing that always seems to use me is punts. Yes, yes, how do you know where that punt went out? Yeah, like that. That makes no sense, like you're seeing a ball 50 yards down the field.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, so watching that game. I had forgot about this because I ain't been watching much nfl I I love the playoffs, though playoffs are just a different oh my, they have ruined the kickoff um, yeah, I.
Speaker 1:I thought that at the beginning of the season like what are we doing?
Speaker 2:I'm not a fan of the kickoff I forgot about it because I hadn't watched the NFL much lately.
Speaker 1:Why are they lining up this way? Well?
Speaker 2:when I do watch it, it's usually in the middle of the game and I'm not just sitting there so focused on it.
Speaker 1:I catch every detail Kind of just more in the background.
Speaker 2:Yeah but for some reason it caught my attention this week and I went oh my gosh, I forgot about this. What are we doing?
Speaker 1:That's football. It's weird to me that we're seeing college still doing the traditional kickoff and then you go to NFL, which is supposed to be more difficult.
Speaker 2:It's the best of the best and we're saying, hey, you can't do that. I'm okay with what college did with the fair catches and different things to keep the collisions.
Speaker 1:Some of them are unnecessary, but the way the NFL is you can't move until the ball hits the ground. Yeah, it's just, I don't know, and you can only have two players back there in that zone. I feel like we're controlling something that, so I get it the. The issue is you had a couple of injuries, a couple of pretty bad injuries over how many years? But doesn't that just been more recent?
Speaker 2:I feel like that just looks stupid, like if we're going to get to this point, just no more kickoffs.
Speaker 1:Listen, I can't say much as a Cowboys fan if we're going to talk about looking stupid. We've Listen. I told Dad this the Cowboys have officially missed the 2026 playoffs.
Speaker 2:Already.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did you see the coach hire?
Speaker 2:I did yeah, playoffs already. Yeah, did you see the coach hire? I did yeah, what are they? Are you kidding me? Isn't the cowboys one of those that can go get anybody they?
Speaker 1:want, you would think, and we hire. I didn't want sanders, but I'd have been okay better than that. I want to say I'll be. I'll be honest with you. I don't remember if he's an offense or defense coordinator, but here's the problem. He was on our team this past year. Our offense couldn't score and our defense couldn't stop anybody. So why the heck are we hiring?
Speaker 2:the guy that can't do either. Man, we can't do anything. Let's fire the head coach and promote the guy under him.
Speaker 1:Promote the guy that couldn't do anything Like what are we doing here? Like you know, as a lifelong Cowboys fan born in Dallas, texas, jerry Jones, you are failing Like I just can't. I can't understand.
Speaker 2:Well, while we're on football too, and we've been talking about Mahomes and all this stuff and I do want to get your thoughts on, you know, the Super Bowl and everything that's come up there but something else that's been controversial and it comes into Mahomes. We've talked about his fake sliding and sliding all this stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I've been really thinking about it this week and I saw it in those games again and I'm on the wagon now. If you cross that line, you're a runner, you're running back, you're fair game. That's what it needs to be. So Tom Brady said that it needs to be 100%.
Speaker 1:The non-mobile guy that when he took off got laid out many times. He says to me once you take off running, you're like everybody else, you shouldn't get preferential treatment.
Speaker 2:When you hand the ball to a running back, he has no special treatment at all. It should be the same thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't like the fact that. Well, so one. It's football, it's supposed to be physical. The problem is you can tackle a quarterback in college any way you want you get to the NFL, well, you can't drag them down, you can't land on them, you can't like. It's just, we're already protecting them so much. And again I get it these are multi-million dollar a year, guys, you know tens of millions, because that's what you build your team around and they don't want to see all these guys get injured.
Speaker 2:So then don't have him run the ball.
Speaker 1:Be better Like build your offensive line, then Pay those guys, yeah, I agree, Like if you have a better offensive line your quarterback doesn't get hit as much.
Speaker 2:Yep like you're still gonna get sacked, but it's gonna be less so.
Speaker 1:Is the offensive line so bad that we got to protect quarterbacks? Now, is that what we've done? I mean, that's partly. I feel like we're prioritizing mobile and athletic quarterbacks because people are getting through more I'm, it's the fake slides and all this stuff bothers me.
Speaker 2:Or wait until last second to step out. You don't see their their review.
Speaker 1:they're looking at making that a reviewable play. They're looking at any slide by a quarterback is reviewable so that if, like we saw two weeks ago against Houston, Mahomes goes to slide, the defenders hit each other over top of him and they throw a flag. So they're saying stuff like that. It is polarizing enough that the league is saying, hey, maybe in the offseason we vote to review those.
Speaker 2:I don't want more reviews. If you're back in the pocket and you get hit late, all right, we'll get you some protection.
Speaker 1:So I don't want the reviews the way we do it now, because it's it's off site. You don't have to stop the game. They can be viewing it as soon as it ends. Yeah, and call it down like hey, nope that one's good, that has helped that that's helped speed it up a little bit.
Speaker 2:But I still. If you're a big enough boy to step across that line and run the ball, take what you get.
Speaker 1:If you're brave enough to take off. So I'm back and forth because I do get it. But a thing like this you lose a quarterback in the NFL, your season's effectively over, because I mean that's all they have these guys Now, unless you're the Eagles, because you give it to Barkley and he's going to go for 1,000 yards. I mean it's just, he's been unbelievable this year, really showing that pay a running back and you'll do better. The Giants have got to be kicking themselves, but everyone else, you put so much stock behind the franchise guy that I do see in a way protecting them some. I just almost feel like we're getting a little out of hand, but we're going a little too far.
Speaker 2:I'm okay protecting them, but then don't just let them run free and they can't no, you can't hit them now. That's my problem.
Speaker 1:Part of it I don't like is the well if they're giving themselves up out of bounds. We've already seen Mahomes fake that.
Speaker 2:Like he was going to go out of bounds and then ran for like 15 more yards. Now, to be fair, I've seen other players fake that out of bounds too. Oh.
Speaker 1:I have too. It's not just quarterbacks, it's one of those that I have seen, that and it's like. But if you hit him, they're going to say unnecessary roughness. If you're still in the field of play and you've not gotten yourself completely out of bounds yet, you may be on the way.
Speaker 2:But if you haven't stepped out, you should be hit. Well, and at what point can the defender not hit him? And what I mean by that is is if I'm on the edge, like I could stand right there on the sideline and just stand there and you run at me and I wait until you get two yards from me and step out. Well, you're already committed.
Speaker 1:You're laying me out. That's one of those to me like, if it's, you know, it's almost what they would say bang bang, play Like. You may step out, but I've already, I've let myself go into that you can't change your motion at that point.
Speaker 2:So they've got to figure out at what point can a defender running full speed actually slow down? Is it five yards away?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know if I'd necessarily say there's a yard part, because there's times like if a guy is kind of diving down, you see them adjust themselves and kind of roll over instead of really just full on hitting somebody, or kind of roll over instead of really just full on hitting somebody, or they may jump over at this point if the guy goes down. So there's some stuff that I think these guys are plenty athletic enough to do, but it's one of those that, like in everything, there's the gray areas, and right now so many people are living in that gray area and getting the call, so we're making that gray area more black and white than it should be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm getting tired of it in every sport, to be honest with you, and you're always going to have gray areas, but it's you will.
Speaker 1:I mean, I saw part of the interesting thing of sports. Like we know, officials are not supposed to be liked, but I also. They shouldn't be not liked. No, but it's just the thing about it. An official, they blow a whistle. If you are cheering for a team that gets a foul called on them or a penalty called on them, you're never going to like it. You're going to say that's a bad call. Heck, half the time fans say it's a bad call when it was a blatant call, I'm with you there.
Speaker 2:I say that all the time.
Speaker 1:You're not going to like the officials anyways, but at the same time, you shouldn't control a game so much that I know who you are as an official. Knowing officials' names is crazy to me, because I don't feel like growing up I ever knew any of them. And now it's like we know a lot of them in a lot of sports and it's like, why do we know them at this point?
Speaker 2:yeah, we just shouldn't. I'm okay with them being an acknowledgement.
Speaker 1:I appreciate what they do oh it's, I listen, I'll, I'll badmouth an official all day long.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to do it and I am, I'm not, I'm not the official type I'm a hundred percent okay with some mistakes. They're human, they're going to make bad calls, they're going to mess up.
Speaker 1:But part of that. I think that's what makes some of the sports fun.
Speaker 2:But some of it feels, when the same guys keep making these calls, almost feels like, okay, they're not just making mistakes. I see what you're saying. There's some intent here for something. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:So I don't know that I necessarily think that for something I don't know why I mean.
Speaker 2:So I don't know that I necessarily think that I think some of them are just bad. That could be true, like they're just bad at their job.
Speaker 1:We should be able to get rid of you.
Speaker 2:If you're bad, yeah, like this whole unionized thing, like I don't care about that Again, I'm going to go ahead and say Kansas City, just because of the way everything's gone, and I hate them.
Speaker 1:I don't want them to win. It's hard for me again as a Cowboys fan. I watched this game last week and the NFC is going to be either the Cowboys or the Commanders or, excuse me, the Eagles or the Commanders. It's a Cowboy division team. It's like I don't really want either of them. Those are division rivalries. But I do like jalen hurts. There's something about him. I've liked him for a long time. Um, seeing him through college. I mean he's just.
Speaker 1:He's just a ball player man he goes out there and he just plays. I would love to see him get his first super bowl um, you know, there a couple years ago getting beat. I, I'm, I'm gonna go with the eagles. That that's my selection. I am excited that it's in New Orleans. That's a really good stadium for it. It's a good Super Bowl town. I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 2:But I would love to see the Eagles go down there and pick up a game. Now. Here's what's funny to me, and we'll see what I'm doing. I don't know how much of it I'll watch, to be honest with you because I don't care that much about either team.
Speaker 1:I think Kansas City's going to win. I think viewership on it will be very high Because it's kind of like I said last week you either are watching to cheer on Kansas City, you're watching to cheer on the Eagles, or you're watching hoping that Kansas City loses. Yep, I mean because here's the thing Kansas City has grown a pretty big fan base. That is pretty solid. There's probably no better fan base than Philadelphia fans in any sport. Those fans are crazy.
Speaker 2:They won it. What a few years ago? I can't remember what year it was.
Speaker 1:It was before they got Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know it wasn't him. I can't remember what year it was, but they've had one not that long ago. Which Kansas City's had what? How many? Two straight? They're going for three in a row. Okay, I can't remember if there was one or two.
Speaker 1:No, they're going for three in a row Because they're.
Speaker 2:Isn't so isn't Andy Reid maybe the best Philadelphia coach and the best Kansas City coach? Something like that Quite possibly.
Speaker 1:Because you've got to think they're for a while. I don't know about way back when the Eagles had Andy Reid still the Donovan McNabb era they went to the Super Bowl like three straight years and lost, but they were there consistently and again growing up as a Cowboys fan some Tony Romo era get to the playoffs couldn't win a game Couldn't win, yep. It's like, man, I'm sick of seeing the Eagles get there Like we've got to do better, especially like you beat them in the regular season but don't beat them.
Speaker 2:Can't win a playoff game, yeah that was totally Romo Losing to some teams that should not have lost to. You know it'd be funny if they wouldn't let him do a playoff game on here's the thing you can't lose at the booth, maybe.
Speaker 1:I don't know and the thing about it is, statistically he was a fantastic quarterback. He was like during the regular season. He put up great numbers, very few turnovers, won ball games, just could not. Could not do anything in playoffs, yeah it's frustrating 1995. It's the last, last Super Bowl for the Cowboys, and that's that's a long time.
Speaker 2:I remember that yeah.
Speaker 1:I was five years old so I don't remember it greatly, but I do remember kind of that. You're getting into sports more.
Speaker 2:I was in third grade, so I don't know exactly what I was, but I was in third grade, gotcha, so a long long time ago. Yeah, I mean gosh, I feel old so you've done this to me last week, so I'm gonna go and put you on the spot right now. Since we're talking about football, I gotta hate it right now oh okay, because it's in football.
Speaker 1:We're talking about football so for those of you that don't know, we started a segment a couple weeks ago love it and hate it. Typically, david hates a lot of things, so it's really easy for them to think of these hate it. I'm not going to argue with that. I'm more of a just I like things, I want to like things, so I kind of just do no. So it kind of fits.
Speaker 2:I am the voice of reason for the people. Because everybody hates it. But nobody will say it. Here we go.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, we all hate everything so you don't want to say you have, you have a hate it.
Speaker 2:I have a hate and I'm ready to hear it and this goes it doesn't matter in false football but I'm talking nfl, college, whatever level, I don't care high school, whatever but I am so sick, especially of guys who's in college d1 big time schools, nfl making millions that can't tackle anybody. I've watched these games over and over and over and I'm like I had youth players I used to coach that could tackle better than these guys. Like, what are we doing anymore with tackling football? I hate it. Guys will get hit five times and just keep running.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean there's some pretty famous plays of that, I agree.
Speaker 2:It's ridiculous that a professional football player can't tackle. And I hate it.
Speaker 1:See, you know I'm right, you hate it too I mean I don't, I don't hate it, because I mean it does make for some highlights, it does make for some fun plays. Um, obviously, form tackling is not common anymore.
Speaker 2:Let's slap arm over there let's you know, give them a little pat on the back as they go by because we don't know how to tackle, or let me put my head down and slide beside him.
Speaker 1:You, let's keep running that is they just so scared to get a penalty because everything I feel like any big hit anymore is penalized.
Speaker 2:I think they suck.
Speaker 2:That's what it is so any of you nfl players or formal nfl players you suck is what I heard, david said yes, if you can't tackle, if you tackle like I keep seeing on tv get good, because I don't know it's it's been going on for a while and it just bothers me and bothers me, and bothers me. And you see the like you say you see the big runs and it looks like the running back or receiver, whoever's running, it just looks so good. And you see the like you say you see the big runs and it looks like the running back or receiver, whoever's running, it just looks so good. And you go back and watch. I'm like, yeah, they're pretty good, but five guys could attack him if they just put two arms on him. Grabbed a hold of something would have been that difficult. I think it's like the um, how college basketball and the nba before college basketball went to like offensive shooting and everything.
Speaker 2:I think everybody's so focused on scoring or making the big highlight that all the fundamentals just gets put to the side.
Speaker 1:Scoring points in any sport basketball, football, whatever it is that sells tickets, that's a good tackle A 3-0 game, nothing game. Everybody's gonna sit back and say that was boring. We're just so you, this whole. You know reels and tiktok, like everything.
Speaker 2:Like we don't have the attention span, so maybe that's part maybe I would be curious to hear from somebody that knows what are we doing? Different tackling and I know at one point uh, even I think urban, my ohio state, was teaching that other kind of what. Does it grab and twist and try to pull them down, or so I don't know something weird, instead of just wrap your man up and tackle them? So I want I don't know if they're trying to teach a different style. Maybe it's injuries, maybe it's they don't care about tackling as much anymore, they don't teach it as much. I don't know what it is, but to see guys at these levels miss the tackles they miss is just pretty furiating at times. To be honest with you, one of your words furiating.
Speaker 1:It's a big old word.
Speaker 2:Infuriating.
Speaker 1:Infuriating. So you know you're quarterback coaching here. You're just fed up with it.
Speaker 2:I you know you're quarterback coaching here. You're just. You're fed up with it. I'm fed up with it. You're couch coaching, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Whatever you want to call it, just tackle Well. So my love it for the week and I've been thinking about it a little bit kind of all week, kind of back and forth, it'll be a little sappy. No, so my love it for the week is we're on episode 11, I believe Yep, as a small podcast, as two unknown people basically when it comes to this world.
Speaker 2:I love.
Speaker 1:Speak for yourself.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm going to first trip up on there.
Speaker 1:You think, whatever you need to think, I love this small little fan base that has already started to form for us. That is super, super supportive. I I love hearing you know, getting a, getting a text message or getting something that's like, hey, we, we thought this was hilarious or we love this. Or seeing you know some Facebook stuff, see some Instagram stuff, and it feels like it's the same people all the time and and again. This is not like our parents and our wives, like it's it's been. You know people, some people that I didn't think would ever listen.
Speaker 2:I think you said your parents don't listen.
Speaker 1:So uh, my dad barely knows how to use technology, so that's a little different. Um, you know my brother's big, big fan of the show. Um, our buddy, will you know our buddy, paul, like all these guys that they, when we first talked about us doing it james, by the way oh, jay, yes, absolutely, james listens see I got you, james, I got you yeah, this after you talked crap about it last week, so I didn't come on now I got a reminder of that I got your neighbor.
Speaker 1:So just hearing some of the stuff from them that when we originally talked about it, they're like, yeah, I mean you guys could probably do that, and it wasn't that they were not supportive, it's just they didn't really know. And then getting to do it and it's like, oh yeah, it's actually been a lot, a lot more fun and and kind of better than what what they anticipate it being Um obviously I still don't know how good it is, but some people seem to enjoy a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just think so far, like we're, we're having some fun with it and really seeing seeing some growth with it, and I've loved to see, even just in these you know 10, 11 weeks, how much it's gone from the start.
Speaker 2:It's continuing to grow.
Speaker 1:I'm loving that and I'm loving to think about six months from now. Where would we be?
Speaker 2:See, I can agree with your love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but then you'll have some negative about it. At some point You'll be like, yeah, but I could do without Will or I could do without somebody.
Speaker 2:Why did you pick out Will? Just because he does the three clicks? Why did you pick out Will? Just because he does the three clicks?
Speaker 1:That doesn't mean anything, Mainly because every time we see Will he makes fun of you about ham sandwiches he does. So I figured that would be the first one.
Speaker 2:Since you brought it up, I'm going to clear it up right now. Okay, clear this up, because this has been running rampant.
Speaker 1:Okay, so here's the thing you can say. You're going to clear it up. It's not.
Speaker 2:I mean I can anyways. So I like ham sandwiches. The conversation we had was talking about like the ham you bake for Christmas and getting rolls and putting that on it. I don't want to put that ham on any kind of bread.
Speaker 1:Now, if you go to the deli and get some lunch meat ham.
Speaker 2:I'll make a ham sandwich, put some cheese on there, some Miracle Whip. I'm good to go, but don't be taking the good.
Speaker 1:Christmas ham and putting it on bread. That's a waste. Christmas ham on a Hawaiian roll Like that's fantastic.
Speaker 2:No, you just ruined it. See, there you go. You ruined everything. That's the way it is.
Speaker 1:Oh, dear lord, why do I put up with you some days?
Speaker 2:I'm not really sure, just need you and just sit over here and talk by myself well, you know, I thought I was gonna get that last week, but your voice came back and yeah, it's a little bit better.
Speaker 1:I did, I say that and there I cough. Yeah, it's gotten a little bit better, so a little scratchy, but I think it's all this time of year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this time of year gets me every year because I noticed when I listened to the podcast back, I'm like man, I gotta get some cough drops or something, didn't realize, realize, I was as bad as I was. Yeah it's, you know, like you said, the weather and the I don't know dry air or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1:Well, I know there's a few of you that like that we talk about this next topic every week, and a few that you're like I don't even know what that is. So TGL, tomorrow Golf League, had the two founders playing against each other this week. They did. You had Tiger Woods and the Jupiter team against Rory McIlroy and the Boston team. Yep, and it's the first week we've had a close match that it actually went into overtime and was decided in overtime, because all the other weeks have just been absolute blowouts. Yep, I'm going to tell you right now.
Speaker 2:I don't like overtime. You don't like overtime, I don't like overtime?
Speaker 1:Of course you don't. No, here we are. I mean, we just started the topic.
Speaker 2:It wasn't good.
Speaker 1:Why do you think that?
Speaker 2:I was in a meeting Monday evening and didn't get to watch it. And I came home and I realized I'd missed it and so I got on YouTube TV, shout out YouTube TV. I love YouTube TV and it was coming back on again at 1.30 in the morning. So I set my thing to record it and the next night I had a little time. I'm like, okay, I'm going to watch it back. It was decent, I'm getting into it. I'll be honest with you. I thought I'll turn it on while I'm working on something else and I ended up really watching it.
Speaker 1:And that makes me happy, because I was so excited about it and I'm like I need somebody else to kind of feel the way. I'm kind of getting into it and you're starting to come around. I am.
Speaker 2:I'm excited about that Picked a team, yet Well, I Atlanta, okay, so I'm still leaning that way. Nobody else is really, which are so early.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we haven't really seen the guys much.
Speaker 2:I'm still leaning Atlanta right now I'll watch them again. I saw I was telling you about it like a triple match day. It's like President's Day, it's on a Monday, which is going to be really weird, right? So yeah, I don't want to just jump through it, but you know the the playoff is just the closest to the pin yeah and a couple of guys did horrible, like they couldn't even get it over the little ridge on the green, so it wasn't even close.
Speaker 1:I I like the idea of the overtime that they do because it's a we're not going to drag this out. We're going going to say hit it close, you win, don't you lose.
Speaker 2:I wonder if it's something to do with that artificial green, if it really threw a couple guys off, because a couple of them kind of hit into the little ridge on the green and it never got over, and both of them on Boston, it just hit right into it and died.
Speaker 1:And the other two on Jupiter got it over. It was over quick. So I have seen they're taking a little bit of time to get used to this green. I think it actually Spins a little bit more than they expect it to. It's way more responsive To the spin that they Take. A real green would be, you know, kind of hit it into the Hill, let it bounce up and then kind of sit. Instead it's kind of Taking all the spin into the hill and just dying.
Speaker 2:And dies yep.
Speaker 1:So I think as we go on, the guys will get a little bit more used to it. I love that. Kevin Kisner weekly is now becoming the joke of the league. You know he hits a ball and he's you know. If I hit it in the water one more time, I'm just going to I'll remove myself. And water one more time yeah, I'm, I'm just gonna, I'll remove myself.
Speaker 3:And then they quickly were like oh yeah, by the way, you didn't hit the water, that was lava. That was lava on this hole.
Speaker 1:I remember saying to go get that one yeah, and he's like you know whatever same thing, and so they're. They're kind of finding their legs in a few things. I still just need a two-man broadcast booth. I think that's what will really. I think that could really make it a big difference.
Speaker 2:So they've done a better job. Hearing what the players said, I thought to to feel some of that time and that empty space, but it's still. You can hear the players talking a lot in the background while there are other people talking. I got you and that's. It's really the moments that they're saying the funniest stuff and kind of giving each other a hard time, and so really we're hearing it in the wrong time. We are okay.
Speaker 2:There were some clips that came out um last week, I guess it was like a few days after yep, and the clips were way more entertaining than what they actually had on tv yeah, I, I agree with that and that's what I want to see on on the broadcast.
Speaker 2:That's what they need. Um, and it was funny, you know you, you said it went to overtime and right Border alert. If you. I kind of mentioned a minute ago the Jupiter team won in overtime, but so I recorded it and so I turned on record and I don't know if I'd seen who won or not. I think maybe I did. I can't remember, but you know, on ESPN it's showing a replay at late at night, Right, but they got a ticker at the bottom, so I pull up this thing While it's coming on at the bottom, Tiger's team pulls ahead to win.
Speaker 1:So it was an updated ticker for an old broadcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm like, if you turn this on, thinking okay, I didn't watch this, I'm going to see who won.
Speaker 1:And it ruined it for you right there.
Speaker 2:It would have ruined it immediately. So, so I got to keep that in mind. Anytime I record something later games or anything I'm like the ticker will ruin it.
Speaker 1:So I assume you're going to have a lot of people that are going to pick Tiger's team just because it's Tiger, I think. So You're going to flock and say that's my team, that's kind of why I don't want to.
Speaker 1:I think that team could be really good if they have their three best. So far they've not had their three best together. Tom so far they've not had their three best together. Tom Kim was good. If you have Tom Kim, tiger and Max Homa, that's a tough team. Kevin Kisner's kind of brought that team down a little bit, but I also at the same time love it because everybody's like that's the everyday man, Like there's a lot of people I mean it's been shared everywhere at this point. So Frankie Borelli from the 4Play Barstool Sports Golf Program. He said Kevin Kisner's golf skill stays in the parking lot when he walks into the arena. And I'm like that's hilarious Because, especially knowing those two guys know each other, they're friends, they've played a bunch together on some different stuff as Barstool's growing and Kevin Kisner's whooped up on them plenty. So it's just funny to see he's like the rest of us when it comes to that. He's just a little more normal. It's kind of funny to watch.
Speaker 2:They even get out there and practice ahead of time, like during the day before these events, and we talked about how some of them are struggling with it. My concern that I thought of this week do you think that affects them when they get on tour on these events on the weekends and they're back on real greens and are they having to change their game up?
Speaker 1:so much for this I don't think so, and I think that's mainly because, depending on what tournament they play in, the conditions are so different the the grass could be a different type, the the location's different. So the temperature, the weather, all that plays such a huge part in it when, when you're talking high level tournament golf I would just hate to adjust my game to the, the spin and the field.
Speaker 1:They're getting on this green and then all of a sudden you can't putt on the weekends these guys play so many different types of courses and and even somebody like kevin kisner several years ago said I go play these tournaments, there's probably only three or four I think I could win. And he's saying not that, I'm not saying that, I'm not going to try and be in contention. He just says there's certain grass seed, there's certain course conditions that just don't suit my game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, I think they play on so many different things and so many different conditions. I mean, a lot of these guys have stuff at their home that's artificial turf that they're practicing putting on and whatever. Most of these guys have simulators in their home, so I don't think it's made that big of a difference. What I'd like to see is maybe the end of the season. What are we going to see? Did that play a bigger part? Or did the extra travel play a bigger part on these guys? Or what is really going to be the key factor? Because, again, I'm curious to see, not necessarily how this year of TGL turns out. What do we see next year?
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is the beginning.
Speaker 1:Who's the returning people? Are we going to see it really grow, because they're already talking about adding some live guys, adding a few more teams adding some arenas across the country.
Speaker 1:So it's already planning on growing. So I I think there's some good things they already do. There's some really good things already doing. It's it's there's still a lot of people that you know why am I seeing some simulator golf league on tv? You know that, just don't understand. But I think if you start watching a little bit it's not regular golf like you you're getting to see something and I don't want regular it's a lot faster pace. It's.
Speaker 2:It's very different so that goes to question. Would this league be better without your pga pros like have guys that, like you, have long drive guys that go play long drive so off off the podcast last week.
Speaker 1:Me and you had kind of talked about it and I said you know, maybe this would be more entertaining if you had a pro and two celebrities or definitely two pros and celebrity, or you add just some different personalities in here, cause, like like I said last week and I think the week before, golfers are not big personality guys. It's just not who they are. Um, but you add in you know a couple of comedians or a couple of. You know these musicians that are big golfers that people know or really grab a couple of YouTube guys? Like, don't you know these musicians that are big golfers that people know, or really grab a couple of YouTube guys?
Speaker 1:Like don't you know um Rory talked about it this week YouTube golf is both good and bad for the sport of golf because it's you're getting this fast paced, you're jumping around like it's edited so you're getting 40 minutes and it's like a whole round. So, compared to they just talked about, how do you speed up pace of play? You know, the Farmers Open final round was five and a half hours. That's too long. That's long. I've been thinking more and more. For me give them golf carts Stop talking.
Speaker 2:Stop with that. Yeah, Put them in carts. Speed it up. Listen, I'm good. I like the 15-hole format on this, I'm good. Hey, let's go to three-day tournaments instead of four, like Liv did. I don't need even when I go play golf. It's a commitment, especially if you go to a course and it's kind of slow. I mean you're there four or five hours, Like that's a lot for any sport.
Speaker 1:It's hard for me. No other sport does that Because I get to the point that I'm like crap, we're on hole 17. I'm almost done. I want to play more.
Speaker 2:But have the ability to play more if you want. Don't play two 15-hole rounds or two 12-hole rounds instead of making a round.
Speaker 1:Here's the hard thing for me is I'm so in with golf at this point. If you then say, well, now the rounds are 15, okay, then you took some from me and I don't really have time to go play again, but I want to.
Speaker 3:So it's what you're saying. Really tough um, do I really?
Speaker 1:care about the four day versus three day, not necessarily. I know a lot of people are very anti three day because four days just what it's been that's what aj does.
Speaker 2:Nobody most people I don't want to say nobody, most people cannot literally follow all four days the way you would like to, the way you would sit down and follow a football game or a basketball game. It's just impossible.
Speaker 1:It's much more difficult to digest. It's a very different thing to watch To me. I can watch four days of the golf tournament and I'm happy.
Speaker 2:I have no issues but you probably don't have time.
Speaker 1:I have no issues that now I can't watch it from start to finish because you're talking. Yeah, because here's the thing. One you know the one person may take five hours, but you're talking 120 something man fields on the first two days it's probably eight hours worth of a broadcast. Yeah, I don't have time to sit there and watch all of it you know um they used to have.
Speaker 2:what was it? The joes versus Pros, or something like?
Speaker 1:that yeah, spike TV way back when.
Speaker 2:Let's throw some random guys out there With them on the simulator, do you think? And I'm not going to say me, because I'm not- a very good golfer. But a decent golfer. Could they be more equalized On the simulator? Because these guys don't do that all the time. They're still not going to be as good, don't get me wrong, but would it bridge the gap a little bit?
Speaker 1:So obviously you know who the group Good, Good is from YouTube. They were fortunate enough with some of their connections that they have made as they've grown. They played a match, the same way that the teams are playing on one of their YouTube channels, and they did horrible, Did they? These guys are all around scratch, if not better. One of the guys in the group, Brad Dahlke, as an amateur, played at the Masters. I mean he's plus six handicap. I mean he's good.
Speaker 2:So maybe the missed shots we're seeing with the pros is even worse on your amateur.
Speaker 1:So the thing is the thing that was really a big difference is these holes are still long, longer than most guys can really hit gotcha, okay. So I mean, like for you you're not a real long hitter most carries on there, you're not gonna make like you don't have a shot.
Speaker 2:Let's throw some regular golfers in there and give them, uh, the front tees or something.
Speaker 1:If they have the capability to do that. Obviously they've made it for these pros. So there's not that now, but I'm sure they could easily do that eventually to change up how it plays, all those things. I'm not against that To me. You're going to see they're going to struggle around the greens because no amateur is nearly as good as the pros on chip shots, on putting, like those are things we take for granted but they are so good at it.
Speaker 1:They're so. They just have so much touch and feel and they practice it so much, and they're paid to do that.
Speaker 2:But I would like to see this almost a different, completely different thing Like it run more than just this couple of months. Let it, more than just this couple months, let it be its own league and you have guys who play in that league that's maybe not on tour, and let them be indoor golf guys.
Speaker 1:I just think the hard part about that is you're only going to draw attention to it by knowing who they are. Well, I think, to start with, you got to have what they got but I think, hope, as it goes on, they can but then, like I don't want to, see it turn into these guys, retire, and that's what they go do, because then you're washed up.
Speaker 2:That could be. I mean, you're not wrong about that.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, I don't mind that it's the PGA guys, I'm good with having PGA guys in there, but I think the thing that makes most sense to me is let's bring in some personality. Bring in a good, good member on one of the teams. Bring in um. You know there's so many big guys in the the YouTube golf space anymore. Um, actually we just had one massive one, the biggest YouTube golf channel actually just signed a contract with live to do content.
Speaker 2:I saw that, uh, rick Shields has been gosh, he's been around forever.
Speaker 1:Um, he just signed a contact with live and that's does he remind you of your brother brad?
Speaker 2:uh, yeah yeah, I've told him that they look very similar. I think they got the same accent too, don't they?
Speaker 1:I don't think so I think you're. You're mistaking for someone else, possibly because brad doesn't have a british accent okay um, but yes, I've said that for many years. They look very, very similar, just like facial structure and with the beard and everything Very very similar.
Speaker 1:Of course, brad's going to say I don't see it, I'm way better looking, but that's just part of it. But yeah, he did sign a big contract with Liv, so we'll see how that turns out. Obviously, liv needs more eyes on. That's one thing they're going to do better this year. That will help.
Speaker 2:He gets a lot of attention. He's partners with Top Tracer. So I see a lot of his stuff because we obviously have Top Tracer.
Speaker 1:Correct, correct. Yeah, he's been an ambassador with them for a few years now.
Speaker 2:But before we get away from it, I do want to ask you, because we mentioned it before, we had a shot clock violation.
Speaker 1:We did and I'm struggling with it. It felt forced To me. I didn't feel like it was real, like it's Tiger Woods, one of the founders of the league. It was really odd. He walks up with nine seconds left. They have the heartbeat in the background that gets faster the lower it gets.
Speaker 2:He knew it was low, but it was one to one, with four holes to the play of individuals. Yep, why do you do it there? If you do it, like I could see, towards the end, trying to make a close match, let's see if we can send this to overtime for the well, he's playing against rory, the other founder.
Speaker 1:His team will give one back, like it. It just felt like man for so many weeks we've talked about so do you think? That could have happened.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna put it past that it's not fabricated now I want to go watch the last four holes and see if I see boston maybe see where they gave one back, yeah, so again I got to watch bits and pieces oh man, if that'll ruin it for me it's been a very hectic week, a lot, of, a lot of stuff going on I mean, I used to watch wrestling knowing it wasn't 100 like it was. It's not fake, but it's uh, scripted, scripted, scripted not fake.
Speaker 1:And I guess you're saying which, by the way, well, the royal rumble is soon and I'm not huge into wrestling anymore like I used to be. But royal rumble's fun.
Speaker 2:There's some of the big ones like that the rumble is fun, so I'm actually really excited about that I I'd like to see some of the Me and Brad actually talked about that some tonight while we were waiting to find out some stuff.
Speaker 1:And so yeah, brad being a huge wrestling fan has been since we were kids, but the Rumble is one of those me and him both we've always liked. It's such a fun, interesting thing.
Speaker 2:There's nothing else like it. I like to see when they bring back random people from the past.
Speaker 1:There's always cool surprises Jumping in. Yeah, so the Royal Rumble is coming up very soon, so I'll probably try to watch that one. I don't want TGL to be that in any way, no, no, no, I agree with that man now you got me thinking Do you think that happens? On the golf course. Do you think there's side bets and things that guys, guys bet?
Speaker 2:everything. Oh, I know there's bets all the time.
Speaker 1:They're betting on literally everything. But no, I don't think that, because there's just too much on the line season long. With how that goes. This is very different than that. There's no way, because one shot could mess up your entire round. When it comes to on the actual course here, where it's alternating people and this, and that you could easily one-shot and it's not going to kill you.
Speaker 2:I don't remember seeing anything that made me think that it's scripted outside of. That moment was odd, Because I see him get up there and, like you said, it's like nine seconds and I'm thinking to myself okay, he's got to get up there and go. And he takes a little practice putt and he gets over the ball.
Speaker 1:And hits it right after the buzzer, literally after it.
Speaker 2:So I don't know.
Speaker 1:And again, I'm not saying it is. It just felt like maybe we have to keep this match close.
Speaker 2:That's going to ruin it for me if they start doing stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I don't think we see it weekly. I also don't think that the runaway scoring that we've seen the first few weeks is normal. I think it's as people get acclimated, as both teams get their best team there, I think we see some better matches. I hope so I really do, or especially when we get down close to the playoffs, I think we're going to see some really good.
Speaker 2:It's not like I love it, but I'm kind of getting into it a little bit.
Speaker 1:I think they do some really good things. I'm excited to see where it goes from there.
Speaker 2:I remember you was hating on it at first.
Speaker 1:I was hating on it a lot, but I really am seeing. I see some bright spots. It's just the bad stuff early on was really heavily outweighing the good, and they've already started to change some things. I mean, I think they are listening. It's just it's going to take time. Are they listening to you?
Speaker 2:is that what it was they'd be better if they by the time I watched it, they'd already took all your suggestions and made it better listen, give me a call, I can make it better. I still got ideas I'm sure you're the first one on the list that when we need help right here, yeah, I don't think those guys will ever know who I am.
Speaker 1:And that's quite all right. I don't need that notoriety. I'll just talk about you from afar.
Speaker 2:And that's okay. They're all buddies with me, I talk to them.
Speaker 1:I will say though next year league's still around. The plan is we'll be at the PGA show. We're probably going to go.
Speaker 2:I'll be honest, I already was looking like, is there tickets out there, Like what's going on with them? But everything shows sold out on Ticketmaster.
Speaker 1:so I don't know they say that, but then they're also paying people to come.
Speaker 2:How do we do that? That's the way to go. I don't want to pay you. Pay me to come.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing we know a lot of people in the golf industry at this point with some connections. Cobra obviously signed with Max Homa Max Homa's Jupiter. We could possibly find some tickets we could find a way. Now I'm not saying we're going to be hanging out with the guys meeting these dudes.
Speaker 2:So if Hudak's listening, help us out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to strategically send this to his inbox this week, or even Connor.
Speaker 2:Come on, connor.
Speaker 1:Well, no, I do know Connor's talking about working the PGA show next year, so I told him. I said, oh, if you're working we'll definitely come hang out with you. So yeah, he's down in Florida right now playing some tournaments. Before we get off golf, though, I am excited, world number one Scotty Scheffler makes his return to golf this week at Pebble Beach.
Speaker 2:How has there been so many tournaments already that he has not been in? Like I can't keep up with when these guys play.
Speaker 1:Well, so let's see, we're like four tournaments deep already. This is, you know, the big part of the season.
Speaker 2:Oh wait he cut his hand right.
Speaker 1:Holiday season he had a incident Somehow a bottle broke and he sliced his hand. Pretty bad had to have surgery. I forgot, so he's not been there. Rory jokingly said you've done well enough, you could hire a chef, that's true. Stop doing these things that could potentially get you hurt. Hire you a chef and let's go.
Speaker 2:Maybe he needs insurance on his hands and stuff.
Speaker 1:I'm sure he's got stuff, but I mean, the man made a lot of money last year, so it won't be hard for him to.
Speaker 2:He said he doesn't do it for the money.
Speaker 1:It's hard for him to he said he doesn't do it for the money. It's easy to say when you got that much I mean you pay me 60 million a year yeah, I don't do anything for the money I'm just doing it for the love but 60 million.
Speaker 2:Maybe after that 60 million, then I can do it exactly.
Speaker 1:Um. So yeah, just real quick. I'm excited about seeing him come back. I'm curious, you know you see somebody out kind of somewhat long term, especially when it's a a lot of feel in that sport. Curious to see what happens. I'm certain, cause he was on a huge tear last year. I mean he just won everything, so I'm curious to see and how he bounces back from all that.
Speaker 2:He's one of my favorites to watch and I don't know when that came about. I don't think he was maybe number one then, but at some point you kind of see him coming onto the scene and getting really good.
Speaker 1:Well, they call him the most boring number one ever.
Speaker 2:But he looks like you're watching one of us.
Speaker 1:Well, because he hits it in the middle of the fairway, hits it to the middle of the green and he'll make a putt or he two-putts. He just doesn't have a bunch of big mistakes. But most fans want somebody a little more flamboyant, a little more out there, a little more exciting, and he's just a regular dude.
Speaker 2:Well, when I say he looks like one of us, it's not meaning hitting fairways in the greens.
Speaker 1:Oh, by no means.
Speaker 2:Just by watching him, he just looks like a normal dude.
Speaker 1:Listen, I get my money's worth on a golf course. I'm going to see the whole course. Oh yeah, I am too Like golf is the only sport that you Well?
Speaker 2:no, take that back. I'm going to see the right side, that's true.
Speaker 1:You will see a lot of the right side, or I take this back If there's water left, that yeah, like we've always seen the meme.
Speaker 2:You know the joke of you know, put a man on mars with a golf ball and he'll find water. It's done a little better lately, but yeah, lately, you haven't hit in a while everything goes right until there's water in the left and then it goes right to.
Speaker 1:It just happened I mean it goes right, it's just right to it. It's very different, yeah um, yeah, you, but you've always been that way water could be. Nobody even knows it's there, and we get up there and it's like oh there's water.
Speaker 2:I have hit some of the best shots of my life and they go directly to the course I'm not real familiar with. Let me get up there and go.
Speaker 1:There's a creek there where that was there and, of course, david's ball in the water. You've been very good so ever since we started playing golf, played a lot of golf together. You're very good at that.
Speaker 2:Water is always there for you. I'm starting to get the impression you're telling me I'm not supposed to get in the water. I didn't realize this.
Speaker 1:I didn't realize. You thought you were supposed to. I thought that was the whole object. What do you mean? No, it's get it into the hole, not into the water.
Speaker 2:It was a hole. It's just full of water.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's a hole all right, a whole lot of balls in the water okay.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe next time I'll try to do better. I I'm completely off of there. All this time. You haven't been trying all this time I was.
Speaker 1:I'm in trouble now I gotta, I gotta step my game up. He's not been trying figure that out, oh yeah oh okay, so I've got.
Speaker 2:If you're off golf, I got something.
Speaker 1:You gotta go look yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2:I was wanting to jump into some of the other things, so we'll go ahead and jump into basketball, okay, and you may have it pulled up already.
Speaker 1:No, so you told me to pull something up but not look at anything. Okay, so I haven't looked at anything.
Speaker 2:So Vanderbilt basketball the roster for this year. Okay, for this year. Okay, pull the roster up. Is there anything that jumps out to you? Let me look Just kind of look through the players and positions.
Speaker 1:Is there something in particular that's supposed?
Speaker 2:to jump out to you, it is Look at the positions.
Speaker 1:I'm seeing a bunch of forwards and guards.
Speaker 2:Oh, you got the wrong one.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm not, so I do. You did tell me to look up on their site, right?
Speaker 2:Here, here, Look, look, Because I wasn't looking. I've got to pull up on my phone Because I saw this and somebody mentioned it and I looked again. I said why would they do that? So that's got to be wrong, right? I saw this a week or so ago, Somebody brought it up.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you this I have not watched a single Vanderbilt basketball game all year, because it's like why, why would I?
Speaker 2:We're doing great. You can't see us right now, but Vanderbilt's roster has every player listed as a point guard.
Speaker 1:Literally every one.
Speaker 2:And they're not all point guards.
Speaker 1:I mean, is that a typo?
Speaker 2:I'm very confused, so I heard it a week ago or so and I thought, yeah, that's wrong, somebody messed up and they're just showing a funny thing. And then I heard it again. So I thought, well, let me go look it up.
Speaker 1:And I pulled up their roster and it literally had every player listed as a point guard. Yeah, so when I pulled it up on ESPN, they just put FRG, depending on position guard, forward, because they don't really do centers like this. They don't do any of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it wasn't on ESPN, it was a Vanderbilt thing, okay, and so I don't know why, because it's still the way. I mean I'm on Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1:Commodores website. But here's the thing Vanderbilt is supposed to be the hardest school to get into, the brightest and best of the SEC, but you're telling me we can't do well enough to put people's positions, we're just going to do point guard, I think somebody did it on purpose and I don't know what's the point.
Speaker 2:I don't know. There was a big push with John Calipari at one point about positionless basketball and everybody can bring the ball up. That's a joke. That's why Cal Perry is at Arkansas getting his ball whooped.
Speaker 1:Well, hey, we'll first come back to.
Speaker 2:Kentucky this Saturday.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that this week? Yeah, there's going to be some bad blood there. We'll talk about it in a second. I may actually watch Kentucky basketball game.
Speaker 2:Do you see a benefit to this? Everybody's point guard?
Speaker 1:Is that? Do the players feel better that you list them as point guard?
Speaker 2:I think that's stupid, I mean here's the thing, or do you think it's a mistake? And it's just still there?
Speaker 1:So to me, I think somebody made a mistake and nobody cares to go change it, because you can't list everybody as a point guard. I mean, whether they can all handle the ball or not, they're not all point guards.
Speaker 1:I mean that's what blows my mind. I mean, I've both played and coached farther than a lot of people, and your point guard is the coach on the floor. They are supposed to know everything. You know where everybody should be. You are usually a leader. It's a very particular position. You're not going to label everybody as that. That just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:No, and I'm actually reading some more on it as we talk here. Um it's they say their, their new coach over there.
Speaker 2:It's his first year there, I think okay it's kind of a gimmick and his uh let me think I think it was his statement says he wants his players to think and act like point guards on the floor. So that is why he done and that's kind of what I thought the reason to something for the players. So that's why he done it and it's literally a gimmick to get attention, if you, if you want to do that in the locker room cool, but it doesn't make sense to anybody else no like it's, it's.
Speaker 1:You're gonna say, well, my 6'8 center is a point guard. No, he's not. Do you have him bringing the ball up the court?
Speaker 2:They have a 6'9, 235-pound point guard on their roster no you don't, this isn't Ben Simmons or Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1:They don't have those type of guys. So you can say well, I want all my guys to be leaders. Listen, not everybody can be in charge. Not everybody needs to be in charge. You don't go recruit 15 leaders.
Speaker 2:Is it these players these days? Again, we talked about the offensive and three-point shooters. Everybody wants to be a point guard.
Speaker 1:So does it help in recruiting A point guard is not even your main scorer.
Speaker 2:I know they're not, but does it help in recruiting to just say because I think the point is, if you're a point guard, you're, you're quick, you're agile, you can handle the ball we're saying you're athletic more than than the big guys. Well, which is here's what might be wrong.
Speaker 1:I don't think basketball is full of full of basketball players anymore. It's full of athletes. It is. Yeah, we're not seeing the best of the best basketball player. We're seeing super high basketball iq athletes playing the sport, playing the sport yep. So you know, you can argue what you want to argue. As far as you know, did steph curry and you know the warriors technically ruin basketball. Where you don't see mid-range ever, it's three-pointers and dunks or three-pointers and late. I don't know why you need mid-range so it's three-pointers and dunks, or three-pointers and layups.
Speaker 1:I don't know why you need mid-range. That's pretty much all we're seeing. If you can shoot and you can go dunk the ball, you don't have to be a great basketball player to do that. Athletes can do that. Basketball is definitely one of those sports. Being super athletic gives you a huge advantage over everybody else.
Speaker 2:There's no defense anymore, Even in college. Defense is going away In the NBA.
Speaker 1:we're seeing 130 to 130 like every game, but I can remember Kobe and Duncan and some of those. It would be like 80 to 80.
Speaker 2:Well, it meant something for those guys to play defense. It meant something for basketball.
Speaker 1:They really, really went after it.
Speaker 2:Now it's. I'm going to go out and score you and Kobe and those guys were.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna let you score on me I'm gonna go out score you, but you're also not gonna score.
Speaker 1:You're not gonna score me yes, um, now, not everybody in the era was that way. I mean you get a guy like ai. Ai was actually a fantastic defender. I mean people forget how good of a defender he was, but that's not what he's known for. Kobe, you knew you didn't want to guard you and you didn't want to guard him. It's just the way it was. Um, jordan was a fantastic defender. You know doesn't always get the credit for that. That, to me, is where kind of lebron falls flat. You know, I'll say it, lebron, he's top three, but he's, to me, almost I could almost three I could argue third I don't know If I went thinking enough, I might find a better third.
Speaker 2:To be honest with you, I'm with you, Jordan, and I don't agree with you a lot. But Jordan and Kobe, I guess that's what you're thinking of. That's my top two.
Speaker 1:Forever it was.
Speaker 2:Jordan and LeBron, jordan and LeBron and everybody was leaving Kobe out. I don't think you can do that.
Speaker 1:The thing that I think puts Kobe ahead of so many people is his mindset. You know they talk about the Mamba mentality. He is just a freak when it came to Talk about self-discipline. Yeah, I mean his work ethic, his. I mean he said it all the time. He's like I'm not as skilled as a lot of these guys, but I'll work harder than literally everyone and I think he sells himself short. He's unbelievably skilled.
Speaker 2:If you want to kind of get pumped up and some self-confidence going in yourself, go listen to Kobe talk.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, I mean, he's fantastic.
Speaker 2:The things he did and the way.
Speaker 1:He's mind was my brother, brad, one of the biggest Kobe fans I've ever met. He was a Lakers fan through and through. Because of Kobe Bryant, because of Kobe, he will argue for Kobe forever.
Speaker 2:I never was a Lakers fan.
Speaker 1:And it's one of those that I didn't really argue much with him on it because I didn't really disagree on some of it. It's. You know, for me I'm always going to say Jordan was the greatest. He paved the path for a lot of these guys to be doing what they're doing. Just is what it is.
Speaker 1:I can never really agree with LeBron being the greatest. He's got a lot of stats. There's just too many other things he can't do. You're going to say, well, he's a great defender. No, he's not. He's good at a chase down block. He's got highlights. He doesn't really have stats. He's never been a defensive player of the year, he's never been an all-defensive NBA. So there's so many things that to me I'm like okay, that's just absolutely false. But I did see here recently. They're saying, well, lebron's going to get his jersey retired in three places. They're going to say the Cavaliers I get it Heat, the Heat and the Lakers I don't agree with it getting retired with the Lakers. He's won one championship in the COVID era. It was a shortened season in the bubble. That championship to me doesn't even count. It doesn't exist to me.
Speaker 2:That's just a washed year that we don't even say. If you put him up at Heat, don't you have to put Bosh and?
Speaker 1:Dane wade too. Oh, I think they get that for sure, yeah, okay um, I think bosh is a super underrated player.
Speaker 2:I think people don't realize how good he really was yeah, I think it took all three of them to win down there. Two of them may not get it done listen.
Speaker 1:My man, dirk, did the unthinkable, though, and took him down. Yeah, I've been a dirk fan forever. I love the mid-range stuff. I love his style of play. He was just oh you couldn't stop it. He's so slow and you still couldn't stop it.
Speaker 2:I loved it. The little step back with the knee coming up, and you couldn't get close enough. The iconic.
Speaker 1:You know the knee. But then too, he's seven foot and he shoots it like 40 feet high, like everybody says, like you know exactly what's coming. But because of the way he shoots, the lean, the height, you can't stop it. Carmelo on his podcast was talking about. He said I'm guarding him. He says I know what's coming, it's the end of the game. He's like I'm in his face, what are you going to do? And he's like that shot took an hour to go in. It was just so slow. He said, but as soon as you shot it I knew we were there's. It's really hard for me to say Greatest ever in basketball, because positions are so different. They are.
Speaker 2:I mean Shaquille O'Neal. I felt that way with the different errors too. There is some talk about you know, crossing over, like now it's all three point game.
Speaker 1:It is. It's very, very different. But you take a guy like Shaq, you know they want to say, well, wilt's the only one to score 100, it's all three-point game, it is. It's very, very different. But you take a guy like Shaq, they want to say, well, wilt's the only one to score 100. Or, anthony Davis is so great. Anthony Davis is a fantastic player, a very modern player. He's a much smaller, get up and down the floor type. Center Says. He's more of a powerful forward he can play either.
Speaker 2:But none of those guys are gonna cover shack in the post. There's no way does shack's legacy get tarnished because of his free throws I don't think so because, it was it's comical I that's what I was coming up with.
Speaker 1:Comical I mean they literally called it hack a shack. Yeah, for a reason, because and he excuse me, he says it he's like I was like a career 50. He's like you know how many points I could have scored if I'd just been like a 70 I don't know what like for him to have such a long career as he had.
Speaker 2:Can't you improve somewhere like there's? There's a fundamental problem. The problem is there's.
Speaker 1:I say this all the time. I'm like how are you this high level and can't shoot a free throw? He's not the only one, it's like tackling in football.
Speaker 1:There's so many guys that can't shoot a free throw, but Shaq did so many other things. I mean they literally no longer allowed a zone in NBA because of guys like him, because you're not going to go in against him, why would you? I mean he talked about it. He's like there's a few guys that would kind of give a pass because I want to watch them work. He's like but if I wanted to stop you, I get six fouls. It's only going to take one of you feeling it that you're not going to do it, you're not going in anymore.
Speaker 1:I mean, he's about the guys I've played basketball against that are big dudes. I would get ragdolled against somebody like that.
Speaker 2:You see a lot of the stuff now with social media. He seems like a really good person, the help he does he does a lot of philanthropy stuff.
Speaker 1:He's all the time looking out for people. It's also really easy when you have the money that he's got. I think it makes a good point again, I'm not taking away from the good stuff he does, by no means. But I feel like you literally see him everywhere. He's in all kinds of commercials. He's making a ton on uh tnt, doing the inside nba stuff. But I also really like him, like he.
Speaker 2:He is just a he's a funny dude person for sure he can't pronounce names, he can't remember who people are.
Speaker 1:There's so many little things that reminds me, but I don't care, I still like watching his.
Speaker 2:If you haven't seen the video, you got to go look up and it's older. Now Him on. Maybe it was NBA Tonight or whatever that halftime show or after the NBA games, whatever they had. And they're going back and forth about the gas in a car. Okay, you've seen that. And he's basically shack is arguing well, if you don't want to put 80 in your car, then just wait to get down a quarter tank and stop.
Speaker 1:Put 20 in and it's less money then and he goes on and on about this in that clip and I'm like, oh my gosh, they gave you an honorary doctorate.
Speaker 2:Like, come on, dude, you're killing me and he's like oh, no, it's cheaper if you do it that way. And they're like you put the same no, no, no, it's the same amount.
Speaker 1:You're just doing it a different time. He's doing it different. Yes Listen, I'm not going to sit here and say Shaq is the smartest man I've. I think him and Charles Barkley make that so much. They're like brothers. They argue, they bicker, they joke. It's hilarious.
Speaker 2:I love them. They're okay making comments and they just will crack up at each other. It's what makes it fun. They almost come off as normal people, even though they're.
Speaker 1:Even though they really aren't.
Speaker 2:I mean, these are.
Speaker 1:Hall of Fame basketball guys. I mean, they're the types of players that we will never see again. Like we're not going to see a Charles Barkley, who was really undersized for position, but one of the better rebounders of all time. Shaq, one of the probably to me, the best, if probably second best center. I'll give Abdul-Jab the the take on that to me probably. So, um, I don't think you put anybody else above him in my opinion, but one of the greatest players of all time as well. And they feel like just regular old dudes they do. Now you meet them, and one, seven, two, the other is like six, nine. You're gonna feel tiny, but yeah, I mean it's still. They feel like very normal people.
Speaker 2:That reminds me we mentioned last week who we met. That's famous or whatever, Right, and he's saying that I forgot Just this past couple months ago I met Mark Pope and he made me feel that way he's a big guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess you don't really think about it.
Speaker 2:No, I mean we took a picture with myself and my wife and my daughter next to him and I'm telling you, if you cropped the picture you'd lose some of us, because it's like, like the height difference do you want to meet a, a better coach? Don't, don't talk about north carolina, because I have former, former oh okay roy williams lives not, that's right, I forgot he does he's not far from here.
Speaker 1:There's a few guys that have met him and I'm like like gosh, I would love to meet him.
Speaker 2:Mark Pope's better than Roy, so regardless.
Speaker 1:Like I can't stand Duke, Hate Duke with a passion. Yeah, I'd meet Coach K, I think it'd be cool. Oh, I think so too, there's some familiarities. Listen, I'm very aware what does your toilet?
Speaker 2:paper say today Familiarities.
Speaker 1:I have a face for radio. I'm very aware of this, but that's an ugly dude. Coach Kaye's an ugly dude, but he'd still be like. He's one of those like you're going to recognize him. He's very recognizable, he would. Yeah, there's a lot of guys. So if Mark Pope was average six-foot type guy, I don't think you'd have a clue who he was out in public. Oh, probably not the thing that makes him that presence that he has, how big he is. He's such a, he's what 6'8". 6, six, eight, six nine.
Speaker 2:He's big dude, he's way up there. Um, he seems like such a likable guy too. When kentucky beat tennessee this past weekend, uh, he came again out to the arena, met with people, signed autographs. It's just, he wants to be with the fans. I hope he stays that way forever. You know, not just doing this just because it's first year, because I, I want somebody that doesn't act like they're better than me I.
Speaker 1:I will say this we, we talked about, you know, roy, living close, and you talked about mark pope, new coach at kentucky. You know doing doing good things. I'm ready to start the coaching search I bet you are you know, we, we had this whole big thing.
Speaker 2:What 13-9 now?
Speaker 1:They signed a kid just recently like the fifth best player in the country out of high school. They're like, oh, that might give Hubert another year, why we don't need another guard? We can't rebound, we can't score, we can't play defense. What the heck are we?
Speaker 2:doing? Who did they lose to two nights ago? Pitt, pitt, that's right. They lost to Pitt a couple nights ago.
Speaker 1:And it's like we are the laughingstock of the ACC. What are we doing? Where are they in the ACC right now? Because ACC is so bad? It is really really bad right now.
Speaker 2:But as bad as they're doing, I don't think they're at the bottom. No, they.
Speaker 1:But as bad as they're doing, I don't think they're at the bottom, but they're still way down there. So they're not at the bottom. But when you talk about Carolina basketball, you should be one or two. You should be. It's going to be you or Duke every year, especially in that conference. You or Duke is all we should do. They're just above middle of the pack. Yeah, at six and four in conference. Yeah, 13-9 on the season, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't get that. This is one of those that I saw a comparison today. They said this is Brad Doherty all over again and Brad Doherty is one that basically came in, went or won a championship, I can't exactly remember. I think went to a championship with the previous coaches team, basically yeah, well, that's what. That's what hubert davis did, yeah he's he's not doing it with his guys.
Speaker 2:His guys are starting to get here and we're seeing that, hey, we're not very good anytime there's a coaching change and the players stay, which now in nil, they'll leave, correct but, that first year or two. That don't mean anything to me.
Speaker 1:No, it absolutely doesn't. It absolutely doesn't. So here's the thing we're not Miami. Miami is 0-10.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize they were that bad Long fall. Wait, that's the coach that left right that we talked about previously. Yeah, Laranega, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he left kind of mid-season.
Speaker 2:Well, not mid-season. He's been on the wall and that's why he got out of there they're 4-17 on the year.
Speaker 1:They've won four games and they were in the Final Four two years ago.
Speaker 2:Pretty recent. I mean pretty recent. Yeah, if you want to hear our thoughts on that, that's a few podcasts ago, a couple weeks ago yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he spent a lot of NIL money to get to the Final. Four and then they all walked off and left him and he. So you've got Duke at number one in the conference, louisville number two and then Clemson third.
Speaker 2:Louisville's got a new coach too, don't they this year?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean Louisville's actually having a good season. They're 16-5. I didn't realize that, but they're having kind of quietly.
Speaker 2:They're having a pretty good season, not bad Clemson's the same way Clemson's 17-4. I didn, and it's a late game, I believe. Saturday night Coach Cal brings Arkansas to Rupp Arena. There are three players on the team who played for Kentucky last year with Cal. A lot of the assistants are there. That was at Kentucky at some point.
Speaker 1:The thing with that, though. The only reason that game is relevant to anyone outside of Kentucky is the fact that Cal's going back. Oh for sure, like Arkansas is not very good.
Speaker 2:Kentucky should destroy it, kentucky's been back and forth.
Speaker 1:You know there are top-ranked teams You'll see some people watch it for that but everybody wants to see what happens. So to me he walks in and he gets booed. There's no way he doesn't. I'm not cheering for like how do you cheer for the man that underperformed and then stole your whole team?
Speaker 2:Part of the argument is he didn't want to leave. I mean he did go talk to Arkansas.
Speaker 1:It's hard to say he didn't want to leave. He looked for that.
Speaker 2:Last minute. He didn't want to leave and it was too late. He didn't.
Speaker 1:He burnt his bridge.
Speaker 2:He burnt the bridge and he'd been doing that for the past five years. I think I agree. So I think it'll be like Rick Pitino. People are starting to come back around to Rick Pitino Once he got out of Louisville.
Speaker 1:They are, but it's been some time. It's been some time, it's been some time. So.
Speaker 2:I see it like that too. I think Cal gets booed. Heck if I even, though he done some great things.
Speaker 1:But one day when he's gone from arkansas because he's going to be there that long.
Speaker 2:He's either going to be an analyst or he'll go to some other team, some smaller team, he will grow and kind of like patino did that's where you'll see it, I think and then he'll start coming back around to kentucky and he'll make all the right statements, just like patino did, correct? Oh, I always loved, loved Kentucky, never wanted to leave. Just yada, yada, yada. And Louisville fans got so mad at Rick Pitino because he was like my heart was always at Kentucky, even when I was at Louisville.
Speaker 1:And they're like what?
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:Maine wins a championship that's now been taken away. Yeah exactly At Louisville and they're like, I was always a Kentucky guy.
Speaker 2:But what do you think about the players? Is it fair to boo the players that went with him? 100% they could have stayed. Well, I guess I don't know if Mark Pope wanted them.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing Mark Pope didn't get a choice. He came into that and there was no team. There was no team. He had to build one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if some of the players kind of talked to him and he said no, I think we're going to go a different way, or whatever he would have said to him they chose what they wanted to do. That's on them.
Speaker 1:Boo them by all means. They did. They're all getting paid.
Speaker 2:I can't believe that anybody saw what Cal was doing the past five years and not only said yeah, cal, come down here, I'll bring your whole staff with you, I'll bring some of the players with you. Bring all your coaches and players that can't win Like you just, Cal even made the comment, because he called it. What was it? Calipari U or something like that.
Speaker 1:First of all, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2:That's tough when you're at Kentucky and you're calling it Calipari U Like. Come on whatever.
Speaker 1:But he basically said we you to and out of every coach over the last probably 20 years. At every big program he underperformed more than anyone. I mean like it's not even close. Looking back, I mean like everybody when he was at kentucky, all these fans are like oh, he's so good, he's so good, but what's he done? Like making it far doesn't help. That's not a big deal it doesn't you got to win. He didn't win he got the one championship and that was what his second or third year.
Speaker 2:It was pretty early on it was early, it was anthony davis, so team, and now that was his team.
Speaker 1:It was the team he went recruited. He's a fantastic recruiter, always has been. He's not the best of coaches, so he had some issues.
Speaker 2:As the staff started changing in different places, he got worse. He had some guys that really helped him with his weaknesses.
Speaker 1:I see what you're saying there, yeah.
Speaker 2:He had some weaknesses and they filled those gaps and when those guys started leaving and doing other things, he started falling off I got you he brought another staff. He thought he could do it. He couldn't, whatever. Anyways, enough about cal. Yeah, boom, boom if you're gonna be fan booing I don't care, one day he'll be in the rafters, probably.
Speaker 1:With that being said, go razorbacks. Shut your mouth. I knew I'd get something there.
Speaker 2:Okay, ladies and gentlemen, it is time to call it a night. Tyler has got to go home.
Speaker 1:I'll say this. You mentioned it those guys left in NIL. I've been seeing this all week and it's driving me insane. At what point are we going to step in? Ohio State just won a national championship Yep, Okay. Have arguably the best receiver in college football, Freshman Freshman Jeremiah Smith Rumors of $4.5 million for him to enter the portal. Why is anybody able to reach out to him, talking to him about money, if he's not trying to transfer? He's not in the portal. And they're able to do this. Tate, that was the third receiver this year offering him a million. These guys aren't entering the portal. Why are we allowed to do this? This is free agency.
Speaker 2:You sound like the old man right now. That don't pay the players. I'm not against paying the players.
Speaker 1:I get it I love it. I'm with the NIL stuff, but wait until they enter the portal. It's a rule.
Speaker 2:But I don't even care. If it's a rule, I don't care. Call the player in the middle of the season hey, you want to come on my team? I got more money for you. I don't care.
Speaker 1:I just have a problem with. So here's the thing the NBA has rules against signing players for free agents contracts while they're still signed by a team.
Speaker 2:But they've got contracts. You can't do it.
Speaker 1:They've got, but you can't even talk to the guy until he's been off of that team. Like there's still regulation. Like this is literally a free-for-all. Like I just it blows my mind and not even talking about, oh, it's Ohio State. As a fan, I don't care what team. Like Talking about, oh, it's Ohio State. As a fan, I don't care what team. Like we know Miami was talking to Beck because that happened way too fast.
Speaker 1:He leaves under 24 hours he signs a $4 million deal with Miami. We already heard rumor that he was going to get a bunch of money from somebody.
Speaker 2:So we know they're talking, but that makes no sense to me. But look at Jim Knowles A week after winning the national championship he's gone to Penn State. You can't tell me he wasn't talking before. So if a coach can do it, a player can do it. But I don't agree with that. Well, if they're all paid employees, at that point.
Speaker 1:So it's a little bit different for a coach because there's no portal to enter. Obviously you can't be like, yeah, I'm entering a portal, I'm up for grabs.
Speaker 1:Let's get rid of the portal if you, if you're saying, yeah, I'm done here, like obviously my job is right here right now. They know I'm talking to others, so that means I'm I'm gone. They're gonna hire somebody else a little different. But I hate you're, you're signed, you're part of this, not looking to leave and all we're doing is running up the money like that. It just doesn't make sense to me I.
Speaker 2:I get your point to an extent and if there's contracts, like we've talked about it, it changes a lot of that. But right now, if a coach can do it, I think a player should be able to do it, because I can come to a coach in the middle of the season and say, hey, I'd like for you to come here. I'm going to give you more money. You can tell me at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to finish here and then I'm going to come to you so potentially you can do that. But a lot of these guys you still can't talk to them during season, but they do Some.
Speaker 2:I mean you can't tell me Jim Knowles didn't already know he's out and kind of an idea of where he's going?
Speaker 1:it makes no sense. You win a national championship and you leave for a huge conference rival well, he said he would rather be at Penn State which makes no sense. That's where his heart was the only place worse would have been going to Michigan. That's the only thing worse you could have done in the Big Ten was oh, I'm going to Michigan. I mean Penn State's the only other rival there. That's why.
Speaker 2:I don't think that happened in that last week after a championship that was already in the works, maybe not a done deal.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine it did, but still, it's just, you're one of those. It's free agency, it's contracts, like leave them alone while it's going on.
Speaker 2:There'd be an argument for leaving coaches and everybody alone while it's going on. But you know, I hear some people say that you know we can't mess with them while they're in a team. They're committed to a team and they say that about the players, but then they're okay with the coaches doing whatever.
Speaker 1:And so that's a problem. That's a double standard. I'm both. I don't think you should do both. I'm not sitting here on the fence of like, oh coach, do whatever you want, players. No, I'm just saying, leave it that.
Speaker 2:That's where a contract with a non-compete clause. You know Jim Knowles needed a contract that says if you leave, you cannot go in the same conference for so many years, because they used to do that with players.
Speaker 1:The SEC used to say you couldn't stay in conference. Yeah, they wouldn't let you transfer within conference. Yeah, I do remember that. Well before, though, if I remember correctly some of that early transfer pool stuff, the coach had to approve where you were agreeing to go to.
Speaker 1:Because it was always if you're going to go D2, you're dropping, or you're going to go FCS, you're really going down to a lower division. It was always yeah, we get it. But if you went to somebody we could potentially see or was on the schedule, they'd be like no, you can't do that.
Speaker 2:See, I'm fine with it and that's weird to me too, though I'm fine. That's weird. That's weird to me too, though I'm like let's go.
Speaker 1:You know, free market You're just up for free, for all free fall, absolutely Free for their needs.
Speaker 2:If you want to protect your investment, make them sign a contract. Now the problem with that is if I say, come here, sign this contract and school down the road says you. So that could even get into a whole I, you can't get.
Speaker 1:But I think if we go to contracts it's gonna be contracts across the board. I don't feel like you should be able to say you shouldn't be able to. Money should not change hands if there's no contract. If that is going to be the rule, like if it's like, hey, you're supposed to do contracts but you kind of not, then just don't do them. That makes no sense.
Speaker 2:I'm with you either do them or don't I mean, that's all, for you know the same thing we have out here. When you're looking for a job, you can go to the best, the highest bidder, the whatever place you like best.
Speaker 1:There's no nothing stopping me unless I sign a non-compete, so let's let them do it so, speaking of contracts, we saw this really big this week, this week, last week as well. I don't know if you followed it much in baseball, particularly the Dodgers.
Speaker 2:Okay, I have not seen this.
Speaker 1:They signed Shohei last year on a diverted contract. So he's getting like a million or 2 million a year and huge money 10 years from now. So like he can be retired and he's going to make crazy money. So it's not hurting them in the moment. So what guarantees?
Speaker 2:that Like if Dodgers change ownerships.
Speaker 1:A lot of those are protected because it's protected by the union stuff that they're a part of. Okay, and I don't see this happening Again. That's not a team that's going to get sold, it's not, but what if the team went bankrupt?
Speaker 2:I'm just hypothetical.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know they're not going to, yeah well, so the league takes care of a lot of that stuff, but then at the same time the union would basically force within the sale you've got to uphold.
Speaker 2:You've got to go ahead and pay him. Yeah, I get you.
Speaker 1:Okay, bonilla. Every year we have Bonilla Day. He gets this big payout from the Mets and he's not played in many, many, many years. He's getting like a million a year.
Speaker 2:He just kind of deferred the.
Speaker 1:He's getting his money on the back end.
Speaker 2:What's the upside of that? I feel like if you had that money now, you could invest it and potentially make way more than what they're giving you Even inflation, as those rise.
Speaker 1:The upside for the team is you're not hurting my salary I understand upside for the team, but the player I have more potential to get sponsorships and ads now because I'm a big name, and then, when I don't want to do anything, I got big money coming in for no reason okay, kind of a retirement plan yeah in a way.
Speaker 1:So like a guy like shohei, best player in baseball, I don't feel like there's much question right now. He can be on literally everything. He could get a sponsorship, an ad deal with literally anybody he wants, because he's gonna sell, he just is. He's well known, he's huge in the japanese market now he's huge in the american market, won an mvp, won a world series at this point, so he's getting huge money on the back end. So when he retires, if he didn't want to go do any ads, he didn't have to. If he didn't want to go back and do anything in Japan with baseball, he didn't have to. He's set. But the problem is the Dodgers have now done this with three, three Japanese players. So they've got three of the biggest names that you could possibly get at the moment, all on deferred contracts. And so then the question comes up is that okay?
Speaker 2:If you have salary caps. So again, I just said pay players whatever you want in college, but there's no salary caps, there's no rules.
Speaker 1:That changes everything Currently right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now, if they did that, I might feel completely, completely different. I feel like that's cheating a salary cap, isn't it? To me, it feels wrong.
Speaker 1:It just does. It feels wrong. And that's not me hating on the dodgers. I'm not necessarily. I don't. I don't hate them, but I don't like them I'm. I'm a braves fan, so I'm not gonna be like, oh yeah, if the braves are doing is okay, because I think that's very weird across the board.
Speaker 2:So I guess any team could do it so that evens the playing field.
Speaker 1:But you got to get the players that agree to it correct, but at same time you've also, so they're more willing to do it now too, because they're going to win in the moment and then make the money on the back end when maybe the winning doesn't matter anymore. Two, because they're going to win in the moment and then make the money on the back end when maybe the winning doesn't matter anymore. So it's weird to me, but at the same time there's also some rules. So does that okay?
Speaker 2:okay, I'm just thinking this through. Yeah, I don't know how long it is. Let's say, it's what? 10 years from now they pay more money. Right then, shouldn't that be on their salary cap 10 years from now, whatever team they have?
Speaker 1:if he's active, so if he's retired? No, yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm saying again it's the gray area we keep talking about with everything it's very weird because obviously, if you're going to say well in, in 10, 15, 20 years, whatever it is, these three guys are going to kill our salary cap, you've got to commit to say, in 20 years, we don't care. If we're good, yeah exactly. And I don't think they're going to do that. Because if you're, if you're winning back-to-back championships, and all of a sudden it's like well, 20 years, we got to cut everybody because our it's not there. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2:So you're paying them a salary.
Speaker 1:To my understanding, though it's, it's at that point, it's within the budget, but it's not within the salary because they're not active players. Active players are what counts towards salary, not former that you still owe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hadn't followed that, but then the Dodgers at the same time while these guys are still signed to Japan, there are rules between the leagues. You cannot talk to the player, but they can talk to the managers of the player's team over there and actually pay the team's money to basically have them push them to go to a certain team and I'm like so bribing somebody pretty much I mean, that's what I'm like.
Speaker 1:All right, we're bribing guys and then cheating the salary cap. How is this? Okay? I still like baseball is supposed to be like. It's america's sport, it's this great pastime, you know, it's all about integrity and all about this and it's like, but we're saying that's of high character and high morals and high integrity, like that makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2:I'm sitting here thinking, how did you talk an individual into this? Because I get what you're saying the kind of retirement. But if I got the money now, I can invest it and I can potentially have way more than that when it's time to retire.
Speaker 1:But now you're telling me they're bribing people, but what you're looking at is salary number. All of these guys are getting money from so many different places. They've got car deals through trading cars.
Speaker 1:They've got all these things. So for them you've got to think about we don't live in that type of world. We don't live in the world that we've got so much money to do these things with. That's a very different type of number. When you're talking about his base salary, we're like, oh, it's low. He's making $2 million a year. I don't know if I'll make $2 million in my life. That's what I'm saying. It's such a different thing. So for them to basically live on a yearly, like oh, my yearly budget is $2 million. Okay, I got to pay half that to all my agents and all this, I still got a million bucks, yeah, not counting every other source of income.
Speaker 2:So do you think it is a part? Because they're Japanese, it's where they come from.
Speaker 1:Well, no, it's not just the Japanese players.
Speaker 2:There's other people.
Speaker 1:But part of it. Again. For Shohei this isn't his first MLB contract. He was with the Angels, so he made a bunch of money there, then came to the Dodgers and yet they keep being able to get all the big names because they're just pushing the money to a later date.
Speaker 2:So they're stacking a team?
Speaker 1:Yeah and again it's not even that. It's the Dodgers. It just doesn't feel right for any team. Now the Dodgers can do it more too, because they're a very wealthy team. The Dodgers have a lot of money. So for somebody they're a very wealthy team, the Dodgers have a lot of money For somebody to say, well, the Athletics could go do it, the Athletics don't have any money.
Speaker 2:There's no money for them to really even put that kind into a yearly salary, let alone across the board. Plan on that years from now.
Speaker 1:That's a small market team Moving to Vegas, but weird that they're no longer the Oakland A's. That's a whole separate thing.
Speaker 2:I hate when teams move like that. There's another hate.
Speaker 1:I want to be. So many have done it.
Speaker 2:They have, but a lot of those that have done it were, the Braves weren't in Atlanta. No, but that's not in my lifetime.
Speaker 1:So it's okay that it happened before you. That's what that sounds like.
Speaker 2:When I was old enough to know sports and I knew where the teams were you're. I was old enough to know sports and I knew where the teams were. You're supposed to leave them there until I'm gone at least Just for me.
Speaker 1:I get it to an extent. There was no support in Oakland. The fan base was not there for them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get why they moved.
Speaker 1:So I understand why they are, but it's still just when we're talking about. There's still all these talks of we're going to expand the league, we're going to make more teams. Not all the teams right now are successful, so why are we?
Speaker 2:worried about expanding.
Speaker 1:Let's figure out some ways on that. You know, maybe Oakland was never the place to put a team. You know we did it a long time ago when they were in Oakland. Was that really the smartest idea?
Speaker 2:Some of these markets that we put teams in really don't make sense to have teams. Yeah, it just, it just doesn't. That's the cities they're looking at to add teams. Let's take some of those that aren't successful, move them to that city, see how it goes, instead of adding a new team.
Speaker 3:Kind of my thought instead of adding another team now the league has to fund.
Speaker 1:You know they're still funding from the league that comes there, and more and more and more so. Because, again, with baseball it's different. I mean Me and Will were talking about it the other day and everybody's like oh well, there's minor league. Well, minor league isn't just a double-A, triple-a. There's high-A, there's summer ball, there's all of these things within that. I mean we have a local team here in Asheville, asheville Tourists. It's high-A for the Houston Astros. It's like all right, why are they in Asheville? Like, why is an Astros-related team in Asheville?
Speaker 2:Makes no sense. I don't know how that comes about. I'm assuming somebody built a stadium and said okay, we want to be with your organization or you bid on it. I don't know how it becomes. I can imagine that they said yeah, let's put a spot here.
Speaker 1:They can get sold to different organizations. Any organization could technically come and say well, now we want you to be part of this group. Typically, your single-A guys are not making it professional.
Speaker 2:That's what I was going to ask. There's not as many for that. Does any single-A ever make it all the way up?
Speaker 1:A lot of your big guys. They're almost starting in double.
Speaker 2:I see some starting triple, almost starting in double.
Speaker 1:You're big names out of high school, college. Out of all this, few games in double go straight to triple. We need you ready. Potentially. I think that slowed down a lot. A lot of these guys are not advancing as quickly as they used to. Unless you were just Paul Skeen's level, he was one of those let's get him here. I mean, he was an all-star.
Speaker 2:I love the system that baseball has with that, with all these different teams, in a sense, because it's hard to follow. It is hard to follow but it gives all these players coming out of college or wherever somewhere to go and try to continue Well and it keeps them stateside Like Other sports.
Speaker 1:You're just done, but it keeps them stateside Like basketball, you've got to go overseas. Like basketball, most of it's overseas and don't get me wrong, there's a league in every country and football I don't know when you're done if you don't go to the.
Speaker 2:NFL maybe you can get in the Canada League.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Canadian football is still active. I don't think arena is even around anymore.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen anything much.
Speaker 1:There's some really lower level stuff going on, yeah, but not the professional.
Speaker 2:But nothing that's like all linked, like baseball done so good at linking all these different divisions, where football, like we just said, there are some of these lower divisions but none of them is like tied together, they're all just separate entities.
Speaker 1:What's so cool about baseball, though, is it is truly a farm league, like they build you from nothing to potentially superstar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just said you don't have much of a chance Most guys don't go from single A but you have the potential.
Speaker 1:I would say you're going to have a tougher road, but it's not impossible. You are still in an organization with potential to grow. If you put the stats up, they will lift you higher. They're not going to say well, he's really good but we're going to leave him.
Speaker 2:They want the best.
Speaker 1:Right, so I like it. So my favorite thing about double and triple-A ball I love the team names. I love the fact that they just go random stuff, like you've got the Jumbo Shrimp. They're triple-A though, yeah, but then you have like charlotte is the knights. Like you don't have that for any other team. No team has that, you've got look at ashville uh, gatlinburg, pigeon forgery, they've got a team, yeah, but there's just the, the rough riders as a team, the, there's all these names it I never actually actual tourist, but it's a bear.
Speaker 2:I don't get it. That make no sense. I never heard of.
Speaker 1:Asheville tourist, but it's a bear. I don't get it. So tourist because Asheville's a big touristy area, so it's about like a tourist. But then it's using a black bear as the symbol because Because we have bears right here Because it's native to the area.
Speaker 2:I don't know, tourist just feels weird. Usually you have an animal or something.
Speaker 1:But to me not. You know an animal or something, but to me not. In minor league you don't Like. Look up some minor league baseball teams. They are all across the board. I mean, there is so many weird teams. What I always used to love playing the baseball games on PlayStation, xbox growing up, when you did some of your path stuff and you would come up through the minors. It's like you get some of the weirdest team names that you wouldn't even know exist. But it was cool to see. It was a different logo, it was a different jersey, it was just fun.
Speaker 2:Not just that.
Speaker 1:The grasshoppers, the yard goats.
Speaker 2:I don't remember if they're still this way. So Lexington Legends were in Lexington, kentucky, for years, and a few years ago they sold the team or something, and it might only have been for like a year and they changed it, but they were the Lexington Counter Clocks, if I remember right. Okay. And I think it had something to do with horse racing. Runs counterclockwise maybe.
Speaker 1:Okay, that kind of makes sense, but still counterclocks. But here's a couple others the Sugarland Space Cowboys yeah, that's out there, all right. The Toledo Mud Hens Did somebody sit down and think that was good? The Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs so that's what I'm saying. It's almost like, hey, we don't care, just have fun with it, and I love that. I love the idea because, like you said, college tell me that one again.
Speaker 2:Space, what space cowboys. Who are they? Where are they from? Sugarland texas texas, I'm gonna get you a space cowboys shirt or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you gotta have something from the space, absolutely, uh, the fort myers mighty. I'm telling you what I love about the farm system for all of this is it's just different. They just went with names that you don't see all the time In college Tigers, bulldogs, those are everywhere. Yeah, they're all. There's some kind of cat, there's some kind of dog, those are literally everywhere. Mlb the team names are a little bit different, but it still kind of follows those same lines. Minor league is like nah, we're gonna, we're gonna do our thing, we're gonna have fun with it. What? How do?
Speaker 2:you and I want to ask um some other people at some point about this but how do you feel about the whole savannah, savannah, bananas dancing, and they've kind of made a spectacle out of baseball instead of just playing baseball. It seems to be fun. I've never been to one in person.
Speaker 1:So to me it depends on who you ask. If I'm not mistaken, will hates it.
Speaker 2:Isn't it Harlem Globetrotters? Just for baseball, basically.
Speaker 1:And so I think that's okay.
Speaker 2:If you know it's not going to watch real baseball baseball thing with it is the baseball purist.
Speaker 1:The guys that love baseball as it is never change it. We love the slow. We don't want pitch clock, we don't want any of those things. They're gonna hate it because it's too modern age but it's not for them, it's not.
Speaker 2:It's not. I know they're playing baseball.
Speaker 1:But it's not baseball, it's. It is turning a sport into entertainment like there's.
Speaker 2:No, you know, they're not they're not going to say we don't know.
Speaker 1:We don't know who's going to win. They're not scripting it, it's still to. To an extent, some baseball is there, but it's more about the entertainment in between. Isn't that what everything's going though? Uh, to an extent, I feel like, yeah, yeah, I mean, it sells tickets. Cgl, we keep talking about that. But because I think part of that is youtube is so popular, tiktok is so popular all of these things that are much shorter periods draw your attention in. So all of these big things feel like we've got to kind of we've got to cater to that younger age, and they're into that kind of stuff. They're the future of the sport, so to get it to grow and get to continue, you kind of have to have those kids in it.
Speaker 2:I feel the same way about baseball as I did golf. I enjoy watching it on tv and it's a little slower pace than maybe basketball, trying to keep up with running up down the court. Everything but baseball games can get long, and so I know they've done the pitch clock and all that stuff to try to help it, but they're still long so for me, I much prefer to go to a baseball game.
Speaker 1:Like nine innings at a baseball game, I don't mind it, I don't even think about it, I'm just there, that'd be different it's the whole but the whole, everything but you know why?
Speaker 2:because you feel like you're entertained. You're at an entertain, all the other things going on and you can go get food, and so I mean'm a little bit different.
Speaker 1:I can sit there and watch baseball. I can watch a whole night in a game on TV and not really care. But that's kind of just what I like. I love sports. I'll watch kind of a little bit of anything. I'm not really a soccer fan. I love the World Cup. I think that's one of the most fun things to watch.
Speaker 2:Do you think baseball's too long? I know you can sit and watch it, but would you prefer it be seven innings?
Speaker 1:No, no, because to me it would have needed to have been that the whole time. When they do double headers. It's like they do these shortened double headers. I hate that. I hate the rule of extra innings. You put the special runner on second. I think that's stupid.
Speaker 2:Everybody's went to that now.
Speaker 1:I just think it's stupid Getting a runner in scoring position in baseball, softball, any of those. It's difficult. It's supposed to be.
Speaker 2:In travel balls like that, we use the international tiebreaker rule. I think, it's the same thing you're talking about. You put a runner on second and you start with one out, yeah, and so you're kind of at that point halfway through the inning.
Speaker 1:I just don't like it. I don't, and it's not even being like well, I like the old way. No, it's just, baseball is different. It's supposed to be different. It's supposed to feel different. I mean, I've said it before, To me baseball is possibly the most difficult thing to do in sports Hitting a baseball is to me the most difficult thing you could do, because hitting a baseball is, to me, the most difficult thing you could do, because it's not.
Speaker 1:it depends on who's pitching to you, maybe anybody that is slightly good, anybody that's good, that has control of pitches and can throw different types. You know, break, like the average person can't hit a breaking ball, it just doesn't. You can't do it. So it's supposed to be a little bit different. I'm okay with it being long.
Speaker 2:You know the fastball. If you can get a hold of a fastball it's going to fly. But the amount of time that you have to see that ball coming at you when it leaves that pitcher's hand is so quick.
Speaker 1:The thing that's so crazy is everybody's like well, a fastball's flat Not anymore Like these guys, you know. So you look at some of the Japanese guys. They almost pitch a rise ball. They get so on top of it that it almost has upward trajectory. But then some of these guys don't even throw a four seam anymore, they only throw two seams, which are going to have some cut to it, and these guys are releasing it and trying to get it to spin so much that it's gonna have some natural movement. So it's not like as long as I swing flat on this plane it's gonna hit it there like it still has movement well, let's we talk about.
Speaker 2:You know how, um, football has changed and scoring and basketball has changed. I think baseball is doing the same thing, it's just they're such in a traditionalist mindset that you don't see it as much. But what you're talking about, the pitchers, are kind of changing up the way. Well, I mean, the game is always going to change.
Speaker 1:So I mean one thing we did see 2021, baseball came in and banned a bunch of substances Because a lot of pitchers were using some things that would give them extra stickiness to the ball. The more sticky that you have, the more you can spin it, the more your stuff moves. So I think since 2021, we've seen batting averages go up. That was the point.
Speaker 2:That's what they want. They want to see more hits, more runs. If everybody has access to those substances, don't know what it matters I mean they did like it was.
Speaker 1:It was across the board. It was just that not saying that all the great pitchers from that era is what they did, but you were seeing really low eras by guys that maybe weren't really had the stuff that they were pitching with. So I mean some of the movement, some of the the break on some of this was unbelievable and now some of those guys are kind of not around anymore because they don't have the stuff anymore and some of these guys can still make it move that way I think what they do next is just give them all some jacked up bats, as long as they all have access to them.
Speaker 2:We'll see a whole lot more home runs. We'll see all kinds of stuff majorly let's get scoring going.
Speaker 1:They don't need metal bats in hand. They'll kill somebody we need more like college they use these metal bats and it still blows my mind. These guys too strong, too fat, like they don't need metal bats, they need to stick with wood to let it die down a little bit. Um for player safety. At this point I don't care about the hits.
Speaker 2:It's about not killing someone. But if you want to see scoring, go up.
Speaker 1:I mean you put so there's a current, really popular not-legal-in-every-league bat called a hypefire. You put that in somebody's hands that can, with a wooden bat, have 110 exit velo.
Speaker 2:They're going to crush it. They're going to have home runs like crazy. It Exit Velo. They're going to crush it. They're going to be at 120. They're going to have home runs like crazy.
Speaker 1:It'd be fun to watch, though It'd be like a home run derby every night. That to me doesn't. That's not fun, though. Like a 15 to 14 baseball game, that's not fun.
Speaker 2:But if you're saying scoring is exciting, there you go.
Speaker 1:So that's what most leagues view. I don't think baseball has fully gone that way.
Speaker 2:I don't think so either and, to be honest, I would be okay seeing more scoring, but I want to see it infield stuff. I want to see them running the bases and stealing, and that excitement, not just hitting it out of the park all the time.
Speaker 1:Well, so that's some of these teams have gotten better at it For a long time. Like you had to tell you hey, we're not going to hit home runs very much, we don't build a lineup that hits a ton. We're going to get on base, we're going to bunt and move runners.
Speaker 2:We're going to do all those things and be really strategic.
Speaker 1:And then it went to. You'd have a lot of teams that were like I don't care if we steal a base, it's long ball or nothing Like. That's just kind of how they build the roster and then you have the teams that really found a good balance and I think I think baseball is in a really good position compared to what they even were maybe 10 years ago. It's just, it's always going to be a little bit slower sport, it just is I don't mind it in that sense because it is one that you can.
Speaker 2:Just most sports I have to see everything going on and every little play and everything baseball I can, I can kind of sit back, relax a little bit more, maybe be on my computer or something doing something, and can still watch the game.
Speaker 1:The hardest thing about baseball is it's like 160-game season.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:It's long, it's too much. As a sports fan, I don't have time to sit and watch my team play all those games and at the same time. You Really big baseball fans understand this. But if you're more casual, trying to get into it, you're used to football or to basketball. A loss sucks Like not necessarily in the NBA. They don't really care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nba doesn't matter. Like you're like.
Speaker 1:I kind of just have to get to a certain point. Losses don't really matter, it's just I've got to win enough.
Speaker 2:Well, that's college football, especially because you have so few games.
Speaker 1:Right Now I will say this my brother, huge sports fan, always has been doesn't like college football.
Speaker 2:He's missing out.
Speaker 1:But here's his reason and I kind of I get it. He doesn't necessarily have a team, he doesn't really feel drawn to anybody, but at the same time he'll tell you, you know, he's a huge tar hill basketball fan, so he likes him in football as well. And I told him. I said well, I think the reason you don't like it's because your team's not good yeah, 100 and it wasn't me being like all that you know but they had a couple good years there not long ago.
Speaker 1:But if you're not going for a championship, what's it really matter? Like you're, you're not really excited about a team that's not got a uh, just a history of winning. But there's not many teams that do. But I think that's why, you see, the nfl is still going to be so much more popular than college you feel like almost every team has a shot In a way. Yeah, All these teams kind of always have a shot. Unless you're a Carolina Panthers fan, you have no chance, ever no chance.
Speaker 2:They're awful, or Cowboys, or the Jets.
Speaker 1:There's kind of those few teams that's like, yeah, you suck, you don't have a chance.
Speaker 2:Well, let's just get him on the bandwagon with the Buckeyes.
Speaker 1:He'll never do that, come on.
Speaker 2:Brad Come on.
Speaker 1:Now. I'll tell you this he's excited about Belichick, is he? He made a statement Brad said we know the man ain't afraid to cheat he's done it already Listen. We may. He said we may lose the national championship 10 years from now, but he said we got a good chance of winning one. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's gonna go out and make sure we get it. So I think, that's.
Speaker 1:I kind of laughed at that, but I'm like he's not wrong.
Speaker 2:We keep talking about these gray areas. He may find some they live within them.
Speaker 1:man, now I think that's a huge get for them. I mean, they're going to get some players.
Speaker 2:They will, but is he done? Can he coach? I think he's one of the greatest coaches ever, but can he still do it? Because didn't they want to go younger when they got rid of Mack Brown?
Speaker 1:Technically, but if a name comes like that, you can't say no.
Speaker 2:I know I agree with that, but how long can he stay? They're probably only going to get three years out of him.
Speaker 1:He's kind of already made it kind of clear without fully saying it I'll give you three years, then you hire my son. Yeah, give you three years.
Speaker 2:Then you hire my son.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like pretty, that's pretty well doing it right out there I think so yeah, I think so, but at the same time, but I don't think he he might.
Speaker 2:Now, here's the thing wouldn't they hire a son without that?
Speaker 1:no, not as a head coach. Bill check, son, not as a head coach. No, I don't think, he just didn't have the experience. I'll say this excited to have bill and and chapel hill. You know, capital bill, that's what they've been calling capital bill um sorry, chapel bill.
Speaker 3:Chapel bill um that song in school. I'm just a bill on capital hill, yeah, my wife sings that literally all the time.
Speaker 1:Still, um, two things that stick. Yeah, chapel bill, he, uh, his girlfriend is basically the age of all those guys, so like he knows how to get along with that age.
Speaker 2:So I mean give him money.
Speaker 1:And here's the thing they break up. He's got a lot of options. He's used to he's used to that age Like it's, it's easy Um so I do think it's a big get for them, because he's got all the ties. You want to go play in the NFL. It's a big get for them because he's got all the ties. You want to go play in the NFL.
Speaker 2:Come here, I've got more ties than literally everyone, but you've still got to win. Do they have the NIL? Money, maybe with him, maybe he can go get it.
Speaker 1:So the issue is Jordan just gave a bunch of money to some different people so they kind of missed their mark on that. Belichick can go get it, without a doubt. I definitely can go get it.
Speaker 2:You just brought up Jordan and we talked about Hubert Davis. Yeah. What point does Jordan say no, guys, I'm not giving us money or I'm going to help you. We're going to go find the right guy to do this and quit hiring within.
Speaker 1:So Jordan doesn't really get involved with that. That's kind of one thing we've seen for a long time, like he loves.
Speaker 2:Well, he owns a NASCAR team now.
Speaker 1:He's a Chapel Hill guy Like he'll never not be. He's very proud of being a Tar.
Speaker 2:Heel, so he's good with whatever they do.
Speaker 1:He kind of just stays out of it. Honestly, not that he's like happy with it, but he kind of just stays out of it because he he's almost kind of like that's not my place you know, I just said jordan owns a part of a nascar team now right he's actually a lot of nascar races.
Speaker 2:We have our first nascar race this weekend coming up.
Speaker 1:It's exhibition, oh, sorry, I fell asleep, my bad my bad um you just, you just don't get into it.
Speaker 2:That's what it is.
Speaker 1:There is nothing exciting about it to me.
Speaker 2:This is a little small track, older track that they're coming to, I think it's over around Raleigh, maybe for exhibition. They call it the Clash or whatever. It starts every year and then in two weeks they'll be down in Daytona. That's the ones I like. The big restrictor plate races they're all in huge packs running 200 mile an hour, crashing everywhere. I mean I'm sure they don't love the crashing, especially what those cars cost, but it's fun to watch.
Speaker 1:I just I can't get into it, I can't follow it.
Speaker 2:I know you don't know what good stuff is, I get it.
Speaker 1:No, I just watch real sports. It's different.
Speaker 2:It is racing a sport.
Speaker 1:We've talked about this a little bit. Motorsports, right, yeah, but I don't feel like motorsports falls in line with regular sports, like across the board. Yeah, it feels different. F1. These are all big racing, it's motorsports.
Speaker 2:It just doesn't feel like the same as A sport kind of feels like using your body to do the movements. Yeah, yeah, I don't know how else to know. I see what you're saying, but like they're moving, they're using their body, but they're using a car or a motorcycle or whatever it is they're on, yeah.
Speaker 1:Motorsports feels very different to me. Now that's also up for debate in a lot of sports.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of people that only recognize baseball, football, basketball as a sport. Everything else doesn't count they they consider it a game or an event. See, I still look at like tennis, volleyball, golf, I think okay. So why?
Speaker 1:why is tennis a sport, but like you're kind of on the fence with golf. What would make you say no to golf, in a way, a sport but like you're kind of on the fence with golf.
Speaker 2:What would make you say no to golf in a way? Um, it's more one person against a gazillion instead of a one-on-one match or two-on-two match or kind of that thing. I guess I feel like everything else is this team against that team, whether it's one, one or five on five or eleven on eleven so if golf switched to all match play, it was one v1 tournament style, it would feel more like it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I get where some people might say, well, it's kind of more of a game because of it's, one versus however many in a tournament.
Speaker 1:So I completely disagree with that logic. Purely on to me the way I look at it, purely on to me the way I look at it, you are using your body and your in in a skill that not everybody can have to do, something at the highest of levels.
Speaker 1:So like that's where I'm going to say, like that's a sport under that definition that that's that's where, that's where I see it, and the only reason that it differs, like with the motorsports side, is, yes, you've got to use your body to control that car, but the car is the driving force, not your body. Exactly, yes, like you're not having to pedal it.
Speaker 2:So do you see track and field of sport?
Speaker 1:So track, I say yes, some of the field, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:That's where I follow golf is kind of what you're saying Because they're still using their body to throw a shot or whatever they're doing.
Speaker 1:For me. I think it just kind of depends on the event In a way, which is kind of weird to say, but it just feels like it depends.
Speaker 2:I didn't know he was going to get into what, what?
Speaker 1:is a sport. We never know where we're going. What?
Speaker 2:about now. I want to think of something just throw something.
Speaker 1:What about darts?
Speaker 2:no, darts ain't a sport. I don't think I mean they're using their body and throwing stuff.
Speaker 1:It's a bar game like it doesn't feel like I, but I feel the same way about pool. How about cornhole?
Speaker 2:I don't think it's you know, I kind of agree with the pool.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's sport either but I don't think cornhole is either. It feels the exact same, they do feel like games more than sports exactly they like I can see that now, don't get me wrong these like I've watched cornhole on espn. Those dudes are good I see.
Speaker 2:That's where I struggle with. Where does it fit between game and sport? I can see both sides.
Speaker 1:So not saying you can do it at the highest level, but literally anyone could go throw a cornhole bag and you'd be pretty decent without really even ever playing.
Speaker 2:I think you got some golf bias here.
Speaker 1:I hear the golf, but I'm just saying if you've never played golf, go try it oh, it's much harder.
Speaker 1:People think it's easy and it's not I just so. To me it's. It's almost like there's a skill level. It takes a lot of skill to do it. It's. It's not just as simple as I'm going to go out there and hit it and I'm going to you know it it's. It's not just as simple as I'm going to go out there and hit it and I'm going to you know, do decent. Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2:We talk about how hard it is to hit a, you know, a baseball. What's different with golf and baseball? When people try to compare the two?
Speaker 1:you have a round bat correct, so it it doesn't matter so much like it matters, but the wrist angle doesn't matter exactly where your hand matters when it hits on it. Your wrist angle doesn't matter as much where your hands are pointed and that is what's.
Speaker 2:and then you, now you have a club that has to be the face of certain directions, a certain angle, everything. But now you're putting it on the ground. It's smaller. It's very hard to do Much harder than most people think.
Speaker 1:I'll throw you one other one.
Speaker 2:Boxing Status sport hard to do much harder than I'll throw you one other one. Boxing is that a sport? Um?
Speaker 1:that's a hard one, isn't it? That's a very hard one because boxing again, like I think, when people talk about hardest sports to do, it is always really high on the list because it's so technical and like, like, anybody can throw a punch. See, I don't not. Everybody can fight I don't think very different.
Speaker 2:That's a very different thing, mma, and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a sport so I feel very much the same way as racing.
Speaker 2:It is combat sport to me like motorsport, so it's kind of its own separate. But you are using your body and you're you are.
Speaker 1:But it's the only one that you are trying to then incapacitate someone Before. It's like I either got to score more points, I've got to.
Speaker 2:Haven't you seen these hits on Mahomes that they call these penalties?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the one that LeBron flopped the other night. Three guys jump next to him. He holds his head and they call foul.
Speaker 2:That's a combat sport. Lebron has been taking some shots.
Speaker 1:Oh, dear lord, and on that note, no, I'm with you.
Speaker 2:I'm with you on those. There's different categories.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I think to me it's almost like a subcategory.
Speaker 2:Ping pong? Where does that go? No shot. So tennis is a sport to you, right? You agree with that, I agree. Where does pickleball fall then?
Speaker 1:Same thing as ping pong. That's where I see it. But isn't tennis just a little smaller. They basically stole a wiffle ball to do it. So because they have a different ball, it's no longer a sport. No, it's just slightly bigger ping pong. That's how I feel about it or slightly smaller tennis. Played very different though.
Speaker 2:I'm going to call it a sport. I don't care what you say. It's a sport.
Speaker 1:You can be wrong.
Speaker 2:It's fine, I just put it on the list, it's official. Oh, so it's official, it's official 2025 official sport list.
Speaker 1:I am in control of what is a sport list here a sport list here and I'm control of the mute button, so good luck with that. Um, yeah, but that's been a lot of.
Speaker 2:I didn't think we were going there tonight, but that'll probably be a discussion you know, we always start out with notes and I'm sure I have a few things still in my notes. We didn't oh, I've got like three that I know we didn't get to it's okay, we get to a lot of stuff that was never on my notes to begin with, and that's the best stuff, so so what I will say is I did read a couple of posts, um, from our facebook, uh, this evening.
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